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Falcon Troy
Caldari
Awesome People Secret Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Falcon Troy on 15/04/2008 22:22:31
Reinstate NPC shuttles. Make them refine into nothing.
There's no way the players will be able to fill every station in EVE with shuttles and that severely limits the convenience that shuttles are supposed to provide in the first place: Cheap, available, and fast transportation. Nothing more or less.
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Shaun Klaroh
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:24:00 -
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Why not travel in an egg? Aren't they just a little faster in regards to warping?
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Chinger
Caldari
Mentis Fidelis
R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:26:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Shaun Klaroh
Why not travel in an egg? Aren't they just a little faster in regards to warping?
They are, but one rogue smartbomb and *pop*
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shaun Klaroh
Why not travel in an egg? Aren't they just a little faster in regards to warping?
They align quicker but only travel at 3 AU/s instead of 6 AU/s. Also, if you need to afk/autopilot for whatever reason, the shuttle moves much quicker sublight.
CCP should just make it so you can't leave your ship and voluntarily pod around, like the old days. With the lack of availability of shuttles, it would be worth it for the lols, and follows their logical patterns anyways.
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Kairusen Laidan
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:44:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Kairusen Laidan on 15/04/2008 22:44:08
Price cap removal = Excellent - remember this will massively boost the legitimate economy as well, so most of the minimal increase that macro scum get will be negated by the fact that everyone else gets the same increases [kinda, I think - I'm no economist  ]
Shuttles now costing 10x more and being harder to find = bad! I rely on these bad boys to shuttle between my mission running bases and my minin' base. Still it's finally an excuse to use ol' Rusty the Condor 
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Viral Shadow
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:45:00 -
[66]
give it a few days and shuttle prices are surely to drop.
but hey who knows maybe now people will take the effort to actually haul those massive hauler spawns in 0.0 with 50 mill trit.
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Shaun Klaroh
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chinger
Originally by: Shaun Klaroh
Why not travel in an egg? Aren't they just a little faster in regards to warping?
They are, but one rogue smartbomb and *pop*
That's the price you pay for not buying a shuttle. Sorry, that's Capitalism for you.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:50:00 -
[68]
hell yeah forces of supply and demand in action
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Shaun Klaroh
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:51:00 -
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It's not like the 8million price war will last. I mean, eventually it will drop to more sane and reasonable levels. Prices will fluctuate based on availability, meaning outer-systems might have issues buying them, but that only puts pressure on convoys to have better security when going out there to put 'em up for sale.
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Mike Rowlings
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Shuttles have apparently been removed from the NPC markets because they were acting as a price cap for Tritanium.
Time for us manufacturers to start building....
Can someone explain how shuttles were used as a price cap for Trit? I've not been around long so I don't get it.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.04.15 22:58:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Mike Rowlings
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Shuttles have apparently been removed from the NPC markets because they were acting as a price cap for Tritanium.
Time for us manufacturers to start building....
Can someone explain how shuttles were used as a price cap for Trit? I've not been around long so I don't get it.
they sold at a "fixed" npc price and could be refined
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:00:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Mike Rowlings
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Shuttles have apparently been removed from the NPC markets because they were acting as a price cap for Tritanium.
Time for us manufacturers to start building....
Can someone explain how shuttles were used as a price cap for Trit? I've not been around long so I don't get it.
Shuttles refine to give you a certain amount of trit. If you can guarantee to buy an unlimited number of shuttles at a fixed price, you're essentially guaranteeing that you can buy a bundle of trit for said fixed price, from NPCs.
In this case, NPC's were guaranteed to sell unlimited shuttles at 9,000 isk (was it?) and each shuttle refines to 2,500 trit at perfect efficiency. That means you could essentially buy 1 unit of trit from NPC's for 3.6 isk a piece.
That means that if the price of trit ever tried to creep above 3.6, people would just buy 1000's of shuttles and flood the market with the trit to make an instant profit, ensuring the prices never stay above that figure for long.
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ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
SATRAPY
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:01:00 -
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nerfing shuttle was a big mistake, we dont have interbus, and we dont have shuttles.  Traveling is going to become a ***** now .
Why didnt ccp just turn off refining for shuttles?
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:03:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Mike Rowlings
Can someone explain how shuttles were used as a price cap for Trit? I've not been around long so I don't get it.
Hit reprocess on a shuttle and you get around 2150 Tritanium with no standings. At 9k isk/shuttle that is 9000/2150=4.19 isk the unit of tritanium.
So if you needed tritanium and the price was over 4.19 isk you could just buy shuttles and reprocess them.
I had 400k tritanium leftover sitting in my hangar. Just bought 3 shuttle blueprints and started cooking them 
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:16:00 -
[75]
Originally by: AleRiperKilt
I had 400k tritanium leftover sitting in my hangar. Just bought 3 shuttle blueprints and started cooking them
I just bought a shuttle BPO as well... at 35k for the print why not? As long as there's 20% in it I'll build whatever.
What I suspect is going to happen though is that shuttles will end up like most frigates (at least in high sec): not enough of them will be destroyed and with the NPC supply dried up more people will be inclined to use them briefly and then resell them. Trit price cap aside, this is probably an opportunity for bottom- feeding traders more than anything.
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:18:00 -
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This change just stinks to be honest. I fully support the removal of the trit gap, but not being able to buy shuttles at every station is going to suck hard. Trying to move multiple ships to one location, without available shuttles to go back in, really blows.
Making shuttles refine into 1, or 0, tritanium would have been a much better solution.
Or at the very least, keep it as is, but reduce the repackaged size of shuttles to like.. 50m3. Something that easily fits into every single normal ship in the game, of all classes. So that if you want to move a bunch of frigates with rigs, ect, you can carry a shuttle along with you to go back for the next.
As an unintended consequence, I think this is going to lump folks into market hubs even more and make lesser used stations, even less used.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:19:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Tarminic
Why make static content more static when you can make it more player driven? Unfortunately the side effect is that this will annoy people until the markets are populated again.
I can see where you're coming from on that one but (hopefully) without stirring up the hornets' nest of RL political economic hullaballoo I think this is going to be one of those cases where the private sector isn't going to do nearly as good a job. There's no way the free market is going to cover every station and doesn't that severely limit the shuttle's appeal?
I could be wrong I guess, it's probably worth finding out anyway. But yeah, regardless it's going to be pretty entertaining for a couple of weeks.
Correct. So there will be an opportunity for players to make a living supplying those stations.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:22:00 -
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Now we just need CCP to remove every other NPC sell order and there will be a proper player driven economy.
Originally by: Draekas Darkwater
This change just stinks to be honest. I fully support the removal of the trit gap, but not being able to buy shuttles at every station is going to suck hard. Trying to move multiple ships to one location, without available shuttles to go back in, really blows.
Maybe I'm missing something, but what stops you flying back in your pod or a rookie ship?
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motomysz
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:28:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Maybe I'm missing something, but what stops you flying back in your pod or a rookie ship?
If you continue to post logically, I'll report you to Goonswarm leadership.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: AleRiperKilt
Originally by: Mike Rowlings
Can someone explain how shuttles were used as a price cap for Trit? I've not been around long so I don't get it.
Hit reprocess on a shuttle and you get around 2150 Tritanium with no standings. At 9k isk/shuttle that is 9000/2150=4.19 isk the unit of tritanium.
So if you needed tritanium and the price was over 4.19 isk you could just buy shuttles and reprocess them.
I had 400k tritanium leftover sitting in my hangar. Just bought 3 shuttle blueprints and started cooking them
9000isk/2500trit for perfect skills&standings = 3.6 isk/trit
anyways... velspar now beats kernite and spodumain (although that has a bit of trit in it aswell -.-)
too bad, 0.0 mining starts with gneiss/dark ochre these days. in angel regions, that requires -0.35 or lower true security status. not only are angels ugly to tank with their mix of projectile ammo especially in those systems, but suuure: let's reduce base explo shield resitances aswell.
hey BoB: if you want to hurt goons e.a., may i also suggest a reduction of alloyed trit bars' value? ohwait - i hear, you just gave caldari their angel extravaganza back.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Quelque Chose on 15/04/2008 23:34:23
Originally by: Malcanis
Correct. So there will be an opportunity for players to make a living supplying those stations.
Eh... not much of one tbh. I currently manufacture and sell low- end items that I judge to be profitable, but I try to keep my hauling to a minimum; I'll dump a few hundred units of [module X] at whatever location seems like a winner and make more when my stock gets low; more stops in a hauler is exactly what I don't want as it gets time consuming and mind- numbing. Moreover, shuttles are massive compared with say ammo or coprocessors or whatever.
On top of that, even if you can pull a margin of 50% or more in some areas that way the real payout per unit will be so tiny as to make it not worth the effort involved; there's still a price cap on shuttles because at 30k/ ship you can just buy a frigate instead.
Will somebody do it? Maybe. Won't be me though.
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Xioden Acap
Lightspeed Enterprises
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:34:00 -
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None of this changes the fact that trit prices stabalized a ways below trit prices, and at least outside of Jita, prices are still the same 2.4-3.6 million. I'm looking at about 300 million units of trit at or below 3.6/unit. Don't buy into the manipulation at Jita and in 2-3 days prices will settle right back to where they were.
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:38:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Now we just need CCP to remove every other NPC sell order and there will be a proper player driven economy.
Originally by: Draekas Darkwater
stuff
Maybe I'm missing something, but what stops you flying back in your pod or a rookie ship?
Nothing. Its just slower and much more annoying. Another unneeded, unfun time sink in a game overflowing with them already.
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Mike Rowlings
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:39:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Draekas Darkwater
This change just stinks to be honest. I fully support the removal of the trit gap, but not being able to buy shuttles at every station is going to suck hard. Trying to move multiple ships to one location, without available shuttles to go back in, really blows.
Making shuttles refine into 1, or 0, tritanium would have been a much better solution.
Or at the very least, keep it as is, but reduce the repackaged size of shuttles to like.. 50m3. Something that easily fits into every single normal ship in the game, of all classes. So that if you want to move a bunch of frigates with rigs, ect, you can carry a shuttle along with you to go back for the next.
As an unintended consequence, I think this is going to lump folks into market hubs even more and make lesser used stations, even less used.
I agree with one point: shuttles should be much smaller in size. It really doesn't make sense the need for 500m3 of volume.
But I love this whole new concept of transferring control over to players. In order for the market to be truly dynamic it first has to be player-controlled. And this is the right step in that direction, IMHO.
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Kvirie
Caldari
Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:42:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Cipher7
Time to mine some Veldspar.
I've been stockpiling my veldspar while I train refining skills, guess that was the right call.
Yay for free market in EVE, this is gonna be awesome.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:43:00 -
[86]
Cool. I happen to have a minni shuttle BPO.
Anyone care to buy an unarmed combat drone?
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Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:45:00 -
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Dumbest change ever? And thats saying A **** TON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shaun Klaroh
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:47:00 -
[88]
Originally by: motomysz
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Maybe I'm missing something, but what stops you flying back in your pod or a rookie ship?
If you continue to post logically, I'll report you to Goonswarm leadership.
Awww, I never got that threat. I'm so ignored. :P
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motomysz
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 23:50:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Shaun Klaroh
Awww, I never got that threat. I'm so ignored. :P
Enable your corp/alliance ticker, or people won't even know you're a goon... they might take you semi-seriously and even read what you post.
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Kvirie
Caldari
Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.16 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kvirie on 16/04/2008 00:03:38
I don't think shuttles will remain hard to find. I plan to sell them so when you're in the area, if you don't see any on the market, I'll see what I can do for the traveler in need.
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