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Roll Sizzle Beef 54	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:38:00 - [61] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: I believe in a Eve universe where the gameplay rules are the same for every paying customer and not favoured towards certain individuals or groups. There is no bonus to having a cap in high other than notoriety. Some people are just better than you because they have a more interesting personality. This is the problem with society now and no child left behind or no one is a loser. Because there are losers and there are people built to be trash collectors. Welcome to reality within fantasy.
Flaming Head Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:38:00 - [62] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Mokokan wrote: You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed? I mean other than tidying things up? It's quite simple. You are not allowed to build carriers in hi-sec. You are not allowed to jump a carrier into hi-sec. Ergo, you are not allowed to have a carrier in hi-sec. It's not about what's it to me and what's it to you or whatever. It's about CCP following their own god dam gameplay rules. Move them to low-sec, they have no business in hi (not arguing but stating a point). What does that mean to you? You still haven't said why this is necessary. Hi sec carriers can't be sold, used for aggression, be undocked while a friendly fleet is active in system, etc... The only adverse effect they have is causing other ships to bounce off them when they undock. At the moment your original post reads like this to the majority of visitors to this thread: 'Wah! I can't have a high sec carrier! Wah!'
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:39:00 - [63] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: Sorry, Didn't mean to ignore you, I just felt your arguments was covered elsewhere. I will however repeat myself so you can feel special too: The rules you refeer to are "special rules" which only apply to a fraction of players in the game. I am uncomfertable with special rules for special people. It's like a fricking "Whites only" sign on a park bench. The written and technicality regards to the rules are correct. However you and I both know that carriers where supposed to be removed from High but for "some" reason they are still there. I'm just saying: Why is it so hard for CCP to make proper actions and execute the changes they do in a proper way so that we and they avoid this kind of crap. That being said, I don't expect this to go anywhere but I expect CCP to understand that what they are doing is NOT COOL. MOst high sec caps were jumped out into low and 0.0 because people wanted to use them (back then, these ships were game changers in fights). CCP never removed capitals from empire in some sort of giant purge. The handfull which remained were given special rules so they would become harmless showbits. As such, the veldnought is now a tourist destination and part of EVE history as are the others. A GM mistakenly did move the veldnought into low sec the other year and the backlash from the playerbase was so large they moved it back to Amarr. Indeed the only reason Amarr has asteroid belts is because of the veldnought. These capitals are in high sec because the playerbase want them to be there. It is these rare things which makes eve so special. I understand your position, now please understand mine: My problem is not the veldnaught or whatever inert out of place ship existing in Hi-Sec. My problem is that old "mess" are still an issue. I discuss this on a principal matter. I believe that all players should have the same posibillities within Eve and today this is not the case. In order for CCP to show the playerbase that their game is operated by common and consistant rules, they need to get their hands dirty. If CCP threw out the veldnaught, then why don't the owner find a system to put it where it belongs insted? What makes him so special that he needs special rules for his particular case? Tourism??? Popular belief?? In that case, everyone should be allowed to build a carrier in 07 or lower as long as they stick to theese "rules" no?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5025	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:40:00 - [64] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: I'm just saying: Why is it so hard for CCP to make proper actions and execute the changes they do in a proper way so that we and they avoid this kind of crap. GÇªand the rest of us are saying GÇ£what crap?GÇ¥ What is this mess you keep harping on about? You're failing to explain what the actual problem is (and no, not having the GÇ£same possibilitiesGÇ¥ is not a problem, partly because people do, and partly because the possibilities afforded here are nil). Schmacos tryne wrote: No the rules was made to create special circumstances for a very few individuals allowing them to ignore major gamechange. Not really, no. They aren't allowed to ignore anything GÇö that's the part you're missing. In fact, they have to adhere to the rules very closely or they will be smacked about quite severely. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:41:00 - [65] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: I believe in a Eve universe where the gameplay rules are the same for every paying customer and not favoured towards certain individuals or groups. There is no bonus to having a cap in high other than notoriety. Some people are just better than you because they have a more interesting personality. This is the problem with society now and no child left behind or no one is a loser. Because there are losers and there are people built to be trash collectors. Welcome to reality within fantasy. Which are you? You believe you are better then someone else?
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:43:00 - [66] - Quote Flaming Head wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: Mokokan wrote: You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed? I mean other than tidying things up? It's quite simple. You are not allowed to build carriers in hi-sec. You are not allowed to jump a carrier into hi-sec. Ergo, you are not allowed to have a carrier in hi-sec. It's not about what's it to me and what's it to you or whatever. It's about CCP following their own god dam gameplay rules. Move them to low-sec, they have no business in hi (not arguing but stating a point). What does that mean to you? You still haven't said why this is necessary. Hi sec carriers can't be sold, used for aggression, be undocked while a friendly fleet is active in system, etc... The only adverse effect they have is causing other ships to bounce off them when they undock. At the moment your original post reads like this to the majority of visitors to this thread: 'Wah! I can't have a high sec carrier! Wah!' If you continued reading you'll see my motive is quite different. It is neccessary bacause I want to be able to trust CCP to make fair and thoroughly executed changes to the game in the future.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1027	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:43:00 - [67] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: I'm now contacting my government to force them to demolish any and all buildings that have been erecticed since the last building standards change. This will include all listed and historical buildings that weren't built following the current ruleing and regulations. This! You beat me to it. It must be nice to be as inexperienced in how things actually work as the OP. Eventually he'll figure it out. Quote: The rules you refeer to are "special rules" which only apply to a fraction of players in the game. I am uncomfertable with special rules for special people. It's like a fricking "Whites only" sign on a park bench. You really, REALLY need to get over yourself. Okay, lets overlook the stupidity of the comparison you just made for a moment. By your own admission it is also morally reprehensible to have special rules that protect the rights/health/safety of people with diasabilities... or special rules that ensure certain special oportunities exist for people considered to come from a disadvantaged back ground or economic situation (special grants, job/education oportunities, financial options).... the list goes on and on. Really? Big guy, it's just a game. Time to stop pretending you represent some non-existant moral high ground. (Sometimes, when the wall is in front of you, it's best to emulate Joshua.) When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Zag'mar Jurkar QC Steel Industries 11	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:43:00 - [68] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: I believe in a Eve universe where the gameplay rules are the same for every paying customer and not favoured towards certain individuals or groups. There is no bonus to having a cap in high other than notoriety. Some people are just better than you because they have a more interesting personality. This is the problem with society now and no child left behind or no one is a loser. Because there are losers and there are people built to be trash collectors. Welcome to reality within fantasy. Which are you? You believe you are better then someone else? Everyone is better than someone else, until you get to the very bottom of the bottle.
Roll Sizzle Beef 54	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:44:00 - [69] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Which are you? You believe you are better then someone else? Oh of course, and there are others better than me in turn, definitely. For instance I'm better than you at enjoying some games.
baltec1 653	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:44:00 - [70] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: I understand your position, now please understand mine: My problem is not the veldnaught or whatever inert out of place ship existing in Hi-Sec. My problem is that old "mess" are still an issue. I discuss this on a principal matter. I believe that all players should have the same posibillities within Eve and today this is not the case. In order for CCP to show the playerbase that their game is operated by common and consistant rules, they need to get their hands dirty. If CCP threw out the veldnaught, then why don't the owner find a system to put it where it belongs insted? What makes him so special that he needs special rules for his particular case? Tourism??? Popular belief?? In that case, everyone should be allowed to build a carrier in 07 or lower as long as they stick to theese "rules" no? No. Because then these things are no longer special things to visit. What exactly do these ship stop other players from doing? How are they any different to an imperial issue Amargeddon for example?

Zag'mar Jurkar QC Steel Industries 11	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:46:00 - [71] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Okay, lets overlook the stupidity of the comparison you just made for a moment. By your own admission it is also morally reprehensible to have special rules that protect the rights/health/safety of people with diasabilities... or special rules that ensure certain special oportunities exist for people considered to come from a disadvantaged back ground or economic situation (special grants, job/education oportunities, financial options).... the list goes on and on. Really? Big guy, it's just a game. Time to stop pretending you represent some non-existant moral high ground. (Sometimes, when the wall is in front of you, it's best to emulate Joshua.) Thanks to make me think of that. OP, do you think we, disabled persons, are special because we have parking close to the door ? Do you think we are specials because we have helps to make changes to our homes etc ? Do you think we are specials because people are "nicer" to us ? The point is, special rules are everywhere in our world.
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:46:00 - [72] - Quote Tippia wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: No the rules was made to create special circumstances for a very few individuals allowing them to ignore major gamechange. Not really, no. They aren't allowed to ignore anything GÇö that's the part you're missing. In fact, they have to adhere to the rules very closely or they will be smacked about quite severely. You are aware of the fact that you just repeated my statement in slightly different selection of words right? And by severely you mean "OH noes my prickpump gets expelled into low sec" right?
Jada Maroo Mysterium Astrometrics 583	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:48:00 - [73] - Quote Geez, what did that carrier in Jita do to you? Did it molest your peepee?
Ayuren Aakiwa Wyvern Operations 12	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:48:00 - [74] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Chribba wrote: Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B. /c I agree! edit: minus the 100B you sir, seem to be missing the point.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5025	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:49:00 - [75] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: You are aware of the fact that you just repeated my statement in slightly different selection of words right? So you agree, then, that it's not even remotely close to being a problem since they have to abide by the same rules as everyone else? Good, then you can stop bleating. You have consistently failed to explain what the supposed problem or mess or GÇ£crapGÇ¥ is, and now you just agreed that there is none. We already know this. Now shush. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Danfen Fenix Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance 9	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:50:00 - [76] - Quote We non "Hi-sec cap owners" are the 99%
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:54:00 - [77] - Quote Zag'mar Jurkar wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Okay, lets overlook the stupidity of the comparison you just made for a moment. By your own admission it is also morally reprehensible to have special rules that protect the rights/health/safety of people with diasabilities... or special rules that ensure certain special oportunities exist for people considered to come from a disadvantaged back ground or economic situation (special grants, job/education oportunities, financial options).... the list goes on and on. Really? Big guy, it's just a game. Time to stop pretending you represent some non-existant moral high ground. (Sometimes, when the wall is in front of you, it's best to emulate Joshua.) Thanks to make me think of that. OP, do you think we, disabled persons, are special because we have parking close to the door ? Do you think we are specials because we have helps to make changes to our homes etc ? Do you think we are specials because people are "nicer" to us ? The point is, special rules are everywhere in our world. I think (Yes you should do that in the church but anyway) that a person with disabilities or somesuch in real-life would welcome the chance to play a game where these things don't matter and there are no special considerations made. Unfortunately it's not like that and to follow up your analogy: The close parking space you talked about, it just got occupied by Donald Trumph. Yeah dumb to use OOG analogies but anyway....
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:55:00 - [78] - Quote Jada Maroo wrote: Geez, what did that carrier in Jita do to you? Did it molest your peepee? Yes mommy, my peepeee... sniff... my PEEEEEPEEEEEEE it touched my on my pEPpeE
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:55:00 - [79] - Quote Ayuren Aakiwa wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: Chribba wrote: Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B. /c I agree! edit: minus the 100B you sir, seem to be missing the point. Not really, it's reveresed, reversed irony.
Zag'mar Jurkar QC Steel Industries 11	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:56:00 - [80] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Zag'mar Jurkar wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Okay, lets overlook the stupidity of the comparison you just made for a moment. By your own admission it is also morally reprehensible to have special rules that protect the rights/health/safety of people with diasabilities... or special rules that ensure certain special oportunities exist for people considered to come from a disadvantaged back ground or economic situation (special grants, job/education oportunities, financial options).... the list goes on and on. Really? Big guy, it's just a game. Time to stop pretending you represent some non-existant moral high ground. (Sometimes, when the wall is in front of you, it's best to emulate Joshua.) Thanks to make me think of that. OP, do you think we, disabled persons, are special because we have parking close to the door ? Do you think we are specials because we have helps to make changes to our homes etc ? Do you think we are specials because people are "nicer" to us ? The point is, special rules are everywhere in our world. I think (Yes you should do that in the church but anyway) that a person with disabilities or somesuch in real-life would welcome the chance to play a game where these things don't matter and there are no special considerations made. Unfortunately it's not like that and to follow up your analogy: The close parking space you talked about, it just got occupied by Donald Trumph. Yeah dumb to use OOG analogies but anyway.... Oh yeah because it makes these people so special. You are the one making them specials. They are no more than cap pilots stuck with a useless expensive ship in hi-sec.

Ayuren Aakiwa Wyvern Operations 12	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:57:00 - [81] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Ayuren Aakiwa wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: Chribba wrote: Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B. /c I agree! edit: minus the 100B you sir, seem to be missing the point. Not really, it's reveresed, reversed irony. I don't think CCP's harsh, unforgiving spaceship (game) is intended to be even a little bit fair.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1027	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:57:00 - [82] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Zag'mar Jurkar wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Okay, lets overlook the stupidity of the comparison you just made for a moment. By your own admission it is also morally reprehensible to have special rules that protect the rights/health/safety of people with diasabilities... or special rules that ensure certain special oportunities exist for people considered to come from a disadvantaged back ground or economic situation (special grants, job/education oportunities, financial options).... the list goes on and on. Really? Big guy, it's just a game. Time to stop pretending you represent some non-existant moral high ground. (Sometimes, when the wall is in front of you, it's best to emulate Joshua.) Thanks to make me think of that. OP, do you think we, disabled persons, are special because we have parking close to the door ? Do you think we are specials because we have helps to make changes to our homes etc ? Do you think we are specials because people are "nicer" to us ? The point is, special rules are everywhere in our world. I think (Yes you should do that in the church but anyway) that a person with disabilities or somesuch in real-life would welcome the chance to play a game where these things don't matter and there are no special considerations made. Unfortunately it's not like that and to follow up your analogy: The close parking space you talked about, it just got occupied by Donald Trumph. Yeah dumb to use OOG analogies but anyway.... It didin't stop you. By the way, those "special rules" you hate are what keeps Donald from taking his parking spot... not the other way around. Any other points you'd like to make for us before you wind down? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 17:59:00 - [83] - Quote Tippia wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: You are aware of the fact that you just repeated my statement in slightly different selection of words right? So you agree, then, that it's not even remotely close to being a problem since they have to abide by the same rules as everyone else? Good, then you can stop bleating. You have consistently failed to explain what the supposed problem or mess or GÇ£crapGÇ¥ is, and now you just agreed that there is none. We already know this. Now shush. That's it? I expected more... The problem is: There are elements in this game which is not available to all players. Get rid of them and my problem is gone. Why this is a problem: It's the principal of the matter. If it's there, all players should have access to it. Simple as that.
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 18:01:00 - [84] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: It didin't stop you. By the way, those "special rules" you hate are what keeps Donald from taking his parking spot... not the other way around. Any other points you'd like to make for us before you wind down? No it didn't and I applolgize if I affended someone outside the game. It was not my intention. The special rules ingame protects Donald.
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 395	Posted - 2012.02.22 18:01:00 - [85] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Tippia wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: You are aware of the fact that you just repeated my statement in slightly different selection of words right? So you agree, then, that it's not even remotely close to being a problem since they have to abide by the same rules as everyone else? Good, then you can stop bleating. You have consistently failed to explain what the supposed problem or mess or GÇ£crapGÇ¥ is, and now you just agreed that there is none. We already know this. Now shush. That's it? I expected more... The problem is: There are elements in this game which is not available to all players. Get rid of them and my problem is gone. Why this is a problem: It's the principal of the matter. If it's there, all players should have access to it. Simple as that. Confirming the OP's "crap" is simple jealousy, a.k.a. epeen envy. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5025	Posted - 2012.02.22 18:03:00 - [86] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: That's it? I expected more... You should have made your point a bit more opaque then, so it took some time to shed a light on it. You said your point was the same as mine; my point was that they weren't ignoring any rules; your supposed issue is that they were, but since they aren't, there is no problem. Quote: The problem is: There are elements in this game which is not available to all players. Why is that a problem? Quote: Why this is a problem: It's the principal of the matter. Not enough. In fact, the whole game is built around some people having stuff others can't have. Moreover, if that's your supposed principle, why are you going after the most meaningless (non)example GÇö the one that causes absolutely no issues for anyone whatsoever? So no, again: why is it a problem? The simple fact of the matter is this: these ships are an EVE institution; they cause exactly zero problems; you are just jealous for no useful or sensible reason whatsoever. There is nothing to solve. Stop being jealous and HTFU. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
OfBalance Deep Core Mining Inc. 41	Posted - 2012.02.22 18:05:00 - [87] - Quote Chribba wrote: Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B. /c You have my sword.
Schmacos tryne Norsk Testosteron 15	Posted - 2012.02.22 18:05:00 - [88] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Confirming the OP's "crap" is simple jealousy, a.k.a. epeen envy. You are not confirming anything. I have made several statements that the solution to this particular problem is to move them to losec.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5025	Posted - 2012.02.22 18:08:00 - [89] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Confirming the OP's "crap" is simple jealousy, a.k.a. epeen envy. You are not confirming anything. I have made several statements that the solution to this particular problem is to move them to losec. GÇªwhich doesn't change the fact the GÇ£crapGÇ¥ you're referring to is simple jealousy, and that you've pretty much confirmed it yourself at this point. You are completely unable to explain what the problem is without referring to this jealousy of yours. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Ayuren Aakiwa Wyvern Operations 12	Posted - 2012.02.22 18:10:00 - [90] - Quote Schmacos tryne wrote: Tippia wrote: Schmacos tryne wrote: You are aware of the fact that you just repeated my statement in slightly different selection of words right? So you agree, then, that it's not even remotely close to being a problem since they have to abide by the same rules as everyone else? Good, then you can stop bleating. You have consistently failed to explain what the supposed problem or mess or GÇ£crapGÇ¥ is, and now you just agreed that there is none. We already know this. Now shush. That's it? I expected more... The problem is: There are elements in this game which is not available to all players. Get rid of them and my problem is gone. Why this is a problem: It's the principal of the matter. If it's there, all players should have access to it. Simple as that. This confirms that you are in fact, missing the point.



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