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File Slievugh
28 Disciples and a Kangaroo
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Posted - 2008.03.19 22:48:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Concord shouldn't pay insurance to those who continually get ganked, clearly they're not a very responsible party to their contract.
Concord shouldn't pay insurance to those who continually gank, clearly they're not a very responsible party to their contract.
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Kyra Felann
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 22:51:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Kyra Felann on 19/03/2008 22:55:24
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Placename HERE
and types Allah in local.
Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.
Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.
Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.
I find it offensive, but the opposite way. The "lol we're suicide bombers like real-world jihadists! lol" is what I find offensive when real people are killed every day by those psychos. I bet if I were to start a ****-themed corp/alliance and went around doing the same thing, but in the name of racial purity and genocide or whatever wouldn't be able to get away with it (not that I would want to). Modern day Jihadists are just as bad as ****s, IMO and are just as offensive as a ****Swarm would be.
I don't have a problem with what GoonSwarm is doing, I just have a problem with the theme. If they want to blow up every miner they see, ok have fun, but why the glorification of an intolerant, violent mindset like jihadism?
EDIT: See what I mean? The censored word is the shortened term for the National Socialist Party that was dominant in Germany in the 1930s-40s. That word is censored, but "jihad" is totally ok and non offensive?
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.03.19 22:56:00 -
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Quote:
* The unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.
* The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.
* The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person.
You want that to be the definition of griefing? Okie dokie.
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* The unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.
1. This is not an unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic. Person attacks someone in hi sec, person gets popped by concord. No abuse of the game mechanic.
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* The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.
2. The victim can exact retribution. It's called kill rights. I have them for a recent suicide gank, and even if I don't get anything back for it, I want to go out and exact them because I know they'll be sitting there in their suicide gank fit, which can totally not stop my gank-fitted BS, especially since their friends can't fire back.
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* The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person.
What is "negatively impacting" about this? If it's "killing another ship" then ****, go find another game, because that's what EVE is all about. And don't say "It's killing someone who doesn't want to be killed" because that is rubbish. Ideally, nobody ever wants to be killed really, doesnt mean it won't happen though
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Koza Dranaya
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:12:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
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1. This is not an unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic. Person attacks someone in hi sec, person gets popped by concord. No abuse of the game mechanic.
Could someone answer me about SS of the suicider? I do think Concord not only destroys your ship, but also hits your SS up to -12,5% (for podding).
Reading older posts about macrofarmers killing I always thought that one kill of 5-6 barges together with their pods drops you down to very low blinky red.
Now I see, i.e. karttoon killed, among other ships, 22 pods March 19th only, and still has SS -1.9 or so, enough to continue hisec suiciding. Someone could clear this for me? As currently it looks like some exploit.
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Mia Sinqsu
Death Core Ops
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:16:00 -
[155]
Originally by: stunna13
Originally by: karttoon
http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message
You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.
i hope the whole allah being the only god thing a joke... i think it is... but not sure... 
If its not a joke they are bringing real world religion and politics into Eve, which shouldn't be acceptable. We don't need Islamic terrorists flying around Eve in my opinion. Turns my stomach. Officially, the GMs will not do anything about it.
The only benefit I see on the killboards in what they are doing are popping the asian sweat shop mining ISK sellers. That is a good thing.
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dragon mouth
Invictusgaming inc
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: dragon mouth on 19/03/2008 23:30:54
I have to agree with many posters here im discussed that saying things for example we are just like real life sucide bombers and using the islamic terms for game play is discusting in the least and adhorrent to many pople.
Things like this need to be stamped out as there are enough innocent people being killed by these terrorists in real life and gaming is an escape from real life tentions.
Im sorry if goonswarm dont like that but it is discusting that this is allowed to go on for so long and if it was really looked into im sure that many of the player could be taken to court for religious encitment.
CCP do need to make it clear if they are going to allow this relgious blasphamy and encitment to continue, and if they do im sure someone some where will be forced to take legal action against them in some form as has been done before in the gaming world.
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Mia Sinqsu
Death Core Ops
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:30:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Edited by: Kyra Felann on 19/03/2008 22:55:24
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Placename HERE
and types Allah in local.
Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.
Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.
Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.
I find it offensive, but the opposite way. The "lol we're suicide bombers like real-world jihadists! lol" is what I find offensive when real people are killed every day by those psychos. I bet if I were to start a ****-themed corp/alliance and went around doing the same thing, but in the name of racial purity and genocide or whatever wouldn't be able to get away with it (not that I would want to). Modern day Jihadists are just as bad as ****s, IMO and are just as offensive as a ****Swarm would be.
I don't have a problem with what GoonSwarm is doing, I just have a problem with the theme. If they want to blow up every miner they see, ok have fun, but why the glorification of an intolerant, violent mindset like jihadism?
EDIT: See what I mean? The censored word is the shortened term for the National Socialist Party that was dominant in Germany in the 1930s-40s. That word is censored, but "jihad" is totally ok and non offensive?
I agree.
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Kyra Felann
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:33:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Mia Sinqsu
If its not a joke they are bringing real world religion and politics into Eve, which shouldn't be acceptable. We don't need Islamic terrorists flying around Eve in my opinion. Turns my stomach. Officially, the GMs will not do anything about it.
The only benefit I see on the killboards in what they are doing are popping the asian sweat shop mining ISK sellers. That is a good thing.
I agree. What they're doing is fine. Bringing real-world issues like suicide-bombing and terrorism into the game (seemingly just to offend) is not cool, IMO. If you want to play terrorists aligned with in-game groups and going along with in-game backstory (Minmatar freedom fighters, etc), that's fine. But playing terrorists aligned with real-world groups that have killed thousands of real people and kill more every day in the name of their religion is not needed in the game.
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RC Denton
Machine Spirits
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:35:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Mia Sinqsu
If its not a joke they are bringing real world religion and politics into Eve, which shouldn't be acceptable. We don't need Islamic terrorists flying around Eve in my opinion. Turns my stomach. Officially, the GMs will not do anything about it.
The only benefit I see on the killboards in what they are doing are popping the asian sweat shop mining ISK sellers. That is a good thing.
I agree. What they're doing is fine. Bringing real-world issues like suicide-bombing and terrorism into the game (seemingly just to offend) is not cool, IMO. If you want to play terrorists aligned with in-game groups and going along with in-game backstory (Minmatar freedom fighters, etc), that's fine. But playing terrorists aligned with real-world groups that have killed thousands of real people and kill more every day in the name of their religion is not needed in the game.
That's why I think the best counter to this would be to turn them in to the office of homeland security as suspected cyber terrorists who are setting up training grounds in the EVE online game.
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Marthai
Moonvine Industrial Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:35:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Mia Sinqsu
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Edited by: Kyra Felann on 19/03/2008 22:55:24
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Placename HERE
and types Allah in local.
Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.
Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.
Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.
I find it offensive, but the opposite way. The "lol we're suicide bombers like real-world jihadists! lol" is what I find offensive when real people are killed every day by those psychos. I bet if I were to start a ****-themed corp/alliance and went around doing the same thing, but in the name of racial purity and genocide or whatever wouldn't be able to get away with it (not that I would want to). Modern day Jihadists are just as bad as ****s, IMO and are just as offensive as a ****Swarm would be.
I don't have a problem with what GoonSwarm is doing, I just have a problem with the theme. If they want to blow up every miner they see, ok have fun, but why the glorification of an intolerant, violent mindset like jihadism?
EDIT: See what I mean? The censored word is the shortened term for the National Socialist Party that was dominant in Germany in the 1930s-40s. That word is censored, but "jihad" is totally ok and non offensive?
I agree.
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dragon mouth
Invictusgaming inc
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:44:00 -
[161]
Edited by: dragon mouth on 19/03/2008 23:46:03
Originally by: RC Denton
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Mia Sinqsu
If its not a joke they are bringing real world religion and politics into Eve, which shouldn't be acceptable. We don't need Islamic terrorists flying around Eve in my opinion. Turns my stomach. Officially, the GMs will not do anything about it.
The only benefit I see on the killboards in what they are doing are popping the asian sweat shop mining ISK sellers. That is a good thing.
I agree 100% with this statment and CCP needs to take astand before it escelates much further and real life agancys get involved.
This is really the way i can see this form of action going if im honest, Someone will take offence at the context of the goonswarms religious overtones.
I honestly do not think that CCP want it to go this way but i can see it happening and eveyone who supports goonswarm actions taken in the name of real life religious terrorists needs to think again.
Yes im fed up hearing about jihad1s ect and the religuos overtones they are making in game and here i have family that have been killed in the name of religion and i have very good friends in the gulf ect being ex military and i do get angry at these terms being banded about like this in the name of fun and in the world of gaming.
HOw many of these goons are American and remember 911 that was a jihad adn look what happened there. Im sorry for bringing that into this but that is how much it dscusted me that CCP are allowing these player to get away with these tones in a game that is great to play.
CCP do not let these idiots destroy eve and believe me they could if it is allowed to escelate much further with the terms they are using and the adhorent things they are ssying to there victims.
I agree. What they're doing is fine. Bringing real-world issues like suicide-bombing and terrorism into the game (seemingly just to offend) is not cool, IMO. If you want to play terrorists aligned with in-game groups and going along with in-game backstory (Minmatar freedom fighters, etc), that's fine. But playing terrorists aligned with real-world groups that have killed thousands of real people and kill more every day in the name of their religion is not needed in the game.
That's why I think the best counter to this would be to turn them in to the office of homeland security as suspected cyber terrorists who are setting up training grounds in the EVE online game.
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Karlemgne
Flying Under the Influence
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.03.19 23:57:00 -
[162]
I would encourage you to petition anyone and everyone who posts offensively in local. This includes the spamming of local with gibberish, the spaming of local with kill mails to harass the victim, and especially offensive references to race, sexual orientation, or religion
Karlemgne
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Forando
Interstellar Cowards
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Posted - 2008.03.20 00:01:00 -
[163]
I'm not a big fan of what we have come to expect from the Goons. But this **** makes me smile!
I have no idea what motives there are for blowing up miners in Empire, but if it continues people will have to adapt (I hope we get to this point, these whines are starting to get boring!)
Now, when I say adapt.. I was thinking.. With the game mechanics in Empire there is hardly a way to defend miners unless you have a war-dec against the aggressors. Alternative, move your mining to low-sec and team up with, or hire, some security forces for your mining operations.
Both these solution encourages PvP, more social interaction in the community and possible more people in low-sec, and as a bonus pops a lot of macro-miners. For these points, I simply can't complain about what's going on at the moment.
I hope when a change in this happens, it's from the player-base and not from change in game mechanics.
Keep on popping Bruce Banner and his family!
Enjoy, and fly safe..
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NightF0x
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.03.20 00:34:00 -
[164]
You know...I haven't heard any of the asteroids on the forums complaining that the miners are ganking them. About time for some payback. 
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Morcam
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 00:41:00 -
[165]
Meh, it's part of the game. Personally, I think the goons have taken it a bit far, but since I don't usually fly a hulk anyways, they don't bother me. However, I'm still for the "No insurance for getting conkordokkened." However, it drives mineral prices up = more isk for me! :D
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Cori4n
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.20 00:54:00 -
[166]
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Eve would not be Eve if the PvP were consentual. Actually, I take that back. Everyone in Eve consents to PvP when they undock. Simple as that. You don't like it? Suck it up, or leave.
But, my mining alt who started in space and never docked or undocked... he got ganked too!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.03.20 01:41:00 -
[167]
When mining always have an associate/alt go there and shoot at you in a noob ship to draw Concord, they'll then watch over you for the mining op. A perfect legit way to remedy goons.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 01:45:00 -
[168]
Well, this won't effect me as
1. I have a full gistii deadspace tank on my Hulk
2. I have 3 accounts and I use one to mine, one to haul and one is a full PvP alt that is 100% combat and leadership skills so he can sit in a Harbinger or Absolution with a Mining Link running for guarding and boosting my yields. And becasue of this Jihadswarm shenanigans he now runs remote shield reppers while I mine too.
But I pay $45 a month for this luxery. We should not require all miners to have to run 3 accounts just to play the way they want...
I mine because I can do my work while I do it (I'm a teacher and I prepare lesson plans while I mine) and it funds my other endevours in industry and missioning and PvP.
That my style of play and its just pretty stupid for the Goons to attack people because of this rediculous reason. IMO
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Noxzema Jacson
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.20 01:45:00 -
[169]
You must be stupid cause you've been playing long enough too know CCP isn't going to do anything. Griefers force their victims to rebuild which takes time. Time equals money for CCP..DUH! Besides if they actually ever enforced the griefer rule they'd loose 50% or more of their user base. |
Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 01:49:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Placename HERE
Come on people dont any of you guys care?
This is supposed to be a game, to have fun, not to get blown the hell up at ever turn. I followed all the "DONT GET GANKED" ruules and STILL get blown up.
We need CCP to help us miners.
you miss that THEY are having fun. So its achievign the game goal of having fun. If you are safe then THEY wont have fun. Why you worht more than they?
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If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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File Slievugh
28 Disciples and a Kangaroo
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Posted - 2008.03.20 01:55:00 -
[171]
In real-life if a gang acted like this happen in my neighborhood, even if they were having fun, I would call the authorities to deal with it.
Obviously what lacks here is authority. But CCP is NOT responsible for establishing authority ingame.
What should be made available is some entity (call it the CONCORD Bureau of Investigation) that could persecute those who take this actions.
It should not be possible to tank this CONCORD SWAT unit. Period. CONCORD SWAT should have a "Focus Doomsday Device" pill to flush down gankers throat.
And docking should not be authorized for the ganker to rest, unless you dock in 0.0. Thus enabling this gank squads to rest for 15 minutes, before striking again.
Also, a list of former/common gankers should be made available through Local Chat filters. There should be filters like: All, At War, Good Ratings, Bad Ratings, and... Gankers.
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Insurance Risk
Duragon Pioneer Group
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:59:00 -
[172]
Originally by: RC Denton
That's why I think the best counter to this would be to turn them in to the office of homeland security as suspected cyber terrorists who are setting up training grounds in the EVE online game.
That's a great use of resources that could be used to track down real terrorists who kill real people with real bombs in real life.
You're almost as bad as the guy who got mad and said that if goons had any balls they would go to Iraq and blow up real americans.
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:07:00 -
[173]
With this useful and insightful thread I have taken some steps to see how long it would take for a gang ship to gank my Hulk. I found that in 0.7 space where I mine, a gank BC has plenty of time to take out my Gistii fitted Hulk.
So I took one posters advice and I got an alt in a noob ship and shot at my Hulk. CONCORD is now sitting next to me as I mine and can respond in quick enough time to take out an offender. That and my Harbinger still has that remote repper always going on me too.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:15:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
you miss that THEY are having fun. So its achievign the game goal of having fun. If you are safe then THEY wont have fun. Why you worht more than they?
His fun is not more worth than their fun. The difference is that they can redirect their fun to somewhere where it does not intrude on his fun, whereas the only way for him to displace is fun is to find it outside the game.
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Cailais
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:21:00 -
[175]
OP is blatantly a Goon Alt.
Amusing enough though. 6 out of 10 for effort - must try harder.
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Drachtul Tun'Dull
Stair Fall
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:25:00 -
[176]
Good for them. The history of Eve is on their side. The game favors those who dare cross boundaries that others see as impenetrable walls.
The idea that a single lamer can "lock down a system and just keep killing miners" indicates that either the miners were not paying attention (Which often = dead in Eve) or refused to remove themselves from the belts for some reason when he came in. Ultimately, we all play the same game, and the rules are set by those unafraid to **** off others.
There's virtually nothing in Eve that can be classified as griefing. You undock, you are a target. That is a part of Eve. You can be scammed, you can be suicided, your corp can be infiltrated and your communal assets stolen, your miner can be repeatedly bumped out of the belt if another wishes to mine there instead, your mission can be invaded.
None of these things are inevitable, except that they will happen to someone, somewhere. Situational awareness is a big part of Eve. You don't have to swim as fast as the shark, just faster than they poor guy next to you.
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Dramund
Atonement Arms
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:27:00 -
[177]
Word is bond if I see one more of this same thread I am going to set the world on fire
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Jimmie Zissou
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:35:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Nhi'Khuna
Originally by: Placename HERE
I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?
Alot of you posters think its funny ? your no better than the goons.
I think my time in eve is fading fast, yes and you can say the "can i have your stuff" but i cant see you doing much with friggen space dust cuz thats all i got left 
I have to speak up and agree with him on this one. The community in Eve is -brutal- for new players. One of the reason why Empire space and CONCORD was created was to provide a safe grounds in which these new players could flourish while they prep to go out into lowsec or 0.0.
Understand I'm writing from the perspective of a hardcore PVPer and semi-retired pirate. It's already difficult for our indy counterparts to make a decent living. between highsec gate camp gankings and now mining op busts in high sector space, it's making it difficult for anyone who is starting out to get into the game.
Why does this matter to you, the cynical, jaded and oh so l33t eve player? Your (our) game survives on the influx of new players. The economics of CCP's financial wellbeing depends on a constant uprise of players logged in and playing the game. If the learning curve is admittedly brutal, pvp harsh and now high sec offers very little by way of security for our young pups, it's all the more incentive for them NOT to continue to play.
Again, don't get me wrong, I LOVE that Eve is as harsh and unforgiving an environment as it is. I LOVE the fact that if you lose pvping it burns. But for the beginning player it can make or break their decision as to whether they would stay and keep playing.
The counter-argument to this, of course, is that goon brings brand spanking new newbs into 0.0 from day 1, and I applaud that initiative! The problem to this is that not every alliance/corporation is going to have the wherewithall or infrastructure to provide their newbs with the much needed support of being in an 'end game' environment right from the get go.
It's kind of like being a pirate. As a pirate I left the newbs alone. What sense was there in ganking a poor 4 day old fella? I wasn't proving my combat prowess but rather being the playground bully punching the new guy in the nose cause he looked funny and didn't know what the term 'onboard scanner' meant... Get my point?
I must second what is said here -- New players are really what is going to keep this game alive and instead of the usual "OMG STFU and just leave already!!"
I am going to say imho -- insurance payout need to not go to the gankers and to the miners who are finding themselves in the sights of goon
Find a BS flying mission runner in high sec and compensate him or her for protection. make it worth their time.
You never know you may just make a friend or two ingame
just my 0.02$
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File Slievugh
28 Disciples and a Kangaroo
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:36:00 -
[179]
Let's get something straight the whole suicide gankings happens not because of someone being a pirate and having the balls to do it or because someone feels suicidal and wants to cleanse their homeworld.
It's all about the PROFIT. Remove that million profit and I doubt that these ganks continue.
To avoid that you should have a self-destruction module that could be fitted to the ship (don't ask me about CPU/Powergrid/Slot) that would thereby destroy your modules, thus sending those Gist-X modules into oblivion.
That way EVERYONE looses.
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Kingwood
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:41:00 -
[180]
I find the terms "God", "Jesus", and "Crusade" offensive too. Please do not bring them into this game. Christianity was responsible for mass murder in the dark ages. I am incredibly offended by anyone using these terms, and will petition it in the future.
And hey, for those needing some education:
Allah = God
Jesus = Muhammed
Jihad = Crusade
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