First :-)

A lot of work was put into YourEVE by everyone at CCP over the last few months

What are indies complaining about. I make a ton of isk on my indy alt doing t2 invention and other t1 production. it isnt on life support you are doing it wrong.


Also rule of acquisition #34.

War is good for profit.

P.s. Personally...I think 2012 will be the best year ever for our EVE. :')

I know I am the minority on this, and I hate to complain, but as much as a 'concentration in Space stuffs' is great for EVE Online (a spaceship oriented game) I was one of the (I suppose few?) players who were really excited for the WIS stuff. I figured when the game was refocused on the FIS content that the WIS content would still be slow trickle.

I see that this Inferno release is expanding on the CAC and possibly vanity store. I'm wondering if the WIS content is still being developed as I was very interested in:

- The booster/drug trade in bars/social rooms.
- Social minigames for when I don't have it in me to grind another Caldari mission or am waiting for a fleet to be organized through my corp/alliance.
- Space barbie.

I know while I may have been excited for these features, and may have been one of the few, was anyone else looking forward to this? And if a Dev is watching, is any of this still on the table? Does that table have a person around it by chance?

So... CCP,
Do you (will you ever) give a squat about not pew-pew players in EVE???
Industry and mining is on life support and you don't give a squat about players that like that part of game.
How much more indy ppl need to leave eve until you throw us a bone?
EVE needs at least one BIG Industry and Mining expansion.

You are building a roof without a foundations.

There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread

You mean the several expansions in a row that focused around non combat - like the PI expansion, the inclusion of a salvaging boat in the noctis, the exploration boat in the Echelon, the wormholes where u have safer nullsec ores and sleepers to kill and harvest for production.

PVP hasnt exactly been expanded on that much in recent years - especially considering the focus of EVE is fight and conquer.

CCP already said youre not getting a beter miner than a Hulk, you have industrials, freighters, jump freighters, industrial capital ship (Rorq), and a hisec mini capital ship (Orca).

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That being said, what kind of new content related to industry are you considering?



That sounds great, and I will be there, thanks for quick response!

So, for one that does not participate in any form of ship pew-pew with other players whatsoever, does 'Inferno' holds any new content at all?

EDIT: I mean something with actual depth and interactive content; new pretty graphics does not count.

So... CCP,
Do you (will you ever) give a squat about not pew-pew players in EVE???
Industry and mining is on life support and you don't give a squat about players that like that part of game.
How much more indy ppl need to leave eve until you throw us a bone?
EVE needs at least one BIG Industry and Mining expansion.

You are building a roof without a foundations.

There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread

I understand the importance of industry, and I too would like to see some improvements in that area. What I don't understand is playing a space game with other people and not wanting to fight other people. If you want to be an awesome industry leader with absurd piles of money, fighting only fights you can win, all with relative ease, go play one of the X-universe games or something.

In the real world, the people at the heads of industry are some of the most powerful in the world. However, the vast majority of people actually doing the production have lousy lives, lousy professions, are walked all over by the more powerful. In a game that tries (and does a good job) to make a simulated universe, that's how it's going to be, and to change that would break the system. Unlike the real world, however, you have the option of, with little consequence, going to the house of your enemy and shooting him in the face. Why so many people choose not to, I don't understand.

So, for one that does not participate in any form of ship pew-pew with other players whatsoever, does 'Inferno' holds any new content at all?

EDIT: I mean something with actual depth and interactive content; new pretty graphics does not count.

I noticed that while updates to Wardecs and FW are mentioned, nothing was said about the iteration to the Sov system. Is there any plans in place to take a look at and/or tweak Sov for Inferno, or is the previously discussed iterations on it going to be so drastic that they require more time to develop? The iterations or concepts I'm most interested in were moving towards a more usage dependent Sov system, smallholding, and small(er) scale Sov warfare usefulness. Any new information that can be shared on these subjects? Or at least an indication of when in the current development timeline they are intended to be looked at?

All the threads concerning changing mining to a more active style of mining have always been swarmed by the mining masses who mine while watching TV and movies or whatever. CCP wont ever change mining as it would result in another ***** fest in jita where they will do something ******** like shooting a statue ... and people will quit, etc. We've all seen the EVE Community is incapable of changing whether its for the good or not.

As for S&I like research and stuff, havent they made it easier in the last few months? Ive been on break from EVE since this past summer (still had active accounts) and havent done anything really of note to notice.

Instead of just saying 'Go read F&I' why dont you give a summary of a real suggestion (concrete) here where devs are obviously watching. I had a dev reply to me almost instantly after my post.

Edit: And CCP said something that they dropped comet/meteor mining due to issues with having solar system wide moving objects - keeping players speed with them, etc. That was a long time ago though, ill try googling the info in a few hours.

Guys,

keep in mind that there are paths in eve that you may chose, the Military is just one of them, and most of the players that join eve don't goes to PVP area and end up stopping playing, that is why there are more PVP players then Industrials

Confirming that no industrialist play Eve, and no-one is doing industry because they've all left. picardfacepalm.jpg

Industry is alive and kicking, just look at the quantity of stuff available in trade hubs. There isn't a shortage of anything that players manufacture (and people want to buy).

As for the expansion, looking forward to seeing what CCP will come out with. The wardec system and FW are in desperate need of an overhaul, not to mention the 0.0 sov system, and many things need balancing. Less teasing more info please.

True true, there was a missing word over there, The Industry is live and kicking because of the OLD players. It is realy hard to find new players buying a BPOs and having some sort of success trying to find a place in the market....

There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread

There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread

Finally, we will revealing more concrete steps in the link between EVE and DUST 514, bringing an unprecedented level of collaboration, conflict and purpose to both games living in the same EVE Universe.

I see that this Inferno release is expanding on the CAC and possibly vanity store. I'm wondering if the WIS content is still being developed as I was very interested in:

- The booster/drug trade in bars/social rooms.
- Social minigames for when I don't have it in me to grind another Caldari mission or am waiting for a fleet to be organized through my corp/alliance.- Space barbie.

Can we have the Eve Online: Inferno picture in hgh def please?

That being said, what kind of new content related to industry are you considering?

Dust 514 and the new market in scamming these guys bullets and tanks to shoot each other with

Marketing, vision, and communication seem lacking of future plans of making this game the best Sci Fi game out there going into the future. I am looking forward to Dust514 as the brand new PS3 I purchased for just that game will attest.

I also hope we get something in Fanfest about WIS roles outs. If the other post is correct there is still a small band of people working on it?

BTW, that login screen is full of win. And there's a logo on that Paladin (wink, wink).

BTW, that login screen is full of win. And there's a logo on that Paladin (wink, wink).

There are logos on all v3'ed ships that are already in-game. Do log in once in a while.

Sadly I think its an Apoc, as the Harb in the picture also has a red skin , which btw look great im glad the spaceships you spend 90% of the time looking at are looking sexier than ever. Also who would even fly a Marauder in PvP? or CCP are you hinting at Marauder boost (please jaysus be hinting at a Marauder boost. ) Lol also what a tease of a dev blog .

This isn't a paladin just a standard apoc. The harbinger looks cool with the new colors ^^

If you nerf the Drake, then I, and many others I know will likely un-sub.

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...the exploration boat in the Echelon, the wormholes where u have safer nullsec ores and sleepers to kill and harvest for production.

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Their explanation for wanting to change it made sense though.

saying your going to quit because they are wanting to change ONE ship without any sound explantion discredits yourself and just makes you look like a fool

i liked the part about concord sanctioned warfare... does this mean the introduction of a dueling system!??!?

That is THE problem.
Industry in EVE fall to the lowest branches of the EVE tree - profession for alts only.

Wait, what??!

[facepalm]

Not sure if troll? Have you ever actually been in a wormhole? Get your big ole' Hulk into one (Class 2+ only, c1s' mass-limits prevent a Hulk going through, IIRC), start mining out those constantly re-spawning (NOT!!) huge (ditto) A/B/C/O belts, and tell me how long you go before you get it urp-sploded--no, it won't tank Sleepers, and those aren't even the primary danger in worm-space--then tell me how "safe" it is.

[/facepalm]

E: Oh, and the Echelon is a novelty-ship, not an exploration-ship. We still don't have one of the latter, although it's arguably needed.

There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread

Quick question - what is "YourEVE" ?

Did I miss a feature somewhere, or is this another buzzword along the lines of "EvE is Real"....

There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread

Is Inferno the best name for the expansion? It doesn't fit the "war" theme all that well.

There is a dev blog coming tomorrow that touches on the future of avatar based gameplay, and we would appreciate a re-post of your questions tomorrow in that thread

The next few months will be spent reinvigorating Concord-sanctioned warfare, giving tools and a framework to groups who wish to take advantage of these conflicts both directly and indirectly.

Factional Warfare will also be seeing changes to make it much more relevant and fun by giving real reasons to fight for your faction.

i like this buzz word avatar based gameplay... much better then the hated word incarna and ambulation...
sounds like something i could get behind...

I lived in a wormhole. You EVE new players need to stop thinking EVE is a solo game. I gas mined and ABC mined in wormholes and its a team effort. Someone to kill the first and second set of sleepers in a grav site (afterwards they dont respawn). In a C2 WH you can kill them in an AF.

Risk comes reward. All you Indy players who want to sit in hi-sec cant complain about mining 'sucking'. Enjoy your veldspar.

First up, thanks for the feedback in this thread and some of the great comments and contributions to what you want to see us working on. It's great that we are hitting the right buttons for you with Inferno.

Picking up on a couple of themes that have been common throughout this thread so far;

Avatars
We haven't abandoned this. What we have done is scale things back so we can focus on our core game whilst we get our heads around how we make sure characters add something really meaningful to EVE. We have a team of people who are incredibly passionate about this and I know that there is a Dev Blog coming about it soon.

But what about the industrialists / explorers etc?
We have a big game and we will get around to giving players who play the game for this type of experience more focus in the future. Feedback around things like this helps us evolve our plans as we look increasingly further forwards. Keep it coming.

You're just a big tease, give me more details
Yep, just one big tease. Expect a lot more info in upcoming Dev Blogs from the guys and gals putting the real hard work into delivering Inferno. If you want to get the chance to sit down with any of us face to face and grill us for information, you can still sign up for Fanfest (yes I know it's a shameless plug but it is going to be even better than ever this year)

Remove local.

WTF is a drake, i prefer a nighthawk myself.

// obvious troll.


Seriously nefing the drake will do nothing big you will get a ton of whining but the smart players adapt. the stupid ones quit.

First up, thanks for the feedback in this thread and some of the great comments and contributions to what you want to see us working on. It's great that we are hitting the right buttons for you with Inferno.

Picking up on a couple of themes that have been common throughout this thread so far;

Avatars
We haven't abandoned this. What we have done is scale things back so we can focus on our core game whilst we get our heads around how we make sure characters add something really meaningful to EVE. We have a team of people who are incredibly passionate about this and I know that there is a Dev Blog coming about it soon.

But what about the industrialists / explorers etc?
We have a big game and we will get around to giving players who play the game for this type of experience more focus in the future. Feedback around things like this helps us evolve our plans as we look increasingly further forwards. Keep it coming.

You're just a big tease, give me more details
Yep, just one big tease. Expect a lot more info in upcoming Dev Blogs from the guys and gals putting the real hard work into delivering Inferno. If you want to get the chance to sit down with any of us face to face and grill us for information, you can still sign up for Fanfest (yes I know it's a shameless plug but it is going to be even better than ever this year)

...increasingly further forwards.

First up, thanks for the feedback in this thread and some of the great comments and contributions to what you want to see us working on. It's great that we are hitting the right buttons for you with Inferno.

Picking up on a couple of themes that have been common throughout this thread so far;

Avatars
We haven't abandoned this. What we have done is scale things back so we can focus on our core game whilst we get our heads around how we make sure characters add something really meaningful to EVE. We have a team of people who are incredibly passionate about this and I know that there is a Dev Blog coming about it soon.

But what about the industrialists / explorers etc?
We have a big game and we will get around to giving players who play the game for this type of experience more focus in the future. Feedback around things like this helps us evolve our plans as we look increasingly further forwards. Keep it coming.

You're just a big tease, give me more details
Yep, just one big tease. Expect a lot more info in upcoming Dev Blogs from the guys and gals putting the real hard work into delivering Inferno. If you want to get the chance to sit down with any of us face to face and grill us for information, you can still sign up for Fanfest (yes I know it's a shameless plug but it is going to be even better than ever this year)

Thanks for all the feedback and questions so far. I'm going to let this run a bit as there seem to be a few common themes emerging which I want to pull together and answer properly.

BTW, that login screen is full of win. And there's a logo on that Paladin (wink, wink).

It'd be nice for you to answer for the issues with the 1.2 patch instead of playing the shell game of "look, new shiny coming!"

I just went and looked again, and it's got to be at least 50 posts about the overview changes.

When you rollout a change, and the majority of the non-bug posts are issues with a change in functionality, isn't it incumbent on you, sprint or waterfall, to actually address it with your paying customers?

Save us from the cutesy YouTube videos with staff hamming it up and give us some substantive responses to real feedback on so-called "improvements".

So instead of taking a dump on the topic how about getting edumacated eh?

Oh take a hike!

It'd be nice for you to answer for the issues with the 1.2 patch instead of playing the shell game of "look, new shiny coming!"

I just went and looked again, and it's got to be at least 50 posts about the overview changes.

When you rollout a change, and the majority of the non-bug posts are issues with a change in functionality, isn't it incumbent on you, sprint or waterfall, to actually address it with your paying customers?

Save us from the cutesy YouTube videos with staff hamming it up and give us some substantive responses to real feedback on so-called "improvements".

You all screaming about Drake... one good ship in the whole race.
Whats about Minmatar??? The whole overpowered race with overpowered guns and overpowered ships???

Minmatar aren't overpowered, either.

Hello? McFly?

Very unforgiving of pilot-error?
Less tank in most cases, much less in some (Vagabond = giant interceptor, basically)?
Tracking + range needed to be taken into account whilst piloting?
Micro-management of cap + tank if you use the ships that are active shield-tanked/bonussed for same?
Can be perma-jammed by a flight of light ECM drones?

(Want me to go on? Because I can.)

Just because you don't know how to fly a ship/counter it's strengths with strengths of your own is no reason to scream it's OP, either.

Though I'm sure you will anyway.

I've been playing eve for some time - got married had a son - so group play is much less of an option for me. Dressing up, RPing and social play is a non-starter, too time consuming. Group play appears to remain your focus, but anything you can do for us solo players would be great.

Better faction war - get in get out easily (like Red V Blue)

mining fixes - changing mining to be like planetary interaction with tiered production rates for At the keys players. The afkers can keep their rates, but if you mine actively you should be able to make more.

Work on missions - give better decision options instead of having to kill all the time or afk travel

Basically there a bunch of us that have RL time issues and we can only get on and off quickly so waiting for others is impossible. That said "living in EVE", contributing to it in small ways, or just floating in space star-watching, knowing there's a LOT out there around you is very satisfying. Don't forget about us!

Minmatar aren't overpowered, either...

>war themed expansion
i like pvp but not more than i like my training times
i dont feel like risking 500m+ in implants
what do?

I'm sure Veritas and the rest of the Gridlock guys are keeping a close eye on that thread. Just in case, I will ping them now.

Oh right, hey devs any attempts to reintroduce non-consensual PvP into highsec (which I'm getting is your vaguely alluded to goal) is pointless as long as things like NPC corps and decshields are allowed to remain for people to put their industry/logistics alts in.

>war themed expansion
i like pvp but not more than i like my training times
i dont feel like risking 500m+ in implants
what do?

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That's what i am doing at the moment, btw. Sometimes i still feel funny on how the game is not going to keep playing itself while i am not there...

You forgot the best example of minmatar ships not being overpowered which was when arty became semi usable it was fitted on abaddons since you still get the same alpha as a mael but with easier fitting and far more hitpoints and a few other advantages.

Can't be bothered digging the link to the regularly updated top20 up again as nothing has really changed in the past six plus months .. well over half of all ships used/lost in PvP are Matari and they take well over half the slots of used ships on the top20 ..

But you are right of course, all is well when a 25% highly specialised (speed, rapid dps) faction accounts for that large a portion .. hybrid buff changed it a little though but was barely a dent in the overall picture.

On topic: When/where are you (CCP) going to give us all the promised info on plans for FW? I have lost track of all the deadlines of broken promises to date, the FF blue-ball last year seems to have become the modus operandi when it comes to FW as you consistently and constantly conveniently forget promises made.

Throwing us a bone is no longer on the table, we need a whole bloody cow (or whale if easier for you northerners) at this point!

In particular regarding the overview issues then we removed the ellipsis that we added for narrow columns, based on your feedback, we improved the visual indication that the overview sorting is locked (both when a combat shortcut is pressed and when the mouse is hovering above the overview window (the addition in Crucible 1.2, the combat lock was an old feature)), and we modified the behaviour so that the overview is unlocked again when the mouse stops moving for move than 1 second. These changes have all already been deployed. Finally we are now working on shortening the update wait when a new ship arrives on grid, without sacrificing the performance optimisations we did in 1.2.

We will continue to monitor your feedback and bug reports.

I'm sure Veritas and the rest of the Gridlock guys are keeping a close eye on that thread. Just in case, I will ping them now.

I appreciate you pinging them, but they are miserably poor at relating with users. As seen in Explorer's response, they have neither the inclination nor the interest to engage with users over the gameplay changes they force on us.

Not a new player.
Not an indi player.
Have lived in wormholes, so yes, I know exactly what's what in one of those: Mining in a wormhole is only useful if you use the ores for yourself--too much opportunity cost for too little gain otherwise, and oh look: POS refinery-arrays are unaffected by skills, so you lose like 25% of what you mine.

I've also lived in sov-null. Mining the high-ends out there--assuming your alliance isn't totally fail, in which case, they don't deserve their space, and will lose it sooner or later--is a Hell of a lot safer than and more profitable than wormhole mining ever was, is, or will be. And wormhole life plus the needs thereof are exactly as they should be.

Post with your main, stop being a supercilious douche, and stop insulting our intelligence.

Pathetic little 1337-wannabe.

Next!

E: Oh, is that your main, then? Well, no matter: You forum-trolls all look/sound the same to me.

I've been playing eve for some time - got married had a son - so group play is much less of an option for me. Dressing up, RPing and social play is a non-starter, too time consuming. Group play appears to remain your focus, but anything you can do for us solo players would be great.

Better faction war - get in get out easily (like Red V Blue)

mining fixes - changing mining to be like planetary interaction with tiered production rates for At the keys players. The afkers can keep their rates, but if you mine actively you should be able to make more.

Work on missions - give better decision options instead of having to kill all the time or afk travel

Basically there a bunch of us that have RL time issues and we can only get on and off quickly so waiting for others is impossible. That said "living in EVE", contributing to it in small ways, or just floating in space star-watching, knowing there's a LOT out there around you is very satisfying. Don't forget about us!

Verifying that we were pinged and that indeed we have been working on the issues that cropped up in Crucible 1.2 (we released 1.2.1 as well as 4 client updates to address the issues reported) and that we are continuing to work on those that remain.

In particular regarding the overview issues then we removed the ellipsis that we added for narrow columns, based on your feedback, we improved the visual indication that the overview sorting is locked (both when a combat shortcut is pressed and when the mouse is hovering above the overview window (the addition in Crucible 1.2, the combat lock was an old feature)), and we modified the behaviour so that the overview is unlocked again when the mouse stops moving for move than 1 second. These changes have all already been deployed. Finally we are now working on shortening the update wait when a new ship arrives on grid, without sacrificing the performance optimisations we did in 1.2.

We will continue to monitor your feedback and bug reports.

Let me say it again. If the system has people logging out for a week it is WRONG..

For someone who has done so much - you sure are complaining about things that work as intended.

You know... a little tact wouldn't kill you if your intent is to effect change. Whether or not your gripe is valid, if you wrote to me in that way I'd be totally uninterested in talking to you at all, let alone addressing any grievance you might have. I guess it's a good thing I don't work for CCP. You would be a lousy negotiator.

Please add the ability to join the pirate and minor factions. Even with out territory to fight over, there are people that will sign up.

This isn't a negotiation. I and others have been waiting a week for a dev response, but these guys want to blow us off, when they aren't ignoring us altogether.

Why do I need tact? I didn't screw up the overview. I'm not the one ignoring clients. I'm not the one posting empty PR spin to legitimate gameplay issues.

I don't complain a lot about Eve. I like this game. These guys screwed up something that affects my gameplay, and the gameplay of others. I am trying to get it fixed. I should be lauded as a hero, not criticized for the aesthetics of my posts, particular when I am near my wits end.

IRL if someone treated their clients the way the CCP devs treat us, they would be bankrupt. It's not how business is done.

So... CCP,
Do you (will you ever) give a squat about not pew-pew players in EVE???
Industry and mining is on life support and you don't give a squat about players that like that part of game.
How much more indy ppl need to leave eve until you throw us a bone?
EVE needs at least one BIG Industry and Mining expansion.

You are building a roof without a foundations.

IRL if someone treated their clients the way the CCP devs treat us, they would be bankrupt. It's not how business is done.

True true, there was a missing word over there, The Industry is live and kicking because of the OLD players. It is realy hard to find new players buying a BPOs and having some sort of success trying to find a place in the market....

Verifying that we were pinged and that indeed we have been working on the issues that cropped up in Crucible 1.2 (we released 1.2.1 as well as 4 client updates to address the issues reported) and that we are continuing to work on those that remain.

In particular regarding the overview issues then we removed the ellipsis that we added for narrow columns, based on your feedback, we improved the visual indication that the overview sorting is locked (both when a combat shortcut is pressed and when the mouse is hovering above the overview window (the addition in Crucible 1.2, the combat lock was an old feature)), and we modified the behaviour so that the overview is unlocked again when the mouse stops moving for move than 1 second. These changes have all already been deployed. Finally we are now working on shortening the update wait when a new ship arrives on grid, without sacrificing the performance optimisations we did in 1.2.

We will continue to monitor your feedback and bug reports.

Time to sum up what has become a giant tease of a blog.

I want a new destroyer for all races.
-Tier 2 or 3 nothing fancy just a new hulls to add to the smallest class.
-balance as you see fit.
-can wait all year to get it but I want them

So... CCP,
Do you (will you ever) give a squat about not pew-pew players in EVE???
Industry and mining is on life support and you don't give a squat about players that like that part of game.
How much more indy ppl need to leave eve until you throw us a bone?
EVE needs at least one BIG Industry and Mining expansion.

You are building a roof without a foundations.