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Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 00:50:00 - [271] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 00:56:00 - [272] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Reilly Duvolle wrote: It seems like Riverini has touched you in a bad place. He does seem to make a lot of nullsec pubbies very angry, doesnt he? Good qualities in a journalist, I think. He is obviously doing somthing right. as for my numbers, 67 would assume theta Goons holds the entire moon poulation of Deklein, Bure Blind and Branch-. + about 10 elsewhenre. Id estimate that the CFC as a whole holds a maximum of 70 moons. The CFC controls Fade, Deklein, Pure Blind, and Branch completely (including Goonswarm within the CFC, which I have not done previously but this makes it easier to describe). Each is a technetium-rich region. As we have already discovered, your knowledge of moon mining approaches nil, so your estimates of what moon counts would be are, of course, not useful. However, we can go to the public data of Dotlan, to discover that the two regions with moon lists there (deklein and Pure Blind: fade is poorly listed and Branch essentially unlisted) both list ~30 technetium moons each. And, while I can assure you Dotlan is full of lies, its lies tend to be profitable ones: failing to register valuable moons, rather than 'fake' valuable moons. We can therefore presume that if Branch continues this pattern it too holds at least 30, and fade (a small region) holds maybe 15. So therefore, we can easily conclude your numbers are without foundation based purely on public data that I am unable to manipulate. More lies I see. According to Dotlan, Fade, Deklein, Pure Blind and Branch holds a grand total of 57 tech moons, leaving 102 in regions the CFC does NOT control. And no, even if dotlan is indeed inaccurate, those inaccuracies is not concetrated to your regions exclusively. On a macro level, I think you will find that the Dotlan inaccuracies affect the Team tech side as well as yours. When i gave my numbers I even gave you the benefit of a doubt, the real tech imbalance in your disfavour could very well be worse that I stated previously.
Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 106	Posted - 2012.02.22 00:56:00 - [273] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Fact: The CSM is supposed to be a neutral body. Your sorry ass attempts to cloud this fact is at best misinformed, at worst blantant propaganda. Fact: The Goons have consistenly pushed for changes that benefits them in game during their term in CSM 6, while largely ignoring issues that dont affect them during the same term. there are exceptions, but pretty few and more importantly, insignificant. Add the Goons history in EVE, their meta gaming traddition the last 6 years, and I think that my opinion is not entirely without merit. You can try to convice people that my arguments have been totally destructed, but I think you will find quite a lot of people with a diffrent opinion. I do not think the word fact means what you think it means. The things you call facts, most people would call opinions.
Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 106	Posted - 2012.02.22 00:57:00 - [274] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Oh I dont know. My posts seems to increase the overall quality of this thread. Imagine where it would be without me huh?. You should thank me me tinks. You do cause Weaselior to post more so I guess this is technically true.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2322	Posted - 2012.02.22 00:59:00 - [275] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 137	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:01:00 - [276] - Quote All these problems with pasing BBcode. They really need to do something about the way forums handle these things, Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:05:00 - [277] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Dotlan reports 29 tech moons for Deklein, 36 for Pure Blind. Fade is poorly scanned and Branch is not at all. I am unsure of how you managed to get the numbers you see above. Regardless, while you may be able to count, you do not appear to be able to read. Deklein: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Deklein/moons Pure Blind: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Pure_Blind/moons You may read off the total tech numbers at the bottom. pardon?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 137	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:08:00 - [278] - Quote Oh, I see, this is part of a scheme to under represent what we own, so it will not get nerfed. This forums op wasn't opsec, was it? Cause I never heard of it... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2322	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:09:00 - [279] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Weaselior wrote: Dotlan reports 29 tech moons for Deklein, 36 for Pure Blind. Fade is poorly scanned and Branch is not at all. I am unsure of how you managed to get the numbers you see above. Regardless, while you may be able to count, you do not appear to be able to read. Deklein: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Deklein/moons Pure Blind: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Pure_Blind/moons You may read off the total tech numbers at the bottom. pardon? I see, I should have provided better instructions. Click on the orange text: this is called a "hyperlink". It will ask you if you're sure you'd like to visit this site, click "yes". When at this site, scroll down to the bottom. You will see a row of text like the following: Quote: SummaryMoonscobscatittuncadvanchrplacaetechafmerprodysneothu Read off the number under "Tec", the abbreviation for technetium. For Deklein, you will find this number is 29. For Pure Blind, you will find this number is 36. This number is the amount of technetium moons Dotlan believes are in that region. I hope this was clear enough for you, please feel free to ask any further questions.
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:10:00 - [280] - Quote I'm puzzled. You see, Dotlan counts abundance levels, which have never been used in game. You have to manually count moons.
Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 107	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:11:00 - [281] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: pardon? Oh for Pete's sake, it's right at the top of the moon list. "All moon mineral informations are based on user reports (no guarante). If you want to improve the database, contact me (Wollari) ingame." (sic) Sov holding alliances are not exactly eager to divulge the details of their regions' moons. Dotlan is not an all seeing eye.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 137	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:12:00 - [282] - Quote Educating pubbies ITT? I imagine it's hard to scan them, what with bees camping all the gates, so I sympathize with the people who uploaded that data. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2322	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:13:00 - [283] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: I'm puzzled. You see, Dotlan counts abundance levels, which have never been used in game. you have to manually count moons. Ahh, I see what the problem is, my dimwitted friend. You see, Dotlan is not counting abundance levels: instead, they are counting the number of moons reporting that mineral in each system. So when it says "QPO-WI: 3", it does not mean one moon has an abundance level of three: it means that there are three different moons in that system with technetium! Feel free to verify this to your heart's content. I hope you have appreciated my taking the time to educate you in the very fundamental basics of the subject you have been opining on at length and will remember to avoid such foolish errors in the future.
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:16:00 - [284] - Quote Okay, thank you for illuminating me on this issue. I took the liberty of rerunning the numbers. Fade, Branch, Pure blind and Deklein - the area under CFC control - is listed with 76 moons. That leaves 155 tech moons in the regions not under CFC control Admittedly different numbers, but it does not change the conclusion now, does it?
Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 107	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:18:00 - [285] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: reserved aahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 137	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:22:00 - [286] - Quote This thread delivers good information. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2142	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:26:00 - [287] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Educating pubbies ITT? I imagine it's hard to scan them, what with bees camping all the gates, so I sympathize with the people who uploaded that data. Gate camps are hardly an obstacle to large-scale moon scanning. The main obstacle is time. That time investment is why accurate moon data is not divulged freely. yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7 got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Karadion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 441	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:26:00 - [288] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: reserved because I'm bad at this game There. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:28:00 - [289] - Quote Karadion wrote: Reilly Duvolle wrote: reserved because I'm bad at this game There. different numbers. same conclusion
Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 107	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:28:00 - [290] - Quote reserved
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 137	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:31:00 - [291] - Quote Andski wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Educating pubbies ITT? I imagine it's hard to scan them, what with bees camping all the gates, so I sympathize with the people who uploaded that data. Gate camps are hardly an obstacle to large-scale moon scanning. The main obstacle is time. That time investment is why accurate moon data is not divulged freely. I was tr- oh I see. It's funny because we don't actually camp everything. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:32:00 - [292] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: reserved aahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 107	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:33:00 - [293] - Quote reserved
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2143	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:33:00 - [294] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Okay, thank you for illuminating me on this issue. I took the liberty of rerunning the numbers. Fade, Branch, Pure blind and Deklein - the area under CFC control - is listed with 76 moons. That leaves 155 tech moons in the regions not under CFC control Admittedly different numbers, but it does not change the conclusion now, does it? oh hey, I'm glad we got the complete inaccuracy of Dotlan's moon data out of the way oh wait, you're still trying to prove your point with it, lmao yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7 got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:36:00 - [295] - Quote The CFC situation seems to be even worse than I previously stated, at 2:1 in your disfavor. Even counting for inaccuracies i think it is safe to say that your claim of wanting to nerf tech for the good of the game and not for the good of the Goon is doubtful indeed. not that I am surprised. I've said this all along.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2327	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:37:00 - [296] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Okay, that you for illuminating me on this issue. I took the liberty of rerunning the numbers. Fade, Branch, Pure blind and Deklein - the area under CFC control - is listed with 76 moons. That leaves 155 tech moons in the regions not under CFC control Admittedly different numbers, but it does not change the conclusion now, does it? It does, my friend. You see, you can verify from looking at the page on Branch, that dotlan has little data on Branch: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Branch/moons Only a handful (maybe 5 or so) systems of the 94 in Branch have been scanned. Therefore, we must throw out the Branch data and infer what it is likely to be: here, I have offered the low number of 30 as a reasonable guess (surely extremely reasonable as it lists 5 tech moons with so little data). Fade is better scanned, but you will find it only appears half scanned at best. So we must therefore infer what the numbers are likely to be from the numbers we have. You are also making an unsupported assumption: moons outside of demonstrable CFC control are outside CFC hands. I will not comment on this issue, of course: knowing who owns moons in non-sov space is valuble intel I will not disclose willy-nilly. But it is, of course, a completely unsupportable conclusion with the information you have that they are universally outside of CFC control. This is the sort of elementry error that makes the lack of intellectual rigor in your analysis clear, and the utter lack of faith anyone can place in it lacking a severe ideological and cognitive bias as you seek to make true opinions that were clearly based on bad information. Likewise I will not be providing you with non-public information I have gathered concerning other regions with technetium that have not made it to Dotlan, which is also highly relevant and would support your argument were I to do so if most non-CFC regions still are not on dotlan as I recall. But we can also assume that "not CFC" is not a monolithic bloc: the CFC need not own 51% of all tech moons in game to be absurdly benefited from their continued imbalance. You are free to make your own projections if you like of course, from this point: but I hope this exercise has taught you the problem with blindly asserting opinions based on facts that you have not researched - and the integrity of your analysis will of course be rather low if the analysis remains exactly the same after a wholesale revision of the underlying facts.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 137	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:45:00 - [297] - Quote Weaselior wrote: But we can also assume that "not CFC" is not a monolithic bloc: the CFC need not own 51% of all tech moons in game to be absurdly benefited from their continued imbalance. Tsk, BoB 5.0 better improve on this. Weaselior wrote: but I hope this exercise has taught you the problem with blindly asserting opinions based on facts that you have not researched - and the integrity of your analysis will of course be rather low if the analysis remains exactly the same after a wholesale revision of the underlying facts. On the EVE-O forums? Hm, with probability e, where 1>>>e>0 I do suspect though, this may be an attempt to get someone to rage and spill tons of secrets that would get them :commissar:ed. Keep fighting the good fight! Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:49:00 - [298] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Superior bullshit. Take a look at Tenal. Does it look mapped to you? What about Geminate? yep. same problem. So even if you are right about Branch, it all evens out. All the evidence presented so far squarly suggest that the CFC faces a sever imbalance in tech income. There has not been presented a single shred of evidence supporting a contray position
Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 107	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:53:00 - [299] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Weaselior wrote: Dropping science. Take a look at Tenal. Does it look mapped to you? What about Geminate? yep. same problem. So even if you are right about Branch, it all evens out Oh my god that is such a dumb thing to say I don't even know where to begin.
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 407	Posted - 2012.02.22 01:53:00 - [300] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Oh my god that is such a dumb thing to say I don't even know where to begin. nobodys forcing you

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