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and CCP should not support it.

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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan

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Another "I walk into a trap repeatedly on my own accord and it is everyone elses fault" thread! Yay forums \o/

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Come on people dont any of you guys care?

This is supposed to be a game, to have fun, not to get blown the hell up at ever turn. I followed all the "DONT GET GANKED" ruules and STILL get blown up.

We need CCP to help us miners.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Come on people dont any of you guys care?

This is supposed to be a game, to have fun, not to get blown the hell up at ever turn. I followed all the "DONT GET GANKED" ruules and STILL get blown up.

We need CCP to help us miners.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Not funny

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Originally by: Zifrian

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Wait, were you in low sec? I don't understand the problem if you were.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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How the hell do they like warp straight on top of me anyway?

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Well maybe someone should build a add on for this game that everytime one of these goon comes into system a bloody huge alarm bell and klaxons go off, with 80 to 100 people in local its hard to spot 1 or 2 gonns sneaking into system.

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How the hell do they like warp straight on top of me anyway?

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Originally by: Aprudena Gist

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move to mimatar space and you will be free of our cleansing

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Well maybe someone should build a add on for this game that everytime one of these goon comes into system a bloody huge alarm bell and klaxons go off, with 80 to 100 people in local its hard to spot 1 or 2 gonns sneaking into system.


How the hell do they like warp straight on top of me anyway?

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Well maybe someone should build a add on for this game that everytime one of these goon comes into system a bloody huge alarm bell and klaxons go off, with 80 to 100 people in local its hard to spot 1 or 2 gonns sneaking into system.


How the hell do they like warp straight on top of me anyway?

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Come on people dont any of you guys care?

This is supposed to be a game, to have fun, not to get blown the hell up at ever turn. I followed all the "DONT GET GANKED" ruules and STILL get blown up.

We need CCP to help us miners.

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Originally by: Asestorian

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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How the hell do they like warp straight on top of me anyway?

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Probably because they have covert ops ships cloaked going around systems looking for victims. The gank ships can just warp to the covert ops. Either that or you're a moron and just sit on top of the warp-in point.

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kills me then warps away

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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kills me then warps away

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You sure he did not get killed by concord ?
If not then you are right, and they're doing something CCP actually does not allow.

However, as long as he dies it's fine. In the mean time this may all end very well or very bad. CCP will either care and nuke/reduce insurance or they will not and alot of the "I want a pvp flag button" crowd will go away.

Either way I win.

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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What, are you role playing here? were you dropped on your head at birth ? Allah indeed, that is what you little side welp yelled in local after he blew up my ship, what the hell is wrong with you people, guys like you and crush boss and who ever else do this sort of childish act are nothing but navel lint, yea thats right nothing. I hope mommy takes your credit cards for being bad jihads.

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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What, are you role playing here? were you dropped on your head at birth ? Allah indeed, that is what you little side welp yelled in local after he blew up my ship, what the hell is wrong with you people, guys like you and crush boss and who ever else do this sort of childish act are nothing but navel lint, yea thats right nothing. I hope mommy takes your credit cards for being bad jihads.

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Originally by: Bob Socko

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You know, in the time it took you to pound this out, you could have been prepping for a trip to Minmatar space. You know, the safe space, where members of the swarm won't blow you up.

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Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin

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OP: An interesting point. I feel that you should post on the forums regarding this matter.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin

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OP: An interesting point. I feel that you should post on the forums regarding this matter.

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i dont understand your post, did you leave something out ? post what point? that he cheats and cuz he warps away from concord ?

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Bob Socko

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You know, in the time it took you to pound this out, you could have been prepping for a trip to Minmatar space. You know, the safe space, where members of the swarm won't blow you up.

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Wait, wut? I thought you guys wanted the miners out in 0.0?

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Bob Socko

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You know, in the time it took you to pound this out, you could have been prepping for a trip to Minmatar space. You know, the safe space, where members of the swarm won't blow you up.

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Wait, wut? I thought you guys wanted the miners out in 0.0?

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Originally by: Aprudena Gist

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Originally by: Bish Ounen

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Originally by: Bob Socko

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You know, in the time it took you to pound this out, you could have been prepping for a trip to Minmatar space. You know, the safe space, where members of the swarm won't blow you up.

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Wait, wut? I thought you guys wanted the miners out in 0.0?

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mining in minmatar space is fine because it is unclean so head there if you want to be safe.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

Alot of you posters think its funny ? your no better than the goons.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin

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OP: An interesting point. I feel that you should post on the forums regarding this matter.

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i dont understand your post, did you leave something out ? post what point? that he cheats and cuz he warps away from concord ?

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Originally by: Doc Fury

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To the OP:

Vote with your feet and stop giving your money to CCP. When you quit, explain very politely why you are leaving. Posting here won't get you any official response, and the EVE community is not typically very supportive regarding such matters.

You can be sure that poor game mechanics like the current insurance system that still pays off for intentionally getting Concordokkened will be exploited right up until the minute it gets changed, and it won't get changed until enough people get fed up and leave or everyone starts filing petitions.

If you are going to continue to play as things are now, you are going to have to plan better and EXPECT this to happen every time you undock.

Thank you for some respect. Its players like yourself that can put a smile back on a face :)

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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This thread was obviously posted by a goon.

I mean cmon, if you actually READ the post, it's just a pro-goon troll.

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Originally by: Skyr

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Gathering the herds of sheep in minmatar space is just the prerequisite for pushing them into low-sec/0.0.

Once enough miners are in minmatar space, Goons will blockade minmatar-gallente passage and blow up anybody trying to move exhumers back while concentrating all firepower on miners in minnie regions to force them into low sec and beyond.

That will be even more fun than this.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

Alot of you posters think its funny ? your no better than the goons.

I think my time in eve is fading fast, yes and you can say the "can i have your stuff" but i cant see you doing much with friggen space dust cuz thats all i got left

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Come on people dont any of you guys care?

This is supposed to be a game, to have fun, not to get blown the hell up at ever turn. I followed all the "DONT GET GANKED" ruules and STILL get blown up.

We need CCP to help us miners.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan

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Another "I walk into a trap repeatedly on my own accord and it is everyone elses fault" thread! Yay forums \o/

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Thats not very fair.

I followed all the help and info on this forum.

I ran a passive tank i alligned to the station, and still this bloody ship warps right on top of me locks me webs and scrams me then blows me to the 4 winds. Then the cheeky bugger asked if i like the "fire works" and types Allah in local. Not funny and not the sort of PAYING game i wish to play i think.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan

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Another "I walk into a trap repeatedly on my own accord and it is everyone elses fault" thread! Yay forums \o/

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Thats not very fair.

I followed all the help and info on this forum.

I ran a passive tank i alligned to the station, and still this bloody ship warps right on top of me locks me webs and scrams me then blows me to the 4 winds. Then the cheeky bugger asked if i like the "fire works" and types Allah in local. Not funny and not the sort of PAYING game i wish to play i think.

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If a BATTLESHIP had time to lock/scram you, you had plenty of time to warp out, praticularly if you were aligned. Losing multiple ships in the space of 45 minutes only points to your stupidity.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Ummm, did you even read the stuff he posted in local? I lost 1 ship, he then proceded to blow more up that belonged to other people. There were mining ships everywhere. There were over 80-90 ships in local, mining ships were going everywhere when he warped in. So no im not stupid.

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

Some people will argue and give varoius countermeasure/excuses. But the fact of the matter is that to counter suicide tactics, you have to play their game, or not play at all.

CCP have done much to improve one aspect of the game while letting the other slide, and in the universal arms race of bigger and better ships and weapons Concord, and other measures to protect these other playstyles have been largely ignored.



CCP has already it admitted it must do something to protect the gameplay of these players, but instead of just buffing concord something else must be done to deter attackers.

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Originally by: Reza Pluss

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Ummm, did you even read the stuff he posted in local? I lost 1 ship, he then proceded to blow more up that belonged to other people. There were mining ships everywhere. There were over 80-90 ships in local, mining ships were going everywhere when he warped in. So no im not stupid.

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Let's get this straight. You were in high security space, correct? He blew you up with no response from CONCORD? You did not agress him or otherwise gave him kill rights on your ship?


I know you've written that before, but I wanted to explicitly ask those questions. If you answer yes to all three, then petition CCP for reimbursement of your ship.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Please for the love of god CCP .. these dam goons are blowing up everything in site.

Not just techII but now techI as well. This has gone far beyond a joke that you build a game that a single lamer can lock down a system and just keep killing miners.

Where the hell go these goons get all there ships from?

Now they have moved to posting kill mails in local, its sickening.


Victim: Nyvette
Alliance: NONE
Corp: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 11222

Involved parties:

Name: Thorn Rocket / Guristas
Damage Done: 6381

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Rokh
Weapon: Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Damage Done: 4841


Victim: baclbc
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic University
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 3375

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 3375


Victim: Lemant
Alliance: The Cool Kids Club
Corp: The Deceptikhanz
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 2836

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.5
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 1496



This is no joke any more, i mean they just keep coming out in new ships and doing it over and over again. For gods sake at least make them station bound for 2 hours or something, this crap happened in the sapce of about 45 minutes, its not funny, this is griefing, and CCP should not support it.

This Crush Boss guy and others like him/her are nothing but jerks (im being nice here).

CCP you realy need to do something NOW, PLEASE.

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Originally by: Letrange

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"how do they warp in on me"

doh!, I'm a carebare and I can work that one out:

step 1 get in a cov-ops (or recon).
step 2 warp to a belt at 100 (outside all roid range usualy) under cloak.
step 3 spot miner or go to step 2 again.
step 4 avoiding roids and other obstructions get nice and close to your target while making sure your have a clear line of flight to warp away.
step 5 tell suicide gang mate to warp to your position.
step 6 warp or stroll away BEFORE the suicide ganker gets there so you dont' get de-cloaked by his warp in.
step 7 look for the screams of anguish in local then go back to step 2 until you run out of suicide gankers.

If they are doing this they can be sure to always warp in to the right distance from you for what they are using. Done right you'd never see the cov-ops/recon. Just because you operate solo doesn't mean they do.

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Originally by: InSession

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Well maybe someone should build a add on for this game that everytime one of these goon comes into system a bloody huge alarm bell and klaxons go off, with 80 to 100 people in local its hard to spot 1 or 2 gonns sneaking into system.


How the hell do they like warp straight on top of me anyway?

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Maybe you should leave the NPC corp, create your own and set GOONS to -10 and watch local.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Please for the love of god CCP .. these dam goons are blowing up everything in site.

Not just techII but now techI as well. This has gone far beyond a joke that you build a game that a single lamer can lock down a system and just keep killing miners.

Where the hell go these goons get all there ships from?

Now they have moved to posting kill mails in local, its sickening.


Victim: Nyvette
Alliance: NONE
Corp: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 11222

Involved parties:

Name: Thorn Rocket / Guristas
Damage Done: 6381

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Rokh
Weapon: Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Damage Done: 4841


Victim: baclbc
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic University
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 3375

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 3375


Victim: Lemant
Alliance: The Cool Kids Club
Corp: The Deceptikhanz
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 2836

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.5
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 1496



This is no joke any more, i mean they just keep coming out in new ships and doing it over and over again. For gods sake at least make them station bound for 2 hours or something, this crap happened in the sapce of about 45 minutes, its not funny, this is griefing, and CCP should not support it.

This Crush Boss guy and others like him/her are nothing but jerks (im being nice here).

CCP you realy need to do something NOW, PLEASE.

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Originally by: Thargat

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They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

Some people will argue and give varoius countermeasure/excuses. But the fact of the matter is that to counter suicide tactics, you have to play their game, or not play at all.

CCP have done much to improve one aspect of the game while letting the other slide, and in the universal arms race of bigger and better ships and weapons Concord, and other measures to protect these other playstyles have been largely ignored.



CCP has already it admitted it must do something to protect the gameplay of these players, but instead of just buffing concord something else must be done to deter attackers.

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Originally by: Nhi'Khuna

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Again, we're making assumptions that beginning players are going to naturally understand the intricacies of recon/intel ops and higher functioning operations. Most MMOs just aren't constructed in this way (applauds CCP for creating a game that forces people to do this).

I refer folks to my previous post on this thread... There is something to be said for making it a little easier on the nubbins folks, they are the future of Eve dare I say.

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Originally by: ghost st

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

Some people will argue and give varoius countermeasure/excuses. But the fact of the matter is that to counter suicide tactics, you have to play their game, or not play at all.

CCP have done much to improve one aspect of the game while letting the other slide, and in the universal arms race of bigger and better ships and weapons Concord, and other measures to protect these other playstyles have been largely ignored.



CCP has already it admitted it must do something to protect the gameplay of these players, but instead of just buffing concord something else must be done to deter attackers.

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

You wouldn't like it if i made you mine in a hulk for 6 hours a day, just as these players don't like it if you force them to play the way you want them to.

Mining/trading are part of what make eve great, because those are the aspects casual players can get into without having to spend too many hours per week on.

If CCP allows this behavior to continue to escalate it will only be bad for eve as a whole.

STOP IGNORING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I agree. CCP should give Goons some kind of thanks - perhaps a small monument like the Burn Eden one? - for reminding all players that YOU ARE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE, NOR IS IT INTENDED THAT YOU SHOULD BE.


Goons: I salute you!

(I also thank you for raising mineral prices, thus putting ISK in to my wallet. hah!)

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Originally by: Luh Windan

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

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I *really* don't get this particular brand of crying. This game has a mental learning curve - the vets have been here for years - but guess what? There is a slow rate of attrition as they have been there, done that or dislike the changes or whatever. There will come a time - in *years* when you have that many SP and that many ISK and are whinging about how great Trinity 1.1 was and why did they ever remove local and do you remember when there was only T2 & how T3 totally spoilt everything etc. etc.

If you could be as good as the old guys from day one - then the game would be way to easy and why would any of the people here be playing it?

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Originally by: Luh Windan

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I agree. CCP should give Goons some kind of thanks - perhaps a small monument like the Burn Eden one? - for reminding all players that YOU ARE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE, NOR IS IT INTENDED THAT YOU SHOULD BE.


Goons: I salute you!

(I also thank you for raising mineral prices, thus putting ISK in to my wallet. hah!)

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Heh heh - I vote for a giant floating (station size) image of the Goon CEO in space in Jita,

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Originally by: ghost st

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

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Originally by: AleRiperKilt

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

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That's why I am piling up T1 barges, related modules and BPOs in Junsoraert (or whatever, the one next to Aclan). My alt will have retriever skills by Friday and then the fun starts: every suicide will earn me 1 mil with insurance payout. If they don't suicide me I will make 10 mil/hr drilling ice anyways

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Originally by: AleRiperKilt

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Originally by: ghost st

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EVE is a sandbox that supports many, many different playstyles, and it usually hapens that a groups of users with a particular playstyle fancy themselves as somehow superior to the other players.

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That's why I am piling up T1 barges, related modules and BPOs in Junsoraert (or whatever, the one next to Aclan). My alt will have retriever skills by Friday and then the fun starts: every suicide will earn me 1 mil with insurance payout. If they don't suicide me I will make 10 mil/hr drilling ice anyways

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Originally by: Sar Prius

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Kartoon, your offer of Minmitar space is fine, but my POS uses Amaar space ice, Helium Isotopes. Mining in Minmitar space would do me no good.

Please consider rescinding your troops from ice belts.

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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Originally by: ghost st

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

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This is not a everyone runs around doing whatever they want without challenge or consequences type game. You can't be free from the effects of other players' actions. None of us is. Just the fact that you ever thought you were proves that Goons are doing the game a favor with this thing.

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Originally by: ghost st

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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Originally by: ghost st

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

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This is not a everyone runs around doing whatever they want without challenge or consequences type game. You can't be free from the effects of other players' actions. None of us is. Just the fact that you ever thought you were proves that Goons are doing the game a favor with this thing.

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This inst a game where you should be able to force someone to adapt your play style either

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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and types Allah in local.

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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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and types Allah in local.

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Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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and types Allah in local.

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Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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with 80 to 100 people in local its hard to spot 1 or 2 gonns sneaking into system.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Please for the love of god CCP .. these dam goons are blowing up everything in site.

Not just techII but now techI as well. This has gone far beyond a joke that you build a game that a single lamer can lock down a system and just keep killing miners.

Where the hell go these goons get all there ships from?

Now they have moved to posting kill mails in local, its sickening.


Victim: Nyvette
Alliance: NONE
Corp: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 11222

Involved parties:

Name: Thorn Rocket / Guristas
Damage Done: 6381

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Rokh
Weapon: Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Damage Done: 4841


Victim: baclbc
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic University
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 3375

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 3375


Victim: Lemant
Alliance: The Cool Kids Club
Corp: The Deceptikhanz
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 2836

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.5
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 1496



This is no joke any more, i mean they just keep coming out in new ships and doing it over and over again. For gods sake at least make them station bound for 2 hours or something, this crap happened in the sapce of about 45 minutes, its not funny, this is griefing, and CCP should not support it.

This Crush Boss guy and others like him/her are nothing but jerks (im being nice here).

CCP you realy need to do something NOW, PLEASE.

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Originally by: ghost st

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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Originally by: ghost st

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Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.

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This is not a everyone runs around doing whatever they want without challenge or consequences type game. You can't be free from the effects of other players' actions. None of us is. Just the fact that you ever thought you were proves that Goons are doing the game a favor with this thing.

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This inst a game where you should be able to force someone to adapt your play style either

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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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and types Allah in local.

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Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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What, are you role playing here? were you dropped on your head at birth ? Allah indeed, that is what you little side welp yelled in local after he blew up my ship, what the hell is wrong with you people, guys like you and crush boss and who ever else do this sort of childish act are nothing but navel lint, yea thats right nothing. I hope mommy takes your credit cards for being bad jihads.

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Originally by: Nhi'Khuna

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

Alot of you posters think its funny ? your no better than the goons.

I think my time in eve is fading fast, yes and you can say the "can i have your stuff" but i cant see you doing much with friggen space dust cuz thats all i got left

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I have to speak up and agree with him on this one. The community in Eve is -brutal- for new players. One of the reason why Empire space and CONCORD was created was to provide a safe grounds in which these new players could flourish while they prep to go out into lowsec or 0.0.

Understand I'm writing from the perspective of a hardcore PVPer and semi-retired pirate. It's already difficult for our indy counterparts to make a decent living. between highsec gate camp gankings and now mining op busts in high sector space, it's making it difficult for anyone who is starting out to get into the game.

Why does this matter to you, the cynical, jaded and oh so l33t eve player? Your (our) game survives on the influx of new players. The economics of CCP's financial wellbeing depends on a constant uprise of players logged in and playing the game. If the learning curve is admittedly brutal, pvp harsh and now high sec offers very little by way of security for our young pups, it's all the more incentive for them NOT to continue to play.

Again, don't get me wrong, I LOVE that Eve is as harsh and unforgiving an environment as it is. I LOVE the fact that if you lose pvping it burns. But for the beginning player it can make or break their decision as to whether they would stay and keep playing.

The counter-argument to this, of course, is that goon brings brand spanking new newbs into 0.0 from day 1, and I applaud that initiative! The problem to this is that not every alliance/corporation is going to have the wherewithall or infrastructure to provide their newbs with the much needed support of being in an 'end game' environment right from the get go.

It's kind of like being a pirate. As a pirate I left the newbs alone. What sense was there in ganking a poor 4 day old fella? I wasn't proving my combat prowess but rather being the playground bully punching the new guy in the nose cause he looked funny and didn't know what the term 'onboard scanner' meant... Get my point?

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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The Arabic word for 'God' is "ethnically offensive"?

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Originally by: telxkiskisrowr

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as a goon i mine in 0.0. problem solved. hulk pilot with 99% refine on bis, ark, and scrap in a 35% outpost. so clearly industry specced.

yes they have needed to be able to put stuff on market for alliance or corp only forever. if you want to set only to those with 0+ standing and set goons negative that would be *****ing.

i tank everything i own from my friggin badger 2 to my hulk thanks much.

the reason they can throw away ravens is because me and my wife sell them at 70m and still make profit due to mineral prices where we are at in 0.0. i get all my mins locally but the jita price still affects them.

even as an industry specced character and normal bleeding heart i found those kill mails in 45 minutes amusing. you shouldn't be in an exhumer without having learned so basic avoidance skills like mine in systems with low enough population to watch local.

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Originally by: Reem Fairchild

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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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and types Allah in local.

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Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

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The Arabic word for 'God' is "ethnically offensive"?

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Originally by: Bklyn 1

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I agree totally. However in this instance, it is my understanding that Goons are blowing up Hulks and Covetors and sometimes Retrievers, so we are not exactly talking about new players. But yes, Eve would help itself a lot by giving new players a bit more of an opportunity to learn the ropes. Eve is a very complicated game (which is one thing I love about it) and the player guide and tutorial don't explain it all.

W/quote]

EvE university. Agony. Join a corp.


Lots of opportunities for someone who just doesn't sit in local, endlesslly mining the same belt for 23 hours a day.

CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

Originally by: Nhi'Khuna

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The counter-argument to this, of course, is that goon brings brand spanking new newbs into 0.0 from day 1, and I applaud that initiative!

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Please for the love of god CCP .. these dam goons are blowing up everything in site.

Not just techII but now techI as well. This has gone far beyond a joke that you build a game that a single lamer can lock down a system and just keep killing miners.

Where the hell go these goons get all there ships from?

Now they have moved to posting kill mails in local, its sickening.


Victim: Nyvette
Alliance: NONE
Corp: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 11222

Involved parties:

Name: Thorn Rocket / Guristas
Damage Done: 6381

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Rokh
Weapon: Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Damage Done: 4841


Victim: baclbc
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic University
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 3375

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 3375


Victim: Lemant
Alliance: The Cool Kids Club
Corp: The Deceptikhanz
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 2836

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.5
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 1496



This is no joke any more, i mean they just keep coming out in new ships and doing it over and over again. For gods sake at least make them station bound for 2 hours or something, this crap happened in the sapce of about 45 minutes, its not funny, this is griefing, and CCP should not support it.

This Crush Boss guy and others like him/her are nothing but jerks (im being nice here).

CCP you realy need to do something NOW, PLEASE.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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i'm not a very good gambler

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

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Originally by: telxkiskisrowr

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as a goon i am part of a quasi- fraternity that spammed 5000 friendlies into this game for me and as a consequence any commentary i may feel the need to offer on game balance issues should be taken with a truckload of salt

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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

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If used purely to provoke people, by someone who probably isn't even a muslim, I'd call that borderline offensive.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

Alot of you posters think its funny ? your no better than the goons.

I think my time in eve is fading fast, yes and you can say the "can i have your stuff" but i cant see you doing much with friggen space dust cuz thats all i got left

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Originally by: Viral Shadow

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its been around for 4 years but not on the scale as it is these days

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Originally by: Viral Shadow

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its been around for 4 years but not on the scale as it is these days

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Yulai. Zombie Inc.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Originally by: Viral Shadow

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its been around for 4 years but not on the scale as it is these days

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Yulai. Zombie Inc.

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Originally by: Quelque Chose

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Dual- wield nerfbat/ bansaber'ed.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Nowhere is safe, etc., etc. You fail. This thread sucks. Can I haz ur stuffs? GB2WoW.

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Did I miss anything?

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Originally by: Quelque Chose

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Dual- wield nerfbat/ bansaber'ed.

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Banned for ignoring GMs when they were told to stop, not the ganking in and of itself.

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Originally by: Quelque Chose

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Originally by: Quelque Chose

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Dual- wield nerfbat/ bansaber'ed.

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Banned for ignoring GMs when they were told to stop, not the ganking in and of itself.

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po- TAY- toe


po- TAH- toe

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Originally by: DOC PIC

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My only issue on the whole Gonnie issue is that a hulk is uninsurable.. Please I dont care that im in a belt in high sec and a goonie arrives and start smart bombing. Its part of the game.

My issue is that my hulk is uninsurable and is hard to fit a good tank long enough for him to get poped by concord. Now the suicider can get a full pay out and not much is lost. Just seems a little imbalanced in my eyes. Oh and before a forum warrior states be aligned , try to warp in a barge or hulk aligned with smart bonbs going off.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Not so much. Thanks for playing.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Originally by: DOC PIC

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My only issue on the whole Gonnie issue is that a hulk is uninsurable.. Please I dont care that im in a belt in high sec and a goonie arrives and start smart bombing. Its part of the game.

My issue is that my hulk is uninsurable and is hard to fit a good tank long enough for him to get poped by concord. Now the suicider can get a full pay out and not much is lost. Just seems a little imbalanced in my eyes. Oh and before a forum warrior states be aligned , try to warp in a barge or hulk aligned with smart bonbs going off.

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You can insure Hulks.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Originally by: DOC PIC

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My only issue on the whole Gonnie issue is that a hulk is uninsurable.. Please I dont care that im in a belt in high sec and a goonie arrives and start smart bombing. Its part of the game.

My issue is that my hulk is uninsurable and is hard to fit a good tank long enough for him to get poped by concord. Now the suicider can get a full pay out and not much is lost. Just seems a little imbalanced in my eyes. Oh and before a forum warrior states be aligned , try to warp in a barge or hulk aligned with smart bonbs going off.

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You can insure Hulks.

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Originally by: Quelque Chose

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Not so much. Thanks for playing.

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LOL. First you try and suggest that a single incident shows that suicide ganks used to be as common as they are now and then you're going to try and do a "." maneuver on me over some petty rules- lawyering? Pffft. Thanks for playing indeed.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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meme

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Originally by: Havohej

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Not that I care about this guy's Hulk mind you, but to play Devil's Advocate, aren't Exhumers subject to the T2 insurance thing? That being that you can't insure it to its full value... like how I can only get 2M insurance on my Wolf, when I actually pay 10-13M for it? I don't even bother buying the insurance for it anymore, tbh... I consider it uninsurable for all intents and purposes.

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Originally by: giles666

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While it is do-able withint the game mechanics it does calss as griefing.

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Originally by: giles666

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People who hang out in a noob corp and mine in empire clearyl aren't interested in PvP and shouldn't be forced into it by dogdy game mechanics.

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Originally by: giles666

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If the Goonies WANT to gank people there is a while raft of low sec and null sec which is designed for this kind of thing. Peopl who enter low/null sec want to take part in PvP and everyone is happy taht way. People who carebear in empire don't wanna PvP and shouldn't have it forced upon them.

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Originally by: giles666

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Ganking is the only part of the game at the moment where you don't have a choice wether to PvP (even in empire, when your corp is decced you can leave teh corp if you really don't wanna PvP).

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Originally by: giles666

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While I don't think insurance should be availible on any ship in Eve. Paying out insurance on a ship destroyed by the police while comiting a criminal act is just plain stupid and needs to be fixed.

No insurance Company would ever pay such a claim so I don't see why CCP should.

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Originally by: giles666

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People who carebear in empire don't wanna PvP and shouldn't have it forced upon them.

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Originally by: BlondieBC

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I have put a 1 million isk bounty on any miner in an gallente ice belt. If you don't like this, I live in tde in geminate region. Come do something about it.

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Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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Not griefing? Are you joking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefing

* The unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.
* The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.
* The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person.

... so its griefing alright.

CCP must be the only game company in the entire world that allows, even encourages, and pay in-game currency (insurance) to griefers.
One can argue how good that is as a business model in the long run, but then again; this is EVE Online.
Get a carrier asap and go to 0.0 and pretend you are enjoying yourself. Go, boy, go.

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Originally by: Soporo

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All CCP has to do is ONE simple little thing to stop or mitigate suicide ganking :
(making the VERY wild assumption that they want to)

STOP PAYING OUT INSURANCE FOR CONCORDOKENED SHIPS.
No brainer.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Edited by: Dianeces on 19/03/2008 21:50:08

Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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Not griefing? Are you joking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefing

* The unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.
* The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.
* The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person.

... so its griefing alright.

CCP must be the only game company in the entire world that allows, even encourages, and pay in-game currency (insurance) to griefers.
One can argue how good that is as a business model in the long run, but then again; this is EVE Online.
Get a carrier asap and go to 0.0 and pretend you are enjoying yourself. Go, boy, go.

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They have said it's intended. #1 refuted.

You don't have to use exploits to get back at them (read: killrights and spawning condord in your belts). #2 refuted.

2/3 of your so-called "proof" are wrong, ergo, it's not griefing. Get over yourself.

Also, lolwikipedia.

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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Originally by: File Slievugh

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CONCORD shouldn't pay this insurance to force these gank players to mine. XD

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Originally by: Christari Zuborov

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Concord shouldn't pay insurance to those who continually get ganked, clearly they're not a very responsible party to their contract.

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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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and types Allah in local.

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Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

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Quote:

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* The unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.
* The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.
* The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person.

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Quote:

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* The unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.

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* The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.

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* The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person.

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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs

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1. This is not an unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic. Person attacks someone in hi sec, person gets popped by concord. No abuse of the game mechanic.

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Could someone answer me about SS of the suicider? I do think Concord not only destroys your ship, but also hits your SS up to -12,5% (for podding).
Reading older posts about macrofarmers killing I always thought that one kill of 5-6 barges together with their pods drops you down to very low blinky red.
Now I see, i.e. karttoon killed, among other ships, 22 pods March 19th only, and still has SS -1.9 or so, enough to continue hisec suiciding. Someone could clear this for me? As currently it looks like some exploit.

Originally by: stunna13

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Originally by: karttoon

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http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.

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i hope the whole allah being the only god thing a joke... i think it is... but not sure...

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 19/03/2008 22:55:24

Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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and types Allah in local.

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Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

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I find it offensive, but the opposite way. The "lol we're suicide bombers like real-world jihadists! lol" is what I find offensive when real people are killed every day by those psychos. I bet if I were to start a ****-themed corp/alliance and went around doing the same thing, but in the name of racial purity and genocide or whatever wouldn't be able to get away with it (not that I would want to). Modern day Jihadists are just as bad as ****s, IMO and are just as offensive as a ****Swarm would be.

I don't have a problem with what GoonSwarm is doing, I just have a problem with the theme. If they want to blow up every miner they see, ok have fun, but why the glorification of an intolerant, violent mindset like jihadism?

EDIT: See what I mean? The censored word is the shortened term for the National Socialist Party that was dominant in Germany in the 1930s-40s. That word is censored, but "jihad" is totally ok and non offensive?

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Originally by: Mia Sinqsu

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If its not a joke they are bringing real world religion and politics into Eve, which shouldn't be acceptable. We don't need Islamic terrorists flying around Eve in my opinion. Turns my stomach. Officially, the GMs will not do anything about it.

The only benefit I see on the killboards in what they are doing are popping the asian sweat shop mining ISK sellers. That is a good thing.

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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Originally by: Mia Sinqsu

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If its not a joke they are bringing real world religion and politics into Eve, which shouldn't be acceptable. We don't need Islamic terrorists flying around Eve in my opinion. Turns my stomach. Officially, the GMs will not do anything about it.

The only benefit I see on the killboards in what they are doing are popping the asian sweat shop mining ISK sellers. That is a good thing.

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I agree. What they're doing is fine. Bringing real-world issues like suicide-bombing and terrorism into the game (seemingly just to offend) is not cool, IMO. If you want to play terrorists aligned with in-game groups and going along with in-game backstory (Minmatar freedom fighters, etc), that's fine. But playing terrorists aligned with real-world groups that have killed thousands of real people and kill more every day in the name of their religion is not needed in the game.

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Originally by: Mia Sinqsu

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 19/03/2008 22:55:24

Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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and types Allah in local.

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Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

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I find it offensive, but the opposite way. The "lol we're suicide bombers like real-world jihadists! lol" is what I find offensive when real people are killed every day by those psychos. I bet if I were to start a ****-themed corp/alliance and went around doing the same thing, but in the name of racial purity and genocide or whatever wouldn't be able to get away with it (not that I would want to). Modern day Jihadists are just as bad as ****s, IMO and are just as offensive as a ****Swarm would be.

I don't have a problem with what GoonSwarm is doing, I just have a problem with the theme. If they want to blow up every miner they see, ok have fun, but why the glorification of an intolerant, violent mindset like jihadism?

EDIT: See what I mean? The censored word is the shortened term for the National Socialist Party that was dominant in Germany in the 1930s-40s. That word is censored, but "jihad" is totally ok and non offensive?

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I agree.

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Originally by: RC Denton

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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Originally by: Mia Sinqsu

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If its not a joke they are bringing real world religion and politics into Eve, which shouldn't be acceptable. We don't need Islamic terrorists flying around Eve in my opinion. Turns my stomach. Officially, the GMs will not do anything about it.

The only benefit I see on the killboards in what they are doing are popping the asian sweat shop mining ISK sellers. That is a good thing.

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I agree 100% with this statment and CCP needs to take astand before it escelates much further and real life agancys get involved.

This is really the way i can see this form of action going if im honest, Someone will take offence at the context of the goonswarms religious overtones.

I honestly do not think that CCP want it to go this way but i can see it happening and eveyone who supports goonswarm actions taken in the name of real life religious terrorists needs to think again.

Yes im fed up hearing about jihad1s ect and the religuos overtones they are making in game and here i have family that have been killed in the name of religion and i have very good friends in the gulf ect being ex military and i do get angry at these terms being banded about like this in the name of fun and in the world of gaming.

HOw many of these goons are American and remember 911 that was a jihad adn look what happened there. Im sorry for bringing that into this but that is how much it dscusted me that CCP are allowing these player to get away with these tones in a game that is great to play.

CCP do not let these idiots destroy eve and believe me they could if it is allowed to escelate much further with the terms they are using and the adhorent things they are ssying to there victims.

I agree. What they're doing is fine. Bringing real-world issues like suicide-bombing and terrorism into the game (seemingly just to offend) is not cool, IMO. If you want to play terrorists aligned with in-game groups and going along with in-game backstory (Minmatar freedom fighters, etc), that's fine. But playing terrorists aligned with real-world groups that have killed thousands of real people and kill more every day in the name of their religion is not needed in the game.

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That's why I think the best counter to this would be to turn them in to the office of homeland security as suspected cyber terrorists who are setting up training grounds in the EVE online game.

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Eve would not be Eve if the PvP were consentual. Actually, I take that back. Everyone in Eve consents to PvP when they undock. Simple as that. You don't like it? Suck it up, or leave.

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Come on people dont any of you guys care?

This is supposed to be a game, to have fun, not to get blown the hell up at ever turn. I followed all the "DONT GET GANKED" ruules and STILL get blown up.

We need CCP to help us miners.

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Originally by: RC Denton

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That's why I think the best counter to this would be to turn them in to the office of homeland security as suspected cyber terrorists who are setting up training grounds in the EVE online game.

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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you miss that THEY are having fun. So its achievign the game goal of having fun. If you are safe then THEY wont have fun. Why you worht more than they?

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Originally by: Nhi'Khuna

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

Alot of you posters think its funny ? your no better than the goons.

I think my time in eve is fading fast, yes and you can say the "can i have your stuff" but i cant see you doing much with friggen space dust cuz thats all i got left

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I have to speak up and agree with him on this one. The community in Eve is -brutal- for new players. One of the reason why Empire space and CONCORD was created was to provide a safe grounds in which these new players could flourish while they prep to go out into lowsec or 0.0.

Understand I'm writing from the perspective of a hardcore PVPer and semi-retired pirate. It's already difficult for our indy counterparts to make a decent living. between highsec gate camp gankings and now mining op busts in high sector space, it's making it difficult for anyone who is starting out to get into the game.

Why does this matter to you, the cynical, jaded and oh so l33t eve player? Your (our) game survives on the influx of new players. The economics of CCP's financial wellbeing depends on a constant uprise of players logged in and playing the game. If the learning curve is admittedly brutal, pvp harsh and now high sec offers very little by way of security for our young pups, it's all the more incentive for them NOT to continue to play.

Again, don't get me wrong, I LOVE that Eve is as harsh and unforgiving an environment as it is. I LOVE the fact that if you lose pvping it burns. But for the beginning player it can make or break their decision as to whether they would stay and keep playing.

The counter-argument to this, of course, is that goon brings brand spanking new newbs into 0.0 from day 1, and I applaud that initiative! The problem to this is that not every alliance/corporation is going to have the wherewithall or infrastructure to provide their newbs with the much needed support of being in an 'end game' environment right from the get go.

It's kind of like being a pirate. As a pirate I left the newbs alone. What sense was there in ganking a poor 4 day old fella? I wasn't proving my combat prowess but rather being the playground bully punching the new guy in the nose cause he looked funny and didn't know what the term 'onboard scanner' meant... Get my point?

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Originally by: Kingwood

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And hey, for those needing some education:

Allah = God
Jesus = Muhammed
Jihad = Crusade

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Originally by: Siriyana

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Step 1: Set Goonswarm to negative 10 standings
Step 2: Watch local
Step 3: Warp out of the belt when reds enter local
Step 4: ...
Step 5: Profit?!?!?!?

Seriously though. You may not like their play style or what they do or find them offensive, but you don't have to. You don't have to understand them. The game exists so those that understand the rules of the game can enjoy the game. If you don't enjoy the game, there are other games you may enjoy. Goonies are enjoying the game.

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Originally by: El'Niaga

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Posting killmails in local is harassment, report it as such.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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It's great being a puppetmaster

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Come on people dont any of you guys care?

This is supposed to be a game, to have fun, not to get blown the hell up at ever turn. I followed all the "DONT GET GANKED" ruules and STILL get blown up.

We need CCP to help us miners.

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Originally by: Mr McMuppet

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Originally by: Placename HERE

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Come on people dont any of you guys care?

This is supposed to be a game, to have fun, not to get blown the hell up at ever turn. I followed all the "DONT GET GANKED" ruules and STILL get blown up.

We need CCP to help us miners.

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So.. you followed all steps to avoid getting ganked? That makes me wonder...

If you docked up, warped to a POS or warped to a safespot and cloaked as soon as someone you don't know entered local, how did you die?

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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It's great being a puppetmaster

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Necessary part of the game, too. Otherwise, people would be able to just blithely grind missions all day and not have any risk of losing their pimped out CNR. That is not what Eve is about.

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Originally by: Inconstant Moon

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Eve competes now solely on its somewhat dubious claims of polish and balance and community.

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Originally by: Lady Karma

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EVE competes with its pvp environment. The ability to shoot anyone anywhere.

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Originally by: Inconstant Moon

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Originally by: Lady Karma

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EVE competes with its pvp environment. The ability to shoot anyone anywhere.

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The numbers would tend to contradict such claims. Most players stay in Empire, from which I deduce most players are carebears, and I very much doubt that non-consensual pvp is what attracted them to the game.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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It's great being a puppetmaster

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Originally by: Inconstant Moon

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Necessary part of the game, too. Otherwise, people would be able to just blithely grind missions all day and not have any risk of losing their pimped out CNR. That is not what Eve is about.

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That's what Eve is about *to me*. It's how I choose to play the game and if that choice becomes unviable, I'll just play something else. There's plenty other newer and more exciting games out there - Eve competes now solely on its somewhat dubious claims of polish and balance and community.

Now, I only ended up blithely grinding missions in my pimped-out CNR because I do not wish to share my game experience with the likes of gankers and goons, to whom a victory at any price is more desirable than a good game.

Remember those words? Good game. It's what people used to say to each other after both victory and defeat, when fun was had by both sides and a sporting attitude prevailed. You can build a good game, but cultivating a good community is something of a lost art.

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Originally by: Kingwood

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I find the terms "God", "Jesus", and "Crusade" offensive too. Please do not bring them into this game. Christianity was responsible for mass murder in the dark ages. I am incredibly offended by anyone using these terms, and will petition it in the future.

And hey, for those needing some education:

Allah = Iehova
Jesus = Muhammed
Jihad = Crusade

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Originally by: Bob Socko

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You know, in the time it took you to pound this out, you could have been prepping for a trip to Minmatar space. You know, the safe space, where members of the swarm won't blow you up.

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Originally by: mahj

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stargateworlds is looking better all the time this fall

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