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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.04.13 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 13/04/2008 07:49:33
it realy bugs me too see players in eve buying highend characters as they never put there time in too earn such a character, this character i had too bag too get back but thats another story, my point is this, i put my time in for Off and still am. i belive you get more respect as a gammer when you do this. i dont like it too well when i have waited years too biuld my guy & them somone just gose out too buy one then kicks my ass with it, do too its out skilling me.. i could of had a higher end character buy just asking for it then pay the 20 bucks too get him.
OffBeaT dose not roll that way in a game, thank the eve gods for my guy back..
it has too be your guy you know, thats what makes you a real part of the game.
only a real gammer would understand that..
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
Infinite Covenant
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 08:33:00 -
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RMT and GTC are 2 entirely different things:
RMT -> Farmers use macro's to farm ISK and then try to sell that for real money in huge quantities to single people. This is a infusion of isk in the economy. also the farming supported by the people buying the isk causes the prices of ores to drop.
GTC trade -> Normal players play the game and with that isk they buy a GTC, money go's to CCP for the GTC and the person who bought the GTC only gets a limited amount of isk for it unlike the huge amounts RMT supplies them at the expense of the economy.
Farmers will not likely go for 'GTC trade' because its not a profitable market for them, its CCP who gets the real money, not the farmers.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.04.13 08:49:00 -
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 Originally by: OffBeaT
Edited by: OffBeaT on 13/04/2008 07:49:33
it realy bugs me too see players in eve buying highend characters as they never put there time in too earn such a character, this character i had too bag too get back but thats another story, my point is this, i put my time in for Off and still am. i belive you get more respect as a gammer when you do this. i dont like it too well when i have waited years too biuld my guy & them somone just gose out too buy one then kicks my ass with it, do too its out skilling me.. i could of had a higher end character buy just asking for it then pay the 20 bucks too get him.
OffBeaT dose not roll that way in a game, thank the eve gods for my guy back..
it has too be your guy you know, thats what makes you a real part of the game.
only a real gammer would understand that..
Personally I think character sales are much more questionable than GTC sales.
I agree with you, kind of. Disclosure: I bought an alt with 5M SP to be my "other main"; now she has 26M SP just as Mal does. I couldn't imagine selling them or buying another developed character.
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sith naharloth
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Posted - 2008.04.15 11:20:00 -
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Make it simple...Get the timecodes into the shops world wide(i think GAME has a shop in almost every city on the planet)at least then we can all stop worrying over isk tradeing and RMT. (Not that i do).
It staggers me that CCP doesnt have the GTC available in major cities all over the world, just how much money do they want to lose?
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.04.15 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: sith naharloth
Make it simple...Get the timecodes into the shops world wide(i think GAME has a shop in almost every city on the planet)at least then we can all stop worrying over isk tradeing and RMT. (Not that i do).
It staggers me that CCP doesnt have the GTC available in major cities all over the world, just how much money do they want to lose?
Eve really isn't that popular a game compared to games like WoW. Why waste time and resources printing and shipping physical cards when you can do well enough using internet codes? |
Vanessa Vasquez
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Vanessa Vasquez on 15/04/2008 12:57:04
haven't read the whole thread, but the OP fails here.
The ISK bought via GTC trade don't come from nowhere. It's only the players that sell it and they get only playtime for their ISK in return. CCP sells playtime, as every other MMO in the world does ...
You don't seem to understand that you have a win-win-win situation here. Ppl who can't afford paying 15$ every month over 3 years can play, they simply sell their ISK. Ppl who don't have much time for grinding can also play, as they can buy the GTC's for $. And our game developer earns money to pay the devs, to give us new patches, servers ect. instead of some marco miner/ISK farmer in china. You have RMS in every MMO, but this money goes nowhere except some foreign firm who slave childs to earn isks ...
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Kaimon ValDreth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kaimon ValDreth on 15/04/2008 13:05:02
Edited by: Kaimon ValDreth on 15/04/2008 13:04:40
Remove GTC and everyone will buy from the web... at least this way the profits go to CCP who in turn most likely will spend it on making the game better. HELL, I buy GTC with isk all the time... I go out spend 3 hours mining buy a month of time for my account it lets us poor people keep playing. I usually take a Saturday to mine and I pay for 2 accounts and end up making about 500mil *SCORE*
Stupid USD losing all its value and here comes the inflation...
Any of you people on the growing rock of Iceland got a job for me, maybe a place I can rent so I can get the hell outta this place.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:32:00 -
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My only problem with GTCs are people who buy like 20 GTCs every month and sell them all for billions. I seen some people advertise 40 different GTCs. It's totally wrong.
I don't mind small scale traders, it's these big spenders that should be regulated
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Vanessa Vasquez
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
My only problem with GTCs are people who buy like 20 GTCs every month and sell them all for billions. I seen some people advertise 40 different GTCs. It's totally wrong.
I don't mind small scale traders, it's these big spenders that should be regulated
Why? And how? If someone has to clean toilets for his imcome, and decides to spend it all on ISK to replace his 50 battleships/titans whatever i poped, what do i care? I will just smile and feel very comfortable. 
Besides, it is not possible to regulate as he will just go to ebay if it was ...
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Shaemell Buttleson
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:37:00 -
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Skunk is right.
CCP are within their rights to do do this but AFAIC any soapbox statements about unfair advantages etc etc from them about PPL buying ISK from other sources are just complete hypocrisy.
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Agif
UnderDog Industries
Total Eclipse Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:46:00 -
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I agree with Le Skunk.
Timecodes are a Joke.
Spend a thousand bucks a get a mothership.
Well i have the means to do that but why ?
Sad thing is some ppl do it and its the reason im playing WOW atm :)
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Kaimon ValDreth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:42:00 -
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Its the fight fire with fire approach. Player base will RMT regardless of the situation.
At least this way CCP gets the money and can reinvest into the game. I would much rather see that than boost the plat farmers wallets and get no further returns out of it.
In their game they call whats legal and what isn't. They call whats right and what is wrong. They call the shots they make the decisions if ya don't like it keep playing wow and make a little less lag for all of us. You wont be missed don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
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KhaniKirai
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:43:00 -
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Farming for isk= influence on market DIRECTLY.
Player 1, pays his account directly with montly fee, has no influence on market with that action directly.
Player 2, spents 2 weeks of every month to farm isk to buy GTC card from a fellow player. This is 2 weeks manhour that effects the market. He has 2 weeks left, to spent his time in the same way as player 1 can spent it all month.
Player 3, its not really a player, its someone, that sells the isk he makes directly for RTM. 80 percent of these would otherwise have trouble to make a living. Its for them a job.
Most likely, they buy their GTC card with ISK as well from players.
Since he knows better what he does then player 2, he spents 1 week for his own monthly GTC and 3 weeks for isk to sell for money.
Thats 4 weeks of direct influence on the market.
If player 2 and 3 would not spent most of their time farming ISK in whatever way.
The market would have way lower volumes, things would be more rare and ships and equipment would even be more costly in spent playing time. However their market prices would rise in isk. And here is why people make the mistake, they say it doesnt matter. But the isk price of items is not that important.
Items/ships and whatever thing in game gets a value based on: time spent.
The game would become even more risky then it is now, there would be WAY less titans and motherships and all. Have no mistakes, these things are build with minerals mined by playertype 2 and 3.
Now CCP states, that only player 3 is bad and has a bad influence on market. Thats pure nonsense, player 2, has also a BIG and EXACTLY the same effect on the market. If he didnt had to farm isk for his GTC, he most likely would produce LESS items/minerals/bounty in game per average manhour he spent in game.
Due to his playstyle AS WELL, items get less rare, then they could be.
CCP is balancing the drop chances and loot tables nonstop to balance the game, if they think, certain stuff gets too much in game, they will reduce the chances. That means the chance for player 1 to get something gets lower, because player 2 and 3 are farming it nonstop to earn isk.
Most likely, the game would become unplayeble on this point already, if 100 percent ISK farmers(player type 3) and 50 percent ISK farmers (player type 2) would suddenly be gone. Players of type 1, should then suddenly play totally different.
They would risk suddenly way more. Equipment/ships would get way more costly in manhour spent in game.
Titans, motherships, carriers, BS, marauders, they suddenly would be even a bigger achievements. It would be way tougher to make them, then now.
Lets not make a mistake, on this moment eve is a pyramid game, where people, that control RARE resources are the ones, that buy tons and tons of stuff from the "slaves", these are the people that farm common resources and get a GTC card or some RTM for it.
I think CCP knows dang well, that GTC card trading has the same effect on their game, but they want to make RTM as well, in whatever way they can.
They cant stand it, that some third party gets part of the RTM, instead that it all goes to them.
The only "evil" of an isk farmer, that sells game resources for RTM is, that the RTM goes to another person then CCP.
Otherwise the player farming game resources for buying GTC card with isk, has exactly the same effects on the game as the isk farmer, that farms game resources and then sells its for RTM.
They both are farming game resources and influencing the market.
And sorry CCP, we are not little kids, that needs your protection to protect us for possible frauding people, that pretent they want to sell us ISK and then scam us RL. We can do that ourself, so that excuse, is not valid either.
This is not a game debat, its a financial fight between CCP and third parties, that each want to make RTM. And as it goes in financial fights, parties do their best to make the other party looking very bad.
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NeedMoarIsk
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: NeedMoarIsk on 15/04/2008 18:27:58
[SENTENCE DEFENDING LE SKUNK]
[SUGGESTION THAT EVERYONE IS NOT SEEING THE ORIGINAL POINT]
[QUOTE FROM SOME NOOB WHICH INCLUDES WITTY RETORT IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE MYSELF LOOK INTELLIGENT]
[SUMMARY OF POINTS AND FINISH WITH HUMOROUS ANECDOTE]
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: NeedMoarIsk
Edited by: NeedMoarIsk on 15/04/2008 18:27:58
[SENTENCE DEFENDING LE SKUNK]
[SUGGESTION THAT EVERYONE IS NOT SEEING THE ORIGINAL POINT]
[QUOTE FROM SOME NOOB WHICH INCLUDES WITTY RETORT IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE MYSELF LOOK INTELLIGENT]
[SUMMARY OF POINTS AND FINISH WITH HUMOROUS ANECDOTE]
TWO LINE COUNTERPOINT
SEVERAL PARAGRAPHS OF WELL TYPED FILLER IN SLIGHTLY CONDESCENDING LANGAUGE
RESTATEMENT OF ORIGINAL POINT
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Agif
I agree with Le Skunk.
Timecodes are a Joke.
Spend a thousand bucks a get a mothership.
Well i have the means to do that but why ?
Sad thing is some ppl do it and its the reason im playing WOW atm :)
Good job people can't RMT their way through WoW. You did the right thing.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
NeedMoarIsk
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Agif
I agree with Le Skunk.
Timecodes are a Joke.
Spend a thousand bucks a get a mothership.
Well i have the means to do that but why ?
Sad thing is some ppl do it and its the reason im playing WOW atm :)
Good job people can't RMT their way through WoW. You did the right thing.
I kno rite! WoW doesn't have that problem AT ALL.
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Maekar Stormborn
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Posted - 2008.04.15 20:30:00 -
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How many cancelled accounts due to CCP's poor policies and customer service?
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.04.15 20:36:00 -
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Le Skunk .. your numbers sound about right to me. I've run the numbers before, and came to roughly the same amount. Which is simply why CCP have decided to close/control the market - it's too big to ignore.
That said, the an average affiliate for GTC earning 5% - 10% commissions, there is a $150k - $300k Market for people running websites with affiliate referrals, and suppliers like shattered crystal and battle clinic must be making a pretty penny out of the GTC only method.
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