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Delichon The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:56:00 - [91] Originally by: RedClaws ...epic trolling... When ... erm... your subscription to life will end, can I have your stuff? ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:57:00 - [92] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 09/04/2008 12:58:43 Originally by: Delichon Originally by: RuleoftheBone You paid $15 for a collection of pixels? Come to think of it - I do it monthly. I pay 15 bucks to stare at my collection of pixels. I haven't paid additional 15$ for any particular stash of pixels - yet, it wouldn't take me a leap of faith to start doing that. In the end - if CCP would increase prices for 30 day GTCs from 15 to 30 dollars it would be the same thing :) Originally by: RuleoftheBone p.s. I don't pay attention to local either You miss some top-notch jokes. I almost ROFLMAO'ed when once our 10 man gang got jumped by a 20 man gang, and than we got smacked in Local for not staying to fight them. Those guys pushed the joke even further, when they called themselves "big boys" :) Slaughtered 13-0 a few days later, those "big boys" were :))) You can learn to really enjoy smacktalk :) My mistake...I thought you were implying extra RL cash on top of the sub fee. And ebay currently has the Ishtar at around $10 anyway (check it out...it's funny...and lots of satisfied customers apparently). And local is only very VERY rarely worth noting. Besides...I can't understand text/leet-speak beyond LOL/ROFL . EDITI would LOVE to hear the CSM candidates EACH put forward thier respective thoughts on this sort of thing . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Delichon The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:04:00 - [93] Originally by: RuleoftheBone My mistake...I thought you were implying extra RL cash on top of the sub fee. And ebay currently has the Ishtar at around $10 anyway (check it out...it's funny...and lots of satisfied customers apparently). I was refering to exactly that - 15 bucks for GTC -> sell GTC -> buy yourself an Ishtar with Polys. Haven't done it myself - but given that I pay for my leasure anyway (through subscription fee), paying some more money for some more fun does not seems to be much different from what I do now :) Originally by: RuleoftheBone EDITI would LOVE to hear the CSM candidates EACH put forward thier respective thoughts on this sort of thing . /signed. This would give us a better understanding of their mental framework than dozen of "I will tell CCP to boost Gallente if I get elected" threads. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
Tok Machei Caldari Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:11:00 - [94] Originally by: Achran Dexx What's even funnier is the sort of names that buy the GTC's. Check it out once, you'll find atleast two or three macro'ers per page. if only more ppl would actually bloody realise that... sigh and I wholehartedly agree with Skunk, it's absolutely pathetic!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:22:00 - [95] Originally by: Tok Machei Edited by: Tok Machei on 09/04/2008 13:16:50 Originally by: Achran Dexx What's even funnier is the sort of names that buy the GTC's. Check it out once, you'll find atleast two or three macro'ers per page. if only more ppl would actually bloody realise that... sigh and I wholehartedly agree with Skunk, it's absolutely pathetic! ehum: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=744760 Originally by: Katy Ji One for "supers0n1k" one for "KpyTeHb" Originally by: YYDI One for "ppsd" one for "kferas" plz "EULA-Friendly" GTC selling not helping macroers? right..... If the users are selling GTCs, why don't they just not sell them to someone who looks like a farmer? They can refuse a sale at their discretion. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
M'lana State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:27:00 - [96] I think a major problem here is that alot of people do not understand the GTC process. CCP makes no extra money through GTC trading, it is merely a different way for paying for the subscription, so the OP's $3.5m is a false value. Arguement #1: CCP makes money off the GTC system Secure System #1 P1 buys GTC for RL money off a confirmed reseller. The RL money goes to CCP (indirectly via the reseller), P1 now has a GTC. #2 P1 puts the GTC up for sale via the secure system for X ISK. #3 P2 buys the GTC for X ISK. P2 now has a GTC, and is down X ISK, P2 is now up X ISK, CCP still has the RL money from 1 GTC. Directly #1 P2 buys a subscription off CCP directly. P2 now has gametime, CCP has the money. In each case, CCP ends up with the RL money, and P2 ends up with the gametime. The only difference is that ISK has moved from one player to another: CCP does not make money off the GTC system. There is a caveat to that, but I can't be bothered to explain it. Argument #2: An individual can amass huge wealth using GTC trading. This is tougher, as it depends on supply and demand, and the can depend on how stupid and rich the playerbase is. Sure, a single person can buy lots of GTC for RL money and then trade these for ISK using the secure system. The amount of ISK this person can accumulate depends directly on the number of GTCs s/he buys for RL money, and the number of people who actually buy the GTCs off that person (that person will not be the only trader). I'm not an economist, but I can see that an average person would not be able to amass a huge sustainable wealth using this method. At best you'd end up with those fools with motherships coming out of their ears and no idea how to use them. Free Mom kill. Gratz. Back on the main topic, the blog is aimed at ISK farmers who do anything and everything to gain ISK and items quickly, and then uses a 3rd-party site to directly trade these ISK/items for RL money. In this situation, the farmer gains RL money and the purchaser gains the ISK/items at RL money cost. This encourages the farmers, damaging the game in the ways mentioned in the blog. Basically Secure GTC System: Represents a re-distribution of ISK wealth, CCP ends up with RL money they'd get anyway, just via another means, money that is used to maintain EVE development. Buying off Farmers: Represents a 3rd party running off with RL money, leaving an EVE economy damaged by their farming activities. In each case the buyer does end up with an injection of ISK (can't stop that), but using the Secure System supports EVE development and does not damage the game, whereas buying off the farmers just damages the game. There is a world of difference, and those that can not see that, well I have to be blunt, are stupid.
Delichon The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:28:00 - [97] Edited by: Delichon on 09/04/2008 13:28:15 Originally by: Tok Machei ...KpYTeHb... This names is written in Russian, using Latin alphabet. It's like substituting "e" with "3" in leet language. Literally means "tough guy" in Russian. If something doesn't make sense to you - may be it's just you... ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:30:00 - [98] Originally by: Jack Gilligan The OP makes a good point. Either purchasing ISK for $ is good for the game or bad for the game. It can't be bad if bought from farmers or other players and good if bought via sanctioned GTC sales. If RMT is bad for the game, then it's bad whether bought from CCP or from farmers. Seems to me that what CCP is really saying is that ISK purchase for $ is good when CCP gets the money and bad when someone else does. It's understandable that CCP wants to discourage buying from farmers (which is bad) but don't do it with the sanctimonious tone that is used. That is hypocritical, and undermines the excellent parts of their argument (that the gold seller companies are criminal enterprises, steal credit card info, etc). It really is a bad idea to buy ISK from these shady dealers. But don't stand there on a pedestal and tell us that RMT is unbalancing for EVE while offering... RMT... If ISK buying is bad for the game, ban it. IN ALL FORMS, including GTC and character selling. CCP would rather ban their customer's account so that you have to start over if you wish to play so that they can get more of your money. They care nothing about thier customers. Volition Cult Recruitment Post
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:31:00 - [99] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 13:34:44 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 13:31:45 Originally by: RuleoftheBone -Looking at a game in terms of time=money is one of the most self-serving and utterly stupid things I have ever heard of. -I have been in game since August 2006. Not very long at all. I stand by my statement. If you pay anything beyond your sub fee to play this game-you are a sucker. - I was not looking at it from a view of game time = money - I was looking at it as TIME period is worth money (self serving maybe) - If you think otherwise then I am happy for your current state of enlightenment, And I am very serious about this statement (since sarcasm is so very hard to detect I want to be emphatic about the fact that I am serious about that statement). - But I think you may want to check this outCNN Link About Time is Money. Just a light reading example of what I am talking about. "What this helps us understand is that as the value of our time rises, we are likely to buy more of it, which explains why people are paying to save time, like having someone to cut the lawn or clean the house." But calling the worlds smartest and most successfull entrepreneurs (ie, Trump, Murdock, Turner, Gates, Woods,....) stupid is... well you pick the word. - For anyone that actually spends time playing an online game is more then likely a good bit self serving. Otherwise you would be doing something much more charitable with your time then wasteing money on self gratification. I am guilty of this and I am not standing on a pedastle. - I said you were probably in game a few years. A few is 3 am I right or am I wrong? I was wrong by a half year though, sorry. And that is 1 year longer then me. EDIT: By the way I do not buy GTC's for isk. My wallet is quite slim. I do however buy 3 month GTC's to save a few bucks on my monthly sub. Slade
Navtiqes Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:34:00 - [100] Originally by: Le Skunk They are bought by players to lazy or incompetant or lackluster to earn the isk for themselves in game - and instead take the shortcut to riches - gaining a huge advantage over players who choose the honest in game route to slowley building up their empires. I feel obliged to defend my e-honour. 1. I find mining to be a boring job. 2. I already have a boring job. Solution I use the money I earn from my boring real-life job on legal GTC trade so I don't need to do two boring jobs to be able to enjoy some Eve in my spare time. To me the logic there is sound and I expect you to understand even though you don't appreciate it. Cheers.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:03:00 - [101] Edited by: Kerfira on 09/04/2008 14:04:54 Originally by: Navtiqes Originally by: Le Skunk They are bought by players to lazy or incompetant or lackluster to earn the isk for themselves in game - and instead take the shortcut to riches - gaining a huge advantage over players who choose the honest in game route to slowley building up their empires. I feel obliged to defend my e-honour. 1. I find mining to be a boring job. 2. I already have a boring job. Solution I use the money I earn from my boring real-life job on legal GTC trade so I don't need to do two boring jobs to be able to enjoy some Eve in my spare time. To me the logic there is sound and I expect you to understand even though you don't appreciate it. Cheers. Add to this the following..... 'Poor player' doesn't have a job (ie. he can't afford to play EVE). 'Rich player' has a job (ie. he has little time to play EVE). 'Poor player' like to play EVE. 'Rich player' like to play EVE. 'Poor player' doesn't have a job, but he has time. 'Poor player' spend that time doing the 'boring job' of mining/etc. 'Poor Player' earn ISK, exchange it for an ETC from 'Rich player'. Thus: EVE wins: +1 player CCP wins: +1 ETC sold 'Poor Player' wins: Gets to play EVE 'Rich Player' wins: Gets to use his limited gametime having fun I can't see anyone loosing out on this, except the RMT ISK farmer (and he can go f... himself)... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Overwhelmed Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:11:00 - [102] Edited by: Overwhelmed on 09/04/2008 14:10:52 You can tell who has ever worked a full time job by reading their "stance" on GTC sales... and that people assume ISK just converts to CCP's money as if they are printing it, I don't have the energy to start on that idiocy. Every time someone says "you need to be smart to play EVE," I read these forums and get a nice chuckle. ---------------------------------------------------------- Posting And You Disclaimer: This is a meta-game alt for meta-game discussions.
Delichon The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:14:00 - [103] Originally by: Kerfira I can't see anyone loosing out on this, except the RMT ISK farmer (and he can go f... himself)... There is another category, that loses from this: The leet Kid, who thinks that inability to grind should make Rich Player inferior to Poor Player who is able to grind. But, I think he should do the same thing as the RMT ISK farmer ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
Mithfindel Argent Group	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:19:00 - [104] To know the real effect to the economy we would need to know a few things: 1) Besides of the ISK for GTC, are the people financing their play with ISK sinks or sources for the economy? In other words, not counting their GTC buying ISK, do they destroy more ISK than they create? 2) The ISK sink effect of using GTC-bought ISK: Does this mean that the ISK-buyers destroy more ISK than what their "customers" create extra compared to the situation where they'd directly pay for their subscription? While this extra ISK might effect the price of a few "elite" modules, if it causes the overall amount of ISK to diminish, then it is good for the economy in general. 3) RMT suppression: How much does the game time trade suppress the actions of the ISK sellers? Since generally, ISK sellers are not ISK sinks at all once they get the "optimal" ISK-producing fit, which might be the optimal miner, for example. Also, generally RMT farmers produce more ISK-per-time, since any normal players don't play the game just to finance their subscription, but use some ISK to have fun, potentially get blown up, thus balancing some of their ISK source effects. Also, normal players don't have the capability of staying up 23/7, as the account-sharing ISK farms do. 4) Ratio of normal players to "big fish" GTC sellers to RMT ISK buyers: How many of the EVE's (300k?) subscribers are engaged in the GTC selling business in considerable amounts? How many do buy ISK from Mrs. Iceland (yes, there was an ISK spammer named Mrs. Iceland last night)? How many would buy ISK anyway and are now doing it via GTC? Say, ten thousand GTC-traders-for-life is still roughly 3 % of the overall game population.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:19:00 - [105] Simple... it's 3.6 mil per year NOT going to isk sweatshops. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:26:00 - [106] Originally by: Delichon Originally by: Kerfira I can't see anyone loosing out on this, except the RMT ISK farmer (and he can go f... himself)... There is another category, that loses from this: The leet Kid, who thinks that inability to grind should make Rich Player inferior to Poor Player who is able to grind. But, I think he should do the same thing as the RMT ISK farmer I thought it was the leet kids that are able to grind the isk, hence the word leet. I am new to online games so I could be in need of a new definition. But I could be misreading or could you have mistyped your statment. Please clarify. Slade
Berand Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:38:00 - [107] Edited by: Berand on 09/04/2008 14:39:44 All buying a ETC does is redistribute wealth. CCP is certainly not making 3.6 million a year on it. Here's a scenario: You have two players paying CCP $15 a month to play. CCP is making $30 a month, and those two are enjoying their game. End of story. Now say you have two players that want to play, but one has no money and lots of time, while the other has real-life money to burn but not as much time to grind as he would like. So the first player pays his subscription plus buys an ETC. The second player with time to blow gets a bunch of isk and buys the ETC. Now you have two players playing the game and CCP making $30 a month. The only difference is some isk has changed hands. CCP is not making additional profits, aside from the occasional player who can only afford to play at all because of ETCs, and don't we WANT them to have those kinds of profits? That is, the profits that come with more subscriptions? ETCs CAN'T be sold for profit the way isk sellers do it, because the codes go directly to the accounts play time. There's no isk-coming-in and cash-going-out scenario. This also keeps the ratio of dollars-per-isk higher, making it far less feasible to fund huge projects with real-life dollars. Sure, you could replace a carrier with cash via ETCs, but you're looking at what, probably $160 or more US dollars to do that with fittings and rigs and whatnot? That's not exactly the kind of cash that your average Eve player is tossing around on a daily basis to replace losses.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:54:00 - [108] Oh We're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore we've Got The Right To Choose And there Ain't No Way We'll Lose It this Is Our Life, This Is Our Song we'll Fight The Powers That Be Just don't Pick Our Destiny 'cause you Don't Know Us, You Don't Belong oh We're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore oh You're So Condescending your Gall Is Never Ending we Don't Want Nothin', Not A Thing From You your Life Is Trite And Jaded boring And Confiscated if That's Your Best, Your Best Won't Do oh..................... oh..................... we're Rightyeah we're Freeyeah we'll Fightyeah you'll Seeyeah oh We're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore oh We're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore no Way! oh..................... oh..................... we're Rightyeah we're Freeyeah we'll Fightyeah you'll Seeyeah we're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It we're Not Gonna Take It Anymore we're Not Gonna Take It, No! no, We Ain't Gonna Take It we're Not Gonna Take It Anymore just You Try And Make Us we're Not Gonna Take It come On no, We Ain't Gonna Take It you're All Worthless And Weak we're Not Gonna Take It Anymore now Drop And Give Me Twenty we're Not Gonna Take It oh Crinch Pin no, We Ain't Gonna Take It
Carebearingtonfieldville University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:04:00 - [109] Originally by: Kerfira There's a huge difference between an <ethnic> ISK farmer selling ISK for RL money, and CCP organising inter-player ISK-for-money sales through ETC's. The <ethnic> ISK farmer has incentive to do massive farming as the more he farms, the more RL money he gets. Done through ETC's though, the 'RL money' aspect is taken out of the motivation. A player buying ETC's has no incentive to earn ISK on a massive scale for buying ETC's as he'll only be able to 'buy' game-time with it, and there's a definite limit on how much of that he can use. My guess is that 99 out of 100 people purchasing ETC's for ISK only does it to be able to play their account cheaply. ISK-for-money is ALWAYS going to happen, one way or another! CCP's scheme is actually pretty good since it provides a secure outlet for this with the minimum amount of effects on the game economy. As long as they deal harshly with anyone not using this system, it'll be ok. I don't give a damn either whether players are able to 'pay their way ahead'. On the grand scale of things, it matters little as it's only a very small percentage of the EVE playerbase. It doesn't hurt my game if someone else was able to buy himself a mommyship through selling ETC's. In fact it just provides me with another high-profile ship to kill..... Oh, and I think Skunk is still harbouring a grudge about CCP nerfing Privateers Wow you are one annoying politically correct woman. CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:05:00 - [110] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 15:06:54 Originally by: RedClaws Hi, I'm a multimillion dollar company owner that has retired and I still make over 100k dollars a month. I certainly don't spend all of that in a month but I try. I play eve a lot but I don't like the isk gathering part so I simply buy about 5000 dollars of GTC's a month and sell them: 350 gtc's or about 61 bil isk a month. I continuously buy all the nice officer items on contracts, mess with the market whenever I feel like it and sometimes I donate a titan to my alliance (I think i've donated like 5 now) So I just fly around in officer fitted faction battleships ganking people in lowsec or when pvping in 0.0 I use a mothership. If I lose it it's not a problem since I got 15 more in my hanger. I hope I'm not messing up your game too much by letting my alliance own everybody else but then again most of you are in empire mining veldspar for 1 mil isk an hour right? CCP says it's ok so you can't stop me. If you are trying to spend 100k per month and having a hard time, and you are already buying $5000 worth of GTC's per month, why do you not start paying for you corp/alliance members game time by buying GTC and distributing them across Dragon's Rage/Intrepid Crossing. I know it is a big alliance but hey you already said you do not always spen the 100K when you try to and if the whole corp and alliance did not have to pay to play or take time to generate isk for GTC's yall may be able to take over 0.0. Just an idea, but since you were the owner of a multi-million dollar company you will probably find something wrong with my logic, since it admittedly goes astray quit often. Slade
Leneerra Minmatar Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:08:00 - [111] Le skunk, Perhaps if you look at the (isk)buyer end of the transaction for either RMT or Time cards there is little difference, although it must be said they get less isk for their dollars so maybe that is a good thing. Nothing for CCP to get on a high horse here, but to be honest that is not why they were beating their chest in the first place. BUT The major difference is on the side of the isk seller. Because you only get game time there is little incentive for excesses. Even someone using 20 accounts to mine has little use to continue after he gets the time cards for his 20+ accounts. Few people are willing to hack or use some other means to aquire mass quanteties of isk just to play a game another month. So If we cease to buy isk trough RMT we reduce the incentive for isk farmers to practice their trade in eve. We reduce the amount of spam and get ourselves a better game to play. In short. the time card transactions DO improve our gaming enviroment. (of course only until people divise another way to earn dollars in a game)
Brainless Bimbo Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:31:00 - [112] Game Time for ISK, better than Cash for ISK anyday. 360 players every month therefore get to play the game with some one else paying for it, nothing leaves the game loop, the ISK is used in game (and probally destroyed), the cash is used in game time. CCP get upto an extra 360 players with GTC exchanges so its 720 very happy customers for them, we on the otherhand get them all as extra (juicier) targets in game, whats not to like, its takes out the professional farmers market whilst increasing the playerbase. ...... continues overleaf.
Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:38:00 - [113] Originally by: Leyla Peace Hmm some fast math say that if your numbers are correct almoste 18k 30 day gametime cards are sold each month (or atleast equal game time). Thats a large part of the player base. Also remember its not like one player can look at this and say "hey this means i can sell 18,000 gtc a month" prices will fall if more players sell gtc. I¦m not sure but i Think a 30 day gtc once sold for 210 milion, Was at 190mil price point about 6 months ago. Now down to 160-175mil. Imagine that, a free market for something in eve. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only.
Ironnight Caldari x13	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:47:00 - [114] Originally by: Cissnei Originally by: Ironnight Paying 3 months with creditcard Ç38,85 paying with gametimecard $38,85, sorry but my mom didnt raise no sucker, keep the gametimecards. the sucker would be you. the euro is worth substantially more than the dollar so 39 euros is a helluva lot MORE than 39 dollars. it's nearly 50 dollars Which is why I buy GTC, I wish I made enough isk ingame to pay for them, but I just dont have the time to grind the isk. They're like 'oh **** son, its a trap ' Doomsday
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:59:00 - [115] Edited by: Angela Toren on 09/04/2008 16:01:45 I'd prefer CCP earns the 3.5mil a year to put back into the game rather than isk farmers who will only put it into opening more sweatshops. Your arguments of hypocrisy are flawed. CCP make the money instead of the farmers and players without a lot of real money can continue to play. The money made can go to buying more hardware or hiring more devs. CCP wins. No one cares about isk farmers loosing money except isk farmers. Farmers can only make a profit fiddling with isk to $ exchange rates if people actually buy their isk. So DON'T BUY THEIR ISK AND THEY WONT MAKE A PROFIT. It's not rocket science. _______ Oh Mindy...
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:05:00 - [116] Well Im going to take the rare step of quoting one of the posters on this forum i respect the most.... Me :)Lets take a look at the thread I randomly chose earlier: Originally by: Le Skunk This shows your ignorance of the issue. Yes people do buy carriers on their paypal accounts. People sell 10 or 20 or 30 GTC in one sitting. In fact heres one selling 15 at a time from the front page of the GTC bizarre (started 15 mins after i made this thread) - Free bump for him. Get em while they are hot. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=744843 Nothing wrong with what hes doing. Its all CCP legal. SKUNK 15 GTC Sold in one sitting. Mysterious names purchasing them I took a quick look to see how he did. All cards sold out rapidly. And lets take a look at the names who bought them? Nothing suspicious about them is there? The guy who owns the account just likes mashing his keyboard for a name. 10 GTC Sold in one sitting. Mysterious names purchasing them A quick look on page 1 of the GTC bizaree reveals another thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=745167 Some dude selling 10 GTC in one sitting. Some interesting 'keyboard mash' names in there as well buying GTC. Seems perhaps GTC sales are not just being bought by 'poor little mrs miggins who cant afford to pay her subscription'. 100 GTC Sold - 28 Billion isk via credit card Lets take another look (and remember this is page 1 of the bizaree. I spent 30 seconds looking to pull out these three threads) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=421382 This dudes sold nearly 100* GTC. 28 billion isk in his hand. Dont misunderstand me - The individual players are not doing anything wrong as such. They just arnt playing the same game as the rest of us. Seen a tasty item on auction - Sell GTC and outbid all the players who earned isk properly. Why grind your mission standings up to get access to good agents.. sell GTC and buy a char/ Why progress up the skill chain -.. sell gtc and buy a char Why mine - sell GTC Why trade - sell GTC Made an enemy in game... sell GTC and set mercs on them. Ruin their game by paying in dollars. Aint EVE great CCP may as well have a log in screen where the rich can type in cheat codes.. hold down shift and type INFINICASH.. just have your credit card ready. ________________________________________________________ CCP have said: "some people call us hypocrites because we allow the ISK for ETCs but not ISK for RL money and claim this is the same thing. Nothing could be farther from the truth; the differences are enormous." I say the differences are NOT enormous. In fact the are closer then most would like to admit. "Supply and demand dictates that it would be very difficult for an individual to gather tens of billions of ISK with the secure system and thus game balance will not be upset." This is not true. 90 Billion isk is traded in GTC per day. It would be very easy to gather 'tens of billions' of ISK. And the game balance IS at risk. "Corporations, or even Alliances, should not be able to fuel their wars and other activities like they have done in a number of cases with ISK bought for real world money." GTC trading DOES enable people to fuel their wars and (catch all term) 'their activities'. Very easily. This DOES upset the game balance Stop misleading us CCP. Stop the (as another poster called them) 'sanctamonious' posting. Stop demonising the dollar to isk trade when probably half the alts in the game are funded by your own version of it. *Stop demonising the 'isk farmers' when its beyond doubt that many of them are purchasing the very GTC you are selling. Theres nothing wrong with CCP making money. Just come out with it and stop the preaching. SKUNK
Overwhelmed Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:10:00 - [117] Skunk, please use your powers of manipulating the sheep-masses with sensationalist prose for good, not evil. ---------------------------------------------------------- Posting And You Disclaimer: This is a meta-game alt for meta-game discussions.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:13:00 - [118] Originally by: Overwhelmed Skunk, please use your powers of manipulating the sheep-masses with sensationalist prose for good, not evil. http://www.savethewhales.org/ People these whales are DYING man. People are eating them and stuff. FOR BREAKFAST. Dig Deep. SELL A GTC AND DONATE TO THE CAUSE SKUNK
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:14:00 - [119] Le Skunk, how about you enlighten us as to who is buying all these codes, and what you think they are doing with all that gametime? Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:15:00 - [120] Just restrict GTC sales to 180 days worth per month.

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