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Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:58:00 - [181] Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale ... So your argument is that the economy cannot break because it's aleady broken and because everyone apparently uses real money for funding? Jesus Christ. 23/7 Active Account - Player claims it was their son or daughter that was on. This does not fall under account sharing according to the EULA and they have no way to prove or disprove it Credit Card # For Trials - Would seriously cut down on the influx of new players Mining/ISK-making Checks - Completely arbitrary and you would need an entire database just to store the information, it's impractical and extremely labor intensive IP Banning - Farmers use proxys, it would be useless Farmer Tracking - Farmers don't generally interact with each other in-game, this wouldn't do very much and require a lot of manual labor as well Look, all this has been debated before, and so far no one has come up with a good compromise. Just because you're filled with righteous nerd rage will not change the facts. Quote: I can TOTALLY ACCEPT THIS SYSTEM BY CCP, but i do not want to read some **ty dev blogs like the last one. If you are a bastard and a greed, you have to say it, not covering yourself behind false moralism. So for me, if GTC are ok, farmers are even more ok! Whatever. It's pointless to argue with someone who doesn't acknowledge the validity of very simple economic theory and methematics. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)**
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.09 23:58:00 - [182] Originally by: Tzar'rim Originally by: MotherMoon I don't think a single player in all of eve has 90 billion isk in which to fund your ignorant arguments. and if they do tyhey are a huge allaince and they won't give it to you because then would have to buy isk. /face plam. You're so wrong. RIIIIIIIGHT, and you would know. Whenever even 40 billion isk transfers hands in eve how does it go, please tell me. because last time I check there is a single man that peoiple in eve trust and they don't spend that 40 billion isk on game time they spend it on a super capital. name one player in eve that would rather have 300 years of game time instead of a mothership.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:00:00 - [183] Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/04/2008 00:00:05 Originally by: Pang Grohl Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale Also, in response of the other guy, if i have 15 accounts, i have a clear advantage over a 1 man account, but i have to OPERATE THESE 15 ACCOUNTS. GTC give me immedaite and automatic power, without the need i do nothing. 15 accounts allow me to mine much better, but actually I HAVE TO MINE! GTC require only my credit card! That sick exactly as sellers, so yes, CCP is Ipocr. Two accounts gives you an immediate advantage over anyone with one account, especially when you consider the functional value of an extra character. A second account gives more advantage than any amount of ISK can give. this guy thinks that that having 3 accounts would be wrost off than having 10 billion isk, just ignore him he doesn't understand how eve works.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:01:00 - [184] Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/04/2008 00:01:32 Quote: 3.6 Million Dollar per year isk seller fingered... its CCP! one last point, I unaware that CCP were handing out isk. shouldn't the thread title read Quote: 3.6 Million Dollar per year isk seller fingered... its the people that play the game!
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:08:00 - [185] Originally by: RedClaws Hi, I'm a multimillion dollar company owner that has retired and I still make over 100k dollars a month. I certainly don't spend all of that in a month but I try. I play eve a lot but I don't like the isk gathering part so I simply buy about 5000 dollars of GTC's a month and sell them: 350 gtc's or about 61 bil isk a month. I continuously buy all the nice officer items on contracts, mess with the market whenever I feel like it and sometimes I donate a titan to my alliance (I think i've donated like 5 now) So I just fly around in officer fitted faction battleships ganking people in lowsec or when pvping in 0.0 I use a mothership. If I lose it it's not a problem since I got 15 more in my hanger. I hope I'm not messing up your game too much by letting my alliance own everybody else but then again most of you are in empire mining veldspar for 1 mil isk an hour right? CCP says it's ok so you can't stop me. Hi, Since I am the Pope I can confirm that God knows this happens all the time and doesn't have a problem with it. Neither does JC for that matter, but the Holy Ghost says he thinks your scenario is a load of horse****. You'll have to forgive the Holy Ghost, he's been a bit cranky since the Reformation. Dominus Vobiscum, Joseph "Joey the Rat" Ratzinger
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:11:00 - [186] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: RedClaws Hi, I'm a multimillion dollar company owner that has retired and I still make over 100k dollars a month. I certainly don't spend all of that in a month but I try. I play eve a lot but I don't like the isk gathering part so I simply buy about 5000 dollars of GTC's a month and sell them: 350 gtc's or about 61 bil isk a month. I continuously buy all the nice officer items on contracts, mess with the market whenever I feel like it and sometimes I donate a titan to my alliance (I think i've donated like 5 now) So I just fly around in officer fitted faction battleships ganking people in lowsec or when pvping in 0.0 I use a mothership. If I lose it it's not a problem since I got 15 more in my hanger. I hope I'm not messing up your game too much by letting my alliance own everybody else but then again most of you are in empire mining veldspar for 1 mil isk an hour right? CCP says it's ok so you can't stop me. Hi, Since I am the Pope I can confirm that God knows this happens all the time and doesn't have a problem with it. Neither does JC for that matter, but the Holy Ghost says he thinks your scenario is a load of horse****. You'll have to forgive the Holy Ghost, he's been a bit cranky since the Reformation. Dominus Vobiscum, Joseph "Joey the Rat" Ratzinger oh yes I personally buy 2 years of game time a day with the GTC
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:36:00 - [187] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld ? Morally, there is no difference between RMT and GTC trading. Economically, there is a huge difference. I'm not going to go into huge detail here, but I'll sum it up. The GTC trade does not result in extra ISK being injected into the economy because the ISK being traded/sold was generated at a normal rate by normal players. ISK farmers, however, constantly participate in ISK faucets 23/7 and as such have a huge effect on inflation even though they are a small segment of the population. My personal belief is that CCP is just choosing the lesser of 2 evils because the demand for ISK will remain constant regardless of whether the GTC trade exists or not. If it does not exist, the ISK farmers will pick up the slack and expand their activities, increasing the negative impact they have on the economy. CCP also has the added benefit of having MORE players because, as has been said in here alot already, some players are only able to continue playing due to being able to buy GTCs. So not only is no farmed isk injected by GTCs, but the playerbase is larger, and CCP does actually get more income due to having more subs than if they didnt allow the gtc sales.
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:38:00 - [188] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Avon Le Skunk, how about you enlighten us as to who is buying all these codes, and what you think they are doing with all that gametime? I think that his hypothesis may be that "they" (ooo spooky) are out to take on the world... I mean, sell those GTC:s for OOG money. Farm ISK, buy GTC:s, sell GTC:s for money. Ergo: Farming ISK = Money. Chinese farmers buy the gametime codes with thier farmed isk. The real players, the people who work full time for a living are the ones who buy those codes for real life money for the isk. CCP is in fact helping the farmers, the people who sell the isk, by allowing GTCs. How is it helping them? I've seen alot more evidence to suggest tht allowing GTC sales devalued isk, forcing farmers to sell more for less, hurting their profits due to a powerful competitor. Economics at work.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:42:00 - [189] Originally by: Thorradin Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Avon Le Skunk, how about you enlighten us as to who is buying all these codes, and what you think they are doing with all that gametime? I think that his hypothesis may be that "they" (ooo spooky) are out to take on the world... I mean, sell those GTC:s for OOG money. Farm ISK, buy GTC:s, sell GTC:s for money. Ergo: Farming ISK = Money. Chinese farmers buy the gametime codes with thier farmed isk. The real players, the people who work full time for a living are the ones who buy those codes for real life money for the isk. CCP is in fact helping the farmers, the people who sell the isk, by allowing GTCs. How is it helping them? I've seen alot more evidence to suggest tht allowing GTC sales devalued isk, forcing farmers to sell more for less, hurting their profits due to a powerful competitor. Economics at work. don't forget if an isk farmer buy a time card and then get banned "I think the life span of a farmer is about 4 months" then they are wasting cah that way too.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:43:00 - [190] What if sweatshops donated some of their profits to the red cross? If there is no game-balance issue speaking against RMT then CCP would now gladly allow it? How holding on to the basic idea of an equal playingfield? I personally wouldn't give a rats ass if GTC limited crime, evil, plague or armageddon throughout the world. CCP ought to have the interests of its customerbase and the core belief of "paid subscription = equal oportunity" as a main focus. It's a god damn outrage that CCP let IRL wealth have a direct impact on ones sucess in Eve. I've got no respect for GTC-buyers and consider all their achievements in Eve void.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:46:00 - [191] Originally by: Cpt Fina What if sweatshops donated some of their profits to the red cross? If there is no game-balance issue speaking against RMT then CCP would now gladly allow it? How holding on to the basic idea of an equal playingfield? I personally wouldn't give a rats ass if GTC limited crime, evil, plague or armageddon throughout the world. CCP ought to have the interests of its customerbase and the core belief of "paid subscription = equal oportunity" as a main focus. It's a god damn outrage that CCP let IRL wealth have a direct impact on ones sucess in Eve. I've got no respect for GTC-buyers and consider all their achievements in Eve void. so your saying CCP should **** over the player base than can't pay cash to play eve?
giddymochug Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:47:00 - [192] lol
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:50:00 - [193] Originally by: MotherMoon so your saying CCP should **** over the player base than can't pay cash to play eve? You're asking me if people who can not afford to consume a product shouldn't be allowed to recieve sactions, which jepaordizes not only a core value that most substitute products have but the integrity of CCP as a company, to do so? Then yes.
Tim Bit	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:52:00 - [194] Edited by: Tim Bit on 10/04/2008 00:52:45 Originally by: Cpt Fina What if sweatshops donated some of their profits to the red cross? If there is no game-balance issue speaking against RMT then CCP would now gladly allow it? How holding on to the basic idea of an equal playingfield? I personally wouldn't give a rats ass if GTC limited crime, evil, plague or armageddon throughout the world. CCP ought to have the interests of its customerbase and the core belief of "paid subscription = equal oportunity" as a main focus. It's a god damn outrage that CCP let IRL wealth have a direct impact on ones sucess in Eve. I've got no respect for GTC-buyers and consider all their achievements in Eve void. Someone told me to say this: "Oh noes, its Fina. Who cares if people want to spend real money in eve. It all explodes the same way and once you've found a good niche way of making isk, it's not very hard to do anymore. The advantage it gives people to buy isk is reduced by the fact that 80% of them are idiots about how they spend it. It lets people in countries who can't afford it pay for game with isk, and I like having these people play the game with me. It lets me play the game for free for a while if I find an officer spawn, which is awesome. People gain advantages buy buying 5 f-ing accounts and farming with 4 of them while 1 pvp's. That's bigger stupider garbage than trading cards in my opinion so who cares, that's just how it is. Kill them all."
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:52:00 - [195] Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale Economy of eve have already crashed. PPL get ISK for money in two way, feeding wars and alliance with ISK. REal money dictate the entire game, and largest alliance are driven by REAL MONEY. EvE Economy is a total farse. See this? This is where you give some sort of evidence to back up your claim. Besides, what does RL money used for GTC isk do for major alliances? I don't see many titans being sold, and I'd imagine it's easier to have mining ops with a hundred or so people mining for a few hours than it is to move a few dozen freighters from empire stuff with ores and minerals.
Chelone Stone Shadow Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:00:00 - [196] OP - precisely. Ridiculous hypocrisy for them to bring it up. CCP would be smart to not even address the issue, since they profit from this "legal isk selling" on a daily basis.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:05:00 - [197] Originally by: Tim Bit Someone told me to say this: "Oh noes, its Fina. Waddap, Frug Originally by: Tim Bit Who cares if people want to spend real money in eve. It all explodes the same way and once you've found a good niche way of making isk, it's not very hard to do anymore. Yes, they all explode the same way. But don't forget that you also explode the same way. What about the day you loose your hard earned ship due to a GTC-buyer who could afford a domination webifier instead of a T2? I don't give a ** what people spend their RL money on. I'm concerned about that poeple in Eve are getting an in game-advantage that they haven't earned and that it, in the end, can have a negative impact on me. Originally by:** Tim Bit The advantage it gives people to buy isk is reduced by the fact that 80% of them are idiots about how they spend it. Common argument but I don't understand it. What says that GTC-buyers are any less smart or skilled in Eve as the next player? Originally by: Tim Bit It lets people in countries who can't afford it pay for game with isk, and I like having these people play the game with me. It lets me play the game for free for a while if I find an officer spawn, which is awesome. I have no problem with this. I would still play Eve if everyone but me could pay for free. It's be way better since it'd be on equal terms. Originally by: Tim Bit People gain advantages buy buying 5 f-ing accounts and farming with 4 of them while 1 pvp's. That's bigger stupider garbage than trading cards in my opinion so who cares, that's just how it is. Kill them all." I can see the problem with alts also and in a perfect world I'd had them removed too. Still, you can not escape the fact that the isk generated from the 4 alts is ISK accuired in-game, opposed to gtc-trading.
Tim Bit	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:39:00 - [198] Originally by: Cpt Fina I don't give a ** what people spend their RL money on. I'm concerned about that poeple in Eve are getting an in game-advantage that they haven't earned and that it, in the end, can have a negative impact on me. Seriously, when I first started playing it bugged me, but I realized I can just not think about it and shoot back. I have my doubts that the dynamics of the game would change much. Originally by:** Cpt Fina Common argument but I don't understand it. What says that GTC-buyers are any less smart or skilled in Eve as the next player? I'll show you a caracal fitted with two mining lasers, three heavy launchers, two small shield boosters and a pandemonium ballistic control system (that's the like 6 mill module iirc) and you tell me the guy didn't buy his isk. There's a lot of KM's out there that just -screams- isk buyer because they're expensive modules fit in hilarious ways lost by someone who obviously doesn't know what they're doing. Those make eve worth playing! Originally by: ONOESITSFINA I can see the problem with alts also and in a perfect world I'd had them removed too. Still, you can not escape the fact that the isk generated from the 4 alts is ISK accuired in-game, opposed to gtc-trading. I just don't see a difference. Actually I think people with 5 accounts **** me off more. So I just don't think about it.
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:40:00 - [199] wow that's a lot of isk buyers posting here. at first i was thinking gtc trading is lame, but now seeing how many people are simply buying their isk and are genuinely dependent on it, i smile knowing my indiscriminate poddings are costing the dimwitted and uncreative real money. reign of terror griefmatic
Overwhelmed Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.10 02:19:00 - [200] Originally by: Cpt Fina I'm concerned about that poeple in Eve are getting an in game-advantage that they haven't earned and that it, in the end, can have a negative impact on me. Haven't earned it? You are insinuating that people don't earn their money? Either you work, or I pay your subscription anyway because my taxes subsidize your 24/7 EvE career - or you're a child. Face it, real life is going to interfere with the vision of an "isolated in-game world" no matter how you cut it: People join MMORPGs already as friends (Goons, guilds/clans transferring from other games, RL friends) - this gives them an advantage. Some people have more free time than others. Many have families, work two jobs to make ends meet, so forth, which gives pampered players with a suspicious amount of time to play "an unfair advantage." So, some people prefer to trade to equalize their contributions to the game world - which, by the way, requires consent of both the GTC seller and buyer, CCP only said "We won't ban you, and we'll make it secure." It is ultimately, a transfer of money between one character and another... sort of like when a friend joins. And to the chosen few people who are lucky enough to be able to play EvE all day to get a leg up on others: be thankful for it, and blow your "cheater" morality out your ass. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------- Posting And You Disclaimer: This is a meta-game alt for meta-game discussions.
Tim Bit	Posted - 2008.04.10 02:35:00 - [201] Edited by: Tim Bit on 10/04/2008 02:35:15 Originally by: Overwhelmed Haven't earned it? You are insinuating that people don't earn their money? Either you work, or I pay your subscription anyway because my taxes subsidize your 24/7 EvE career - or you're a child. I got a news flash for ya. A lot of the people with money to blow both in and out of eve (but especially in a video game environment with daddy paying the bills) didn't earn it. And a lot of people work hard and don't have money to blow. So without going into stupid politics, no.
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.10 21:59:00 - [202] Originally by: Cpt Fina Still, you can not escape the fact that the isk generated from the 4 alts is ISK accuired in-game, opposed to gtc-trading. And with that statement, you shot your argument in the foot. ISK used to purchase time is generated in the exact same manner as those four alts - it was done in game. There is no "out of game" means of generating ISK. What you're complaining about is someone obtaining the ISK that was generated in game through the use of out of game funds, i.e. real world money. But the guy with four alts had to pay for those alts, so he is likewise obtaining ISK through the use of out of game funds. You cannot complain about people getting ISK for GTCs and allow multiple accounts without being hypocritical yoruself, as both methods increase a player's ISK (all of which was generated "in-game") through the application of real-world money. For the record, I have one account. I pay for my account with my hard-earned money. All my ISK I have earned by playing in-game. But I don't tell other people how to spend their money, or how much they can and cannot invest into a hobby like a computer game, that's their decision and their right to choose. As long as CCP delivers the same service to me per dollar I invest as they do to other customers per dollar they invest, I have no reason to claim unfair treatment. The fact that if I wanted to pay more to get the same service as the guy with 4 alts I could do so means that there is equality of opportunity. Whether or not I take advantage of it is not up to you or anyone else besides me to decide. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Suzzy Quan Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:32:00 - [203] Edited by: Suzzy Quan on 10/04/2008 22:33:25 Skunk is is terribly mistaken. Skunk wants us to think he earns his "isk properly" just because he doesn't sell a gtc here or there. The problem is I think Skunk earns his isk quite improperly because he plays too much eve. He probably doesn't know what the outside of his PARENTS house looks like because he hasn't left basement since Junior high school when that first girl he tried to kiss rejected him. And his mum keeps harping at him about getting this thing called a JOB which involves getting out of the house for 8+ hours stretches(oh the horror, how could he make isk "properly" without 12 to 16 hours of playtime a day???!!!!) So in short, guys like skunk deserve to "rule eve" because their dysfunctional, f-d up, broke-arse, selves are afforded access to inordinate, unhealthy, and irresponsible amounts of playtime. And with the ultimate ironic twist skunk says that people GTC because they are "lazy" or "poor" players at Eve. It never finds its way into the qaugmire that is skunks brain that perhaps the terms "lazy" and "poor" do apply to someone in this argument, and it's not who he thinks
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:38:00 - [204] Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/04/2008 22:43:41 Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/04/2008 22:41:43 Skunk is is terribly mistaken. Skunk wants us to think he earns his "isk properly" just because he doesn't sell a gtc here or there. The problem is I think Skunk earns his isk quite improperly because he plays too much eve. He probably doesn't know what the outside of his PARENTS house looks like because he hasn't left basement since Junior high school when that first girl he tried to kiss rejected him. And his mum keeps harping at him about getting this thing called a JOB which involves getting out of the house for 8+ hours stretches(oh the horror, how could he make isk "properly" without 12 to 16 hours of playtime a day???!!!!) So in short, guys like skunk deserve to "rule eve" because their dysfunctional, f-d up, broke-arse, selves are afforded access to inordinate, unhealthy, and irresponsible amounts of playtime. And with the ultimate ironic twist skunk says that people GTC because they are "lazy" or "poor" players at Eve. It never finds its way into the qaugmire that is skunks brain that perhaps the terms "lazy" and "poor" do apply to someone in this argument, and it's not who he thinks Dont mention the J word please [EDIT] Also one wonders why you are so up tight.. ahh a multiple time code seller http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=710995&page=1#1 [EDIT] Also this poster is (suprise suprise) outbidding honest players for officer items http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=729792&page=1#12 I bet the guys you outbid using out of game curency are really glad for you. This poster is almost a classic example of the immorality of the GTC to ISK trade. Want the hakim office webber? Just buy it with dollars. Simple. SKUNK
Suzzy Quan Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:44:00 - [205] Edited by: Suzzy Quan on 10/04/2008 22:45:54 Quote: Dont mention the J word please Sorry I revealed your achilles heal in this argument. But in all seriousness, if you want to talk about "removing advantages" that various players enjoy(such as those who can afford the GTC deal), then I suggest you be completely above the board and honest and include ALL advantages, including access in inordinate and unhealthy amounts of playtime on the parts of individuals who are the epitome of irresponsible in real life.
Suzzy Quan Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:52:00 - [206] Originally by: Le Skunk immorality of the GTC to ISK trade. SKUNK Skunk, the King of Morality!!!!! All bow and know that the light of TRUTH of SKUNK from the bowels of mummies basement is upon us in all it's jobless glory!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.04.10 23:28:00 - [207] Originally by: Suzzy Quan Originally by: Le Skunk immorality of the GTC to ISK trade. SKUNK Skunk, the King of Morality!!!!! All bow and know that the light of TRUTH of SKUNK from the bowels of mummies basement is upon us in all it's jobless glory! You bought a stack of gamtimecards using out of game currency. You traded these cards for isk. You used this isk to outbid other honest players for a rare officer item. Is this immoral of you? Perhaps. Is it immoral of CCP to allow this. Perhaps. Is it obscene that CCP churn out holier then thou devblogs trying to say that 90 bill a day of GTC sales dont afffect the 'game balance' when you yourself have affected the game balance for at least two players by outbidding them on an officer mod. Thats 1 player selling time cards who has affected the game balance. If you multiple that by the 90 billion isk a day traded for dollars legally by CCP. It astounds me the general eve public are willing to tolerate the sort of propoganda stuck out by ccp in their devblogs. SKUNK
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.10 23:51:00 - [208] Originally by: Le Skunk You used this isk to outbid other honest players for a rare officer item. This is where you fail. How does using an allowed, legit, and sanctioned mechanic make a player dishonest? You want to talk "holier than thou" statements? You'd better start looking at yourself. You may not like that players are able to take a particular action, but it does not make them any less honest than you. Labelling them as such with no justification other than your own opinion makes you the hypocrite here. The morality of CCP's PR campaigns may be debatable, but you gain no ground in your argument against them if you resort to the same tactics you accuse them of.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.04.11 00:00:00 - [209] Originally by: Siresa Talesi Originally by: Le Skunk You used this isk to outbid other honest players for a rare officer item. This is where you fail. How does using an allowed, legit, and sanctioned mechanic make a player dishonest? You want to talk "holier than thou" statements? You'd better start looking at yourself. You may not like that players are able to take a particular action, but it does not make them any less honest than you. Labelling them as such with no justification other than your own opinion makes you the hypocrite here. The morality of CCP's PR campaigns may be debatable, but you gain no ground in your argument against them if you resort to the same tactics you accuse them of. Forgive me for now and again using an adjective or two in an effort to raise my post from a dry lawyer apporved bore fest. I could write "players who earn all their isk in game without purchasing GTC from CCP or an approved seller using real world currency and subsequently trade that GTC via the secure method for a corrosponding amount of ingame currency" Or I could use a single word which conveyed my meaning to you perfeclt. Your picking at holes. SKUNK
Suzzy Quan Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.11 00:22:00 - [210] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Siresa Talesi Originally by: Le Skunk You used this isk to outbid other honest players for a rare officer item. This is where you fail. How does using an allowed, legit, and sanctioned mechanic make a player dishonest? You want to talk "holier than thou" statements? You'd better start looking at yourself. You may not like that players are able to take a particular action, but it does not make them any less honest than you. Labelling them as such with no justification other than your own opinion makes you the hypocrite here. The morality of CCP's PR campaigns may be debatable, but you gain no ground in your argument against them if you resort to the same tactics you accuse them of. Forgive me for now and again using an adjective or two in an effort to raise my post from a dry lawyer apporved bore fest. I could write "players who earn all their isk in game without purchasing GTC from CCP or an approved seller using real world currency and subsequently trade that GTC via the secure method for a corrosponding amount of ingame currency" Or I could use a single word which conveyed my meaning to you perfeclt. Your picking at holes. SKUNK And you, Your Moral Majesty, still have not tackled the significant aspect touched on in regards to the "j-word" as you term it. Keep duckin and weavin tho. hehe

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