King of Space, The Mittani.

One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.

Nothing in the world is more pathetic than a man giving another man a verbal blowjob.

And I quote, "TheyGÇÖre not a credible voice to CCP GÇô after all, it looks like they merely wish to pad their own wallets and advance their own parochial "


Not that Mittens would ever allow such selfish, foul thoughts to sully his utilitarian mind.

Oh, **** off...

I've been tempted by one candidate that proposed focussing on conflict in EVE; across all facets of the game. A close second would be for a candidate that actually plays EVE well; and I can't help but take my hat off to The Mittani for doing that very, very well.

Nothing in the world is more pathetic than a man giving another man a verbal blowjob.

The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test.

Well then The Mittani can come tell us himself instead of sending a messenger. I care not for your words, let me hear his.

Why yes i did just read the 1st line and go straight to reply

lol why even bother posting a "Vote for Mittens" thread?

Vote Mittani in the upcoming CSM Election.

One man one goal one mission,
One heart one soul just one solution,
One flash of light yeah one god one vision

One flesh one bone,
One true religion,
One voice one hope,
One real decision,
Wowowowo gimme one vision

No wrong no right,
I'm gonna tell you there's no black and no white,
No blood no stain,
All we need is one world wide vision

Vision,
Give me your hands,
Give me your hearts,
I'm ready,
There's only one direction,
One world and one nation,
Yeah one vision

Gimme one night,
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Just gimme,
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Fried chicken

(b) you wrote a reply

Pollo, he not approve of your insubordination.

I will be voting for Hans Jagerblitzen.

The Mittani has had his run, it's time for him to step aside.

A coherent post of more than two lines using fairly solid grammar, punctuation, capitalization and paragraphs.

That's just not your style little bee.

Who'd you steal it from? Or did you get mom to write it for you?

Mr Epeen

While altposting is a time-honored tradition on eve-o, it is considered good form to be less obvious about it Lyrrashae

The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test.

Every goon is going to blindly vote for The Mittani simply because he is thier leader. Due to the small fraction of players who actually vote; having an organized minority like Goonswarm Federation, securing the chairman position on the CSM is easy. So if your not a goon, but you still like what he brings to the table, DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM! You're getting a free vote to use on someone else who wants to push the agendas you want who is not The Mittani.

If you don't comprehend this, then you should not be voting at all really.

We are not merely seeking the chairmanship for The Mittani: we are seeking a mandate. The Mittani won the chairmanship in a landslide last election, giving him the political capital to structure the CSM into a powerful political body capable of influencing CCP. We are seeking an even greater mandate this year, to break the record set last year (by Mittens) and demonstrate unequivocally that all of EVE is united behind the slogan One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.

The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test.

Hello there. IGÇÖm Weaselior. You may remember me from the Gallente Ice Interdiction, explaining in detail about how you would be murdered if you showed up in a Gallente ice belt. Today, however, I am not here to tell you I plan to murder you. Instead, IGÇÖm here to tell you about a candidate for CSM; a candidate for the Chairman of the CSM. The Mittani, King of Space, is running for re-election to the CSM and IGÇÖm here to tell you why you should vote for him.

GÇ£But Weaselior,GÇ¥ you may cry, GÇ£why would I vote for a man who wants nothing more than to drop a brutix on me? Surely what I want in a CSM candidate is a man after my own heart, who wants nothing more than to mine all day! And why should I take advice on who to vote for from a man who wants nothing more than to drop a tornado on me and then blow my pod up with a thrasher?GÇ¥ IGÇÖll tell you why: there is no candidate who values you more than The Mittani. Other candidates will make wild promises, about how they will promise you that mining will be fixed, mining bots scourged from EVE, and the like. They will also fill pages with wild screeds about how highsec will become a barren wasteland if The Mittani is allowed to have his way, painting a picture of a horrific dystopia where brutixes annihilate anyone who dares undock.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Just as the first conservationists were hunters, seeking to preserve the pristine wilderness and the animals within it, so they might from time to time stroll through that wilderness and shoot everything in sight. After all, it is rather a disappointment to wander through an empty field with enough firepower to equip a small regiment and not see even a single rabbit worth blasting to smithereens. So too, The Mittani values your health and welfare, and values the preservation of highsec as an idyllic wilderness where you can graze on veldspar to your heartGÇÖs content. Other candidates may claim they wish to improve mining, or make highsec more fun, or to scourge bots out of the belts. But really, what is their motivation to follow through? TheyGÇÖre not a credible voice to CCP GÇô after all, it looks like they merely wish to pad their own wallets and advance their own parochial interests. Nor do they have a real incentive GÇô if elected, theyGÇÖll already have gained the only thing they sought, recognition. They will not have the vision to see what could be done GÇô after all, theyGÇÖve experienced only a small slice of what EVE has to offer. Nor will they have the force of will to represent any ideas they have well: years in the asteroid belts fighting rocks that do not fight back does not produce the sort of forceful personality necessary to represent you.
How do you know The Mittani has your best interests at heart? Just like Teddy Roosevelt GÇô hunter, meat-lover, conservationist GÇô The Mittani values your continued existence. The Mittani realizes it is important to keep you, and your many friends, happily mining in belts because without you, there is no one to gank. And The Mittani values your tireless work in the belts and would like to encourage even more people to populate the belts. And, just like you, The Mittani hates the highsec mining bot. We understand your frustration when you are crowded out by bots. We too value people mining in the belts. A bot, after all, does not complain when they lose a ship. A bot will instantly warp out when ganked, avoiding having their pod cracked open like an egg. We share your desire for more profitable, more bot-free, and more fun mining: because weGÇÖd like you in the belts.
It is true that from time to time I, or The Mittani, may attempt to kill you. We may even do so repeatedly, on a massive scale. But really, this is as much in your interests as ours. Sure, the dumber people may continually wander into the interdicted ice fields with nary a concern in the world for why that rookie ship is beelining to them and where all those wrecks came from. But you, the educated highsec voter, are a cut above this common idiot. You have your day made more interesting: do you mine the forbidden ice, reaping greater profits at the risk of a tornado swooping in and making your ship vanish in a flash? Or do you kneel to the King of Space and avoid the forbidden ice? Either way, you have been given something new to react to and do.

You will hear much from candidates trying to play on your fears, to convince you to vote for them because they are the GÇ£anti-goonGÇ¥. Left unsaid, of course, will be their qualifications and what they can do for you. They think youGÇÖre a fool, that you will be willing to send them on a free trip to Iceland merely by playing on your fears, knowing youGÇÖd never consider them a worthy candidate were you to carefully mull over your options.

The Mittani may spend countless hours mulling over the best way to kill you. He may even spend sums of isk that seem unimaginable to you just for the pleasure of blowing you up en masse. But goonswarm realizes that we cannot hunt the highsec miner to extinction. We are not the shortsighted hunters who see an unending field of buffalo and hunt them to extinction: we seek to maintain the harmony of highsec, with miners fat and plentiful so that the screams as brutixes rain from the sky every so often remain the beautiful melody we have all come to love. And it is that connection, those shared interests, that make The Mittani the candidate for you.

We can rise above those petty fools who seek to divide us for their own crude gains. We can prevent unqualified idiots from playing on your fears to gain status they have no right to. We are all in this together. We can all unite behind the Chairman for Life, King of Space, The Mittani.

One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.

Vote Mittani in the upcoming CSM Election.

You are certainly living up to your name Weasel.

Sure, The Goons hold a lot of Tech, generating huge income. And yes, The Mittani wants tech nerfed.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.

Please list here an accurate count of who owns what Tech moons:
Location
Owner
Date claimed
Possible cycles run
Please divide your list into two columns - pro goons and anti goons.

If you can not do so, the claims you have made are mere posturing..

Why dont you do it yourself Toolface? Prove me wrong, I dare you.

Why dont you do it yourself Toolface? Prove me wrong, I dare you.

You are certainly living up to your name Weasel.

Sure, The Goons hold a lot of Tech, generating huge income. And yes, The Mittani wants tech nerfed.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.

We are not merely seeking the chairmanship for The Mittani: we are seeking a mandate. The Mittani won the chairmanship in a landslide last election, giving him the political capital to structure the CSM into a powerful political body capable of influencing CCP. We are seeking an even greater mandate this year, to break the record set last year (by Mittens) and demonstrate unequivocally that all of EVE is united behind the slogan One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman.

In the early days of the CSM, alliance candidates made up the bulk of representatives, as their superior organization allowed for more effective campaigns. But the alliances had essentially given up on the CSM, rolling their collective eyes as the yearly GÇÿthis time it mattersGÇÖ campaign kicked off.

Unfortunately for nullsec, CSM5 actually did matter - in all the wrong ways. With the year-long term, stakeholder status and a gaggle of bushy-tailed representatives, CSM5 and CCP prepared to tackle all sorts of issues - including the crippling failures of the Dominion system which alliance citizens must cope with daily.

hi,

we've been campaigning for a tech nerf long before our enemies ever held a substantial amount of it

even if you're right, which you're not, the motivation is irrelevant because tech IS imbalanced, moron

Got any proof, Moron?

You are certainly living up to your name Weasel.

Sure, The Goons hold a lot of Tech, generating huge income. And yes, The Mittani wants tech nerfed.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.

i'm not going to dig through pages of forum archives for you when you're the one asserting some bullshit tinfoil theory about the ~real motivation~ behind our campaign to nerf technetium

also your supposed motivation makes absolutely no sense

Nothing in the world is more pathetic than a man giving another man a verbal blowjob.

Got any proof, Moron?

I guess the burden of proof must only apply to those that question your real motivations, and not you that make these claims. Too funny.

I guess the burden of proof must only apply to those that question your real motivations, and not you that make these claims. Too funny.

My friend, I understand your affliction. Being out of the loop, not knowing what is going on in the EVE universe can be frustrating. But reading en24 is a cure worse than the disease, you wind up posting like, well, this.

Why don't you prove your initial assertion? If you do that; I'll happily dig through the forum archives for the Goons and find you the proof of Andski's statements if it exists.

But, you started out with the paranoid claims.

Now prove them.

we get it, the mean goonies touched you in a bad place and you're bitter about it

let's face it though your assertions make no sense

Ask yourselves, when you're choosing who to vote for: who do you wish to align yourself with? The Cipher Jones of the world, bitter, alone, and resentful, offering nothing but badposting when the hand of friendship is extended? Or do you wish to align yourselves with The Mittani, the King of Space, who is offering you a chance to participate in making highsec a better place to graze happily, with nary a bot to be seen?

Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.

I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.

But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth.

Bullshit. If the data is there; providing it will prove the case irrespective of your bias. I think you're just looking for a cop-out.

Well then The Mittani can come tell us himself instead of sending a messenger. I care not for your words, let me hear his.

Why yes i did just read the 1st line and go straight to reply

Actually Goons have never touched me anywhere. I never dealt with you in game. I am just sick of your god damn propaganda and metagaming at a level which are supposed to be neutral. The CSM.

You really think the Goon propaganda machine would treat my results an unbiased do you?

But Mittens has already got the chairman vote locked up. Why should I vote for him instead of someone like say, Trebor or Lyris, who might actually need the votes?

This is why I have posted this thread! We have more in common than you realize. True, given the chance, we will happily rip everything you own in-game to shreads, but that is merely a part of our nature. The other part is that we wish to make you fat and happy in the meantime, because what good is it to be a lion with no prey? We, you and I, have similar interests when it comes to the CSM and that is why we must work together.

Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.

I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.

But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth.

fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined

also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt

and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you

getting nervous allready are you?

my post clearly showed no end of anxiety from what is obviously my impending defeat to well-known good poster Reilly Duvolle, the roleplayer who has horrible sources and draws conclusions without evidence

now stop dodging my question because you look dumb, or at least admit that I cornered you

Every goon is going to blindly vote for The Mittani simply because he is thier leader.

But by all means, continue to spew misinformation and bile in your apoplectic rage.

What I see is a Goon trying to discredit any source an investigator without access to internal alliance documents from either side can use to determine fact within reason. Thus discrediting any conclusion before it is even made public.

My friend, regrettably no alliance is going to provide technetium moon data to rebut unsubstantiated allegations. Likewise, I cannot release our data, besides the public figure that Goonswarm owns 67 technetium moons. However, naturally you would be unwilling to accept any data we presented: mere lists of moons can easily be faked. We can, however, rely on the 67 technetium moon number because we've always been open about our finances. These 67 technetium moons produce over 700b isk each month.

This is a substantial amount of technetium income: we would most likely be unable to match it in any post-nerf scenario.

Moreover, the Tech moons especially in Venal, Tribute and Vale is of better quality than the ones in Deklein and Pure Blind - producing more Tech per moon.

Pardon?

Excuse me. Capable of producing more tech per moon. Not necessarly doing so.

People actually believe this.

So here's a secret. In Test, we voted on who we wanted our candidate to be. Once Dovi won, our alliance leadership recommended that everyone vote for him. But we can vote for whomever we choose.

Now, don't get me wrong. Dovi is an awesome fellow and will make a damn fine CSM member.

But I don't have to vote for him. Just like no one in GSF has to vote for Mittens.

In fact, if Dovi weren't running, I would vote for Mittens. Not out of purported mindless loyalty to the CFC or GSF in particular, but because he knows his **** and gets things done.

I realize it's hard to accept that the horrible null-sec blocs aren't just following orders like complacent sheep. It may not have even occured to you that we vote for our candidates because we like them and we support what they stand for.

But by all means, continue to spew misinformation and bile in your apoplectic rage.

It looks to me that team Tech holds over 90 Tech moons, and if you take quality into consideration their advantage over the Goons looks to be about 1,5:1.

What I see is a Goon trying to discredit any source an investigator without access to internal alliance documents from either side can use to determine fact within reason. Thus discrediting any conclusion before it is even made public.

I am just sick of your god damn propaganda and metagaming at a level which is supposed to be neutral. The CSM.

Now, you have made a rather serious allegation that some CSM candidates are using what seems like a logical solution to a current imbalance for their own benefit. This to me is very, very serious.

So, I am asking you again - what proof do you have of this? Can you please post your evidence.

Or are you trying to discredit members of the CSM for your own gain?

And while none of the members of the CFC own as many tech moons as Goonswarm, they do own more than 23 total.

masterfully placed lie there buddy lol

I provided you with numbers. Goons will do anything to discredit them, no surprise there. Dotlan has certainly been used, but verivied by other sources.

Look at it in any way you like: Team Tech currently holds more moons that CFC, and has done so for at least 9 months.

Now you can belive this or not. You can make your own investigations - or not. People will belive what they want to belive anyways.

I am done.

we don't give a **** if "Team Tech" holds more moons

Ah. Now its unimportant. I see

you are the only person in this discussion who has suggested that any side holding more moons has relevance in this discussion, oops

and thanks for totally glossing over every other point I made in that post, confirming that you are a bleating moron

won't vote for people that don't have my intrests at hard
like 0.sec dwellers that wanted high end ore's out of worm holes and have sometyhing like a worm hole stabalizer cous they can't fight without a1000 men blob

my vote goes to a worm hole dweller
so probebly two step gets my vote

Yes. I am the only one in this thread that has openly questioned your motivation for wanting to nerf tech (and supercaps). One point I made was that while a tech nerf was going to hurt the Goons, it would hurt your enemies more.

I was challenged to provide any substance to this claim. I provided substance. You yourself admit that Team Tech hold more tech than CFC.

But this only confirms that my theory can be true, not that it is true.

I dont think you want to destroy the game. As a Goon so eloquently put it on Fanfest: "The Goons are not here to destroy the game. We are here to destroy your (as in everybody elses) game"

I'll let people make their own conclusions.

Yes. I am the only one in this thread that has openly questioned your motivation for wanting to nerf tech (and supercaps). One point I made was that while a tech nerf was going to hurt the Goons, it would hurt your enemies more.

I was challenged to provide any substance to this claim. I provided substance. You yourself admit that Team Tech hold more tech than CFC.

But this only confirms that my theory can be true, not that it is true.

I dont think you want to destroy the game. As a Goon so eloquently put it on Fanfest: "The Goons are not here to destroy the game. We are here to destroy your (as in everybody elses) game"

I'll let people make their own conclusions.

the CSM delegates aligned with ~Team Tech~ support nerfing technetium - Elise stated his support for extending alchemy to tech and neo and I doubt he has retracted on his position - there is no reason for that. Same with Seleene.

your and idiot

#Learn Goon Speak, lesson 1
If (user == "Intelligent Person" && phrase == "You are an idiot")
___say<<"You're an idiot"
if (user == "Goonswarm Member" && phrase == "You are an idiot")
___say<<"your and idiot"

You're digging into the bottom of the barrel and bringing up something that Darius JOHNSON, now known as CCP Sreegs, said at some fanfest several years ago - you are really grasping at straws here.

if (userIsPubbie()) correctObviousIronicGrammaticalError();

still glossing over the one point I emphasized

baaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaa

Again, I am questioning the Goons motivation for wanting to nerf tech. It is undeniably in your best strategic interest to do so, given the current situation. That you have managed to persuade others to follow suit is all well and good. But dont tell me you do it "for the good of the game"

You do it for the good of the Goons.

the CSM delegates aligned with ~Team Tech~ support nerfing technetium - Elise stated his support for extending alchemy to tech and neo and I doubt he has retracted on his position - there is no reason for that. Same with Seleene.

Also i would like to point out that if mittens is not re-elected the colossal amount of tinfoil hat theory threads will suddenly become rarer, so in the interest of preserving the hilarity that those threads present, mittens must be re-elected!

Also its fun making people rage

To every player out there concerned with politics and preserving Eve... the slugfest witnessed over the last few pages is exactly what happens when you are dumb enough to vote goons into power. This is what every CSM meeting will be like.

Say no to goon CSM candidates. Show them the door, the gutter and then Kitty Island adventure.

Preferably in that order.

To every player out there concerned with politics and preserving Eve... the slugfest witnessed over the last few pages is exactly what happens when you are dumb enough to vote goons into power. This is what every CSM meeting will be like.

Say no to goon CSM candidates. Show them the door, the gutter and then Kitty Island adventure.

Preferably in that order.

let me try to reduce that to a syllable count suitable for your reading level:

the "team tech" CSMs support a tech nerf

I provided you with numbers. Goons will do anything to discredit them, no surprise there. Dotlan has certainly been used, but verivied by other sources.

Look at it in any way you like: Team Tech currently holds more moons that CFC, and has done so for at least 9 months.

Now you can belive this or not. You can make your own investigations - or not. People will belive what they want to belive anyways.

I am done.

Seriously. Do you really think a count of the number of moons is indicative of anything relating to corruption within the CSM?

You have provided numbers of moon ownership. That says nothing to your allegations as to the motivations of the Goons or any other group in EVE Online. It is simply a collection of numbers.

I want proof of the motivation. E.g.

Mittani said (link) here that he is seeking position on the CSM to ensure that the other alliances suffer; that is why he wants to push for these changes (link here)

Seriously. Do you really think a count of the number of moons is indicative of anything relating to corruption within the CSM?

Some tinfoil hat rubbish

"The luxury of my popularity is that I don't have to bother lying to my voters about who and what I am. You get exactly what you voted for: a manipulative sadist who makes no apologies for who or what he is. "

"I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason."

"Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not."

"I'd kind of like to see Learning Implants vanish ........ However, this isn't really a major priority for me. I might bring it over beer in Islenskibarinn, but it's not going to be a summit topic and something I expend vast amounts of political capital on, like I have on supercaps.

I think that when your in-game enemy holds more tech than you, and this makes the strategic imbalance between them worsen every month, questioning the real motivation behind the tech nerf is in order, yes.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.

That is not a question. That is a statement.

But I get annoyed when people make allegations without proof, slander people and then dance amongst the flowers as if they don't smell like ****.

Indeed it is. I am giving you my opinion. You can coose to belive it. Or not. Its up to you.

And please, keep splitting hairs. You are so very good at it.

So your opinion is that if Goons had more tech than everybody else combined they would not be advocating its nerf, but because they have less than 50% of the tech in the game they want it nerfed cause the collateral damage would be worse for the rest of eve than themselves?

Is a dual problem. Basically they faced an adverse tech situation combined with a supercap superiority they were ill prepared for. Nobody was really prepared for the effectiveness of the supercap blob the anti-NC coalition began using with umpunity from about the time of the siege of TVN-FM in may, 2011.

As I have said in another thread, Titans especially scales badly with numbers, moving from a powerful ship to an unstoppable rapetrain once you field enough of them. This became very evident late last spring, but the Goons did not have the fleet, nor the building capacity to match team Tech anytime soon. And with their worst enemies gaining most of the tech in the North, this would be impossible to rectify.

I think this is the main motivation for their actions in the CSM this year. And frankly I am surprised when non-Goons dont see it. I mean, The Mittani has after all not exactly kept it a secret that he only represents and work for his constituents (i.e. Goons)

But to answer you question directly: had the tables been reversed, with tech and supercap superiority on the Goon side last spring, you can bet that none of these issues had been very high on the CSM agenda with the Mittani as CSM Chairman.

Your response raises another question who are Tech Team? When did Tech team come into existence?

But to answer you question directly: had the tables been reversed, with tech and supercap superiority on the Goon side last spring, you can bet that none of these issues had been very high on the CSM agenda with the Mittani as CSM Chairman.

Like when we were blue to the NC and their near-monopoly on tech and massive supercapital fleet?

Yes. When you and NC were pals and ruled the North, neither Tech nor Supers was a problem, was it?

Considering that we loudly advocated nerfing both long before the NC lost the north, you're wrong on that count!

again, baaaaaa, baaaaaa

Team Tech is basically Goonswarms main opponents in the last year, Pandemic legion, Raiden, NCdot, DRF (although the last entity is now shattered in civil war). From DRF, White Noise and Legion of XDeath provided the most combat assets.

2010

The Goons vs Team Tech propaganda is so weak even those of us supposedly in Team Tech despise it.

Prove it

Your own logic argues for it. For a large portion of 2010 GSF was a deadbeat alliance in Syndicate. Of course it would be in their interest to argue that Tech needed to be nerfed - cause they had none - wait maybe they stole a moon or two off of Evoke?

At that point GSF : "Team Tech" ratios would have been about 2:180

Actually it makes more sense that they argued for the nerfing of Tech then than it does now.

Goon alt spotted

heh - the argument of the defeated deployed.

Your own logic argues for it. For a large portion of 2010 GSF was a deadbeat alliance in Syndicate. Of course it would be in their interest to argue that Tech needed to be nerfed - cause they had none - wait maybe they stole a moon or two off of Evoke?

At that point GSF : "Team Tech" ratios would have been about 2:180

Actually it makes more sense that they argued for the nerfing of Tech then than it does now.

whoa don't dis LODRA

This thread has made me want to vote against him. Why? Because I'm full of hate. I have a particular hatred to wannabe politicians. Vote against the Mingtanni, it's a vote against the system.

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This just in, courtesy of Kugu:

"IGÇÖm the only GSF candidate this time; Vile Rat is sick of Iceland. WeGÇÖre going to need a metric fuckload of votes to secure the Chairmanship and - ideally - an indisputable mandate. IGÇÖd like to see us be able to c&p a ridiculous vote total as a one-line reply to every shitbird eve-o poster whining about us for the next year".

The Mittani, State of the Goonion, Feb 20, 2012.

That'll shut me up, i'm sure

1. For what purpose did you post that here? it contributes nothing to your argument and detracts nothing from the argument of rationality.
2. It was just (less than 15 minutes ago) posted on Evenews24 feel free to acknowledge your real source.

This just in, courtesy of Kugu:

"IGÇÖm the only GSF candidate this time; Vile Rat is sick of Iceland. WeGÇÖre going to need a metric fuckload of votes to secure the Chairmanship and - ideally - an indisputable mandate. IGÇÖd like to see us be able to c&p a ridiculous vote total as a one-line reply to every shitbird eve-o poster whining about us for the next year".

The Mittani, State of the Goonion, Feb 20, 2012.

That'll shut me up, i'm sure

I can see having a rational argument with some people might be impossible.

When it comes to development of a game I pay for, meta interests are very relevant especially when it neglects certain portions of the playerbase.

Depsite that you ask for confirmation of motivations, done, but don't project judgement on me to validate your own preferences as a result. Vote for who you like of course, no problem, I will do so likewise, but don't raise certain CSM members up to be objective as an argument when clearly they are not.

So it took you longer than 2 hours and 20 posts to make the connection and then post something random about the CSM that was in the blog?

However, my core argument here has been of one of motivations attributed without proof. Reilly is; essentially, putting words into his mouth that there is no proof of. I don't like that.

Huh? I just opened it 10 minutes ago. I usually check out the "Goonswarm Federation: The Last Bastion Of True "Literature" Chat" thread, among others. I just loved that quote.

Does it actually matter?

Thread derailment is often used as a device for an individual who knows s/he has bitten off more than they can chew to sidle out without admitting their position is untenable.

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Will you be able to distance yourself from your argument, that the only reason Mittani wants the nerf of Tech is out pure self interest in the short term even though:
It has been illustrated by goons posting that it is long term proposition they have been advocating since 2010
Logic determines that it was more in their interest in 2010 than it is now yet they still persist to advocate the change
Your original argument contains no factual evidence and is simply an inference that is out of context with history.

No, you won't be able to alter the topic until you have taken your soap box back to your captain's quarters.

My position is the same.

I.e. unproven.

I.e. unproven.

Yes, as stated repeatedly Tippia, this is my opionion. Learn to ******* read.

Yes, as stated repeatedly Tippia, this is my opionion.

And he is going to continue metagaming the CSM.

Dont pin your **** posting practices on me



The only thing you prove is that they have been advocating tech nerfs when they are at a disadvantage. Which is kinda my point. you havent dug up anything from when they were at the top of the tech mountain.

My position is the same.

Even assuming that's true, what's the problem?

Are you seriously asking why a player elected body who are there to represent the playerbase dealing with CCP to the benefit of EVE Online the game, is instead used as a vehicle to further CSM members in game interests?

Things you've ignored in your opinion forming 'analysis":
Goons were advocated for the nerfing of Tech 18months before the term "Tech Team" was coined.
Goons were advocating for the nerfing of Super Capitals 18 months before the term "Tech Team" was coined.

There may be a level of self interest involved, however to argue that advocating Mittani is only out of self interest for an upcoming conflict with the "Tech Team" is pretty clearly a falsehood.

By the way when were Goons top of the Tech Pile?

I am of the opinion that his intentions are less than honest.
I am of the opinion that he works for the Goons, and only the Goons (as he have said repetadely he does).
And I am of the opinion that I can post this on the forum even if you dont like it.

Are you serious?

Are you seriously asking why a player elected body who are there to represent the playerbase dealing with CCP to the benefit of EVE Online the game, is instead used as a vehicle to further CSM members in game interests?

Because if you dont see that as a problem, you and I are definitly not playing the same game.

You are assuming that, in furthering his/their own interests, he's not representing the player base. Why is that?

So yes, what's the problem, should it even be true to begin with, especially since you admit that his interest is actually good for the game as a wholeGǪ?

But The Mittani doesnt represent the EVE Online playerbase now does he? He represents Goons. Period. He says so himself.
The CSM should be metagame free zone. I dont belive it is.

Now that is a different argument. To be blunt, in a democracy, an elected official answers to his or her constituents. If the Mittani is elected to the CSM he is not answerable to you or I - he is answerable to his constituents.

Goons were advocating nerfing tech when they had none, or was at a disadvantage versus ther enemies. After they took over Deklein with its tech, and before the **** went down with the NC, I cant see anywhere anything proving they wanted to nerf tech.

But The Mittani doesnt represent the EVE Online playerbase now does he? He represents Goons. Period. He says so himself.
The CSM should be metagame free zone. I dont belive it is.

But The Mittani doesnt represent the EVE Online playerbase now does he? He represents Goons. Period. He says so himself.

The CSM should be metagame free zone. I dont belive it is.

Instead we have in-game elections of in-game candidates representing in an OUT OF GAME body that is supposed to represent the playerbase as a whole. And which is supposed to be neutral.

Oh so while the Goons had Deklein and Morsus Mihi had Tribute and Razor had Branch and the NC High Command divided up the Tech in Venal?

The tech owned by Morsus Mihi, Razor et all was nothing to do with Goons. Goons had less tech then than they do now. Your desire to lump alliances together into powerblocs and assess their total capacity is devoid of ingame actuality.

If I am not mitstaken Jita Alt666, neither Morsus Mihi, Razor or indeed any other part of the old NC were shooting them and trying to take their stuff. I think you will find that this is a rather significant factor, when trying to assess a strategic situation.

You are assuming that, in furthering his/their own interests, he's not representing the player base. Why is that?

So yes, what's the problem, should it even be true to begin with, especially since you admit that his interest is actually good for the game as a wholeGǪ?

Guys dont worry about what Tippia says.. Its a well known fact he is a goon fanboi, and probably getting spit roasted by both mittani and vile rat at this moment.

at the Goons and their alts and/or supportes would crawl out of the woodwork to defend the great Mittani frankly didnt come as a big surprise.

The Mittani wil not do ANYTHING that doesnt benefit theGoons ingame, in his dealings with CCP.
He represents and works for Goons, and Goons only, unlike some of the other candidates.

It's about as much a Gǣwell-known factGǥ as the provably false base Reilly Duvolle's tinfoil-hattery rests onGǪ
Also, nice ad hominem. I take it you are also unable to demonstrate any kind of actual problem, seeing as how you have to go straight for the fallacies?

let me explain why you're an idiot

- you think that PL/raiden/ncdot would not simply shrug off a tech nerf considering that they have a lot of old money
- you think that there are tech moons that pump out more tech per hour than other moons
- you actually use dotlan, kugu and evenews24 as sources
- you have been called out on all of these and you do nothing but deflect

pubbies are hilarious

This still remains a fact not fallacy.

I mean for god sake you have even admitted your love for goons over and over again on the forums.

Every post against them, up pops Tippia The Troll running to their defense.

Can someone point to me where in the CSM charter it says the are supposed to be neutral?

Can you point to ANY official document stating that CCP expect the CSM to be neutral?

What makes it a fallacy is that you're trying to deflect a question about the effects of representation by appealing to some irrelevant, unconnected, assumed, and blatantly false assertion of association.

What makes it a not-actually-a-fact-at-all is thatGǪ well, it's not actually a fact at all GÇö it's something you just made up and can't prove.

Excellent. Prove it.

No. Every post against them using unsound reasoning and GÇ£factsGÇ¥ pulled from some poster's nether region, up pops me asking what those claims are based on and how on earth the argument actually holds together. It has very little to do with the Goons and quite a lot to do with my disliking apparent lack of proper argumentation.

GǪwhy it is that this kind of argumentation pops up so often in relation to the Goons is an interesting, but slightly different question.

Tippia, God of making people actually back up their BS claims

Do not even argue til you have numbers and figures ready to prove your point, you will lose.

You know what fine, I will, I am going to be happy linking every post.

Full document: http://www.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf

with specific quote:

"The key question that council members must consider before casting their vote is whether or not the issue at hand has the potential to improve or otherwise benefit the entire EVE society, and not just a select group within the community that was successful in bringing attention to their unique case. Seeing the big pictureGÇöin this case, the needs of a society with over 300.000 individualsGÇöis the primary responsibility of a CSM Representative, and reconciling that view with the interests that won them the election is the greatest challenge they will facein this implementation.

... and ...

CCP is unable to accommodate any issue considered detrimental to the collective interests of EVE , particularly if the issue(s) touch upon meta-level concerns."