To every player out there concerned with politics and preserving Eve... the slugfest witnessed over the last few pages is exactly what happens when you are dumb enough to vote goons into power. This is what every CSM meeting will be like.

Say no to goon CSM candidates. Show them the door, the gutter and then Kitty Island adventure.

Preferably in that order.

let me try to reduce that to a syllable count suitable for your reading level:

the "team tech" CSMs support a tech nerf

I provided you with numbers. Goons will do anything to discredit them, no surprise there. Dotlan has certainly been used, but verivied by other sources.

Look at it in any way you like: Team Tech currently holds more moons that CFC, and has done so for at least 9 months.

Now you can belive this or not. You can make your own investigations - or not. People will belive what they want to belive anyways.

I am done.

Seriously. Do you really think a count of the number of moons is indicative of anything relating to corruption within the CSM?

You have provided numbers of moon ownership. That says nothing to your allegations as to the motivations of the Goons or any other group in EVE Online. It is simply a collection of numbers.

I want proof of the motivation. E.g.

Mittani said (link) here that he is seeking position on the CSM to ensure that the other alliances suffer; that is why he wants to push for these changes (link here)

Seriously. Do you really think a count of the number of moons is indicative of anything relating to corruption within the CSM?

Some tinfoil hat rubbish

"The luxury of my popularity is that I don't have to bother lying to my voters about who and what I am. You get exactly what you voted for: a manipulative sadist who makes no apologies for who or what he is. "

"I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason."

"Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not."

"I'd kind of like to see Learning Implants vanish ........ However, this isn't really a major priority for me. I might bring it over beer in Islenskibarinn, but it's not going to be a summit topic and something I expend vast amounts of political capital on, like I have on supercaps.

I think that when your in-game enemy holds more tech than you, and this makes the strategic imbalance between them worsen every month, questioning the real motivation behind the tech nerf is in order, yes.

But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable.

He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day.

So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war.

Which is what you are doing here.

That is not a question. That is a statement.

But I get annoyed when people make allegations without proof, slander people and then dance amongst the flowers as if they don't smell like ****.

Indeed it is. I am giving you my opinion. You can coose to belive it. Or not. Its up to you.

And please, keep splitting hairs. You are so very good at it.

So your opinion is that if Goons had more tech than everybody else combined they would not be advocating its nerf, but because they have less than 50% of the tech in the game they want it nerfed cause the collateral damage would be worse for the rest of eve than themselves?

Is a dual problem. Basically they faced an adverse tech situation combined with a supercap superiority they were ill prepared for. Nobody was really prepared for the effectiveness of the supercap blob the anti-NC coalition began using with umpunity from about the time of the siege of TVN-FM in may, 2011.

As I have said in another thread, Titans especially scales badly with numbers, moving from a powerful ship to an unstoppable rapetrain once you field enough of them. This became very evident late last spring, but the Goons did not have the fleet, nor the building capacity to match team Tech anytime soon. And with their worst enemies gaining most of the tech in the North, this would be impossible to rectify.

I think this is the main motivation for their actions in the CSM this year. And frankly I am surprised when non-Goons dont see it. I mean, The Mittani has after all not exactly kept it a secret that he only represents and work for his constituents (i.e. Goons)

But to answer you question directly: had the tables been reversed, with tech and supercap superiority on the Goon side last spring, you can bet that none of these issues had been very high on the CSM agenda with the Mittani as CSM Chairman.

Your response raises another question who are Tech Team? When did Tech team come into existence?

But to answer you question directly: had the tables been reversed, with tech and supercap superiority on the Goon side last spring, you can bet that none of these issues had been very high on the CSM agenda with the Mittani as CSM Chairman.

Like when we were blue to the NC and their near-monopoly on tech and massive supercapital fleet?

Yes. When you and NC were pals and ruled the North, neither Tech nor Supers was a problem, was it?

Considering that we loudly advocated nerfing both long before the NC lost the north, you're wrong on that count!

again, baaaaaa, baaaaaa

Team Tech is basically Goonswarms main opponents in the last year, Pandemic legion, Raiden, NCdot, DRF (although the last entity is now shattered in civil war). From DRF, White Noise and Legion of XDeath provided the most combat assets.

2010

The Goons vs Team Tech propaganda is so weak even those of us supposedly in Team Tech despise it.

Prove it

Your own logic argues for it. For a large portion of 2010 GSF was a deadbeat alliance in Syndicate. Of course it would be in their interest to argue that Tech needed to be nerfed - cause they had none - wait maybe they stole a moon or two off of Evoke?

At that point GSF : "Team Tech" ratios would have been about 2:180

Actually it makes more sense that they argued for the nerfing of Tech then than it does now.

Goon alt spotted