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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
584
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:00:00 -
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Capitals are allowed in HS as long as they were there before the change (and hence can never leave if the pilot wishes to use them in that system) and do not fit any weapons.
I see no problem here.
Also it is not for you to decide whether they should or should not be there. They are there and CCP lets them be there, therefore, they should be there. As long as they follow the rules. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1027
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:01:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:Mokokan wrote:You keep arguing a point you haven't made. Why is this a problem for you or anybody else, and why does it need to be fixed? I mean other than tidying things up? It's quite simple. You are not allowed to build carriers in hi-sec. You are not allowed to jump a carrier into hi-sec. Ergo, you are not allowed to have a carrier in hi-sec. It's not about what's it to me and what's it to you or whatever. It's about CCP following their own god dam gameplay rules. Move them to low-sec, they have no business in hi (not arguing but stating a point). What does that mean to you? Learn the subtle but important difference between the phrases "not allowed" and "no longer allowed". CCP rules state clearly that those caps are grandfathered in unless they misbehave, so they ARE following their own rules... you simply don't like those rules. Why do you think CCP changed the game? They are not allowed in Hi, only to a handfull of special people so special that they infact require their own special rules.
This was CCP's decision to make, not yours.
It would likely have been easier for them to simply move them and forget about it, but popular demand caused them to favorably consider these exceptions.
You personally may not like them, but most players (especially new ones) like seeing them around. They like the sense of history they provide, and for those who have not been beyond the borders of high sec it allows an opportunity to see them up close and personal (virtually speaking).
So, to be fair to all, why don't you run along and take a vote... then get back to us with the results. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1027
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:04:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Chribba wrote:Remove all T2 BPO's now! No compensation. Remove all moon goo now. GIve everyone 100B.
/c Just give everyone tech 2 BPO's so you don't have certain people hoarding them so they can jack up the prices.
I'm sorry... WHAT? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:04:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:But you're logic for removing carriers from Hi is faulty.
It's a If some herps are derps and some derps are gerps then some herps are definatly gerps.
Given that CCP have said that high sec carriers are ok and that as long as they follow rules they can stay there, they're fair game.
If CCP have said they are ok then why make sure they never can be built again?
It's your logic which is wrong, you just refuse to achnowledge the fact that carriers in hi-sec is unintended and that CCP has come up with a set of special rules to allow this anyway just to keep some certain people happy.
It could have been anythinng really, the point is that CCP creates different rules for different players. THIS is what I find unacceptable. You should too. |
Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:06:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote: WHY: They should not and are not intended to be there
SPECIAL RULES: You choose to go to hi/lo/null and is gameplay mech. carriers in hi is not.
But they are intended to be there, as long as they were built there before the changes. Sure, captials that have been moved there since using exploits should be put back in to low, but the original capitals have every right to be there as you do
And they chose to build their capitals in hi-sec, under gameplay mechanics that were in place at the time that allowed it. No difference. |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:06:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Capitals are allowed in HS as long as they were there before the change (and hence can never leave if the pilot wishes to use them in that system) and do not fit any weapons.
I see no problem here.
Also it is not for you to decide whether they should or should not be there. They are there and CCP lets them be there, therefore, they should be there. As long as they follow the rules.
Thisd is exactly what I'm talking about. CCP let's them stay there... WHY? |
T0RT0ISE
KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF
22
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:07:00 -
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Hey OP,
HTFU |
Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:07:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Capitals are allowed in HS as long as they were there before the change (and hence can never leave if the pilot wishes to use them in that system) and do not fit any weapons.
I see no problem here.
Also it is not for you to decide whether they should or should not be there. They are there and CCP lets them be there, therefore, they should be there. As long as they follow the rules. Thisd is exactly what I'm talking about. CCP let's them stay there... WHY?
Because it's not breaking any rules |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
584
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:08:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Capitals are allowed in HS as long as they were there before the change (and hence can never leave if the pilot wishes to use them in that system) and do not fit any weapons.
I see no problem here.
Also it is not for you to decide whether they should or should not be there. They are there and CCP lets them be there, therefore, they should be there. As long as they follow the rules. Thisd is exactly what I'm talking about. CCP let's them stay there... WHY? Because it's not breaking any rules Or even better, because as long as they follow the rules, CCP doesn't give a ****. |
baltec1
653
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:10:00 -
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I see my post was ignored. Perhaps I posted too many facts |
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Mokokan
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:10:00 -
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Well,at least your position is a little more clear. Something of a rules purist, and a guy not terribly afraid of ruffling feathers. You come off a bit thin-skinned for this stance, but ,again, you're defending your position.
Your chosen example, the carrier in HS, is perhaps not a well-chosen issue, due to it's lack of offense to pretty much anybody but you. But it does fit with your "everybody equal" concept. As you are not likely to get much traction with the carrier issue, have you considered your next step?
I see a future for you in a CSM campaign. You've taken the first step. If you have the chops, EVE is yours for the taking. You have just as much right as any other pilot to advance your causes. Have at it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1027
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:10:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote: WHY: They should not and are not intended to be there
SPECIAL RULES: You choose to go to hi/lo/null and is gameplay mech. carriers in hi is not.
But they are intended to be there, as long as they were built there before the changes. Sure, captials that have been moved there since using exploits should be put back in to low, but the original capitals have every right to be there as you do And they chose to build their capitals in hi-sec, under gameplay mechanics that were in place at the time that allowed it. No difference.
People don't care about those others either. Their existence is like a big badge that says "We got sloppy and this one slipped in by mistake. My bad, you can stay."
I'm still waiting for the OP to show us that they are allowed to stay to cater to a select few, when in fact they are allowed to stay due to popular demand.
Is that vote up yet?
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
168
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:11:00 -
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Guys, just let this die. Please.
When you're talking to a wall, it's not the wall that's the idiot. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
63
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:12:00 -
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I give up and agree with your view point
I too hate history and think that everything in the past should be ignored and have current rules applied to it |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:13:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:So, to be fair to all, why don't you run along and take a vote... then get back to us with the results.
Yeah, let's make a vote out of it.
I think you fail to see the larger picture. We are playing a game where the rules are different (not chosen by te players themselves) and most people are ok with it because some high-profiled players are fronting this.
Don't give me the crap about new players get to see one etc. They can go to lo or null if they want to see one. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
394
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:16:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yup, sounds just like a jealousy rage thread to me.
I see that it may. Let me ask you this: What would make you stick your neck out and speak against common popular believs?
A position/belief that was actually defensible.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1027
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:16:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:So, to be fair to all, why don't you run along and take a vote... then get back to us with the results. Yeah, let's make a vote out of it. I think you fail to see the larger picture. We are playing a game where the rules are different (not chosen by te players themselves) and most people are ok with it because some high-profiled players are fronting this. Don't give me the crap about new players get to see one etc. They can go to lo or null if they want to see one.
Pssst.... the rules have never been chosen by the players.
However they can influence CCP's decisions concerning the rules they create.
This is why those ships are still there.
I eagerly await the results of your vote, good luck. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
151
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:19:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote: Yeah, let's make a vote out of it.
There was one already, that's why those ships are still there. HTFU and calm your backside irritation. |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:CCP rules say capitals cannot do missions or engage in pvp if they are in high sec.
So in short, the high sec capital relics are not breaking any rules simply by being in high sec if they were built there.
Sorry, Didn't mean to ignore you, I just felt your arguments was covered elsewhere. I will however repeat myself so you can feel special too:
The rules you refeer to are "special rules" which only apply to a fraction of players in the game. I am uncomfertable with special rules for special people. It's like a fricking "Whites only" sign on a park bench.
The written and technicality regards to the rules are correct. However you and I both know that carriers where supposed to be removed from High but for "some" reason they are still there.
I'm just saying: Why is it so hard for CCP to make proper actions and execute the changes they do in a proper way so that we and they avoid this kind of crap.
That being said, I don't expect this to go anywhere but I expect CCP to understand that what they are doing is NOT COOL. |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:23:00 -
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Mokokan wrote:Well,at least your position is a little more clear. Something of a rules purist, and a guy not terribly afraid of ruffling feathers. You come off a bit thin-skinned for this stance, but ,again, you're defending your position.
Your chosen example, the carrier in HS, is perhaps not a well-chosen issue, due to it's lack of offense to pretty much anybody but you. But it does fit with your "everybody equal" concept. As you are not likely to get much traction with the carrier issue, have you considered your next step?
I see a future for you in a CSM campaign. You've taken the first step. If you have the chops, EVE is yours for the taking. You have just as much right as any other pilot to advance your causes. Have at it.
Glad there is one here who can see what I am.
I will support a CSM candidate whom shares these ideas though. I do not have the time to persue it myself and the world is probably better off |
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Zag'mar Jurkar
QC Steel Industries
11
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:25:00 -
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If they were meant to be "removed" from hi-sec they would have been removed from there, but as I see it, they just changed the rules to "prohibit" them from hi-sec, not moving them out. Some people left their cap ship there, CCP could have just moved them out if that was their intentions, but it wasn't and they made "special rules" for those willing to "sacrifice" a cap ship close to uselessness. |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:25:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:Guys, just let this die. Please.
When you're talking to a wall, it's not the wall that's the idiot.
Funny statement
But you should only let this die if you think that the game is better served with different classes of players. Regular players and Special players. Choice is yours. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
63
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:26:00 -
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I'm now contacting my government to force them to demolish any and all buildings that have been erecticed since the last building standards change.
This will include all listed and historical buildings that weren't built following the current ruleing and regulations. |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:26:00 -
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Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:If they were meant to be "removed" from hi-sec they would have been removed from there, but as I see it, they just changed the rules to "prohibit" them from hi-sec, not moving them out. Some people left their cap ship there, CCP could have just moved them out if that was their intentions, but it wasn't and they made "special rules" for those willing to "sacrifice" a cap ship close to uselessness.
What they did was lach the backbone to proper implement a change. |
Zag'mar Jurkar
QC Steel Industries
11
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:27:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:If they were meant to be "removed" from hi-sec they would have been removed from there, but as I see it, they just changed the rules to "prohibit" them from hi-sec, not moving them out. Some people left their cap ship there, CCP could have just moved them out if that was their intentions, but it wasn't and they made "special rules" for those willing to "sacrifice" a cap ship close to uselessness. What they did was lach the backbone to proper implement a change. Define "proper implementation"
If it was their intention, how was that lacking ? |
baltec1
653
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:28:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:
Sorry, Didn't mean to ignore you, I just felt your arguments was covered elsewhere. I will however repeat myself so you can feel special too:
The rules you refeer to are "special rules" which only apply to a fraction of players in the game. I am uncomfertable with special rules for special people. It's like a fricking "Whites only" sign on a park bench.
The written and technicality regards to the rules are correct. However you and I both know that carriers where supposed to be removed from High but for "some" reason they are still there.
I'm just saying: Why is it so hard for CCP to make proper actions and execute the changes they do in a proper way so that we and they avoid this kind of crap.
That being said, I don't expect this to go anywhere but I expect CCP to understand that what they are doing is NOT COOL.
MOst high sec caps were jumped out into low and 0.0 because people wanted to use them (back then, these ships were game changers in fights). CCP never removed capitals from empire in some sort of giant purge. The handfull which remained were given special rules so they would become harmless showbits.
As such, the veldnought is now a tourist destination and part of EVE history as are the others. A GM mistakenly did move the veldnought into low sec the other year and the backlash from the playerbase was so large they moved it back to Amarr. Indeed the only reason Amarr has asteroid belts is because of the veldnought. These capitals are in high sec because the playerbase want them to be there.
It is these rare things which makes eve so special. |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:28:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:I give up and agree with your view point
I too hate history and think that everything in the past should be ignored and have current rules applied to it
Your attempt on irony is lost.
You're saying you paid 15% tax in 1986 so you will always pay 15% tax? |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:31:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Schmacos tryne wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Yup, sounds just like a jealousy rage thread to me.
I see that it may. Let me ask you this: What would make you stick your neck out and speak against common popular believs? A position/belief that was actually defensible.
Defensible according to your belief. This case is according to my beliefs. You are free to ignore this thread if you disagree. However I think you'll find that my post may have some ambiguous meaning and that may worry you aswell. |
Brunmunde Hildegaard
The Green Machine
19
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:33:00 -
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ITT; Angry neckbeard is angry "Sings me a dances of wolfs, who smells fear and slays the coward. Sings me a dances of mans, who smells gold and slays his brother." |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
15
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:33:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Pssst.... the rules have never been chosen by the players. However they can influence CCP's decisions concerning the rules they create. This is why those ships are still there. I eagerly await the results of your vote, good luck.
No the rules was made to create special circumstances for a very few individuals allowing them to ignore major gamechange.
Do you see the problem in this statement? |
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