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Zwik Quantico	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Zwik on 26/03/2008 15:04:47 Edited by: Zwik on 26/03/2008 15:03:57 Peace be upon everyone. Dear Crowd Control Productions (CCP), I would like to highlight a serious matter to you. The group of people who put up this website: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message .. are doing exactly what is banned according to you, as written in your policy. FACT Jihadswarm is misrepresenting Islam. How do I know this? I know this because I am a Muslim. Yes, be afraid now.. Here are a few false statements that have been made by Jihadswarm. :refer to http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message False Statement #1 "I am Karttoon, Shiekh of JihadSwarm and prophet of Allah" The truth: There is no prophet of Allah named Karttoon in Islam. False Statement #2 "Praise be to Allah, there is no god but allah, and Karttoon is his prophet!" The truth: Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his last and final prophet! VERDICT Therefore according to CCP's own SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY, they have flouted rule no 3.a and possibly rule 3.b WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW, CCP ? Jihadswarm's false statements and actions in EVE is detrimental to ISLAM. Why? Because what they do is opposite of what ISLAM teaches. They mis-use the name of Allah, they pervert the true meaning of Jihad, and make a mockery of all this. Jihad is never holy war. The meaning of Jihad is "to strive, to struggle", and totally not "holy war". JihadSwarm is behaving like Al-Qaeda. The real terrorists. Not the behaviour of a true Muslim. CCP your rules clearly state what is acceptable in this game. Will you then not act? Peace, A Muslim ------------------------------------------------------ CCP's SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY, Here: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/banning.asp 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-***, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. ------------------------------------------------------
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:02:00 - [2] GOON ALT DETECTED ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24)
Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:05:00 - [3] GTFO
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:06:00 - [4] How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...? warp drive active \| nature vraie
jackie sparrow Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:07:00 - [5] CCP does not control contents on other people's website. The fact that the Jihadswarm website is a website that the killmails are being uploaded to does not mean that the people who partake in the Jihadswarm kilings have anything against muslims...
Nomakai Delateriel Viziam	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:08:00 - [6] OP is either a Goon alt, or needs to have his parody-sensors recalibrated. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
SoftRevolution Complicity.	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:08:00 - [7] EVE RELATED CONTENT
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate GTFO
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:13:00 - [9] Jihadswarm is good for Islam TBH. First ppl will play around and mimic it. It will get into the general unconscious as the "cool" or "fun" thing. Then some of them will actually find out about real Islam and accept it.
Amarth Thargan Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:13:00 - [10] With the eye on the current rumors of global shortage in bandwith I'd say: Sue that persoon for bandwith-wastage.

Jernau Gurgeh University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:14:00 - [11] How are CCP responsible for the content of a third party website? If you don't like the content of the site, the sensible thing to do would be to report them to the ISP hosting the site. The jerk-like thing to do would be to report them to the FBI's anti-terrorism people. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:14:00 - [12] Edited by: NeoTheo on 26/03/2008 15:14:17 Whilst not caring if goons want to blow up haulers and miners in high sec, i do happen to give a screw about this subject. the constant religious gibes comming from goons is insulting and has NO PLACE in eve-online. sorry, just how i feel. Linkage
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Winterblink How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Not exactly a positive advertisement though, is it? Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:14:00 - [14] I see it as them making fun of the extreamists who run around shouting this kind of dribble who tarnish Islam. Seriously religious people need to grow thicker skin, especialy those fundermental christians
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Zwik The truth: Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his last and final prophet! You are misrepresenting faith as objective fact. So you are denying my faith. So religious intolerance isn't allowed, so you should be banned. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:15:00 - [16] Obvious troll is obvious .... sig goes here!
Cailais VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Tarminic GOON ALT DETECTED Shame there's no sound on the forums - never mind I'll do my best.. AWOOOGA!! AWOOGA!! AWOOGA!! C. Improved Low Sec Idea!!
Scoundrelus Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03 How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...? Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me. Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Winterblink How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Not exactly a positive advertisement though, is it? Actually it is. I have a positive view of Jihadswarm.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Scoundrelus Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends. Theres no such thing as bad publicity.

Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:17:00 - [21] I think they should change the name of their thing to "Finalsolutionswarm" and spam "Juden 'Raus!" in local when they attack. The propaganda would be a lot better that way. They could work in a bunch of stuff about rich, filthy carebears manipulating the market, controlling the banks, funding communism and despoiling the purity of the races: the Plague of Insterstellar Carebearery. That way they could claim to be "deporting" carebears to Minmatar space too. Not to mention the snazzy uniforms. That would be fuggin hilarious I think. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Zantrei Kordisin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:18:00 - [22] Damn, you are right. It's just as well that that is on some website not managed or owned by CCP in any way then, I guess. Don't get me wrong, I'd blow up any goons that I come accross, but I'm quite enjoying the entertainment factor that this whinage is providing. Silly people.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Malar on 26/03/2008 15:21:41 Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03 How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...? Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me. Actually, i was going to post this yesterday, but since someone actually brought it up, heres my .2 isk. It is not about advertising a faith. It is about abusing the terms / ideologies of a faith. Jihad is the word holy war waged by muslims. Last time i checked the goons werend a muslim organization and i seriously doubt that any religious leader would call a jihad over a computer game, at least a virtual one. So all in one, its sheer mockery.. they play jihad cuz they find it to be fun. You can translate it to playing terrorists. It might be fun for you, but you have to realize that it might hurt people. Some things just have no place in an international game, and religious / rascist / opressive ideologies or the mentioning / advertising of said ideologies is just a prime example of the bigger DON'Ts of an MMO game. So yea.. i dont care if they get banner or just a slap on their wirsts for doing this, but CCP definitely has to deal with issues like this, before some moron starts the holy crusade against the goons just for fun and we end up playing medieval: eve before we realize whats happening. edit: just to clarify I dont give a damn what their websites say.. But the forums are full with this jihadswarm stuff and that i really find bad. So if they wanna play terrorists, fine. Just keep it off the forums / local. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Punaineefor Gaius Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:19:00 - [24] Excellent use of meta-gaming tactics. I salute you sir.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:20:00 - [25] short answer: lol other answer: Ban policy 3a and 3b would both be serious stretches in this case. And in any event, obscenity in American law typically means something with no redeeming social value and objectionable in the eyes of a given community at large. Obviously the Eve playerbase is international and CCP is headquartered in Iceland, so American obscenity definitions have no authoritative place in this argument, but I'm just using them as a frame of reference. I'd like to here any argument though that demonstrates that the Goons are violating any sort of obscenity guidelines, based on the definition provided above. Either that, or CCP needs to clearly define obscenity as it appears in their ban policy.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Winterblink How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Not exactly a positive advertisement though, is it? shrug I guess that depends on how much real-life stock you put in the actions of people in a game. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Scoundrelus Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Malar It is not about advertising a faith. It is about abusing the terms / ideologies of a faith. Jihad is the word holy war waged by muslims. Jihad actually means "Struggle" or "To Strive For". However this is perceived as holy war because a war is a struggle and you strive for victory or whatever.
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Winterblink shrug I guess that depends on how much real-life stock you put in the actions of people in a game. Well, ideally that would be none because people shouldn't drag the former in to the later. That's pretty much the reason it is against the rules in the first place. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Malar Some things just have no place in an international game, and religious / racist / oppressive ideologies or the mentioning / advertising of said ideologies is just a prime example of the bigger DON'Ts of an MMO game. I understand all your points, and I can see where you're coming. But with regards to the above quote, you're actually doing that which you're speaking out against with this thread. Not trying to be a *****, just thought that was worth pointing out. CCP isn't blind and deaf to these types of issues, and I'm sure you're not the first Muslim to raise it to them as a point of contention. The fact that nothing has been done has to say something about the validity of arguments against their behavior. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Malar Edited by: Malar on 26/03/2008 15:21:41 Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03 How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...? Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me. Actually, i was going to post this yesterday, but since someone actually brought it up, heres my .2 isk. It is not about advertising a faith. It is about abusing the terms / ideologies of a faith. Jihad is the word holy war waged by muslims. Last time i checked the goons werend a muslim organization and i seriously doubt that any religious leader would call a jihad over a computer game, at least a virtual one. So all in one, its sheer mockery.. they play jihad cuz they find it to be fun. You can translate it to playing terrorists. It might be fun for you, but you have to realize that it might hurt people. Some things just have no place in an international game, and religious / rascist / opressive ideologies or the mentioning / advertising of said ideologies is just a prime example of the bigger DON'Ts of an MMO game. So yea.. i dont care if they get banner or just a slap on their wirsts for doing this, but CCP definitely has to deal with issues like this, before some moron starts the holy crusade against the goons just for fun and we end up playing medieval: eve before we realize whats happening. edit: just to clarify I dont give a damn what their websites say.. But the forums are full with this jihadswarm stuff and that i really find bad. So if they wanna play terrorists, fine. Just keep it off the forums / local. I completely disaggree with you here, they are simply roleplaying what has become normal practise in certain parts of the world, I don't see what would be wrong with someone starting a crusade against them as that's a very good idea and would be fun. And why can't they play terrorists, oh wait you said it might hurt some people, are you for ******* real, terrorists really do hurt people in the real world, this is the virtual world and if someone is hurt by someone else playing a terrorist then tbqfh they are pretty sad, and if you take your head out of the sand you will see that almost all games people play now a days involve playing a terrorist, did you forget the fact that religon is already a part of this game as is slavery. .... sig goes here!

III LightBringer Okkelen Grave Robbers	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Zwik Edited by: Zwik on 26/03/2008 15:04:47 Edited by: Zwik on 26/03/2008 15:03:57 Peace be upon everyone. Dear Crowd Control Productions (CCP), I would like to highlight a serious matter to you. The group of people who put up this website: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message .. are doing exactly what is banned according to you, as written in your policy. FACT Jihadswarm is misrepresenting Islam. How do I know this? I know this because I am a Muslim. Yes, be afraid now.. Here are a few false statements that have been made by Jihadswarm. :refer to http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message False Statement #1 "I am Karttoon, Shiekh of JihadSwarm and prophet of Allah" The truth: There is no prophet of Allah named Karttoon in Islam. False Statement #2 "Praise be to Allah, there is no god but allah, and Karttoon is his prophet!" The truth: Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his last and final prophet! VERDICT Therefore according to CCP's own SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY, they have flouted rule no 3.a and possibly rule 3.b WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW, CCP ? Jihadswarm's false statements and actions in EVE is detrimental to ISLAM. Why? Because what they do is opposite of what ISLAM teaches. They mis-use the name of Allah, they pervert the true meaning of Jihad, and make a mockery of all this. Jihad is never holy war. The meaning of Jihad is "to strive, to struggle", and totally not "holy war". JihadSwarm is behaving like Al-Qaeda. The real terrorists. Not the behaviour of a true Muslim. CCP your rules clearly state what is acceptable in this game. Will you then not act? Peace, A Muslim ------------------------------------------------------ CCP's SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY, Here: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/banning.asp 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-**, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. ------------------------------------------------------ fact on* Dear mister RL Muslim. This game takes place in the future, as in, tens of thousands of years from now, and the people in here, are races that left EARTH fact off Now, if we take this to an in game thing, I do not give a **** about your religion, because it is based on something that happend tens of thousands of years ago, and false prophets are all over the world. Any decent psych-ward have atleast a napoleon and a few jesus's... What stops Karttoon from claiming he have heard the 'voice'? You keep RL out of my game
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:35:00 - [32] Originally by: III LightBringer Any decent psych-ward have atleast a napoleon and a few jesus's... What stops Karttoon from claiming he have heard the 'voice'? Actually, the rules do. They state that Roleplay can not be used as justification for griefing. Just sayin'. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:37:00 - [33] Originally by: Avon Originally by: III LightBringer Any decent psych-ward have atleast a napoleon and a few jesus's... What stops Karttoon from claiming he have heard the 'voice'? Actually, the rules do. They state that Roleplay can not be used as justification for griefing. Just sayin'. However, suicide ganking has never counted as griefing in the entire history of Eve. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Fink Angel The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:37:00 - [34] This is exactly why RL politics and religious crossovers should be kept well, well away from Eve and definitely away from the forums. This thread will go horribly wrong and crash and burn when a mod locks it Real Soon Now (tm).
Omber Zombie Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:40:00 - [35] Quote: Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends. orly? I suppose it depends on which sub-sect of islam you are referring to ---------------------- The Amalgamated CSM Thread \| 1st Campaign Vid
Jimdoogan State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:40:00 - [36] Be real. The goons made it rain man parts in an ingame event in another mmo. It's what they do. The break stuff, mouth off, ruin gameplay for others sometimes. And on ocasion I've heard them say things small people should not hear. So what. You should hear what they call the Tractor Beam is TS. It rymes with Dew Maw.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:41:00 - [37] Edited by: Malar on 26/03/2008 15:42:19 Originally by: Lucas Avignon And why can't they play terrorists, oh wait you said it might hurt some people, are you for ******* real, terrorists really do hurt people in the real world, this is the virtual world and if someone is hurt by someone else playing a terrorist then tbqfh they are pretty sad, and if you take your head out of the sand you will see that almost all games people play now a days involve playing a terrorist, did you forget the fact that religon is already a part of this game as is slavery. Actually what i wanted to say is that they could just as well play terrorist, except that - unless they add rascist or anti-religious remarks to it - they wouldnt hurt muslims that way. They can all pretend to be minmatar terrorists working to free their enslaved brothers in amarr space for all i care. That would be plain roleplaying. They do pretend to wage a jihad against whatever they are fighting against. A jihad is not just playing terrorists, its playing fanatical religious zealots of a particular REAL WORLD religion. While it might still be roleplaying, it would be about as much roleplaying as me playing to be the newsreporter spreading false accusations about your mother. Role playing should not be used as an excuse to mask generally abusive behavior. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:41:00 - [38] Originally by: An Anarchyyt However, suicide ganking has never counted as griefing in the entire history of Eve. No, but insulting other player's faith does...
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Avon Actually, the rules do. They state that Roleplay can not be used as justification for griefing. Just sayin'. How are they griefing? warp drive active \| nature vraie
Raijin Iyo Nova Mining Manufacturing and Research LTD	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:43:00 - [40] you know, I haven't had an opinion on the the whole jihadswarm thing, but I think the parallels between their motives and real world terrorism that is perpetrated by religious extremists is in poor taste at best. Whether or not poor taste is a bannable offense, I don't know, but it seems like they are going out of their way to step on people's toes when they don't have to. It just really isn't that amusing.

Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Fink Angel This is exactly why RL politics and religious crossovers should be kept well, well away from Eve and definitely away from the forums. This thread will go horribly wrong and crash and burn when a mod locks it Real Soon Now (tm). QFT. Oh man QFT x 1000. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Ki Tetro Vanquish Inc	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:45:00 - [42] Griefing? There isnt any going on...... Banning for out of game website names, I dont see anything like that in the EULA.
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: An Anarchyyt However, suicide ganking has never counted as griefing in the entire history of Eve. No, but insulting other player's faith does... Nowhere do we say Islam is bad or anything, it is hardly our fault if people have thin skin and are just whiners. And every time one of you whines, another Goon is born. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Daylen Drazzi GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Avon Originally by: III LightBringer Any decent psych-ward have atleast a napoleon and a few jesus's... What stops Karttoon from claiming he have heard the 'voice'? Actually, the rules do. They state that Roleplay can not be used as justification for griefing. Just sayin'. Define griefing and compare that to what Jihadswarm is doing and then try to prove it. Obviously you can't, otherwise CCP would have banned Jihadswarm (they love banning members of Goonfleet, btw). We are playing within the limitations of the game using a legitimate tactic - deal with it. "Ya see us Goons neva lose, If we'r dead, we'r dead so nobody cares, If'n we win we'v won, so's only we cares If'n we run away we always come back later so Goons neva lose ya see?"
Hamfast Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:49:00 - [45] Little publicized fact about suicide bombings... the bomber dies most of the time...even if they kill nobody else... if they live they are referred to as "Failed Suicide Bomber" So if the Goons are "Role Playing" Suicide bombers, each attack should result in the deletion of the character used... --------*****-------- Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter... So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
Lateralus The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:49:00 - [46] So, does this mean we should ban all Amarr as well? For being defamatory to the Roman Catholic religion? pfft. This is 'PC' going too far.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:52:00 - [47] Originally by: An Anarchyyt it is hardly our fault if people have thin skin and are just whiners True, but irrelevant - the rules are still there to protect their thin in particular.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:54:00 - [48] To the OP - its a mockery, ignore it - posts like this just keep attention on something that's silly more than offensive. I feel your frustration on their use of terminology - and you have correctly defined 'jihad' - it's struggle, not holy war. However its perception that only matters, and jihad is perceived as a holy war - sometimes mockery comes across as reinforcing false perceptions. You should only be offended if they claimed something real (like claiming Karttoon was a prophet of Islam). Since Allah is just an Arabic word for God (of no religious denomination - Christian Arabs say Allah in Church services) - claiming Karttoon is a prophet of Allah (God) - should mean no more to you as a Muslim as someone proclaiming Bugs Bunny the Son of God. I doubt a Christian would be offended by someone claiming a holy trinity of Father, son and the holy rabbit. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:54:00 - [49] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Tippia Originally by: An Anarchyyt However, suicide ganking has never counted as griefing in the entire history of Eve. No, but insulting other player's faith does... Nowhere do we say Islam is bad or anything, it is hardly our fault if people have thin skin and are just whiners. And every time one of you whines, another Goon is born. If i shoot someone its hardly my fault they didnt wear a bulletproof west that day aye? Oh please. You never said Islam is a bad thing, you just twist its ideologies to use them for the purpose of a game. If you think that a muslim flips out by seeing a mohamed parody then what do you think does he feel when you talk about 'false prophets' of his faith as if they were ready. For you it is a 'game'. For him/her it is his/her life / the basis of it anyway. I doubt thats too hard to understand. It only takes little self control to know the line between stepping onto someones toe and avoiding it. You guys seem to be keen on intentionally stepping onto those toes. If you find it fun to intentionally try and mock other people / their beliefs, then at least do us the favor and try not to defend it by talking bullsht. If you do not agree with such practices, then think about your actions / how people might feel in response to them before you do anything. And to the other dimwit goon: this isnt about the people you kill. It is about the communication accompanying this little campaign of yours. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only*
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:54:00 - [50] ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.......... no, just no Goons are taking the ** out of themselves if anything, and if you want to attribute it to RL **-take, the nutjobs who do misrepresent Islam. (Love the Apoc image with the "This side towards enemy" ) -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'

Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Avon Actually, the rules do. They state that Roleplay can not be used as justification for griefing. Just sayin'. How are they griefing? It used to be that suicide ganking was allowed if it was done for profit, rather than just epic lulz. No idea if that has changed. It wasn't really my point though, I was more trying to point out that roleplay excuses are not allowed (which is kinda dumb in lots of situations). Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Omarvelous I doubt a Christian would be offended by someone claiming a holy trinity of Father, son and the holy rabbit. Blessed be the Holy Rabbit, for its tasty stew will nourish our souls warp drive active \| nature vraie
Heavyn Pegasus Reborn Research Corp 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:56:00 - [53] CCP law is law, or it is bull****..... there have been many a name changes due to improper use in reference to religion (I have 2 evemails that I can post myself) So fact is, if name change due to peoples God and improper reference is slammed down upon so quickly, the problem of an entire group of people abusing this should be adressed more quickly...., not neccesarely the mission of these people, but the name/use/referenses they use. It's that simple H Stalker...unfortunatly you arent as smart as me so I have to speak up.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Lateralus So, does this mean we should ban all Amarr as well? For being defamatory to the Roman Catholic religion? pfft. This is 'PC' going too far. Here is a key difference. CCP did not use the terms / ideologies of the catholic church for the purposes of the game, or at least altered them enough so that they are not obvious. Yes.. they might have similarities, but they are not the same. A guy pretending to be a holy warrior of islam fighting a jihad against carebears on the other hand is pretty straightforward. Not much room to question what he really means. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:00:00 - [55] I find the Goons' use of jihadist themes to be in particularly poor taste, especially as I believe the offense is intentional.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Heavyn CCP law is law, or it is bull***..... there have been many a name changes due to improper use in reference to religion (I have 2 evemails that I can post myself) So fact is, if name change due to peoples God and improper reference is slammed down upon so quickly, the problem of an entire group of people abusing this should be adressed more quickly...., not neccesarely the mission of these people, but the name/use/referenses they use. It's that simple H There's a massive difference between naming your character after Christ or the Prophet or any other religious figure on one hand, and using language reminiscent of cultural terminology on the other. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.*
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Avon It used to be that suicide ganking was allowed if it was done for profit, rather than just epic lulz. No idea if that has changed. It wasn't really my point though, I was more trying to point out that roleplay excuses are not allowed (which is kinda dumb in lots of situations). Indeed. The reason I raise the question is that they're not targeting a specific corporation, alliance, or individual. They're chasing down Hulk pilots. If that falls into the classic definition of griefing then everyone with an Interdictors Only overview setting is screwed. :) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:04:00 - [58] Originally by: Inconstant Moon I find the Goons' use of jihadist themes to be in particularly poor taste, especially as I believe the offense is intentional. The only thing the Goons have ever done that wasn't in poor taste was accept brand new pilots with no skills into the major alliance that is Goonswarm. Oh, and those YouTube videos they make.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:04:00 - [59] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Malar If i shoot someone its hardly my fault they didnt wear a bulletproof west that day aye? Action =/= words and ideas. If you're going to compare two things, at least make a relevant comparison. You thinking about pretending to be an islam extremist fighting a jihad is an idea. You saying you are waging a jihad against carebears is an action. Speaking words - FYI - is an action already. Not to mention that words can cause deeper wounds than bullets. So yea.. i guess my analogy was quite flawed. Originally by: An Anarchyyt I'll try and put it in simple terms for you. Words, do not have any power by thsemvles, they can not harm you, and they can not kill your by themselves. Actions on the other hand, it is not as if that other person had any say in how they'd react to a bullet going through them. You are just proving me wrong.. if words would have no power in themselves then you wouldnt feel the need to argue with me. The fact that people argue show that words indeed have power. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:05:00 - [60] I am not arguing with you. I was pointing out that your comparison is incorrect, I just can't think of the name of its logical fallacy. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:06:00 - [61] Originally by: An Anarchyyt CCP has said numerous times that as long as CONCORD destroys the ship, there is no exploit, or grief, or anything. Listen, I'm not trying to get in to an arguement over this, but there have also been plenty of times when they have made people stop attacks just for the sake it. When asked for clarification on the policy the response was that there had to be a motive other than just wanting to see a pretty explosion. The rules do not allow a roleplay motive (why?) such as a Jihad, but would allow an intention to effect mineral / ice prices as a valid reason. I personally have nothing against the current situation, but it does seem to be a technical infringement of the rules. I wouldn't want that to be used to get it stopped, but then is isn't my sensibilities being offended either. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:10:00 - [62] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/03/2008 16:10:18 But the fact is it isn't. CCP aren't these people's parents, and nothing wrong has been done here. If someone wrote some pseudo-religious Amarr thing in Latin or in Hebrew should Christian and Jews be offended? This really is just a case of whining for the sake of whining. I often wonder if these are the same people who get up and whine about video games that portray muslim extremism. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:17:00 - [63] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Omarvelous I doubt a Christian would be offended by someone claiming a holy trinity of Father, son and the holy rabbit. Blessed be the Holy Rabbit, for its tasty stew will nourish our souls Mmmmm - think about it - the Easter Bunny makes a whole lot more sense in a religious context now! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:19:00 - [64] Originally by: An Anarchyyt If someone wrote some pseudo-religious Amarr thing in Latin or in Hebrew should Christian and Jews be offended? No, because neither Latin nor Hebrew has anything to do with the Christian or Jewish religions.
CallieMuchin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:20:00 - [65] Guys you are missing the most important thing here. Celot is a dreamy hunk
Lateralus The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Zwik FACT Jihadswarm is misrepresenting Islam. How do I know this? I know this because I am a Muslim. Yes, be afraid now.. Fact: You do not speak for all Muslims. Fact: Some Muslims would violently oppose what you say, and have done. They have jihadswarm-esque suicide bombed enough people to show that you do NOT speak for all Muslims, you claiming to do so would probably put you on their short list. be afraid. Originally by: Zwik WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW, CCP ? Jihadswarm's false statements and actions in EVE is detrimental to ISLAM. Why? Because what they do is opposite of what ISLAM teaches. They mis-use the name of Allah, they pervert the true meaning of Jihad, and make a mockery of all this. Jihad is never holy war. The meaning of Jihad is "to strive, to struggle", and totally not "holy war". Really? Are you sure of all that you say? Can you prove it? or is all this hearsay? Many muslims (including ****'s group) say you're wrong. Who's to say who's right and who's wrong about the true* meaning of 'Jihad'? How can we bow to your request, simply because you play this video game, and they do not? (or perhaps they do gasp) Originally by: Zwik JihadSwarm is behaving like Al-Qaeda. The real terrorists. Not the behaviour of a true Muslim. Again, don't Al-Qaeda claim to be Muslim? Don't they claim to be 'true muslims'? What makes you more correct than them in their views? Originally by: Zwik Peace, A Muslim So... are you really a Muslim, or a carebear alt really really angry at loosing his Hulk? How will we ever know? And should that presumption be a basis for a few hundred people being banned? Just because a character 'professed' to be a 'correct' Muslim, and denounced what other Muslims deem to be 'correct'? A word of advice: Dont bring your real life into the game, it's a game for us all to enjoy - not a soapbox for your faith. If we start banning for religious rhetoric like this, it will never end, and you will eventually destroy our fun. Having said all that, I'm very religous myself, however, I wouldn't dare bring it into a game, and demand people be banned for role playing. That's just as bad as attacking embassies over Karttoons.
Jolliejoe Quad Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:23:00 - [67] oW Nice... now we have real life political crap entering the game... As if we don't game enough game crap politics already... :(
Lateralus The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:24:00 - [68] hahaha I just realized CCP has bowed to the politics: O S A M A is a censored word rofl! maybe he will get his way with his bans.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:30:00 - [69] Originally by: An Anarchyyt This really is just a case of whining for the sake of whining. I often wonder if these are the same people who get up and whine about video games that portray muslim extremism. Naturally you're befuddled; you probably spend most of your time holed up at SA where what passes for "humor" is coming up with new ways to combine "jew," "****" and "got" all day and patting yourselves on the back for how clever that is. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."*
facepalm johnson Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:30:00 - [70] Someone pass me my crayons, I feel a cartoon coming on.

PR0PAGANDA Raging Emo	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:30:00 - [71] might want to watch out for this one. coming from a religon that has people who wanted to kill over some cartoon pics in a newpaper and kill a teacher over a teddy bears name. I buy t2 building parts. Mail me offers.
JonLuc McPew Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:36:00 - [72] Quote: Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, It doesnt?? They sure seem to do a sh*tload of it...
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:38:00 - [73] Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 16:38:11 Edit: ahh nm. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Euriti SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:40:00 - [74] No Not really Now get off my internetz.
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:42:00 - [75] Edited by: Barzam on 26/03/2008 16:43:29 Originally by: Quelque Chose I think they should change the name of their thing to "Finalsolutionswarm" and spam "Juden 'Raus!" in local when they attack. The propaganda would be a lot better that way. They could work in a bunch of stuff about rich, filthy carebears manipulating the market, controlling the banks, funding communism and despoiling the purity of the races: the Plague of Insterstellar Carebearery. That way they could claim to be "deporting" carebears to Minmatar space too. Not to mention the snazzy uniforms. That would be fuggin hilarious I think. This guy nailed it IMO. If I saw this in-game I would be angry as **, and I'm not even jewish, so I can imagine their upset with it. I just hate **'s and racist crap with a vengeance. So I can understand where OP is coming from. It's probably an insult to his whole way of life and traditions even though Jihad and playing an islam fundamentalist may seem pretty tame from a christian point of view. Though, I don't mind all the suicide-ganking at all. Edit: also as you can see the term for a member of the national socialistic party in 30's germany is a censored term here, and yet jihad etc are not. Interesting to say the least.
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:46:00 - [76] Haha, wow. Sometimes I forget how thin skinned you pubbies are. JihadSwarm is funny, entertaining and the kind of dark humor we need in the world today. We are poking fun at a religion that wanted to hang a school teacher because her class named a teddy bear Muhammad. Think about that for a second before you tell us how awesome Islam is and how Goons are making a mockery. I think Islam is plenty capable of making a mockery of itself, we are just laughing along with it.
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:50:00 - [77] Originally by: Sertan Deras Haha, wow. Sometimes I forget how thin skinned you pubbies are. JihadSwarm is funny, entertaining and the kind of dark humor we need in the world today. We are poking fun at a religion that wanted to hang a school teacher because her class named a teddy bear Muhammad. Think about that for a second before you tell us how awesome Islam is and how Goons are making a mockery. I think Islam is plenty capable of making a mockery of itself, we are just laughing along with it. And all that is fine, except this is not the place to do it. Oh, and not everyone not in Goonswarm is a pubbie. In fact, I would guess that as you aren't actually in Goonfleet you are likely to be a pubbie. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
facepalm johnson Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:52:00 - [78] Originally by: Barzam This guy nailed it IMO. So how does the systematic slaughter of people by the Germans, for their religious beliefs, compare to a bunch of lunatics flying planes into skyscrapers for their religion?
Zcorm Narwarr Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:52:00 - [79] So where do you find the word Islam in jihadswarm page? You don't. Making a religious topic on these forums is forbidden for a good reason and to add to the fail you want to censor some people just because you don't like what they say. Im glad that you are not the one to decide the issue. This thread should be locked by the way.
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:52:00 - [80] Jihadswarm is vastly entertaining and bringing much to both the forums and the game. Now, I have no way of knowing if the Goons kill mails are real or not, but if they are killing just a few Chinese ISK farmers, then it was a success. Can't we all be happy with that ?

Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:53:00 - [81] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Sertan Deras Haha, wow. Sometimes I forget how thin skinned you pubbies are. JihadSwarm is funny, entertaining and the kind of dark humor we need in the world today. We are poking fun at a religion that wanted to hang a school teacher because her class named a teddy bear Muhammad. Think about that for a second before you tell us how awesome Islam is and how Goons are making a mockery. I think Islam is plenty capable of making a mockery of itself, we are just laughing along with it. And all that is fine, except this is not the place to do it. Oh, and not everyone not in Goonswarm is a pubbie. In fact, I would guess that as you aren't actually in Goonfleet you are likely to be a pubbie. Oh, I am totally a pubbie, from the word go. That said, I also understand the humor in these things, something many people (you included) seem not to. The world needs to take itself LESS seriously, not more. Learn to laugh a little, learn to realize it's really not that serious. What IS serious is a religion wanting to hang a school teacher over a teddy bear. Making fun of that kind of idiocy should be the natural human reaction.
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Sertan Deras Oh, I am totally a pubbie, from the word go. That said, I also understand the humor in these things, something many people (you included) seem not to. The world needs to take itself LESS seriously, not more. Learn to laugh a little, learn to realize it's really not that serious. What IS serious is a religion wanting to hang a school teacher over a teddy bear. Making fun of that kind of idiocy should be the natural human reaction. If I wanted to make jokes about this I would log on to my SA account and joke away, yak yak yak. However, I don't think that stuff needs to be spread around and thrust in the faces of people who don't want to be subject to it. It isn't about what is or isn't funny, it is about what is or isn't appropriate. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:57:00 - [83] Originally by: Avon If I wanted to make jokes about this I would log on to my SA account and joke away, yak yak yak. However, I don't think that stuff needs to be spread around and thrust in the faces of people who don't want to be subject to it. It isn't about what is or isn't funny, it is about what is or isn't appropriate. See, that's where we disagree. I think making fun of idiocy is ALWAYS appropriate, in any setting. So we can just agree to disagree on this.
Threv Echandari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:00:00 - [84] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 26/03/2008 17:01:09 Originally by: Raijin Iyo I don't know, but it seems like they are going out of their way to step on people's toes when they don't have to. It just really isn't that amusing. This^ and This Originally by: Malar Why make stupid comments / jokes about things that just do not belong to the game? Because you can? HELLO This is the Goons we are talking about This is their Modus Operandi for all intents and purposes. (Its so Meta you wouldn't get it) Just getting a rise out of someone is all it takes for them to be happy about their actions. The more offended you claim to be the happier they are. (Remember the Tastless WTC Sigs?) Disclaimer: I don't care about jihadswarm.. they provide me with entertainment value at times and I don't fly a hulk so I don't have a vested interest.. oh...IBTL Happiness is a Wet Pod
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:01:00 - [85] Originally by: Sertan Deras See, that's where we disagree. I think making fun of idiocy is ALWAYS appropriate, in any setting. Doesn't it get annoying having people make fun of you all the time? Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:03:00 - [86] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Sertan Deras See, that's where we disagree. I think making fun of idiocy is ALWAYS appropriate, in any setting. Doesn't it get annoying having people make fun of you all the time? :masterstroke:
Jakke Logan State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:06:00 - [87] I was wondering when this would get pointed out...
cpt rhodes Silver Eagles Imperium Aeternum	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:06:00 - [88] Everyone has a right to out their opinion on any religion in my opinion. They are not directly associating themselves with the islam, but with the terrorist group perhaps? I am catholic and if people mock christianity, that is up to them. I do not get angry about it and go and blow myself up. If these guys want to do this I have no problem with it, they have a right to do what they want and they are not directly annoying you.
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:08:00 - [89] I PM'd you a picture of Muhammed. Syrup
cpt rhodes Silver Eagles Imperium Aeternum	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:15:00 - [90] By the way, the statements that you refer to are on their website. It is not ingame or offensive to players ingame. EVE policy applys to people who are doing these things INGAME their website does not reflect apon their player behaviour ingame so go get your facts straight.

Primnproper Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:17:00 - [91] I'm not trying to go all tin foil hat or anything, but it wouldn't suprise me if one of the reasons CCP has stood back on this is because they merged with White Wolf, who have used the term jihad to mean 'blood war' in many of their pen and paper roleplay books, in relation to vampire in particular...
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:17:00 - [92] Originally by: cpt rhodes Everyone has a right to out their opinion on any religion in my opinion. They are not directly associating themselves with the islam, but with the terrorist group perhaps? I am catholic and if people mock christianity, that is up to them. I do not get angry about it and go and blow myself up. If these guys want to do this I have no problem with it, they have a right to do what they want and they are not directly annoying you. Actually people have a right to do that yea, but in certain environments where you are in a closed up space - like in a game - you are expected to avoid such topics as these only generate conflict. School, workplace, international chat rooms / games. These are just a few examples of places where you do not speak out your mind loudly. Not because you do not have the right to do it, but because noone CARES what you think. The best you can achieve is to step on someone's toe and make him upset. If people believe in something, oppose something, etc.. then go to demonstrations, spread fliers, hell blow something up if thats the only way to express yourself. JUST KEEP IT OUTSIDE WHEN GOING TO PLAY. It is a game, and the last thing we need is people bringing real world politics / religions into it. As if there isnt enough crp in this world already without listening to some half-educated moron cry jihad whenever he blows up something in a video game. For him it might be fun, for the X others watching / listening its disgusting. The rest just dont care. Is it worth it? Hardly. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only*
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:17:00 - [93] Beehead those who insult Goonswarm.
Moraguth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 26/03/2008 15:20:22 Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03 How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...? Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me. Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends. Also Zwik, I 100% agree with you and I've petitioned multiple racist posts to CCP which they've deleted and "warned" the Goonswarm members, but nothing really gets done in the end, and bringing a reasonable concern to this forum almost always ends up having immature and ignorant people voicing their uneducated opinions. Just petition them ingame whenever you see them doing something wrong for all the good that does. I mean I petitioned two names like 3 weeks ago because frankly I found them offensive: Achmed TheDeadTerrorist Achmed tha'Terrorist And I got a response within seconds and then nothing was done after. Yet my friend hasd his name deleted and reset to Minmatar Citizen145234 or some crap like that and his original name was "Groinbutterz". I've given up on MMOs when it comes to this kind of thing and I tend to take things into my own hands now. HAhahahaha, go look those names up on youtube or something. If those don't work, look up Jeff Dunham. Amazing comic ventriloquist. That's one of his characters. good game
Benilopax Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:21:00 - [95] Originally by: cpt rhodes By the way, the statements that you refer to are on their website. It is not ingame or offensive to players ingame. EVE policy applys to people who are doing these things INGAME their website does not reflect apon their player behaviour ingame so go get your facts straight. Actually the members of thatswarm have been rping muslim terrorists in local when they attack hulks. Not all of them but some of them. TBH there was one occasion where the language was quite offensive. However, I have no idea whether CCP dealt with those pilots at the time. I don't mind the attacks, or the website, I can choose to ignor those but I think proclaiming holy war verses capitalism in local is a bit too far.
Fuazzole Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:21:00 - [96] The media/world freely makes mockery of all relegions, Evangelists are mad, Catholic priests are peado's, Jew's are money grabbers, why not Muslim? cause were afraid of making em angry?
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:22:00 - [97] Originally by: Sertan Deras See, that's where we disagree. I think making fun of idiocy is ALWAYS appropriate, in any setting. So we can just agree to disagree on this. I think it's appropriate to fling my own excrement in public, and share the wonderful aromatic fruit of my bowels with my fellow man. Me and most of the rest of society are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
roadrage639 VITA. Imperium Aeternum	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:22:00 - [98] Edited by: roadrage639 on 26/03/2008 17:23:19 Originally by: Malar School, workplace, international chat rooms / games. These are just a few examples of places where you do not speak out your mind loudly. Not because you do not have the right to do it, but because noone CARES what you think. Then why are you *****ing about it if noone cares? You are now reading my Sig.
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:23:00 - [99] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Beehead those who insult Goonswarm. +1
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:27:00 - [100] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Sertan Deras See, that's where we disagree. I think making fun of idiocy is ALWAYS appropriate, in any setting. So we can just agree to disagree on this. I think it's appropriate to fling my own excrement in public, and share the wonderful aromatic fruit of my bowels with my fellow man. Me and most of the rest of society are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. Oh what an awesomely pubbie analogy. Because yes, throwing around your ****, causing a public health danger, is definitely just like making fun of religious extremists. Also, be careful when you talk about "the rest of society", because most people are of the opinion that society takes itself too seriously as a matter of course.

Cameron Vayle Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:31:00 - [101] Originally by: baltec1 I see it as them making fun of the extreamists who run around shouting this kind of dribble who tarnish Islam. Seriously religious people need to grow thicker skin, especialy those fundermental christians Interesting. Though I don't see the people you are telling to get a thicker skin car bombing and killing people around the world in the name of God. Do you?
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:33:00 - [102] Originally by: Sertan Deras Oh what an awesomely pubbie analogy. Because yes, throwing around your **, causing a public health danger, is definitely just like making fun of religious extremists. Hey, you're kind of thick aren't you? That's OK, I'm here to help. While it may be true that you can get all kinds of icky diseases from human waste (not mine -- I eat chlorine tabs every day), the fact is that the first thing you think about when you see isn't that it's dangerous, it's that it's obnoxious, smelly and in almost every way undesirable. Much like your very important opinion about politics and religion. Quote:** Also, be careful when you talk about "the rest of society", because most people are of the opinion that society takes itself too seriously as a matter of course. Here's another one who could probably do with a break from SA and a healthy dose of Outside(tm). ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Securion Wolfheart Not Like Most	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:37:00 - [103] Someone said: "Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain." I think many agree on that. Tbh, if your imaginary friend is taking offense for someone making jokes about them; let him/her speak up and tell us? Until then, most of us will just treat you religious nuts as nuts and laugh at you. After all, YOU are the kinda ppl that belong in a mental institution. You dont deserve anything but contempt after all the hundreds and thousands of years of murder, theft, rape, torture and war you have brought down on humanity. And im not only talking about Islam, im talking about almost ALL religions. They are all **** and deserve to be ridiculed. Forever. The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns...
Esmenet Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:38:00 - [104] Hope the goons get tired of their trolling crusade in the general forum soon.
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:38:00 - [105] Edited by: Sertan Deras on 26/03/2008 17:38:49 Originally by: Quelque Chose Here's another one who could probably do with a break from SA and a healthy dose of Outside(tm). That's pretty funny, because I don't have an SA account. Never even been there. If you don't realize that society, and humans, take themselves too seriously, that's a you problem. I am going to continue to laugh at extremists, and you, for taking yourselves, and your "faith", so seriously. In the mean time, you can continue to make poo flinging analogies, which I will continue to mock and laugh at.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:38:00 - [106] Originally by: PR0PAGANDA might want to watch out for this one. coming from a religon that has people who wanted to kill over some cartoon pics in a newpaper and kill a teacher over a teddy bears name. Yes - that's right - just label and group 1 billion people on Earth to this mentality - congratulations you're completely ignorant! I suppose I could make statements like you and I'll go about brandishing every Catholic as a closet pedophile, every Jew as a money grabber, and every black person for a thug... Get educated... Originally by: JonLuc McPew Quote: Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, It doesnt?? They sure seem to do a sh*tload of it... Get yourself a history book/newspaper - religious extremists committing acts of violence in their Religion's name occur regardless of religion. I mean all I see in the news is how some priest molested a kid - do I make the presumption, Catholicism endorses molesting? I see in the news how another black guy committed a crime - sure seems like 'their kind' are violent - perhaps black people endorse violence... I knew this thread would spiral down into bigotry - thanks for proving it! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:40:00 - [107] Originally by: Sertan Deras That's pretty funny, because I don't have an SA account. Never even been there. If you don't realize that society, and humans, take themselves too seriously, that's a you problem. I am going to continue to laugh at extremists, and you, for taking yourselves, and your "faith", so seriously. In the mean time, you can continue to make poo flinging analogies, which I will continue to mock and laugh at. There you go, take the moral highground. That'll mitigate the irony for sure. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:40:00 - [108] Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: baltec1 I see it as them making fun of the extreamists who run around shouting this kind of dribble who tarnish Islam. Seriously religious people need to grow thicker skin, especialy those fundermental christians Interesting. Though I don't see the people you are telling to get a thicker skin car bombing and killing people around the world in the name of God. Do you? We don't see Muslims doing it around the world either, and where we do see it it's still generally outshined in frequency by random rocket or mortar attacks, or IED emplacement. Not that it really matters to this discussion anyway. I think it's been established that the Goons aren't violating any Eve rules with their Jihadswarm thingy, so this thread has run its course. Anyway I'll shut up now and get back to watching what has become personal attack thread of the day.
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:42:00 - [109] Originally by: Omarvelous Get yourself a history book/newspaper - religious extremists committing acts of violence in their Religion's name occur regardless of religion. I mean all I see in the news is how some priest molested a kid - do I make the presumption, Catholicism endorses molesting? I see in the news how another black guy committed a crime - sure seems like 'their kind' are violent - perhaps black people endorse violence... I knew this thread would spiral down into bigotry - thanks for proving it! When people do idiotic things (blow themselves up, touch little boys, kick people out of their apartments with raised rent, burn people at the stake) they deserve to be laughed at and mocked, by everyone. That's not bigotry, that's checks and balances against extremist idiots like that ruling the roost. And if Muslim's are so cute and fuzzy, where are the moderate Sheiks? Why aren't they speaking up more? Oh, that's right, because even Muhammad himself preached conversion by the sword. It's a religious tenant of Islam. Oops.
Cameron Vayle Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:43:00 - [110] Originally by: Hamfast Little publicized fact about suicide bombings... the bomber dies most of the time...even if they kill nobody else... if they live they are referred to as "Failed Suicide Bomber" So if the Goons are "Role Playing" Suicide bombers, each attack should result in the deletion of the character used... As some are so fond of saying... THIS!

Sertan Deras Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:44:00 - [111] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Sertan Deras That's pretty funny, because I don't have an SA account. Never even been there. If you don't realize that society, and humans, take themselves too seriously, that's a you problem. I am going to continue to laugh at extremists, and you, for taking yourselves, and your "faith", so seriously. In the mean time, you can continue to make poo flinging analogies, which I will continue to mock and laugh at. There you go, take the moral highground. That'll mitigate the irony for sure. Not exactly sure where I am taking the morale high ground, unless the morale high ground is to continue to laugh at you. In which case, right on.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:46:00 - [112] Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Hamfast Little publicized fact about suicide bombings... the bomber dies most of the time...even if they kill nobody else... if they live they are referred to as "Failed Suicide Bomber" So if the Goons are "Role Playing" Suicide bombers, each attack should result in the deletion of the character used... As some are so fond of saying... THIS! Pod pilots never die. You can only suicide your ship in Eve, not yourself.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:46:00 - [113] Originally by: Sertan Deras Not exactly sure where I am taking the morale high ground, unless the morale high ground is to continue to laugh at you. In which case, right on. It doesn't surprise me that you don't get it, you seem like a pretty confused individual. Have fun running around calling people "pubbies" though. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Won Swunglow Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:52:00 - [114] On behalf of Elohim, I fully endorse this thread.
Vulchev School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:58:00 - [115] facepalm
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:14:00 - [116] I think GoonSwarm shoved poor taste here. The fact that they excuse themselves with something akin to "He did it first" doesn't elevate them in my opinion.
Leferati Mercantile Club Research	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:21:00 - [117] the servers are in london so the act would cover this . 3.4 Incitement to Racial and Religious Hatred The problem of illegal, harmful, distasteful or offensive content on FE or HE computer systems or the internet is of course not restricted to ***ography. Internet content exists which contravenes the rules enacted to prevent the making of anti-religious statements (the law of blasphemy), the making of racist or inflammatory statements (incitement to racial hatred or "hate speech" rules - Race Relations Act 1976) and the making of politically subversive or seditious statements. Incitement to racial hatred is governed by section 21 of the Public Order Act 1986 which states that it is an offence for a person to publish or distribute material which is threatening or abusive or insulting if: it is intended thereby to stir up racial hatred, or * having regard to all the circumstances, racial hatred is likely to be stirred thereby. The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 gained Royal Assent on 16 February 2006. The Act makes it illegal to threaten people because of their religion, or to stir up hatred against a person because of their faith. It is designed to fill gaps in the current laws, which makes it illegal to threaten people on the basis of race or ethnic background. This Act extends to England and Wales only. The Crime and Disorder Act 1998 created new racially aggravated harassment and public order offences and came into force on 30 September 1998. For each of these new offences, the maximum penalty is higher than the maximum for the basic offence without the element of racial aggravation. What is involved is that either at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim hostility based on the victim's membership (or presumed membership) of a racial group. Or where the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial group based on their membership of that group. Inciting either racial or religious hatred is therefore a criminal offence. Publishing and disseminating online materials that are likely to incite such hatred is also a criminal offence. Such incidents should be reported to the police. As corporate entities FE and HE institutions have a responsibility not to publish and disseminate racist materials in any format including electronically. As well as the likely reputational damage, as public authorities, FE and HE institutions have a general statutory duty under The Race Relations Act 1976 (as amended), in carrying out their functions, to consider the need to eliminate unlawful discrimination and to promote equality of opportunity and good relations between people of different racial groups.
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:23:00 - [118] If Allah is the one true God and all non-believers are infidels destine for damnation, then I don't think Islam really has much to worry about from the rantings of Goons.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:24:00 - [119] hey guys amarr are racists lets ban ccp!
Raijin Iyo Nova Mining Manufacturing and Research LTD	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:29:00 - [120] Originally by: Sertan Deras Originally by: Omarvelous Get yourself a history book/newspaper - religious extremists committing acts of violence in their Religion's name occur regardless of religion. I mean all I see in the news is how some priest molested a kid - do I make the presumption, Catholicism endorses molesting? I see in the news how another black guy committed a crime - sure seems like 'their kind' are violent - perhaps black people endorse violence... I knew this thread would spiral down into bigotry - thanks for proving it! When people do idiotic things (blow themselves up, touch little boys, kick people out of their apartments with raised rent, burn people at the stake) they deserve to be laughed at and mocked, by everyone. That's not bigotry, that's checks and balances against extremist idiots like that ruling the roost. And if Muslim's are so cute and fuzzy, where are the moderate Sheiks? Why aren't they speaking up more? Oh, that's right, because even Muhammad himself preached conversion by the sword. It's a religious tenant of Islam. Oops. I don't think laughing at pedophiles and suicide bombers is a real effective check and balance.

An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:29:00 - [121] Originally by: Leferati the servers are in london so the act would cover this . You sir, have shown that you know a lot about law, and I am sure know a ton about what it is you just posted, and international law. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:30:00 - [122] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Leferati the servers are in london so the act would cover this . You sir, have shown that you know a lot about law, and I am sure know a ton about what it is you just posted, and international law. lol
Zissou Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:39:00 - [123] 'Suicide' ganking has been ingame for a while and as a 'feature' of the game mechanics, I suppose that's fine. A problem arises when players attach radical religious overtones to this feature, name themselves after quasi religious stereotypes and use ingame links to websites that project radical religious songs/terminology etc. I'm not sure how CCP feels about these events, but I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before more vocal and less sympathetic elements of society (not connected to the mmorpg scene) become aware of whats happening and begin to voice their own opinions. If I was CCP, I'd be very, very, pro-active at removing any radical religious references from the game - even if they are intended as harmless parody. It's not smart, clever or funny and it's certainly not enriching the game or projecting a positive image.
UGWidowmaker Setenta Corp Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:41:00 - [124] Edited by: UGWidowmaker on 26/03/2008 18:43:07 please dont take your religion here long live the freedom of speech.. OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Leferati Mercantile Club Research	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:41:00 - [125] the dont need international law to go after the people making the comments they mearly have to stop the way they are doing it, which in this case is computer hardware located in london.
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:42:00 - [126] Originally by: Zissou 'Suicide' ganking has been ingame for a while and as a 'feature' of the game mechanics, I suppose that's fine. A problem arises when players attach radical religious overtones to this feature, name themselves after quasi religious stereotypes and use ingame links to websites that project radical religious songs/terminology etc. I'm not sure how CCP feels about these events, but I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before more vocal and less sympathetic elements of society (not connected to the mmorpg scene) become aware of whats happening and begin to voice their own opinions. If I was CCP, I'd be very, very, pro-active at removing any radical religious references from the game - even if they are intended as harmless parody. It's not smart, clever or funny and it's certainly not enriching the game or projecting a positive image. I don't really think CCP has much to fear economically from losing it's consumer base in Iran.
Securion Wolfheart Not Like Most	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:44:00 - [127] Originally by: Zissou 'Suicide' ganking has been ingame for a while and as a 'feature' of the game mechanics, I suppose that's fine. A problem arises when players attach radical religious overtones to this feature, name themselves after quasi religious stereotypes and use ingame links to websites that project radical religious songs/terminology etc. I'm not sure how CCP feels about these events, but I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before more vocal and less sympathetic elements of society (not connected to the mmorpg scene) become aware of whats happening and begin to voice their own opinions. If I was CCP, I'd be very, very, pro-active at removing any radical religious references from the game - even if they are intended as harmless parody. It's not smart, clever or funny and it's certainly not enriching the game or projecting a positive image. So what your saying is that because of these nutcases, with their imaginary friends, the rest of humanity must adapt to their demands of respect for them? Never. The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns...
Dealth Striker Striker Ltd	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:49:00 - [128] Originally by: Inconstant Moon I find the Goons' use of jihadist themes to be in particularly poor taste, especially as I believe the offense is intentional. I totally agree. Also, I think it is bad taste that CCP puts up an article on the logon page discussing it :(
Talkuth Rel Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:50:00 - [129] For anyone claiming the OP needs to leave RL out of the game, may I suggest that jihadswarm borught RL into the game, and the OP's intent is rather to remove it. Do I think the swarm's actions are in bad taste? Yes. Is it bannable? Probably not. If you want to claim the defense that they are roleplaying terrorists, I say great, let CCP facilitate their roleplaying. Let's make all self-proclaimed members of terrorist organizations shoot on sight for Concord.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:52:00 - [130] Originally by: Talkuth Rel For anyone claiming the OP needs to leave RL out of the game, may I suggest that jihadswarm borught RL into the game, and the OP's intent is rather to remove it. Do I think the swarm's actions are in bad taste? Yes. Is it bannable? Probably not. If you want to claim the defense that they are roleplaying terrorists, I say great, let CCP facilitate their roleplaying. Let's make all self-proclaimed members of terrorist organizations shoot on sight for Concord. How does Concord classify players as terrorists?

Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:53:00 - [131] Originally by: Fuazzole The media/world freely makes mockery of all relegions, Evangelists are mad, Catholic priests are peado's, Jew's are money grabbers, why not Muslim? cause were afraid of making em angry? Becuase the media/world does not have a EULA that forbids it
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:54:00 - [132] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Leferati the servers are in london so the act would cover this . You sir, have shown that you know a lot about law, and I am sure know a ton about what it is you just posted, and international law. The servers are in the UK and are therefore subject to UK law. However, I do not believe the Goons have done anything illegal, they just have extremely poor taste. It could indeed be a PR disaster for CCP should anyone in the media care to make it so. But I doubt they will, after all, who in the real world gives a flying turd about Goons?
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:54:00 - [133] Originally by: Securion Wolfheart Originally by: Zissou 'Suicide' ganking has been ingame for a while and as a 'feature' of the game mechanics, I suppose that's fine. A problem arises when players attach radical religious overtones to this feature, name themselves after quasi religious stereotypes and use ingame links to websites that project radical religious songs/terminology etc. I'm not sure how CCP feels about these events, but I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before more vocal and less sympathetic elements of society (not connected to the mmorpg scene) become aware of whats happening and begin to voice their own opinions. If I was CCP, I'd be very, very, pro-active at removing any radical religious references from the game - even if they are intended as harmless parody. It's not smart, clever or funny and it's certainly not enriching the game or projecting a positive image. So what your saying is that because of these nutcases, with their imaginary friends, the rest of humanity must adapt to their demands of respect for them? Never. Why stop there? Why should we respect anyone who uses violence? The fact that Concord condone wars in Empire makes me sick to the stomach.
Talkuth Rel Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:54:00 - [134] Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Talkuth Rel For anyone claiming the OP needs to leave RL out of the game, may I suggest that jihadswarm borught RL into the game, and the OP's intent is rather to remove it. Do I think the swarm's actions are in bad taste? Yes. Is it bannable? Probably not. If you want to claim the defense that they are roleplaying terrorists, I say great, let CCP facilitate their roleplaying. Let's make all self-proclaimed members of terrorist organizations shoot on sight for Concord. How does Concord classify players as terrorists? As I said, self-proclaimed. By joining a group such as jihadswarm, they've declared themselves terrorists. The players make a big stink about being such terrorists both on the forums and in ingame chat, so the intentions of the group are clear.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:55:00 - [135] Edited by: Omarvelous on 26/03/2008 18:55:48 Originally by: Sertan Deras Originally by: Omarvelous Get yourself a history book/newspaper - religious extremists committing acts of violence in their Religion's name occur regardless of religion. I mean all I see in the news is how some priest molested a kid - do I make the presumption, Catholicism endorses molesting? I see in the news how another black guy committed a crime - sure seems like 'their kind' are violent - perhaps black people endorse violence... I knew this thread would spiral down into bigotry - thanks for proving it! When people do idiotic things (blow themselves up, touch little boys, kick people out of their apartments with raised rent, burn people at the stake) they deserve to be laughed at and mocked, by everyone. That's not bigotry, that's checks and balances against extremist idiots like that ruling the roost. And if Muslim's are so cute and fuzzy, where are the moderate Sheiks? Why aren't they speaking up more? Oh, that's right, because even Muhammad himself preached conversion by the sword. It's a religious tenant of Islam. Oops. Man I was trying to be light hearted about this post but you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. I originally said that this jihadswarm thing shouldn't be offensive to Muslims because it isn't claiming anything about the real life religion - its a silly mockery of extremists. As for your clueless post... When people do idiotic things - anyone can make fun of them (I do so myself). The Darwin awards for example - I laugh at those people - I don't take a swiping generalization about that person's group and label it. When you group everyone under a label, under a stereotype - that's bigotry. I don't see a crime committed by a black guy and automatically assume their entire race is more prone to violence (bigots do). Nor do I make minstrel plays to mock black people based on what some individuals do. Do you see what I'm saying about making sweeping generalizations about Muslims? As for moderate sheiks - they're there, and they speak out about it. Its just not exciting enough for the mainstream media to report on it. The extremists of any group get all the media attention because they have a high shock factor - moderates calling for common sense is boring and doesn't sell. THAT's why you don't see moderate's speaking out - they are you're just not seeing it on the news. Conversion by the sword? Read up on Spain's history - it was ruled by Muslims for hundreds of years in a society tolerant of Jews and Christians - no forced conversions. Compare that to the Medieval Europe with Inquisitions that surrounded it. Do I jump to the conclusion that Christianity is a violent religion with violence as a tenet because of what the crusades, and the Inquisition brought about? No - but I could using your myopic logic. Your lack of education is stinking up this thread quite nicely. Oops __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
UGWidowmaker Setenta Corp Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:55:00 - [136] damn i would love to showa cartoon drawing right now.. try see some fun instead of that dark bitter side.. OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:57:00 - [137] Originally by: Talkuth Rel For anyone claiming the OP needs to leave RL out of the game, may I suggest that jihadswarm borught RL into the game, and the OP's intent is rather to remove it. Do I think the swarm's actions are in bad taste? Yes. Is it bannable? Probably not. If you want to claim the defense that they are roleplaying terrorists, I say great, let CCP facilitate their roleplaying. Let's make all self-proclaimed members of terrorist organizations shoot on sight for Concord. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighters. You insult all Islam by suggesting that Goons are roleplaying terrorists simply because they use "Jihad" in their definition. You sir are a bigot for thinking that any use of the term equates to terrorism.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:00:00 - [138] Originally by: Inconstant Moon Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Leferati the servers are in london so the act would cover this . You sir, have shown that you know a lot about law, and I am sure know a ton about what it is you just posted, and international law. The servers are in the UK and are therefore subject to UK law. However, I do not believe the Goons have done anything illegal, they just have extremely poor taste. It could indeed be a PR disaster for CCP should anyone in the media care to make it so. But I doubt they will, after all, who in the real world gives a flying turd about Goons? Wouldn't you say that's it's extremely poor taste to kill human beings by podding their space capsule not to mention the destruction of property done by npc ships when they destroy player ships. It's outrageous.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:01:00 - [139] Originally by: Omarvelous longwinded diatribe Posts like this are just another reason why you shouldn't bring politics and religion to videogame town. Thanks goons. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:02:00 - [140] Originally by: Talkuth Rel Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Talkuth Rel For anyone claiming the OP needs to leave RL out of the game, may I suggest that jihadswarm borught RL into the game, and the OP's intent is rather to remove it. Do I think the swarm's actions are in bad taste? Yes. Is it bannable? Probably not. If you want to claim the defense that they are roleplaying terrorists, I say great, let CCP facilitate their roleplaying. Let's make all self-proclaimed members of terrorist organizations shoot on sight for Concord. How does Concord classify players as terrorists? As I said, self-proclaimed. By joining a group such as jihadswarm, they've declared themselves terrorists. The players make a big stink about being such terrorists both on the forums and in ingame chat, so the intentions of the group are clear. So terrorists who do not proclaim themselves as such can just go about their business and keep terrorizing people? That's a gigantic double standard right there.

Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:02:00 - [141] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Omarvelous longwinded diatribe Posts like this are just another reason why you shouldn't bring politics and religion to videogame town. Thanks goons. If you ask me you shouldn't bring in violence either. Thanks CCP .
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:04:00 - [142] Originally by: Moon Kitten Wouldn't you say that's it's extremely poor taste to kill human beings by podding their space capsule not to mention the destruction of property done by npc ships when they destroy player ships. It's outrageous. Ain't it the truth? I get so sick of seeing that plastered all over the news every day, not to mention all the talking head editorialists braying over each other afterwards about it. I play video games to get away from all the outer space violence in real life, why do they have to crap all over my fun time with it? ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:10:00 - [143] Originally by: Moon Kitten I have to agree. Why CCP made it possible to shoot other players or destroy their ships when people just want to relax and get away from the violence beats me. It would help a lot if they just removed all weapons from the game to be quite honest. I know. Just the other day some maniac killed a family of four flying his spaceship drunk down my street and didn't even have the decency to offer a ransom. Really these games are just teaching people how to shoot up their school with a rifter. PS you're a moron. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Usagi Toshiro Fringe Financial and Industries	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:10:00 - [144] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I'm a satanist and I am offended by the OP's religion. BAN HIM!!! My sig speaks for this thread Agnosticism ftw.
Zissou Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:14:00 - [145] Originally by: Omarvelous I originally said that this jihadswarm thing shouldn't be offensive to Muslims because it isn't claiming anything about the real life religion - its a silly mockery of extremists. Just as cartoons in a Dutch newspaper were attempting to add to a wider debate concerning criticism of Islam?
Fyrewyre Havoc Inc	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:16:00 - [146] This has to be a joke. Methinks someone got some gankage by a goon. In before lock \o/ ------------------------------------------- "Never let anyone stop you having fun" Mad Snoz, leeds
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:18:00 - [147] Originally by: Moon Kitten So terrorists who do not proclaim themselves as such can just go about their business and keep terrorizing people? That's a gigantic double standard right there. Actually it is called terrorism because you fear them doing bad things to you. So terrorists are only a problem if they target you. Sure we can debate the moral implications of picking civilian targets as part of waging war, but thats a different kind of discussion. Military in history has proven to be negligent of civilians more than enough times for this issue not to be that straightforward. So as the guy said: someone's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Just as someone's conqueror is another man's liberator. Its all a matter of personal judgement and exactly thats why it should be banned from being discussed / mentioned on the boards. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:19:00 - [148] Can someone please declare a jihad on this stupid thread? ffs
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:20:00 - [149] Edited by: Omarvelous on 26/03/2008 19:21:31 Originally by: Zissou Originally by: Omarvelous I originally said that this jihadswarm thing shouldn't be offensive to Muslims because it isn't claiming anything about the real life religion - its a silly mockery of extremists. Just as cartoons in a Dutch newspaper were attempting to add to a wider debate concerning criticism of Islam? I thought the reaction was stupid - if no one knew what the prophet looked like, what offense could you get from a cartoon. It can't be more offensive than cartoons on Jesus or any other religious icon. I can't care less about the jihadswarm thing, its goofy to me. I just didn't care for some posts in this thread that grouped a billion people into 1 thing based on the actions of a tiny minority. To be honest I'm getting too serious on a space ship forum - I'm done with this thread. People can say whatever garbage they want - I don't have any interest in defending one group or another. I'm going to go fly some computer pixels and hope they make your computer pixels flash blue! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:23:00 - [150] Originally by: Zissou Edited by: Zissou on 26/03/2008 19:17:14 Originally by: Omarvelous I originally said that this jihadswarm thing shouldn't be offensive to Muslims because it isn't claiming anything about the real life religion - its a silly mockery of extremists. Just as cartoons in a Dutch newspaper were attempting to add to a wider debate concerning criticism of Islam? There is a difference between taking the **** and freedom of expression. If the cartoons had a jewish person insted of a muslim person, under Dutch law, the cartoonist would be put in jail. This bias was seised upon by extreamists and the media made a circus to sell more newspapers.

Heavyn Pegasus Reborn Research Corp 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:31:00 - [151] You know, with the movement towards political correctness in the world, This could actually be taken care of with a phone call and a $50 letter from a laywer. Stalker...unfortunatly you arent as smart as me so I have to speak up.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:35:00 - [152] Originally by: UGWidowmaker long live the freedom of speech.. The game is owned by CCP, which is a private entity - you have no freedoms in the game except the ones they give to you. Freedom of speech is not one of them.
Digital Solaris Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:37:00 - [153] munch munch Popcorn anyone?
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:37:00 - [154] I like how CCP sides with the strong and laughs at the weak ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
Johli AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:39:00 - [155] Edited by: Johli on 26/03/2008 19:38:58 162rd in an epic thread. edit, i phail at counting.
Higgs Foton Die industries	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:48:00 - [156] I liked the Jihadswarm, but knowing muslims get offended by it, makes me like it even more. Ah come on, offended because they play around a little bit with that fairytale you seem to need to comfort your bleak existence? Epic fail i say. ___________________________________
Damitre Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:53:00 - [157] Originally by: Digital Solaris munch munch Popcorn anyone? I'll have some! ~Lmao
Exile Devaltos One Eyed Teddies	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:58:00 - [158] Edited by: Exile Devaltos on 26/03/2008 20:00:17 I hope CCP ignores this idiotic thread. edit I take that back. Why isn't this thread deleted and the OP issued a warning/ban? There should be NO religious discussion here. /signed by an atheist Originally by: Wrangler Thats odd, I always drink after dealing with you people..
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:00:00 - [159] Originally by: Omarvelous Yes - that's right - just label and group 1 billion people on Earth to this mentality - congratulations you're completely ignorant! I always thought people who were into the whole jihad and terrorism thing was just a fringe group, but now you're saying they're 1 _billion_ people?... Damn... Now I'm seriously scared... I owe Bush and the neocons an apology. ;( --- Author of rTorrent, the BitTorrent client for real men and mice.
Jakke Logan State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:03:00 - [160] This thread is a perfect example why the whole "jihadswarm" thing is a bad idea, especially since it was blessed by CCP by making it a news feature. Allowing real world politics or religion into a game is ALWAYS a bad idea.

Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:03:00 - [161] This may be true, however it isn't on CCP's website, it's out of their control. As for in game refrences to this, that's a different story. Noting myself as an aethist beforehand, I do like Islam more than Christianity simply because it teaches better morals. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:06:00 - [162] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Noting myself as an aethist beforehand, I do like Islam more than Christianity simply because it teaches better morals. true. Stone the infidels who will not convert !!!
Kyreax Neuronix	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:06:00 - [163] Why are people so darn sensitive about their religions? That's why the world is always at war. I'll tell you what: If God calls them and tells them to knock it off, they should listen. Otherwise, don't pretend to speak for God, Allah, or even your religion. --------------------------------------------------- It's a Templar, an Amarr Fighter used by Carriers.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:08:00 - [164] Originally by: Von Ulrich Originally by: Atomos Darksun Noting myself as an aethist beforehand, I do like Islam more than Christianity simply because it teaches better morals. true. Stone the infidels who will not convert !!! Setting aside the fact that the Quran does not command this, there are equally violent commandments in the Bible. Stoning disobedient children for example.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:08:00 - [165] Even tough you don't have to respect a persons opinions, doesn't mean you shouldn't respect his right to have them or be disrespectfull. To all the ****s here telling people they are morons just because they believe in something, grow up. If you really care so much about whatever message you are trying to convey, why don't you go door to door and try to sell it.
Pithecanthropus Republic University	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:12:00 - [166] signed... ban them ... but ya know they'll just change the name and keep doing it. I agree though, using that name is very disrespectful. However, can CCP enforce out-of-game webpage? I mean, are they actually using religious references in the game? I don't know. I'm clueless.
Pithecanthropus Republic University	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:13:00 - [167] Originally by: Inertial Even tough you don't have to respect a persons opinions, doesn't mean you shouldn't respect his right to have them or be disrespectfull. To all the ****s here telling people they are morons just because they believe in something, grow up. If you really care so much about whatever message you are trying to convey, why don't you go door to door and try to sell it. I quote idiots.
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:17:00 - [168] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Von Ulrich true. Stone the infidels who will not convert !!! Setting aside the fact that the Quran does not command this, there are equally violent commandments in the Bible. Stoning disobedient children for example. Good stone the Goons and disobedient children then, I don't care as long as the rivers flow with the blood of the non-believers and infidels !!!
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:52:00 - [169] Originally by: Dirk Magnum ... there are equally violent commandments in the Bible. Stoning disobedient children for example. Never mind all the lopping off of fore.skins from defeated enemies. Now there's conversion by the sword!
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:02:00 - [170] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Scoundrelus Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends. Theres no such thing as bad publicity. Tell that to Micheal Barrymore. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<

Talkuth Rel Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:06:00 - [171] Originally by: Von Ulrich Originally by: Talkuth Rel For anyone claiming the OP needs to leave RL out of the game, may I suggest that jihadswarm borught RL into the game, and the OP's intent is rather to remove it. Do I think the swarm's actions are in bad taste? Yes. Is it bannable? Probably not. If you want to claim the defense that they are roleplaying terrorists, I say great, let CCP facilitate their roleplaying. Let's make all self-proclaimed members of terrorist organizations shoot on sight for Concord. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighters. You insult all Islam by suggesting that Goons are roleplaying terrorists simply because they use "Jihad" in their definition. You sir are a bigot for thinking that any use of the term equates to terrorism. You sir, are an idiot. Suggesting they are playing terrorists has nothing to do with the name of the group, the players themselves have made the claim that they are roleplaying terrorists and suicide bombers. In what twisted bastardization of logic does my repeating their own self-characterization make me a bigot? Get a clue or go away.
Talkuth Rel Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:07:00 - [172] Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Talkuth Rel Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Talkuth Rel For anyone claiming the OP needs to leave RL out of the game, may I suggest that jihadswarm borught RL into the game, and the OP's intent is rather to remove it. Do I think the swarm's actions are in bad taste? Yes. Is it bannable? Probably not. If you want to claim the defense that they are roleplaying terrorists, I say great, let CCP facilitate their roleplaying. Let's make all self-proclaimed members of terrorist organizations shoot on sight for Concord. How does Concord classify players as terrorists? As I said, self-proclaimed. By joining a group such as jihadswarm, they've declared themselves terrorists. The players make a big stink about being such terrorists both on the forums and in ingame chat, so the intentions of the group are clear. So terrorists who do not proclaim themselves as such can just go about their business and keep terrorizing people? That's a gigantic double standard right there. It has nothing to do with any standard, double or otherwise. I only suggested that if these players want to roleplay terrorists, then CCP should encourage their roleplay and enhance their experience with a realistic response. Stop overdramatizing everything and you'll be a lot happier in life, I promise.
Kale Kold Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:09:00 - [173] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Scoundrelus Muslim faith doesn't endorse suicide bombing, which is the message Goonswarm sends. Theres no such thing as bad publicity. Tell that to Micheal Barrymore. ROFLMAO!!!
VinkNut Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:15:00 - [174] Let me say - Sleeping beauty is fat & I dont see how insulting characters from fairy tales is damaging anyone
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:16:00 - [175] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/03/2008 21:16:37 Originally by: VinkNut Let me say - Sleeping beauty is fat & I dont see how insulting characters from fairy tales is damaging anyone Because it hurts childrens' feelings.
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:27:00 - [176] BTW, Aladdin approves of Jihadswarm ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:27:00 - [177] Originally by: Malar Some things just have no place in an international game, and religious / rascist / opressive ideologies or the mentioning / advertising of said ideologies is just a prime example of the bigger DON'Ts of an MMO game. This. I'd also like to take the time to point out that there are a lot of clueless people in this thread. ------ When you say "no one's perfect", Chuck Norris takes this as a personal insult.
VinkNut Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:29:00 - [178] Anyhow my surgestion to fix this atrocity is, protest in the street chanting then burn the goonswarm server housing to the ground!
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:32:00 - [179] Originally by: Talkuth Rel You sir, are an idiot. Suggesting they are playing terrorists has nothing to do with the name of the group, the players themselves have made the claim that they are roleplaying terrorists and suicide bombers. In what twisted bastardization of logic does my repeating their own self-characterization make me a bigot? Get a clue or go away. I speak not with Infidels, may the rivers flow with the blood of the non-believers !!!
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:35:00 - [180] Originally by: VinkNut Anyhow my surgestion to fix this atrocity is, protest in the street chanting then burn the goonswarm server housing to the ground! ..........but may we also stone an effigy of a giant bee in the process or at least burn someone wearing a giant bee costume, ya know, just to keep it real and all, like they do it on TV ???

Rook Highwind United Oligopoly of Tea Traders	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:47:00 - [181] Hats off to the OP, whoever he is. For he has managed to get 7 pages of responses to the most obvious and, frankly, one of the most basic pieces of flamebait I've ever seen. I salute you, Ethnix. Or, more likely, Impostor. If not, then stop being so uptight and learn to laugh. I mean, come on, this is the -ing GOONS we're talking about here. Is anyone going to take anything they say (if not do) seriously in a million years? Hands? No-one? I thought not. If you take offense at their actions, gather some like-minded people and launch a counter strike. And make sure to film the ensuing bloodbath. ______________________________________ ~Newbing up the place since 6/12/2007~
Agnumari Bearn Confirmed for Brawl	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:57:00 - [182] To the op, Karttoon is just as much of a holy prophet as Muhammad, at least he hasn't murdered people in real life who didn't believe that he was the last chosen messenger of God. Ever wondered what happened to the Jewish tribes in the Arabian peninsula or whether Islam would exist today if Christian and Jewish people hadn't gone there? If I deeply hurt your feelings writing this I'm sorry, but your post is just asking for this, and this IS an mmo, where religions of all kinds are constantly made fun of. But you might as well be some trolling alt. Peace
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:02:00 - [183] how is Jihadswarm misrepresenting Islam? -how many suicide bombers in the world are Islam? (hint: all) -how many suicide bombers in the world AREN'T Islam (hint: none) -which religion has decreed killing those that aren't Islam? -which religion has been beheading people that have done no wrong against it? -which religion in the Quran has stated that it's a Muslim's duty to kill all infidels? yea. i don't think they're misrepresenting it at all. if anything, they got it straight on the money. why don't you worry about fixing up the problems your religion has and is causing before you come whine on a messageboard for internet spaceships?
Angelonico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:02:00 - [184] Edited by: Angelonico on 26/03/2008 22:03:10 You do realize all these whiny *****y little threads... all your tears... all your crying. It's why they're doing it. Suck it up and deal with it or leave the game. Period.
Angelonico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:03:00 - [185] Oh, can I have your stuff while you're at it? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:07:00 - [186] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/03/2008 22:07:32 Originally by: Tobin Shalim how is Jihadswarm misrepresenting Islam? -how many suicide bombers in the world are Islam? (hint: all) -how many suicide bombers in the world AREN'T Islam (hint: none) -which religion has decreed killing those that aren't Islam? -which religion has been beheading people that have done no wrong against it? -which religion in the Quran has stated that it's a Muslim's duty to kill all infidels? yea. i don't think they're misrepresenting it at all. if anything, they got it straight on the money. why don't you worry about fixing up the problems your religion has and is causing before you come whine on a messageboard for internet spaceships? I had a detailed post typed up but the quoted post is too idiotic to have been serious IMO. Kudos to me for finally not biting the flame bait. http://www.themercury.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=285&fArticleId=158307 But check out that link anyway just in case, and locate follow-up information on your own time.
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:10:00 - [187] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/03/2008 22:07:32 Originally by: Tobin Shalim how is Jihadswarm misrepresenting Islam? -how many suicide bombers in the world are Islam? (hint: all) -how many suicide bombers in the world AREN'T Islam (hint: none) -which religion has decreed killing those that aren't Islam? -which religion has been beheading people that have done no wrong against it? -which religion in the Quran has stated that it's a Muslim's duty to kill all infidels? yea. i don't think they're misrepresenting it at all. if anything, they got it straight on the money. why don't you worry about fixing up the problems your religion has and is causing before you come whine on a messageboard for internet spaceships? I had a detailed post typed up but the quoted post is too idiotic to have been serious IMO. Kudos to me for finally not biting the flame bait. http://www.themercury.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=285&fArticleId=158307 But check out that link anyway just in case, and locate follow-up information on your own time. it was about as serious as the OP's.
VinkNut Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:10:00 - [188] this is the greatest thread ever to appear on these very forums.
Constance Noring Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:13:00 - [189] Why is it that religious people get so offended on behalf of their deity? Don't you trust your god to sort it out after the offenders die? But it's not really about that, is it? It's all about you wanting revenge, because someone ridiculed your fairytale.
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:15:00 - [190] Originally by: Constance Noring Why is it that religious people get so offended on behalf of their deity? Don't you trust your god to sort it out after the offenders die? But it's not really about that, is it? It's all about you wanting revenge, because someone ridiculed your fairytale. I want not revenge you Infidel, but I do want the rivers to flow with the blood of the non-believers !

Cookie Snakeoil Industries Ltd.	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:16:00 - [191] WTS Crusaders at... ..oh wait, wrong forum
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:20:00 - [192] Originally by: Tobin Shalim it was about as serious as the OP's. Oh then nevermind, sorry.
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:25:00 - [193] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Noting myself as an aethist beforehand, I do like Islam more than Christianity simply because it teaches better morals. Such as?
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:30:00 - [194] Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 26/03/2008 22:32:00 Originally by: Tobin Shalim how is Jihadswarm misrepresenting Islam? -how many suicide bombers in the world are Islam? (hint: all) -how many suicide bombers in the world AREN'T Islam (hint: none) -which religion has decreed killing those that aren't Islam? -which religion has been beheading people that have done no wrong against it? -which religion in the Quran has stated that it's a Muslim's duty to kill all infidels? You know, the vast majority of Suicide Bombers are done by non-muslims. Over the past 100 years or so, the biggist victims of terrorism have been muslims as well. I guess all these ad hominem work quite well after all. As to your questions of which relion that decrees killing un-islam people, beheading innocents or even killing infidels, its not even allowed for muslims to do so unless its in self defence. That includes war, so a muslim cannot attack first in a war until they are attacked. Neither can a Christian or a Jew. Pretty intresting stuff if you ignore the propoganda. I strongly reccomend you read stuff written by western authors prior to WW2 which was before the whole bais began. Napolion hill whote a excellent peice on Islam in one of his books. Most of what you see now on TV is manufactued. Even back in the days of Salvery the printed media would make slaves who wanted freedom to appear as the most evil criminals. Anyhow, I strongly reccomend you read stuff that is actually real.
Incidence Infinite Development Consortium	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:34:00 - [195] CCP, whatever you do, do not bend to the demands of such easily insulted ego-sensitive players as the creator of this thread. Perhaps the website makes fun of a religion, Goonswarm have always been a vocal bunch lacking political correctness - but by all means let them be. There is a difference between being anti-religious/ethnic/whatever and making fun or distorting such a subject.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:28:00 - [196] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/03/2008 23:31:52 Originally by: IamAcontractALT You know, the vast majority of Suicide Bombers are done by non-muslims. Over the past 100 years or so, the biggist victims of terrorism have been muslims as well. I guess all these ad hominem work quite well after all. As to your questions of which relion that decrees killing un-islam people, beheading innocents or even killing infidels, its not even allowed for muslims to do so unless its in self defence. That includes war, so a muslim cannot attack first in a war until they are attacked. Neither can a Christian or a Jew. Pretty intresting stuff if you ignore the propoganda. I strongly reccomend you read stuff written by western authors prior to WW2 which was before the whole bais began. Napolion hill whote a excellent peice on Islam in one of his books. Most of what you see now on TV is manufactued. Even back in the days of Salvery the printed media would make slaves who wanted freedom to appear as the most evil criminals. edit: fixing my last clumsy post. The media issue is separate and the post-WWII date for the bias is questionable, but the rest of that stuff is good info.
Billy Sastard Life. Universe. Everything. Rejuvenate	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:35:00 - [197] I vote that this farce of a thread be locked or even deleted. From the original post on through all of the replies, this thread has just been one big annoyance. I like my imaginary spaceships without theological discussion mixed in. Religious discussion + Internet = BAD -=^=-
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:47:00 - [198] This thread needs more goons ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:54:00 - [199] Originally by: Tobin Shalim how is Jihadswarm misrepresenting Islam? -how many suicide bombers in the world are Islam? (hint: all) FAIL. The practice was first started in the 1400's by a Danish guy. Its currently widely used by muslim and christian palestinians, with limited use by the athiest Tamil Tigers. Quote: -which religion has decreed killing those that aren't Islam? Islam has a prohibition against forced conversion, and only permits killing a non muslim if in self defense. But for reference, go read Leviticus. Yeah, stoning to death people who eat shellfish is one of christianitys nuttier commands Quote: -which religion has been beheading people that have done no wrong against it? None of them. But man you should of seem what Ivan Millat did over in Australias East coast! Quote: -which religion in the Quran has stated that it's a Muslim's duty to kill all infidels? The Quran does not say that. I've read it. Quote: yea. i don't think they're misrepresenting it at all. if anything, they got it straight on the money. why don't you worry about fixing up the problems your religion has and is causing before you come whine on a messageboard for internet spaceships? Hey, now shut the hell up! Jihadswarm is a joke designed to mock people like you and your misconceptions. Get it into your racist skull *******. -----------
Larno Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.26 23:58:00 - [200] Jihad is an arabic word meaning strive or struggle, it is possible to use it in a non-religious manner. The Jihadswarm website, which may be offensive, is out of game and not CCP's problem. You lose. ---------- "Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."

duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.27 00:00:00 - [201] Originally by: Billy Sastard I vote that this farce of a thread be locked or even deleted. From the original post on through all of the replies, this thread has just been one big annoyance. I like my imaginary spaceships without theological discussion mixed in. Religious discussion + Internet = BAD -----------
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 00:01:00 - [202] Originally by: Billy Sastard I vote that this farce of a thread be locked or even deleted. From the original post on through all of the replies, this thread has just been one big annoyance. I like my imaginary spaceships without theological discussion mixed in. Religious discussion + Internet = BAD Be sure and thank the nice goons for that. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Vulchev School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.27 00:05:00 - [203] You guys do realise that making a big thing about this is just going to give the Goons more kicks, right? I don't give a toss about Islamic ideology, it's GOON ideology to want as much attention and lulz as they can get. And everyone that replies in this thread (me included, mea culpa) is just playing into their hands. And as for whoever mentioned the cartoons - I think they missed the point. The IDEA of that particular cartoon was to demonstrate what the fanatics are doing to the image of Islam in the wider world; that now, when people think of Islam, it is synonymous with the threat of violence. It is critical of FANATICS, not of MUSLIMS.
ghard1 EFIALITIS EPIREAZO Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 00:50:00 - [204] I dont think the goons and most of the people here understand what the real problem is it is the fact that people who do not believe in the said religeon (maby some do but then they must not realy care about it tbh) are using it to make fun of it/other people and as said previousaly if you hate religeous people coming and complaining about this sort of thing then the easy answer is to not start using arguments/ideas/product of that religeon infact if you dont believe ignore it completley rather thank poking fun at it wars have been started because of this 'type' of argument. also i am not a muslim i am a christian and i still dislike goonswarms disregard for the muslim faith.
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:10:00 - [205] I have to disagree with the OP. Quote: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-***, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. They are not anti-ethnic, anti-religious, or racist. The prefix "anti" means "against". They are certainly not "against" religion. They are not advocating the destruction of Islam, or any other religion. They are parodying and using concepts that could be construed as mis-representative, but in the end, that isn't anti-religious. Hell, there's thousands of different "versions" of judaic religions in each major branch of judaism (Jewish faith, Muslim faith and Christian faith). There are different sects that believe different things. I think you would have to be pressed to "prove" that Jihadswarm don't actually believe that what they are following is "their religion", and then prove that the statements being made (in game, you can't judge things on out-of-game content) are anti-religious, or specifically against religion. Maybe I'm just too old and crotchety and think everyone should be able to say whatever they want. If you don't wanna hear it, plug your ears. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group ACSG Open For Recruitment (AU/AsiaPac/Late Night PST)
Hegbard Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:13:00 - [206] Originally by: Tobin Shalim how is Jihadswarm misrepresenting Islam? -how many suicide bombers in the world are Islam? (hint: all) -how many suicide bombers in the world AREN'T Islam (hint: none) Get your facts straight. Until before the current war in Iraq, the suicide bombing league was completly dominated by the Tamil Tigers, which is a secular, communist, organization made up mostly by hindus.
Von Ulrich State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:37:00 - [207] Originally by: Hegbard Get your facts straight. Until before the current war in Iraq, the suicide bombing league was completly dominated by the Tamil Tigers, which is a secular, communist, organization made up mostly by hindus. Stone the Hindus !!!
mishkof Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:47:00 - [208] I expect to never see a thread making fun of the wow communituy on this board ever again. Now where is that popcorn... I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me
Lord Roshan Galactic Confederation ICARUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:50:00 - [209] Originally by: jackie sparrow CCP does not control contents on other people's website. The fact that the Jihadswarm website is a website that the killmails are being uploaded to does not mean that the people who partake in the Jihadswarm kilings have anything against muslims... GoonSwarm quoted the same things on the site, in Local Chat in EVE, a numbers of the members. Sounded pretty much like a mockery to me. I'm not Muslim, Nor do I have anything to do with the religion. However, CCP rules are Clear, And GoonSwarm broke the Rules. -------------------------------- CEO of Galactic Confederation. Contact Lord Roshan or Monosol in game for info on joining GCON.
Jawas The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:52:00 - [210] I have played this game for 3 years and have neither the time or the inclination to go into 0.0 for many reasons. I play in highsec mostly with occasional forays into lowsec for mining and to pick up bits occasionally. I am neither rich nor do I particularly want to be, I can buy most of what I need and if I can't, then so be it, I just make do with what I have. Because I don't have time to play in a 0.0 alliance, I would not have time to speak for the council. Administration of this type is what led me to close my corp since I was spending more of my online time doing corp administrative chores than actually playing Eve. Anyone taking this role would have to have plenty of time on their hands because a lot of their time would be spent doing the council admin. In this respect, it would probably suit someone who is already in 0.0 and spends a lot of time on their PC playing Eve. As to the OPs reasoning that a lot of highsec issues will not be represented, after 3 years of playing this game, you come to accept that as a fact of Eve life. During my time, I have seen Empire go downhill while all the shiny new toys are created mostly for 0.0. Gone are the days when you could find an empty Material Research slot, gone are the days of a decent yield from highsec roids, gone are the days of making any real profit in highsec any more. With all the nerfing in the last few patches, gone are the days of seeing ships with varied loadouts. Now you look at a ship and can practically know how it will be fitted. I simply play for a bit of fun now since most of the variation of eve has long since vanished, most of the ways of making any real isk are either exploited to the hilt or nerfed out of existence. This game has become a shadow of it's former glory bit alas, still one of the best space simulation games around which shows how bad the competition is at present. However, lag and stupidity from the likes of Goonswarm are killing it off bit by bit and so much nerfing is laying the final blow. But for how much longer? -- Sig design in training: Remaining time 30 years 20 days, 4 hours, 10 mins, 15 seconds.

Lord Roshan Galactic Confederation ICARUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:55:00 - [211] Originally by: Jawas I have played this game for 3 years and have neither the time or the inclination to go into 0.0 for many reasons. I play in highsec mostly with occasional forays into lowsec for mining and to pick up bits occasionally. I am neither rich nor do I particularly want to be, I can buy most of what I need and if I can't, then so be it, I just make do with what I have. Because I don't have time to play in a 0.0 alliance, I would not have time to speak for the council. Administration of this type is what led me to close my corp since I was spending more of my online time doing corp administrative chores than actually playing Eve. Anyone taking this role would have to have plenty of time on their hands because a lot of their time would be spent doing the council admin. In this respect, it would probably suit someone who is already in 0.0 and spends a lot of time on their PC playing Eve. As to the OPs reasoning that a lot of highsec issues will not be represented, after 3 years of playing this game, you come to accept that as a fact of Eve life. During my time, I have seen Empire go downhill while all the shiny new toys are created mostly for 0.0. Gone are the days when you could find an empty Material Research slot, gone are the days of a decent yield from highsec roids, gone are the days of making any real profit in highsec any more. With all the nerfing in the last few patches, gone are the days of seeing ships with varied loadouts. Now you look at a ship and can practically know how it will be fitted. I simply play for a bit of fun now since most of the variation of eve has long since vanished, most of the ways of making any real isk are either exploited to the hilt or nerfed out of existence. This game has become a shadow of it's former glory bit alas, still one of the best space simulation games around which shows how bad the competition is at present. However, lag and stupidity from the likes of Goonswarm are killing it off bit by bit and so much nerfing is laying the final blow. But for how much longer? More then likely, This will result in many people quitting. LESS MONEY FOR CCP AS A DIRECT RESULT! -------------------------------- CEO of Galactic Confederation. Contact Lord Roshan or Monosol in game for info on joining GCON.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:58:00 - [212] Originally by: Jawas I have played this game for 3 years and have neither the time or the inclination to go into 0.0 for many reasons. I play in highsec mostly with occasional forays into lowsec for mining and to pick up bits occasionally. I am neither rich nor do I particularly want to be, I can buy most of what I need and if I can't, then so be it, I just make do with what I have. Because I don't have time to play in a 0.0 alliance, I would not have time to speak for the council. Administration of this type is what led me to close my corp since I was spending more of my online time doing corp administrative chores than actually playing Eve. Anyone taking this role would have to have plenty of time on their hands because a lot of their time would be spent doing the council admin. In this respect, it would probably suit someone who is already in 0.0 and spends a lot of time on their PC playing Eve. As to the OPs reasoning that a lot of highsec issues will not be represented, after 3 years of playing this game, you come to accept that as a fact of Eve life. During my time, I have seen Empire go downhill while all the shiny new toys are created mostly for 0.0. Gone are the days when you could find an empty Material Research slot, gone are the days of a decent yield from highsec roids, gone are the days of making any real profit in highsec any more. With all the nerfing in the last few patches, gone are the days of seeing ships with varied loadouts. Now you look at a ship and can practically know how it will be fitted. I simply play for a bit of fun now since most of the variation of eve has long since vanished, most of the ways of making any real isk are either exploited to the hilt or nerfed out of existence. This game has become a shadow of it's former glory bit alas, still one of the best space simulation games around which shows how bad the competition is at present. However, lag and stupidity from the likes of Goonswarm are killing it off bit by bit and so much nerfing is laying the final blow. But for how much longer? Racist. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Lord Roshan Galactic Confederation ICARUS Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 02:02:00 - [213] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Jawas I have played this game for 3 years and have neither the time or the inclination to go into 0.0 for many reasons. I play in highsec mostly with occasional forays into lowsec for mining and to pick up bits occasionally. I am neither rich nor do I particularly want to be, I can buy most of what I need and if I can't, then so be it, I just make do with what I have. Because I don't have time to play in a 0.0 alliance, I would not have time to speak for the council. Administration of this type is what led me to close my corp since I was spending more of my online time doing corp administrative chores than actually playing Eve. Anyone taking this role would have to have plenty of time on their hands because a lot of their time would be spent doing the council admin. In this respect, it would probably suit someone who is already in 0.0 and spends a lot of time on their PC playing Eve. As to the OPs reasoning that a lot of highsec issues will not be represented, after 3 years of playing this game, you come to accept that as a fact of Eve life. During my time, I have seen Empire go downhill while all the shiny new toys are created mostly for 0.0. Gone are the days when you could find an empty Material Research slot, gone are the days of a decent yield from highsec roids, gone are the days of making any real profit in highsec any more. With all the nerfing in the last few patches, gone are the days of seeing ships with varied loadouts. Now you look at a ship and can practically know how it will be fitted. I simply play for a bit of fun now since most of the variation of eve has long since vanished, most of the ways of making any real isk are either exploited to the hilt or nerfed out of existence. This game has become a shadow of it's former glory bit alas, still one of the best space simulation games around which shows how bad the competition is at present. However, lag and stupidity from the likes of Goonswarm are killing it off bit by bit and so much nerfing is laying the final blow. But for how much longer? Racist. Hows he racist? noob. -------------------------------- CEO of Galactic Confederation. Contact Lord Roshan or Monosol in game for info on joining GCON.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 02:06:00 - [214] Originally by: Lord Roshan Hows he racist? noob. Actually: Quote: As to the OPs reasoning that a lot of highsec issues will not be represented He's in the wrong thread and I'm breaking his balls about it. Don't tell him though, I'm waiting for him to go "WTF?!" and call me a noob or something. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2008.03.27 02:27:00 - [215] Originally by: Lord Roshan Originally by: jackie sparrow CCP does not control contents on other people's website. The fact that the Jihadswarm website is a website that the killmails are being uploaded to does not mean that the people who partake in the Jihadswarm kilings have anything against muslims... GoonSwarm quoted the same things on the site, in Local Chat in EVE, a numbers of the members. Sounded pretty much like a mockery to me. I'm not Muslim, Nor do I have anything to do with the religion. However, CCP rules are Clear, And GoonSwarm broke the Rules. Mockery may skirt the line, but I don't believe it crosses it. They aren't hateful, anti-religious statements. They are mocking statements and comments. They do not decry the religion, they bring satirical humor pointed at it. That is not anti-religious. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group ACSG Open For Recruitment (AU/AsiaPac/Late Night PST)
Benglada DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.03.27 02:32:00 - [216] Originally by: Tobin Shalim how is Jihadswarm misrepresenting Islam? -how many suicide bombers in the world are Islam? (hint: all)Tamal tigers (Buddhists) actually started it (sri lanka) -how many suicide bombers in the world AREN'T Islam (hint: none) a few, not lots but a few -which religion has decreed killing those that aren't Islam? christianity, juddhism, islam... a LOT -which religion has been beheading people that have done no wrong against it? see last -which religion in the Quran has stated that it's a Muslim's duty to kill all infidels? This sentence makes no sense. Cleared inaccuracies. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.03.27 02:38:00 - [217] Originally by: Tarminic GOON ALT DETECTED ROFL! Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Djinn Phluxx Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.27 03:19:00 - [218] I'd have to side with the OP on this one. I've a feeling he/she has ulterior motives, however, as we've seen in the news lately, even unintentionally mocking the terms or imagery of a religon or race is taken pretty seriously in most groups these days. An editor was fired for making a noose. Why? Someone claimed it was racist. Now...history shows people of all races have been hanged...but 150 recent years of american history push people to believe it's a racist symbol. So racist that even though the editor joked about the noose being where he and his fellow workers were headed if they didn't meet their deadline...obviously nothing in there about race...he was still fired. Now, some players in the game have taken terms and misconceptions of a religon/faith and are, intentionally or not, mocking it inside and outside the game. Twisting a term to make it seem like a jihadist is a suicide bomber, irrational, or crazy. The sad thing is, most players of this game seem to be completely ignorant of the difference between religons, regions, political actions, etc, and it shows in epic amounts in some responses to this thread.
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:23:00 - [219] Originally by: duckmonster Originally by: Tobin Shalim how is Jihadswarm misrepresenting Islam? -how many suicide bombers in the world are Islam? (hint: all) FAIL. The practice was first started in the 1400's by a Danish guy. Its currently widely used by muslim and christian palestinians, with limited use by the athiest Tamil Tigers. Quote: -which religion has decreed killing those that aren't Islam? Islam has a prohibition against forced conversion, and only permits killing a non muslim if in self defense. But for reference, go read Leviticus. Yeah, stoning to death people who eat shellfish is one of christianitys nuttier commands Quote: -which religion has been beheading people that have done no wrong against it? None of them. But man you should of seem what Ivan Millat did over in Australias East coast! Quote: -which religion in the Quran has stated that it's a Muslim's duty to kill all infidels? The Quran does not say that. I've read it. Quote: yea. i don't think they're misrepresenting it at all. if anything, they got it straight on the money. why don't you worry about fixing up the problems your religion has and is causing before you come whine on a messageboard for internet spaceships? Hey, now shut the hell up! Jihadswarm is a joke designed to mock people like you and your misconceptions. Get it into your racist skull *******. you missed my post further on in the thread that stated i was being as sarcastic as the OP. to clarify: i do not believe any of those statements, nor do i endorse them. hell, why am i bothering to explain this to a Goon?
Neco Furyan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.27 05:17:00 - [220] Its always funny to see us mere MORTALS always try to defend our GOD/ALLAH/RELIGION when He/She can do it better than us. For me I'm thankful that GOD/ALLAH is forgiving. Cause if He/She wasn't, every time someone said something bad about the Pope or Muhammad or OMFG, lightning would strike from the sky from their mighty hand and kill that person and then we won't have need for threads like this. I feel your pain Zwik. Trying to get them banned is very debatable as seen from the 9 pages of posts. But the important thing is to let people know that your beliefs are being misrepresented. All that is needed is: Quote: False Statement #1 "I am Karttoon, Shiekh of JihadSwarm and prophet of Allah" The truth: There is no prophet of Allah named Karttoon in Islam. False Statement #2 "Praise be to Allah, there is no god but allah, and Karttoon is his prophet!" The truth: Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his last and final prophet! There's no need to start protests and burn flags in the streets, I'm sure Allah can defend himself without your help. I mean, thats what the Day of judgment is for (I'm sure every major religion has a Day of Judgment) Now back to the blasting of RATS, the real problem at hand

Marcus TheMartin Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.03.27 05:22:00 - [221] Originally by: Neco Furyan Its always funny to see us mere MORTALS always try to defend our GOD/ALLAH/RELIGION when He/She can do it better than us. For me I'm thankful that GOD/ALLAH is forgiving. Cause if He/She wasn't, every time someone said something bad about the Pope or Muhammad or OMFG, lightning would strike from the sky from their mighty hand and kill that person and then we won't have need for threads like this. I feel your pain Zwik. Trying to get them banned is very debatable as seen from the 9 pages of posts. But the important thing is to let people know that your beliefs are being misrepresented. All that is needed is: Quote: False Statement #1 "I am Karttoon, Shiekh of JihadSwarm and prophet of Allah" The truth: There is no prophet of Allah named Karttoon in Islam. False Statement #2 "Praise be to Allah, there is no god but allah, and Karttoon is his prophet!" The truth: Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his last and final prophet! There's no need to start protests and burn flags in the streets, I'm sure Allah can defend himself without your help. I mean, thats what the Day of judgment is for (I'm sure every major religion has a Day of Judgment) Now back to the blasting of RATS, the real problem at hand Hinduism doesn't have a judgment day just an occasional reboot also just lock this thread
Ivan Kinsikor International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.27 05:30:00 - [222] Rofl @ all the easily butthurt whiners in this thread. Get over yourselves. ---------------------------------------- *****es don't know 'bout my nano'd Titan ----------------------------------------
Dapanman1 Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.27 05:42:00 - [223] Originally by: Tarminic GOON ALT DETECTED Still laughing... Beets, you're among friends.
Surfin's PlunderBunny GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.27 06:14:00 - [224] I can't believe this is still going on ------------------Sig-------------------------- J. Kerouac said it best in The Vanity of Duluoz: "Go droppeth a turd."
Gravecall 101 Squints	Posted - 2008.03.27 09:45:00 - [225] Edited by: Gravecall on 27/03/2008 09:47:22 Edited by: Gravecall on 27/03/2008 09:46:49 Edited by: Gravecall on 27/03/2008 09:45:37 What I don't understand is why if they want to make fun of a religion in a rather insensitive way the more humourous: "Corporation: Men of the cloth - holy men called to serve God and harrass & assault miners under their care..." didn't pop into their heads. Certainly requires a lot less twisting of things to fit context, it's just a change in spelling of word. But then I get the impression from forum posts that the average Goon likes excessively imaginative roleplay (as in the more it diverges from reality the more they enjoy it).
Tyllie Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:03:00 - [226] أنا مرتبكة [أس تو] ماذا يكون اعتبرت [ريغتووسلي] [إيسلميك] ولا [إيسلميك]à خصوصا عندما يجادل بالناس الذي ليس [إيسلميك]. عرفت أو يكون هو أنّ أنت بطريقة شرعيّة ماذا يكون [إيسلميك]? أنا مستعدّة أن يراهن أنّ بعد ذلك سيقول أنت هو إستجماع فقط 42.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:11:00 - [227] I am quite discusted at the replys of some of you in this thread, Religious tolerence is a good thing, its what makes us civilised. Using jihad alone is fine, but using names like el lah and such has a complete different meaning. There should be one rule in the eula, keep f**g religions off the game, same as politics. everybody is happy. Quote:** You are what you are, fool
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:24:00 - [228] Originally by: Tyllie أنا مرتبكة [أس تو] ماذا يكون اعتبرت [ريغتووسلي] [إيسلميك] ولا [إيسلميك]… خصوصا عندما يجادل بالناس الذي ليس [إيسلميك]. عرفت أو يكون هو أنّ أنت بطريقة شرعيّة ماذا يكون [إيسلميك]? أنا مستعدّة أن يراهن أنّ بعد ذلك سيقول أنت هو إستجماع فقط 42. so you saying according to article 42, no one should be authorised to use jihad, or be pretantious of being muslim unless they can really proof that they re muslim. Can i really suggest writing that in english, because this forum are english only. When i fly with french dudes who tend to know lots of arabic, w e scream el lah akbar, and such for fun while attacking, but we dont go to the point were we pretand to be profits, because french people are far more tolerent and comprehend the need of maintaining good relations with other religious people, bit like their previous president, the ones i know anyways. Its simple, if they want a website with that s88t, CCP cann't doa goram thing, and as a born muslim i could not care less. Bringing jihadswarm into eve o forums and ingame, kind of increases the negative image of mulsims (40% world's population). How is that a good thing exactly? all that for humour? run out of jokes or something. Lets keep the game clean of religions and cutls id say, not because i give a st. But mainly to avoid threads like this where i see tonnes of people replying somewhat extremly like a suicide bomber killed their dearest or something. Quote:** You are what you are, fool
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:32:00 - [229] was once told by a girl that grew up during the comunist rule in her home nation that her teacher said: religion as a whole is a substitute fore the weakminded to go on with their daily lives, ignoring national laws and the respect of your fellow cititzens by using a belief as a exscuse. considering some of the coments on this thread i have to agrea with the teacher
Lonak Silu GeoCorp. Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:43:00 - [230] And God turned his eyes on internet forumz. In his holly greatness, he pushed the 'Reply ton topic' button, thinking that he could bring his wisedom over those lost sheeps. But suddenly, he stopped his crusade against the ignorance of his creation, and closed his holly laptop. Allah, who was sitting beside God, noticed the despair that was sweating out of the creator, and he asked God : "lolz, wut up ??" To which, God replied : "I'm tired of those noobs..I QUIT !" And the two divine entitiez opened their "Account managment" page, before unleashing their godnesz wrath over the "Cancel subscription" button. And from below, God and Allah could hear the now unfaithfull masses screaming in anger : "CAN WE HAVE YUOR STUFFZZ?!!!11!??" ******** Heavens are for rent, so why bother discussing religions ??

Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:44:00 - [231] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Zwik The truth: Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his last and final prophet! You are misrepresenting faith as objective fact. So you are denying my faith. So religious intolerance isn't allowed, so you should be banned. agreed Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:44:00 - [232] Originally by: Malar Originally by: Lateralus So, does this mean we should ban all Amarr as well? For being defamatory to the Roman Catholic religion? pfft. This is 'PC' going too far. Here is a key difference. CCP did not use the terms / ideologies of the catholic church for the purposes of the game, or at least altered them enough so that they are not obvious. EVE online? New EDEN ? Hmm?
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:52:00 - [233] Edited by: Kuolematon on 27/03/2008 10:53:36 nm, dun wanna get warned "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Jisel School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:04:00 - [234] isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm
CRUSH BOSS BigMek Industries GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:07:00 - [235] Hey look another post about Jihadswarm. nice. We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE Don't troll in your signature please. -Hango
Ethan Fletcher Inhibitor Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:08:00 - [236] I find it funny that the Goon spokesman is called 'Karttoon'. Cartoon...? Get it? Danish cartoons of Mohammed!? It all seems a bit inflammatory to me, but then I guess that was the idea to begin with....
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:16:00 - [237] Originally by: Jisel isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm Originally by: Jisel isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm Wise up, Its sharia, and its what discusts me about islam, the religion i was born in. and the only country that practices such barbaric ways is iran&uaE. Killing people over cartoons, well i get **ed off on that as well, i dont see why anyone should conform to our ways, they frankly have no responsibilities. But on the name of peace, there shall be tolerence. therfore if people want to make fun of a religion, get their consent especially if you have that religion residing in your own country. Quote:** You are what you are, fool
Arriana Echan Transcendent Creations Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:19:00 - [238] It always suprises me the number of people that think a religeon is ableto perfom phsysical acts. Islam cannot blow itself up, hang people or stone people. Its the followers that do all that, and like the rest of us they are human and have all the same flaws. People that use religion as an excuse for their actions would behave no differently if religion didn't exist, they would just have a different excuse. As for Jihadswarm, I couldnt care less, no miner I know has been hit, and even if they were its just a game (I can hear people having heart attacks allready), and since its just a game why are so many people whining or applauding the acts of a bunch of bored social rejects?
UrMommy Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:26:00 - [239] all the jibberish aside i'd like to know CCP according to your rules if one attacks in empire it is an exploit if they too do not get their ship destroyed so if the web page is correct there should be equal losses to equal kills or are goons just fluffing there own nest ????????????????
Storwin Winters Amistad Annihilate Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:27:00 - [240] Edited by: Storwin Winters on 27/03/2008 11:28:59 The statements are disgusting. I must say one thing to CCP, You shouldnt let this crap allowed. Im my self a muslim and i disgust what jihadswarm does. Even those Anti-religions crap entered a virtual game. How sad. /Signed

Jisel School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:30:00 - [241] Originally by: UrMommy all the jibberish aside i'd like to know CCP according to your rules if one attacks in empire it is an exploit if they too do not get their ship destroyed so if the web page is correct there should be equal losses to equal kills or are goons just fluffing there own nest ???????????????? the goons might not be posting their losses. no honour tbqh no honour.
Storwin Winters Amistad Annihilate Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:32:00 - [242] Edited by: Storwin Winters on 27/03/2008 11:35:09 Originally by: Jisel isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm No you have seen or heard the wrong things m8. There is no something like that. Those things you mention happens in IRAN. IMO iran is a country who stays alot behind in culture. But killing a raped women is bad and has nothing to do with islam, it has to be with the culture. But im my self muslim, does this mean i have to kill jihadswarm? No. Peoples like Bin laden, are no muslims in my opinion, they are human killers. Our book says dont kill anyone even its your biggest enemy. But like i said, peoples show those things in the wrong ways. /signed
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:34:00 - [243] Is it a public holiday in Iceland or something? Just wondering at the apparent lack of forum moderation this week. Oh, this is a great thread. But only bad things will come of it.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:41:00 - [244] Yeah you're right, Jihadswarm probably is defamatory to Islam. We can have characatures about a pedophile Jesus or a money-hungry Moses, but Mohammed is going too far? What makes Islam the special case? Why are you immune to ridicule if the rest of us aren't? Western freedom is built upon the principle that nothing and nobody is sacred, that you CAN make fun of Buddha, Mohammed, Jesus, 9/11, Jews, Islam or anything else you damn well please. Why is this so important? Because it is proof that we as humans can discuss ANYTHING, that no subject is taboo, that no idea is too far out. I generally like Islam. I generally have a positive view of it, or rather, I have a positive view of MY interpretation of Islam, you see I've read the Koran and I think most of you don't understand your own religion. Freedom is not negotiable. We are not ASKING you if its allowed to defame Mohammed. We are TELLING you its allowed. We are not ASKING you if its allowed to defame Islam. We are TELLING you its allowed. We're not asking your permission to be free. We're telling you we are.
Jisel School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:43:00 - [245] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 27/03/2008 11:17:16 Originally by: Jisel isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm Originally by: Jisel isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm Wise up, Its sharia, and its what discusts me about islam, the religion i was born in. and the only country that practices such barbaric ways is iran&uaE. Killing people over cartoons, well i get ****ed off on that as well, i dont see why anyone should conform to our ways, they frankly have no responsibilities. But on the name of peace, there shall be tolerence. therfore if people want to make fun of a religion, get their consent especially if you have that religion residing in your own country. the idiots who sent out death threaths are idiots, and if islam had a papacy system, they would ve excommunicated fanatic idiots who want to suicide for an easy way to heaven, ((complicated)) sorry i was being flippant, i was going to put forth a somewhat more intelligent few points but then realised this is the internet and i stopped being srs back in 2000.
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:48:00 - [246] Originally by: Jisel isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm I think you are looking at The Christian Crusades, which were very unchristian. Muslims belive in Jesus, Moses, Noah etc. Basically all it boils down to is that Judism beleives upto Moses, Christanity Belives in Jesus being part of the trinity of god (i.e Son of god) and Muslims beleive in Jesus/Noah/Moses etc but also in Mohammed's message of worshiping god (the word god in arbic is Allah) insted of worshiping prophets. As for blasphony, laws already exist to prevent people taking the mickey. For example, if I was to make a offensive cartoon your of mother, I can be fined or Jailed. In Denmark, the who thing was not about the cartoons themselves, but the favortism. If the same cartoons were made with a Jewish person, then the cantoonist would have been imprisioned. That was the basis of it and the media relised that it would sell more newspapers to make a fuss over cartoons. According to the Quran But they uttered blasphemy . . . if they repent, it will be best for them, but if they turn back, Allah will punish them." [Qur'an 9:47] According to the Torah Leviticus 24:16 states that those who speak blasphemy "shall surely be put to death" According to the Bible "The man that curseth His God, shall bear his sin: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, dying let him die: all the multitude shall stone him, whether he be a native or a stranger. He that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, dying let him die" (Leviticus 24:15-16) Anyhow point is people need more education and stop beliving 100% everthing they read in the media. None of the Noah/Moses/Abraham baised religions such as Judism, Islam or Christanity are murderous. Its the followers that are human. And humans have a habbit of being doing the wrong things.
Jisel School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:51:00 - [247] Originally by: Storwin Winters Edited by: Storwin Winters on 27/03/2008 11:35:09 Originally by: Jisel isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm No you have seen or heard the wrong things m8. There is no something like that. Those things you mention happens in IRAN. IMO iran is a country who stays alot behind in culture. But killing a raped women is bad and has nothing to do with islam, it has to be with the culture. But im my self muslim, does this mean i have to kill jihadswarm? No. Peoples like Bin laden, are no muslims in my opinion, they are human killers. Our book says dont kill anyone even its your biggest enemy. But like i said, peoples show those things in the wrong ways. /signed heh don't worry i was being overly flippant, i don't blame islam for anything, it's pretty clear from my cosy home in england that over in those countries (iran, SA, ua, etc); politics, fear, relgion, rich powerhungry men, and a whole varity of other things have become mixed up and well to call that islam is like concluding that as guns are made from metal that all metal is used for killing people.
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:56:00 - [248] Originally by: Cipher7 We can have characatures about a pedophile Jesus or a money-hungry Moses, but Mohammed is going too far? What makes Islam the special case? Ever since Judism and Christanity used symbology for sale, they gave up the right to protect. You can buy Jesus collectables from many religious places. But you cannot buy any Mohammed items because Muslims are not allowed to put any symbol or statue or painting to god, and are forbiddon from worshiping any of gods prophets including Jesus. Hence why Muslim art from the olden times is baised upon mathamatical and factorial designs rather than statues and paintins of naked religious figures. So while you can buy the Jesus painting and the Jesus clock, you will never find pictures of God or Jesus or Noah etc in Islam. Only texts telling but never a picture or trinket. Islam never put up its iconography for sale, so its not the same. Again, just read up to find out on stuff. lack of education shows in your post.
Digital Solaris Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:56:00 - [249] I am probably going to step on some people' toes and get reported, but this thread is the bomb.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:58:00 - [250] Originally by: Cipher7 What makes Islam the special case? Because out of all major religions, they are youngest. So we much wiser and older ones much be patient and threat them like kids. Beside, early muslims was scienctific people and good people. Now they are in their dark ages, where christianity was in middle ages doing crusader against other religions. We just have to tolerate immature people of Islamn. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"

Jolliejoe Quad Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:00:00 - [251] Nice that the bogus GM's that control these forums allow these sorts of discussions on a game forum. Nice job guys.
Digital Solaris Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:00:00 - [252] Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: Cipher7 What makes Islam the special case? Because out of all major religions, they are youngest. So we much wiser and older ones much be patient and threat them like kids. Beside, early muslims was scienctific people and good people. Now they are in their dark ages, where christianity was in middle ages doing crusader against other religions. We just have to tolerate immature people of Islamn. Shouldn't we, the rational thinkers of the world, treat all religions the same then? Or are you just advocating your own as a tolerant and benign?
Declan Intaki JOMON Corp	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:00:00 - [253] If anything this thread just demonstrates nicely that religion is one thing above all else: Divisive
Vagablonde Ouruboros Trading	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:08:00 - [254] an internet forum owned by a games company that can happily set it's own rules is not really the place to be talking about freedom of speech and religion. that said, some proponents of islam must be joking if they think islam is more worthy of respect, nay should be immune from having the ** ripped out of it, than chistianity, in the far more advanced and civilised western nations . so welcome to the west o/ it's not iran, or saudia arabia, or whatever pathetic backwards african nation that imprisions teachers, we got freedom of speech and god damn we've earn't it**. ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.
Tyrenical Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:11:00 - [255] Originally by: Cipher7 Yeah you're right, Jihadswarm probably is defamatory to Islam. We can have characatures about a pedophile Jesus or a money-hungry Moses, but Mohammed is going too far? What makes Islam the special case? Why are you immune to ridicule if the rest of us aren't? Western freedom is built upon the principle that nothing and nobody is sacred, that you CAN make fun of Buddha, Mohammed, Jesus, 9/11, Jews, Islam or anything else you damn well please. Why is this so important? Because it is proof that we as humans can discuss ANYTHING, that no subject is taboo, that no idea is too far out. I generally like Islam. I generally have a positive view of it, or rather, I have a positive view of MY interpretation of Islam, you see I've read the Koran and I think most of you don't understand your own religion. Freedom is not negotiable. We are not ASKING you if its allowed to defame Mohammed. We are TELLING you its allowed. We are not ASKING you if its allowed to defame Islam. We are TELLING you its allowed. We're not asking your permission to be free. We're telling you we are. ^^ This
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:11:00 - [256] Originally by: Vagablonde so welcome to the west o/ it's not iran, or saudia arabia, or whatever pathetic backwards african nation that imprisions teachers, we got freedom of speech and god damn *we've earn't it. +1 Totally! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"*
Tyrenical Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:12:00 - [257] Originally by: Kuolematon Originally by: Cipher7 What makes Islam the special case? Because out of all major religions, they are youngest. So we much wiser and older ones much be patient and threat them like kids. Beside, early muslims was scienctific people and good people. Now they are in their dark ages, where christianity was in middle ages doing crusader against other religions. We just have to tolerate immature people of Islamn. Tolerate them with the Giving end of a JDAM.
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:23:00 - [258] Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 27/03/2008 12:27:02 Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 27/03/2008 12:24:56 Originally by: Vagablonde so welcome to the west o/ it's not iran, or saudia arabia, or whatever pathetic backwards african nation that imprisions teachers, we got freedom of speech and god damn *we've earn't it*. Such anti religios talk would get you put in Jail Austria (Articles 188, 189 of the penal code) Denmark (Paragraph 140 of the penal code). Finland (Section 10 of chapter 17 of the penal code) Germany (Article 166 of the penal code) Iceland (dont have the Article offhand) The Netherlands (Article 147 of the penal code) New Zealand (Section 123 of the Crimes Act 1961) Spain (Article 525 of the penal code) Switzerland (Article 261 of the penal code) USA (Chapter 272 of the Massachusetts, Section 36) So much for freedom. No country has any real freedom. You are being told you have freedom to stop you rebeling against the ruling party. Thats how Media Works. Try to avoid conscription into forign wars? Not going to happen unless you are rich or powerful or damm lucky. Again it is perception of freedom. You can be put away if you offend certain religions in the above countries for example.
Jitabug Salvage Junkies	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:30:00 - [259] Enough of these threads might eventually take the focus off the fact that Goonswarm failed to crush BoB, despite having the whole of the 0.0 alliances around to hold their*****s for them. Maybe.
Vagablonde Ouruboros Trading	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:32:00 - [260] Edited by: Vagablonde on 27/03/2008 12:34:43 Originally by: IamAcontractALT Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 27/03/2008 12:27:02 Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 27/03/2008 12:24:56 Originally by: Vagablonde so welcome to the west o/ it's not iran, or saudia arabia, or whatever pathetic backwards african nation that imprisions teachers, we got freedom of speech and god damn *we've earn't it. Such anti religios talk would get you put in Jail Austria (Articles 188, 189 of the penal code) Denmark (Paragraph 140 of the penal code). Finland (Section 10 of chapter 17 of the penal code) Germany (Article 166 of the penal code) Iceland (dont have the Article offhand) The Netherlands (Article 147 of the penal code) New Zealand (Section 123 of the Crimes Act 1961) Spain (Article 525 of the penal code) Switzerland (Article 261 of the penal code) USA (Chapter 272 of the Massachusetts, Section 36) So much for freedom. No country has any real freedom. You are being told you have freedom to stop you rebeling against the ruling party. Thats how Media Works. Try to avoid conscription into forign wars? Not going to happen unless you are rich or powerful or damm lucky. Again it is perception of freedom. You can be put away if you offend certain religions in the above countries for example. take your laughable* threats (nice wikipedia copy and pasting btw) and put them here points to large muscular structure at the top of legs oh and less of the freedom isn't real crap, sure I don't have the freedom to chop peoples heads off or stone them to death for being *** but then again I don't want such freedoms! ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.

Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:34:00 - [261] Beware, they might go postal on us "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Vagablonde Ouruboros Trading	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:43:00 - [262] Originally by: Kuolematon Beware, they might go postal on us hahaha <3 the world needs more of that ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:53:00 - [263] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Cipher7 Freedom is not negotiable. It is here chump. Glad I'm not where you are. Maybe you should fight for your rights. Just sayin.
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:55:00 - [264] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Cipher7 Freedom is not negotiable. It is here chump. Glad I'm not where you are. Maybe you should fight for your rights. Just sayin. You are where I am. These forums. Freedom is not your right here. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:08:00 - [265] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Cipher7 Freedom is not negotiable. It is here chump. Glad I'm not where you are. Maybe you should fight for your rights. Just sayin. You are where I am. These forums. Freedom is not your right here. CCP doesn't own the goonie website. And I think they have more common sense that to try to be a playground monitor for 200,000 subscribers. Are we adults or children? "Now now little Jimmy don't call Akmed a raghead thats not nice" You got a problem with little Jimmy? Go blow up his ship.
Shurikane Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:16:00 - [266] DICE hasn't banned Jihad Jeeps in Battlefield 2142. What makes ya think CCP will give a rat's ass about Jihadswarming in EVE?
KapnKaboom School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:21:00 - [267] Edited by: KapnKaboom on 27/03/2008 14:23:47 Originally by: Malar Last time i checked the goons werend a muslim organization and i seriously doubt that any religious leader would call a jihad over a computer game, at least a virtual one. But watch out if you draw a cartoon in a european newspaper... Bottom line, the world is full of religious nutcases and folks who will use them in satire. And yes, somehow, life still goes on. (or in other words, nobody cares)
Zarin University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:54:00 - [268] Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 26/03/2008 15:07:03 How are they anti-religious, again? Seems like free advertisement for your faith. Or do you have a reason to hide in the shadows...? Edit: also, this thread is blatant hate mongering. Sounds like a section 3.a to me. It would be free advertisement for their faith if their faith involved suiciding into a bunch of defenseless people that never did anything to them. I would wager that if that was all their faith was about we wouldn't have to worry about Iraq we would probably be more worried about our next door neighbour. So I'd say that it's probably not the case. Don't really care myself, but if there was genuine offense then it would be silly to ignore this when you look at how careful CCP are already with the forums being a tad overzealous on the language filter etc. Some consistency is desired.
The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:58:00 - [269] Originally by: Cipher7 "Now now little Jimmy don't call Akmed a raghead thats not nice" You got a problem with little Jimmy? Go blow up his ship. lol -------------------- CCP, please fix current issues before making new stuff: Are YOU A Happy Spaceman?
Zarin University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:03:00 - [270] Originally by: Jisel isn't islam that religion that stones raped women to death and kills people over cartoons? religion of peace lol <3 jihadswarm Like christianity is the one that kills people and every other religion pretty much on the face of the planet has had terrible atrocities commited in its name. Of course if the religion itself was actually responsible and not just some idiots interpretation of it then good sensible people might actually object to it, instead of just the extremists on the 'other side' with their own quack religion. There are plenty of countries out there with ridiculous penalties for crimes, Saudia Arabia, Vietnam, USA etc. This is a game, people can be cruel to each other here, but any 'real life' politics should be kept a mile away, everyone comes here to escape the world, not to be reminded of it.

Zarin University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:07:00 - [271] Originally by: KapnKaboom Edited by: KapnKaboom on 27/03/2008 14:28:23 Edited by: KapnKaboom on 27/03/2008 14:23:47 Originally by: Malar Last time i checked the goons werend a muslim organization and i seriously doubt that any religious leader would call a jihad over a computer game, at least a virtual one. But watch out if you draw a cartoon in a european newspaper... Islam isn't a centralised religion like say the Catholic Church is, you can find some muslim leader to say whatever you want to hear, you just have to go digging for the right one. One of the local comedians here went to London and had one of the local *****pots place a fatwah on someone for a joke. Of course you can't judge everyone based on what someone else did who claims to share the same religion.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:09:00 - [272] Originally by: Zarin Like christianity is the one that kills people and every other religion pretty much on the face of the planet has had terrible atrocities commited in its name. Of course if the religion itself was actually responsible and not just some idiots interpretation of it then good sensible people might actually object to it, instead of just the extremists on the 'other side' with their own quack religion. Every major religion has a history of atrocities. The fact that one can even think of claiming that theirs is one of peace is just a joke in and of itself. And before someone even thinks of pitching Scientology as one that hasn't had a negative influence on the world, I give you this man. (and a lol version for detox afterwards) warp drive active \| nature vraie
III LightBringer Okkelen Grave Robbers	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:23:00 - [273] in counter strike I was sometimes able to run in with the explosives and mount them on some piece of equipment and try to blow it up. If I then stayed and defended it, as a good terrorist should, it and me blew up. Zwik , Maybee you should get some C4 and an alarm clock like your friends have, and leave my game alone. The servers are in London so, you even know where to go to stop this infernal game.
Zarin University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:24:00 - [274] Originally by: Winterblink Every major religion has a history of atrocities. The fact that one can even think of claiming that theirs is one of peace is just a joke in and of itself. And before someone even thinks of pitching Scientology as one that hasn't had a negative influence on the world, It's just as much of a joke as someone that claims the religion is one of violence and hatred. Relgions are not those things, people are.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:27:00 - [275] Originally by: Zarin It's just as much of a joke as someone that claims the religion is one of violence and hatred. Relgions are not those things, people are. I agree. I also note that I did neither. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Zarin University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:27:00 - [276] Originally by: III LightBringer in counter strike I was sometimes able to run in with the explosives and mount them on some piece of equipment and try to blow it up. If I then stayed and defended it, as a good terrorist should, it and me blew up. Zwik , Maybee you should get some C4 and an alarm clock like your friends have, and leave my game alone. The servers are in London so, you even know where to go to stop this infernal game. That narrows it down, so they only have to level the city of London to the ground? Oh and become a complete hypocrit. I don't follow any religion but sometimes people make me sick when they hate others due to ignorance. Just as much as I hate religious zealots I hate people that hate others because they are 'the other' religious zealots.
Zarin University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:49:00 - [277] Edited by: Zarin on 27/03/2008 15:49:18 Originally by: Cipher7 Because it is proof that we as humans can discuss ANYTHING, that no subject is taboo, that no idea is too far out. Yes, you are right, in many countries you can talk about whatever you like. CCP however can make their own rules for the game. CCP have the freedom to restrict your freedom within the bounds of this game and anything they control. This in no way restricts you freedom to say whatever you like outside of eve. This is important, as this is within Eve. They're not asking for a special case they're asking for the same as usual.

CCP Wrangler C C P	Posted - 2008.03.27 15:52:00 - [278] The fact is that JihadSwarm has nothing to do with any religion, it's just a bunch of players trying to provoke you a bit. As discussions on real world religions aren't allowed in general and the posts in this thread seems to go more and more towards that and politics we are locking this thread. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Hug-A-Wrangler! FanFest 2008 "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."



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