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Voridor Malevolence	Posted - 2009.07.26 20:47:00 - [661] Edited by: Voridor Malevolence on 26/07/2009 20:47:28 Originally by: Kay Vaginal Try moar, you two are this close to being hardcore. Yet another pathetic attempt to restore some superiority in an otherwise helpless situation. edit:
Willy Pete Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.07.26 20:50:00 - [662] Originally by: Murbella Venturi Edited by: Murbella Venturi on 26/07/2009 08:28:08 man just use tractors Yes, please do. Then I can just sit at 0 feet from you and salvage as you tractor the wrecks in.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.07.26 21:23:00 - [663] Originally by: Haraukiae Youik The devs need to enable us to shoot ninja salvagers by making wrecks property of the original player who shot the npc. Long overdue change. You could always renounce ownership of the wreck. Say a compromise, the wreck belongs to the player who shot it for 15 mins, after that it is fair game. Salvage is its own profession, not a free loot scheme for missionrunners. Salvagers are protected by CONCORD in hisec just as miners, haulers, and missonrunners are. If you want to shoot people for no reason, go to lowsec.
Willy Pete Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.07.26 23:57:00 - [664] Tweedledee here, I must admit, I am a 100% . I tried a 12 step program to end my bearishness, but I failed (the shame). Now, let's take this little adventure into another realm of imagination (1,000 isk for the first person to evemail me with the origin of those last three words) - If MRs are making 40 million isk per hour, and if CCP wants to move folks out of high sec, wouldn't the answer be to allow salvagers to both salvage and loot without becoming flagged? Certainly, if the salvager took whatever goo ga the MR needed to succeed in his mission, the salvager would be flagged. But otherwise, no. This would give incentive for both parties to move into low/null sec. The MR would lose a big hunk of his income and the salvager would lose the Concord/E-bay lottery. Thoughts?
philigus	Posted - 2009.07.27 19:57:00 - [665] Interesting thank you for the post. this question sort of belongs here... please move wherever it needs... how do you know when you have legal rights to shoot a person?
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.07.27 20:21:00 - [666] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 27/07/2009 20:24:08 Originally by: philigus Interesting thank you for the post. this question sort of belongs here... please move wherever it needs... how do you know when you have legal rights to shoot a person? Their overview row is red.
Khalia Nestune Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.08.01 07:30:00 - [667] Originally by: Haraukiae Youik The devs need to enable us to shoot ninja salvagers by making wrecks property of the original player who shot the npc. If the intention here is for you to be able to shoot people who salvage your wrecks, then as a Ninja I am ENTIRELY IN SUPPORT OF THIS CHANGE. Salvaging and getting tears in local is great, but the most epic tears are when I loot, get shot at, and come back with my PvP gankship. I fully welcome any change the provides mission runners the ability to shoot at me - and therefore let me shoot back.
Faegun	Posted - 2009.08.02 14:00:00 - [668] I need some help with the probing part. I've tried and tried and had abit of luck here and there. I've read a few different guides, watched a few video guides. I think I am almost there but I keep having the same problem. When I hit Analyze after slowly bringing down the scan size of my probes to 4 AU this time the red dot totally dissapears. So I think the ship might have cleared off. So I launch another probe with a larger scan size to cover the area and I get a red sphere telling me he is still in there... I increase the other probes back to 8 AU and the ship reappears. Back to 4 AU and its gome. This has happened several different times and I dont know what to do. Is it because my singal strengh is too low when I try to scan at 4 AU? I seem to do everything right from 64 AU down to 4 AU. Any help?
Riedle	Posted - 2009.08.02 15:31:00 - [669] Originally by: Faegun I need some help with the probing part. I've tried and tried and had abit of luck here and there. I've read a few different guides, watched a few video guides. I think I am almost there but I keep having the same problem. When I hit Analyze after slowly bringing down the scan size of my probes to 4 AU this time the red dot totally dissapears. So I think the ship might have cleared off. So I launch another probe with a larger scan size to cover the area and I get a red sphere telling me he is still in there... I increase the other probes back to 8 AU and the ship reappears. Back to 4 AU and its gome. This has happened several different times and I dont know what to do. Is it because my singal strengh is too low when I try to scan at 4 AU? I seem to do everything right from 64 AU down to 4 AU. Any help? It happens alot. It is because you have a filter set on your results. The filter only applies when you are able to tell what the ship is. If the ship is not on your filtered list, it will no longer appear on your results page as your filter says that you are not interested in it.
Faegun	Posted - 2009.08.02 16:34:00 - [670] Edited by: Faegun on 02/08/2009 16:36:55 I see. So for example I might have been attempting to probe down a Hulk in a mining mission (without knowing) and because I filter Hulk's it then disapears when the signal strengh is enough to tell me its a Hulk? Also if it happens as I described, does that mean I should then give up on that signal and try scanning for a new one? If thats the case it'll be alot harder to find guys running missions then I first thought
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.08.04 01:42:00 - [671] I had to access this page to give someone new to probing a good guide, so I thought I'd give it a nice bump. Just reading through the OP again, I think you should put in some ship fittings. Here is my rifter fit. 1,300m/s and can hold all the salvage I get unless I get metal scraps, but I usually use the directional scanner to make sure I get good wrecks so rarely need to jet crap salvage. [Rifter, Ninja rifter] Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Small Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Salvager I Salvager I Salvager I Salvager I
Beaty Swollocks Perkone	Posted - 2009.08.04 03:06:00 - [672] Probing has changed quite abit since i been gone ! Thanks to gogga for linking me this thread and thanks to Kahega for the video it explained it a whole lot easyer. I finaly put my perfect probing skills to the test and scanned down my 1st few mission runners and ninja'd thier loot i knew i should of joined you guys (suddenly ninja) ages ago as i didnt quite relise how huch fun it can be
Chronospin Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:06:00 - [673] Originally by: Lyta Reimalken You people treat it like its some kind of exploit. Its not. Its just your failure to capitalise on resources at your doorstep, and then whining when someone else beats you to the good stuff... Thats the truth. Nuf said.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.08.04 14:49:00 - [674] Originally by: Chronospin This is all but not easy lol. In about a hour, i managed to discover a yelow dot, a battleship. But once i started focus the probes on it by reducing the range, (and the time i needed to adjust all on the dot) he vanished. I found a lot of double signal strenght but never two spots one above the other like in the video. Well at the end, about two hours probing in Rens/farn and other systems, i got nothing. And i have some skills as well. Not easy but very interesting. You are simply lacking skills. It shoulnt' take more than 5 days to get astro IV, and all the support skills up to III, which will make things much easier for you. Using sisters gear with a probe bonus ship also helps out.
Corporal Meatshield	Posted - 2009.08.04 15:20:00 - [675] Heron (or any other ship with scanning bonus) and standard gear are fine as well, with a bit of training you can scan down battleships in less then ten minutes.
Jen Kobayashi	Posted - 2009.08.04 15:39:00 - [676] First attempt at this the other day, I managed to scan down a battleship in about ten minutes - probably took longer than necessary as I'm not entirely familiar with the scanning interface - and warped in on a room full of shiny wrecks waiting to be salvaged. Much to my dismay there was already someone else in there ninja'ing the guy's wrecks. Swiping wrecks from under mission runners' noses is one thing, but I won't stoop (quite) as low as stealing from other salvagers...
Chronospin Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.08.05 10:57:00 - [677] Yay; yesterday night i managed to probe a BS :) I have some good skils at it, no worry;) Its just i was doing some manipulations in the wrong way. Well, i managed to probe this BS so i warped in his mission. A nice wrecks field over here. As a gentleman, i convoed him in private to speak a bit. I said " i probed u so i purpose u a deal. U keep ur loot and the medium/larges wrecks, i salvage all the littles ones. Deal ?". The guy tried to intimidate me lamely and tried to agro some NPC on my hull:p Anyway i did what i said, i salvaged only the little wrecks. I dont like ppl when u come as a gentleman and they dont respect u. Probing a guy is the game, it force a relationship in a certain way, and it can bring a momentary "collaboration". Some ppl should open their mind a little bit more and RP and bit more too. My two cents.
Soliscout	Posted - 2009.08.05 12:32:00 - [678] Originally by: Chronospin Yay; yesterday night i managed to probe a BS :) I have some good skils at it, no worry;) Its just i was doing some manipulations in the wrong way. Well, i managed to probe this BS so i warped in his mission. A nice wrecks field over here. As a gentleman, i convoed him in private to speak a bit. I said " i probed u so i purpose u a deal. U keep ur loot and the medium/larges wrecks, i salvage all the littles ones. Deal ?". The guy tried to intimidate me lamely and tried to agro some NPC on my hull:p Anyway i did what i said, i salvaged only the little wrecks. I dont like ppl when u come as a gentleman and they dont respect u. Probing a guy is the game, it force a relationship in a certain way, and it can bring a momentary "collaboration". Some ppl should open their mind a little bit more and RP and bit more too. My two cents. Your are not probing out mission runner to be a gentlemen...but to ninja their wrecks
Veebring Greetings	Posted - 2009.08.05 12:55:00 - [679] Originally by: Jen Kobayashi Swiping wrecks from under mission runners' noses is one thing, but I won't stoop (quite) as low as stealing from other salvagers... It's not stealing, it's free for all
Chronospin Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.08.05 14:28:00 - [680] Originally by: Soliscout Your are not probing out mission runner to be a gentlemen...but to ninja their wrecks Yea but i have a little voice in my head who always scream : "If u do it, do it with style !" :)
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.08.05 15:03:00 - [681] Originally by: Chronospin... i warped in his mission. A nice wrecks field over here. As a gentleman, i convoed him in private to speak a bit. I said " i probed u so i purpose u a deal. U keep ur loot and the medium/larges wrecks, i salvage all the littles ones. Deal ?".... Anyway i did what i said, i salvaged only the little wrecks. [/quote WAT!!! I'm sorry, that fails.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.05 17:51:00 - [682] Quote: You are simply lacking skills. It shoulnt' take more than 5 days to get astro IV, and all the support skills up to III, which will make things much easier for you. Using sisters gear with a probe bonus ship also helps out. I don't get the point of Astro IV. 7 probes might be useful for some very specialized initial probe formations...but I never use more than five (and that's just for the initial scan)
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.08.05 20:04:00 - [683] Originally by: Chronospin I said " i probed u so i purpose u a deal. U keep ur loot and the medium/larges wrecks, i salvage all the littles ones. Deal ?" No wonder he didn't like it. This is clearly a breach of ninja protocol. It is customary to make the opposite offer, and the MR probably knew that. = the GOP is recruiting =
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.08.05 21:39:00 - [684] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: You are simply lacking skills. It shoulnt' take more than 5 days to get astro IV, and all the support skills up to III, which will make things much easier for you. Using sisters gear with a probe bonus ship also helps out. I don't get the point of Astro IV. 7 probes might be useful for some very specialized initial probe formations...but I never use more than five (and that's just for the initial scan) Astro IV gives you access to a skill that give a 10% bonus to strength per level, which is probably the best support skill of all.
Bloody Knuckle	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:22:00 - [685] Originally by: Chantilly Layce Edited by: Chantilly Layce on 11/06/2009 11:38:26 Originally by: Polly Prissypantz All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass. THIS is why I ninja... what a goob...did you feel "dirty" having to come down off your mountain top long enough to mingle with us mere mortals and write that? [Edited for extra noobish ninja goodness] The reason a pilot decides to ninja is not simply for profit but it is the amount of rush some player get and enjoying a different way of make some isk. If they felt like mission running and enjoyed that environment then they would be doing so. I mission run and have come in contact with many ninjas. A mission runner (lvl4) with good skillz and a clue of what he/she is doing can make much more than a ninja [20-40 or more Isk/Hour]. What is fun for us might not be fun for others and that is ultimately what your paying for, the enjoyment of the game I myself have an alt for pure PvP becuase I also enjoy that aspect of the game and mission running in safe little high sec is a easy way to have a stable amount of isk coming in to fund that account. How I get rid of a Ninja? Only do one of two things that sometimes work, but ultimately it comes down to the Ninja's patience. Warping out which forces the ninja to leave or be shot at by Rats Or, depending on if the mission has such triggers, fully aggro every rat, leave and sometimes the ninja goes pop SORRY! But usually if it is my 10th or 15th mission of the day I don't care to salvage anymore =D Good luck Ninjas we Salute you!
Mintala Arana Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.06 19:27:00 - [686] Originally by: g0ggalor Astro IV gives you access to a skill that give a 10% bonus to strength per level, which is probably the best support skill of all. Nope. Astrometric Rangefinding gives that bonus, and is available once you have Science at 3. Astrometric Acquisition gives -10% scan time per level, and is available at Astrometrics 3. Astrometric Pinpointing gives -10% scan deviation per level and is available at Astrometrics 4.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.08.06 19:57:00 - [687] Originally by: Mintala Arana Originally by: g0ggalor Astro IV gives you access to a skill that give a 10% bonus to strength per level, which is probably the best support skill of all. Nope. Astrometric Rangefinding gives that bonus, and is available once you have Science at 3. Astrometric Acquisition gives -10% scan time per level, and is available at Astrometrics 3. Astrometric Pinpointing gives -10% scan deviation per level and is available at Astrometrics 4. A, then it is pinpointing that I was referencing. Maybe not the most necessary skill, but a nice support skill to have just the same, (whatever deviation is).
Captain Gorlok Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.06 21:36:00 - [688] Quote: A, then it is pinpointing that I was referencing. Maybe not the most necessary skill, but a nice support skill to have just the same, (whatever deviation is). A, another 10 days and I can have Pinpointing 5 along with the other 3 skills at 5, will it be worth while to train it? P.S. U sound like a fellow Canuck, lol.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.08.06 21:55:00 - [689] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 06/08/2009 21:56:03 Ah, alright. It's been about a year since I trained those skills, back when Astro IV was needed to do effective scanning -anyway-. Didn't even know it was a prereq. Quote: (whatever deviation is). Place four probes at 64 AU in a box and scan. Now, set those probes to .5 AU and put them around one of the dots you see. When you scan again, you will see absolutely nothing. That's deviation.
Haraukiae Youik	Posted - 2009.08.07 00:07:00 - [690] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Chronospin I said " i probed u so i purpose u a deal. U keep ur loot and the medium/larges wrecks, i salvage all the littles ones. Deal ?" No wonder he didn't like it. This is clearly a breach of ninja protocol. It is customary to make the opposite offer, and the MR probably knew that. There is a ninja protocol? Besides look at the definition of ninja from ninja Now if you were stealthy in the mission area I would call you a ninja. As it is you are just a game mechanic. and a rather useless one at that. If you guys did this in 0.0 I could see where you would garner some sense of respect, but in hi sec? Really. Go pvp.

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