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Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:51:00 -
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Why does not CCP enforce the gamechanges as the occur?
When something is removed from the game or some criteria is changed for where items etc. are allowed, why is this not retroactive making the game-mech the same for everyone?
One example is carriers in high-sec which used to be allowed but now it ain't. Technicly it is extreemly simple for CCP to move these to an area which they in fact are allowed.
So CCP, mind explaining to me using very simple language (I'm a bit dense as you might have noticed) why you don't clean up your mess? |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
294
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:55:00 -
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Yes tidy up your room CCP or there'll be no milk and cookies before bedtime, please I ask you 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Mokokan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:58:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Why does not CCP enforce the gamechanges as the occur?
When something is removed from the game or some criteria is changed for where items etc. are allowed, why is this not retroactive making the game-mech the same for everyone?
One example is carriers in high-sec which used to be allowed but now it ain't. Technicly it is extreemly simple for CCP to move these to an area which they in fact are allowed.
So CCP, mind explaining to me using very simple language (I'm a bit dense as you might have noticed) why you don't clean up your mess?
OCD much? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2606
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:59:00 -
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Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B.
/c
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Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:00:00 -
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Mokokan wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:stuff OCD much?
Troll much? |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:01:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B.
/c
I agree!
edit: minus the 100B |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
815
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:01:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Why does not CCP enforce the gamechanges as the occur?
When something is removed from the game or some criteria is changed for where items etc. are allowed, why is this not retroactive making the game-mech the same for everyone?
One example is carriers in high-sec which used to be allowed but now it ain't. Technicly it is extreemly simple for CCP to move these to an area which they in fact are allowed.
So CCP, mind explaining to me using very simple language (I'm a bit dense as you might have noticed) why you don't clean up your mess?
Seems your Norsk Testosteron or whatever is doing serious stuff to your brains my friend, I'm not sure you're the only one understanding what you just stated there, but be it, I'll give my answer and doesn't matter if my opinion is different from what you expect.
You fail to understand how high sec is rather a high risk place already with sub cap ships for the regular player, the only ones for who high sec is really safe is for gankers scamers grieffers yellow self proclaimed "pirates" (read pussies) of all sort.
Now go ahead and give those pussies more tools to make high sec even worst. By the way CCP should change starting systems from high sec 1.0 to big alliances homelands in null and the tutorial agents give missions related to said alliance, those noobs would be a lot safer and have a better game start than in that crap that is "high sec".
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Mokokan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:01:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Mokokan wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:stuff OCD much? Troll much?
Nope. Just concise.
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Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:03:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:Why does not CCP enforce the gamechanges as the occur?
When something is removed from the game or some criteria is changed for where items etc. are allowed, why is this not retroactive making the game-mech the same for everyone?
One example is carriers in high-sec which used to be allowed but now it ain't. Technicly it is extreemly simple for CCP to move these to an area which they in fact are allowed.
So CCP, mind explaining to me using very simple language (I'm a bit dense as you might have noticed) why you don't clean up your mess? Seems your Norsk Testosteron or whatever is doing serious stuff to your brains my friend, I'm not sure you're the only one understanding what you just stated there, but be it, I'll give my answer and doesn't matter if my opinion is different from what you expect. You fail to understand how high sec is rather a high risk place already with sub cap ships for the regular player, the only ones for who high sec is really safe is for gankers scamers grieffers yellow self proclaimed "pirates" (read pussies) of all sort. Now go ahead and give those pussies more tools to make high sec even worst. By the way CCP should change starting systems from high sec 1.0 to big alliances homelands in null and the tutorial agents give missions related to said alliance, those noobs would be a lot safer and have a better game start than in that crap that is "high sec".
I said move them out from hi, not reimplement them into hi. |

Mokokan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:12:00 -
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You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed?
I mean other than tidying things up?  |

Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
417
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:18:00 -
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Mokokan wrote:You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed? I mean other than tidying things up?  there are thing in EVE that he will never have, no matter how hard he tries!!!!!
(sales of high-sec capitals are forbidden) |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:20:00 -
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Mokokan wrote:You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed? I mean other than tidying things up? 
It's quite simple. You are not allowed to build carriers in hi-sec. You are not allowed to jump a carrier into hi-sec. Ergo, you are not allowed to have a carrier in hi-sec.
It's not about what's it to me and what's it to you or whatever. It's about CCP following their own god dam gameplay rules.
Move them to low-sec, they have no business in hi (not arguing but stating a point). What does that mean to you? |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:22:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Mokokan wrote:You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed? I mean other than tidying things up?  there are thing in EVE that he will never have, no matter how hard he tries!!!!! (sales of high-sec capitals are forbidden)
Learn the definition of a cap you moron.
Don't pretend you know me or my motives. |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1378
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:22:00 -
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Why even care ? What's your point ? Where do you see a mess ?
There's no need to remove them. Carriers in highsec are bound to strict rules and any violation of these rules will put them to lowsec.
There is no point in doing it. There is no need to and they actually add bonus value to where they are.
Besides, no dev/gm would ever dare to take away Chribbas VeldNaught from Amarr on purpose.
Anyway ... other examples of what you're talking about would be appreciated, because right now this topic doesn't really contain much. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
394
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:27:00 -
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Yup, sounds just like a jealousy rage thread to me.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

baltec1
652
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:28:00 -
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CCP rules say capitals cannot do missions or engage in pvp if they are in high sec.
So in short, the high sec capital relics are not breaking any rules simply by being in high sec if they were built there. |

Mokokan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:30:00 -
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I've tried to keep my replies light-hearted. I bear no malice toward you or your argument. Convince me there's a problem and I'll jump on your bandwagon.
For some reason, I find some of the illogical bits and pieces of EVE to be some of the more interesting. It shows there is a history, a flavor, ......I find character in the flaws, I guess. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
473
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:35:00 -
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CCP never added a rule that disallowed carriers in high sec. What they did was add these rules:
Carriers may not enter high sec after a specific date, Carriers may not be built in high sec after a specific date.
But they never made a rule that prohibits them from being in high sec. As there is no rule that prohibits them from existing in high sec, there is no mess to clean up. I am running for the CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=779668#post779668 |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:37:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Why even care ? What's your point ? Where do you see a mess ?
I believe in a Eve universe where the gameplay rules are the same for every paying customer and not favoured towards certain individuals or groups.
Solstice Project wrote: There's no need to remove them. Carriers in highsec are bound to strict rules and any violation of these rules will put them to lowsec.
Special rules for special people. I think you have made my point even more clear.
Solstice Project wrote: There is no point in doing it. There is no need to and they actually add bonus value to where they are.
Solstice Project wrote: Besides, no dev/gm would ever dare to take away Chribbas VeldNaught from Amarr on purpose.
EXACTLY!!!! Some players have benefits in this game and this has got to come to an end. This isn't a popularity contest, or atleast it shouldn't be. I urge you to review the OP Topic. CCP hasn't got the balls to make unpopular descicions and it's time somone puts this on the agenda. |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:38:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP never added a rule that disallowed carriers in high sec. What they did was add these rules:
Carriers may not enter high sec after a specific date, Carriers may not be built in high sec after a specific date.
But they never made a rule that prohibits them from being in high sec. As there is no rule that prohibits them from existing in high sec, there is no mess to clean up.
Technicality. We all know the meaning behind the change which was made. Don't pretend you don't. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1027
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:40:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Mokokan wrote:You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed? I mean other than tidying things up?  It's quite simple. You are not allowed to build carriers in hi-sec. You are not allowed to jump a carrier into hi-sec. Ergo, you are not allowed to have a carrier in hi-sec. It's not about what's it to me and what's it to you or whatever. It's about CCP following their own god dam gameplay rules. Move them to low-sec, they have no business in hi (not arguing but stating a point). What does that mean to you?
Learn the subtle but important difference between the phrases "not allowed" and "no longer allowed".
CCP rules state clearly that those caps are grandfathered in unless they misbehave, so they ARE following their own rules... you simply don't like those rules. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Valei Khurelem
365
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:40:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B.
/c
Just give everyone tech 2 BPO's so you don't have certain people hoarding them so they can jack up the prices.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
63
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:41:00 -
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I like how quickly you get angry\offensive with people.
Firstly, Your logic fails. You're not allowed to build caps in high sec + you're not allowed to jump caps into high sec doesn't = you're not allowed caps in high sec.
Secondly, They're not doing anything, you can't fit them for aggression and you can't sell them so they're effecively just a bragging right. So where's the hard.
Lets here your rational well constructed argument for wht T2 BPOs must be removed from the game. Taking into account that they're not respionsible for there "being no profit in T2 invention" as things like Damage Control II's used to run around 20-30mil before invention and the low profit margins have been proven time and again to be a mix of inventards not working things out, the "I R MINE IT SO R IS FREE" crew and the "right click sell, whatever" brigade.
There is always a way for you to get this though, get the isk, buy the bpos, destroy them yourself. |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:41:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Yup, sounds just like a jealousy rage thread to me.
I see that it may. Let me ask you this: What would make you stick your neck out and speak against common popular believs? |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:45:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:Mokokan wrote:You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed? I mean other than tidying things up?  It's quite simple. You are not allowed to build carriers in hi-sec. You are not allowed to jump a carrier into hi-sec. Ergo, you are not allowed to have a carrier in hi-sec. It's not about what's it to me and what's it to you or whatever. It's about CCP following their own god dam gameplay rules. Move them to low-sec, they have no business in hi (not arguing but stating a point). What does that mean to you? Learn the subtle but important difference between the phrases "not allowed" and "no longer allowed". CCP rules state clearly that those caps are grandfathered in unless they misbehave, so they ARE following their own rules... you simply don't like those rules.
Why do you think CCP changed the game?
They are not allowed in Hi, only to a handfull of special people so special that they infact require their own special rules.
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Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:48:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:I like how quickly you get angry\offensive with people.
Firstly, Your logic fails. You're not allowed to build caps in high sec + you're not allowed to jump caps into high sec doesn't = you're not allowed caps in high sec.
Secondly, They're not doing anything, you can't fit them for aggression and you can't sell them so they're effecively just a bragging right. So where's the hard.
Lets here your rational well constructed argument for wht T2 BPOs must be removed from the game. Taking into account that they're not respionsible for there "being no profit in T2 invention" as things like Damage Control II's used to run around 20-30mil before invention and the low profit margins have been proven time and again to be a mix of inventards not working things out, the "I R MINE IT SO R IS FREE" crew and the "right click sell, whatever" brigade.
There is always a way for you to get this though, get the isk, buy the bpos, destroy them yourself.
My logic is clear enough for anyone who want's to see the change for what it was.
to get one thing out of the way:
TO MAKE MY SELF CLEAR: I do not want carriers in Hi. I want them moved and never to be let in again. Now how's that for jealus rage for ya.
Why are you talking about T2 BPOs? This is off topic no? |

Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:53:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:
TO MAKE MY SELF CLEAR: I do not want carriers in Hi. I want them moved and never to be let in again.
But why? They are not allowed to do anything other than fly around or mine really. If they break the rules, then they get banned for a few weeks and the capital is moved in to lowsec. Other than the fact that you can not have your own one in Hi-sec, why should a piece of EVE history be removed from the game?
And on the 'special rules for some', well, hi-sec has its own special rules that seperate it from null-sec. Should we blend the two together, either making the entire game Hi-sec or the entire game null-sec, just because players in each may not like the way things work in the other?  |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
63
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:54:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote: Why are you talking about T2 BPOs? This is off topic no?
well.... this....
Schmacos tryne wrote:Chribba wrote:Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B.
/c I agree! edit: minus the 100B
But you're logic for removing carriers from Hi is faulty.
It's a If some herps are derps and some derps are gerps then some herps are definatly gerps.
Given that CCP have said that high sec carriers are ok and that as long as they follow rules they can stay there, they're fair game.
so, why do you want them removed from high? If one was repping something you were shooting at that counts as a hostile act and it'd get moved. If one was missioning, the same applys. Pretty much all you you can do in one is mine veld. |

TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:56:00 -
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This thread reeks of butthurt, but I cannot tell the source due to the fact carriers aren't allowed to PVP in high.
Don't tell me you're jealous of mining carriers? |

Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:59:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:
TO MAKE MY SELF CLEAR: I do not want carriers in Hi. I want them moved and never to be let in again.
But why?  They are not allowed to do anything other than fly around or mine really. If they break the rules, then they get banned for a few weeks and the capital is moved in to lowsec. Other than the fact that you can not have your own one in Hi-sec, why should a piece of EVE history be removed from the game? And on the 'special rules for some', well, hi-sec has its own special rules that seperate it from null-sec. Should we blend the two together, either making the entire game Hi-sec or the entire game null-sec, just because players in each may not like the way things work in the other? 
WHY: They should not and are not intended to be there
SPECIAL RULES: You choose to go to hi/lo/null and is gameplay mech. carriers in hi is not. |
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