Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan

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Another "I walk into a trap repeatedly on my own accord and it is everyone elses fault" thread! Yay forums \o/

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Thats not very fair.

I followed all the help and info on this forum.

I ran a passive tank i alligned to the station, and still this bloody ship warps right on top of me locks me webs and scrams me then blows me to the 4 winds. Then the cheeky bugger asked if i like the "fire works" and types Allah in local. Not funny and not the sort of PAYING game i wish to play i think.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan

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Another "I walk into a trap repeatedly on my own accord and it is everyone elses fault" thread! Yay forums \o/

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Thats not very fair.

I followed all the help and info on this forum.

I ran a passive tank i alligned to the station, and still this bloody ship warps right on top of me locks me webs and scrams me then blows me to the 4 winds. Then the cheeky bugger asked if i like the "fire works" and types Allah in local. Not funny and not the sort of PAYING game i wish to play i think.

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If a BATTLESHIP had time to lock/scram you, you had plenty of time to warp out, praticularly if you were aligned. Losing multiple ships in the space of 45 minutes only points to your stupidity.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Ummm, did you even read the stuff he posted in local? I lost 1 ship, he then proceded to blow more up that belonged to other people. There were mining ships everywhere. There were over 80-90 ships in local, mining ships were going everywhere when he warped in. So no im not stupid.

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

Some people will argue and give varoius countermeasure/excuses. But the fact of the matter is that to counter suicide tactics, you have to play their game, or not play at all.

CCP have done much to improve one aspect of the game while letting the other slide, and in the universal arms race of bigger and better ships and weapons Concord, and other measures to protect these other playstyles have been largely ignored.



CCP has already it admitted it must do something to protect the gameplay of these players, but instead of just buffing concord something else must be done to deter attackers.

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Originally by: Reza Pluss

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Ummm, did you even read the stuff he posted in local? I lost 1 ship, he then proceded to blow more up that belonged to other people. There were mining ships everywhere. There were over 80-90 ships in local, mining ships were going everywhere when he warped in. So no im not stupid.

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Let's get this straight. You were in high security space, correct? He blew you up with no response from CONCORD? You did not agress him or otherwise gave him kill rights on your ship?


I know you've written that before, but I wanted to explicitly ask those questions. If you answer yes to all three, then petition CCP for reimbursement of your ship.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Please for the love of god CCP .. these dam goons are blowing up everything in site.

Not just techII but now techI as well. This has gone far beyond a joke that you build a game that a single lamer can lock down a system and just keep killing miners.

Where the hell go these goons get all there ships from?

Now they have moved to posting kill mails in local, its sickening.


Victim: Nyvette
Alliance: NONE
Corp: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 11222

Involved parties:

Name: Thorn Rocket / Guristas
Damage Done: 6381

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Rokh
Weapon: Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Damage Done: 4841


Victim: baclbc
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic University
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 3375

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 3375


Victim: Lemant
Alliance: The Cool Kids Club
Corp: The Deceptikhanz
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 2836

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.5
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 1496



This is no joke any more, i mean they just keep coming out in new ships and doing it over and over again. For gods sake at least make them station bound for 2 hours or something, this crap happened in the sapce of about 45 minutes, its not funny, this is griefing, and CCP should not support it.

This Crush Boss guy and others like him/her are nothing but jerks (im being nice here).

CCP you realy need to do something NOW, PLEASE.

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Originally by: Letrange

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"how do they warp in on me"

doh!, I'm a carebare and I can work that one out:

step 1 get in a cov-ops (or recon).
step 2 warp to a belt at 100 (outside all roid range usualy) under cloak.
step 3 spot miner or go to step 2 again.
step 4 avoiding roids and other obstructions get nice and close to your target while making sure your have a clear line of flight to warp away.
step 5 tell suicide gang mate to warp to your position.
step 6 warp or stroll away BEFORE the suicide ganker gets there so you dont' get de-cloaked by his warp in.
step 7 look for the screams of anguish in local then go back to step 2 until you run out of suicide gankers.

If they are doing this they can be sure to always warp in to the right distance from you for what they are using. Done right you'd never see the cov-ops/recon. Just because you operate solo doesn't mean they do.

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Originally by: InSession

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Well maybe someone should build a add on for this game that everytime one of these goon comes into system a bloody huge alarm bell and klaxons go off, with 80 to 100 people in local its hard to spot 1 or 2 gonns sneaking into system.


How the hell do they like warp straight on top of me anyway?

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Maybe you should leave the NPC corp, create your own and set GOONS to -10 and watch local.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Please for the love of god CCP .. these dam goons are blowing up everything in site.

Not just techII but now techI as well. This has gone far beyond a joke that you build a game that a single lamer can lock down a system and just keep killing miners.

Where the hell go these goons get all there ships from?

Now they have moved to posting kill mails in local, its sickening.


Victim: Nyvette
Alliance: NONE
Corp: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 11222

Involved parties:

Name: Thorn Rocket / Guristas
Damage Done: 6381

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Rokh
Weapon: Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Damage Done: 4841


Victim: baclbc
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic University
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 3375

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 3375


Victim: Lemant
Alliance: The Cool Kids Club
Corp: The Deceptikhanz
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 2836

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.5
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 1496



This is no joke any more, i mean they just keep coming out in new ships and doing it over and over again. For gods sake at least make them station bound for 2 hours or something, this crap happened in the sapce of about 45 minutes, its not funny, this is griefing, and CCP should not support it.

This Crush Boss guy and others like him/her are nothing but jerks (im being nice here).

CCP you realy need to do something NOW, PLEASE.

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Originally by: Thargat

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They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

Some people will argue and give varoius countermeasure/excuses. But the fact of the matter is that to counter suicide tactics, you have to play their game, or not play at all.

CCP have done much to improve one aspect of the game while letting the other slide, and in the universal arms race of bigger and better ships and weapons Concord, and other measures to protect these other playstyles have been largely ignored.



CCP has already it admitted it must do something to protect the gameplay of these players, but instead of just buffing concord something else must be done to deter attackers.

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Originally by: Nhi'Khuna

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Again, we're making assumptions that beginning players are going to naturally understand the intricacies of recon/intel ops and higher functioning operations. Most MMOs just aren't constructed in this way (applauds CCP for creating a game that forces people to do this).

I refer folks to my previous post on this thread... There is something to be said for making it a little easier on the nubbins folks, they are the future of Eve dare I say.

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Originally by: ghost st

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

Some people will argue and give varoius countermeasure/excuses. But the fact of the matter is that to counter suicide tactics, you have to play their game, or not play at all.

CCP have done much to improve one aspect of the game while letting the other slide, and in the universal arms race of bigger and better ships and weapons Concord, and other measures to protect these other playstyles have been largely ignored.



CCP has already it admitted it must do something to protect the gameplay of these players, but instead of just buffing concord something else must be done to deter attackers.

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

You wouldn't like it if i made you mine in a hulk for 6 hours a day, just as these players don't like it if you force them to play the way you want them to.

Mining/trading are part of what make eve great, because those are the aspects casual players can get into without having to spend too many hours per week on.

If CCP allows this behavior to continue to escalate it will only be bad for eve as a whole.

STOP IGNORING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I agree. CCP should give Goons some kind of thanks - perhaps a small monument like the Burn Eden one? - for reminding all players that YOU ARE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE, NOR IS IT INTENDED THAT YOU SHOULD BE.


Goons: I salute you!

(I also thank you for raising mineral prices, thus putting ISK in to my wallet. hah!)

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Originally by: Luh Windan

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

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I *really* don't get this particular brand of crying. This game has a mental learning curve - the vets have been here for years - but guess what? There is a slow rate of attrition as they have been there, done that or dislike the changes or whatever. There will come a time - in *years* when you have that many SP and that many ISK and are whinging about how great Trinity 1.1 was and why did they ever remove local and do you remember when there was only T2 & how T3 totally spoilt everything etc. etc.

If you could be as good as the old guys from day one - then the game would be way to easy and why would any of the people here be playing it?

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Originally by: Luh Windan

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I agree. CCP should give Goons some kind of thanks - perhaps a small monument like the Burn Eden one? - for reminding all players that YOU ARE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE, NOR IS IT INTENDED THAT YOU SHOULD BE.


Goons: I salute you!

(I also thank you for raising mineral prices, thus putting ISK in to my wallet. hah!)

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Heh heh - I vote for a giant floating (station size) image of the Goon CEO in space in Jita,

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Originally by: ghost st

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

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Originally by: AleRiperKilt

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

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That's why I am piling up T1 barges, related modules and BPOs in Junsoraert (or whatever, the one next to Aclan). My alt will have retriever skills by Friday and then the fun starts: every suicide will earn me 1 mil with insurance payout. If they don't suicide me I will make 10 mil/hr drilling ice anyways

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Originally by: AleRiperKilt

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

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That's why I am piling up T1 barges, related modules and BPOs in Junsoraert (or whatever, the one next to Aclan). My alt will have retriever skills by Friday and then the fun starts: every suicide will earn me 1 mil with insurance payout. If they don't suicide me I will make 10 mil/hr drilling ice anyways

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Originally by: Sar Prius

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Kartoon, your offer of Minmitar space is fine, but my POS uses Amaar space ice, Helium Isotopes. Mining in Minmitar space would do me no good.

Please consider rescinding your troops from ice belts.

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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Originally by: ghost st

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

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This is not a everyone runs around doing whatever they want without challenge or consequences type game. You can't be free from the effects of other players' actions. None of us is. Just the fact that you ever thought you were proves that Goons are doing the game a favor with this thing.

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Originally by: ghost st

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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Originally by: ghost st

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

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This is not a everyone runs around doing whatever they want without challenge or consequences type game. You can't be free from the effects of other players' actions. None of us is. Just the fact that you ever thought you were proves that Goons are doing the game a favor with this thing.

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This inst a game where you should be able to force someone to adapt your play style either

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