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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.16 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sim'a Nuk shuttle - ME0, PE0 = 3375 trit. 1 minute old eng. alt = 4 manufacturing slots price of shuttle bpo 45.000,00 ISK manufacturing time = 1h 40min/shuttle
Do the math, every industrial carebear noob can have 12 manufacturing slots on 1 account. He mines veld in his retriever, refines it and hauls 1.17M of trit (3GSC in Iteron 3) to every nearby station with manufacturing slot. 1.17 M of trit equals to 346 shuttles produced with a character with PE0 from bpo with ME0... in 2 days
shuttles will be back very soon
But nobody (well almost nobody) want to use 1 market slot for selling 100 shuttles and repeat that in all system of a region.
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Eternal Hatred
Amarr Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.16 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista NPC's stopped selling them to remove the price cap of trit of 3.6. So we are seing a small hickup while the market regulates itself and people starts producing shuttles.
Everything will be as normal in 2 weeks. Just hold on guys
So your gonna seed all the stations in lowsec with shuttles? Great! _________________
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.16 07:16:00 -
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lol, ive got like 1000 shuttles sitting in some low sec system, awesome -----
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Kakita J
Placid Reborn Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.16 07:22:00 -
[154]
Simply changing their price to like 30-50k would have done the same job better, although then a price cap would _theoretically_ be still in place. But a price cap is de facto in place as long as NPCs sell refinable stuff of any kind. While I can see Trit climb to 5 or 6 over such a hype, expecting it to sustainedly rise above 10 is not really reasonable. At this point, all of the game balance with regards to insurance and/or risk vs. reward would be long gone anyway.
-------------------------------------- "They better fix the *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* jump *bleep* gates before I *bleep**bleep**bleep* and then some."
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Mystic5hadow
Knights of the Black Abyss
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Posted - 2008.04.16 07:22:00 -
[155]
Good think I've amassed enough to supply a small army
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.04.16 07:23:00 -
[156]
Well according to eve-market site: LINK
Shuttles are getting more expensive. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.16 07:23:00 -
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I would like to concur with the opinion that this is a bad idea. I can understand (although not necessarily agree with) the need to deal with them as a price cap for Trit, but shuttles were damn handy. Pods and rookie ships are poor choices for shuttling yourself around, both have a gimped 3au/sec warp speed and a similarly slow sublight speed. NPC sold shuttles need to stay. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.04.16 07:39:00 -
[158]
hmm interesting change I like lucky I still have those throw away shuttles lying all over empire. |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista NPC's stopped selling them to remove the price cap of trit of 3.6. So we are seing a small hickup while the market regulates itself and people starts producing shuttles.
Everything will be as normal in 2 weeks. Just hold on guys
Not it won't, people will not be able or willing to supply every station out there with a supply at reasonable prices if at all. I find your lack of vision disturbing.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Seetesh
Caldari Pixels Docks
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:17:00 -
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Oh god im glad i brought 800 for flying around in then just last month hahah.
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Space Explorer
Minmatar Evil Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:28:00 -
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Besides the recycling effect, this in itself will increase the veld price because tons and tons of shuttles have to be build now to seed the markets.
Shuttles are still the most used ship in game.
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Neodome
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:30:00 -
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I think its necessary to point out that with this change the market will more reflect the IRL market as it will be fueled by demand/supply, it will allso help the manufacturers to really get into manufacturing stuff more.
As the supply rises the price will go down eventually.
I personally see this as a great thing.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Neodome I personally see this as a great thing.
From a purely marktet point of view, I agree. But what worries me, and apparently others, is that shuttles are the most efficient method to travel long distances without much hassle. No NPC shuttles also means that shuttles are only sold where much traffic is. So you're left without a shuttle if you're in no-mans land. Which, btw, probably will only cause people to crowd even further. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner. |
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 16/04/2008 08:37:08
Originally by: Neodome I think its necessary to point out that with this change the market will more reflect the IRL market as it will be fueled by demand/supply, it will allso help the manufacturers to really get into manufacturing stuff more.
As the supply rises the price will go down eventually.
I personally see this as a great thing.
Only being able to buy shuttles at reasonably busy systems is indeed going to be awesome, yay for a richer gaming experience... -----
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:37:00 -
[165]
Awesome!
Thanks for making buying ships a pain in the ass now CCP. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Neodome
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind From a purely marktet point of view, I agree. But what worries me, and apparently others, is that shuttles are the most efficient method to travel long distances without much hassle. No NPC shuttles also means that shuttles are only sold where much traffic is. So you're left without a shuttle if you're in no-mans land. Which, btw, probably will only cause people to crowd even further.
I see your point however if you want to get shuttles sold more widespread as a trader, I think it will allso spread to the less traffic areas for smaler traders.
And people running traderoutes can just buy an extra batch of shuttles and drop off at a destination to futher increase their profit.
And as we are so many players propability is that someone will put shuttles in even a remote location.
The crowding and I assume your allso thinking about increased lag will have to be an issue that CCP probably will find a solution for.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Neodome The crowding and I assume your allso thinking about increased lag will have to be an issue that CCP probably will find a solution for.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2008.04.16 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Neodome
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind From a purely marktet point of view, I agree. But what worries me, and apparently others, is that shuttles are the most efficient method to travel long distances without much hassle. No NPC shuttles also means that shuttles are only sold where much traffic is. So you're left without a shuttle if you're in no-mans land. Which, btw, probably will only cause people to crowd even further.
I see your point however if you want to get shuttles sold more widespread as a trader, I think it will allso spread to the less traffic areas for smaler traders.
And people running traderoutes can just buy an extra batch of shuttles and drop off at a destination to futher increase their profit.
And as we are so many players propability is that someone will put shuttles in even a remote location.
The crowding and I assume your allso thinking about increased lag will have to be an issue that CCP probably will find a solution for.
Why did they have to nuke the shuttle sell mechanism?
The refining issue I can understand. But why not make shuttles unrefinable? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.04.16 09:10:00 -
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I, Johnny Wishbone, famous claivoyant, predict a Need For Speed "initiative" where shuttles no long show up on your assets register. In about two years time.
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Ordon Gundar
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Posted - 2008.04.16 09:17:00 -
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Just another temporary boom that will end in a major bust.
Give it a month, when the market is heaving with Veldspar, and watch the prices plummet!!
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Ashlee Darksky
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Posted - 2008.04.16 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: DroneBay Diva Stealth Chribba boost detected.
Nerf Veldspar, its overpowered!
Yeah that's what will probably happen next... A veldspar nerf. So the timeline of events:
1. Stop shuttles being produced by NPC's 2. Watch trit prices skyrocket 3. Panic as the economy goes wonkey and the users revolt on the forums 4. Do the stupid and wrong thing and nerf veldspar and other mins
The sensible thing to do, would be have shuttles that are still produced by NPC's but either cannot be refined, or refine into much fewer minerals!
If this does become a problem PLEASE CONSIDER THE SENSIBLE OPTION rather than compounding the problem and nerfing stuff.
Sensible option = Make shuttles non refinable, or refine into fewer miners BUT still built by NPC's.
I have a feeling this was a very poorly considered move!
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Forge Lag
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Posted - 2008.04.16 09:37:00 -
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If you think shuttles will become readily avaiable from players, they will not.
Look if common ammo and drones are readily avaiable to missioners. There are shortages in Dodi for speaking out loud (check Phased Plasma in Serpentis region!); while I can travel 3 jumps to buy overpriced drones in higsec you will be hardly willing to do that for shuttle in lowsec. (Yes I carry BPCs now, all the traders are good for fuelling shuttle speculations on forums while the fad lasts but will never bother to sell low isk goods anywhere.)
As far as trit prices go, shuttles were never big source of it and there is still insurance. It is all traders praying on traders while the fad lasts.
Shuttles are dead. More time spent looking at warp screen and babysitting jumpage and freezing market UI. Fun is for Wow kids we have Eve and razors and a one man economist army.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.04.16 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: DroneBay Diva Stealth Chribba boost detected.
Nerf Veldspar, its overpowered!
Yeah that's what will probably happen next... A veldspar nerf. So the timeline of events:
1. Stop shuttles being produced by NPC's 2. Watch trit prices skyrocket 3. Panic as the economy goes wonkey and the users revolt on the forums 4. Do the stupid and wrong thing and nerf veldspar and other mins
The sensible thing to do, would be have shuttles that are still produced by NPC's but either cannot be refined, or refine into much fewer minerals!
If this does become a problem PLEASE CONSIDER THE SENSIBLE OPTION rather than compounding the problem and nerfing stuff.
Sensible option = Make shuttles non refinable, or refine into fewer miners BUT still built by NPC's.
I have a feeling this was a very poorly considered move!
What you are saying is that you are against everything being built by players?
In that case, i dont agree with you. Im all for EVERYTHING being built by players. Shuttle's should be no different.
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Galleintak
Gallente Omni Corp Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.16 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Galleintak on 16/04/2008 09:54:20
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What you are saying is that you are against everything being built by players?
In that case, i dont agree with you. Im all for EVERYTHING being built by players. Shuttle's should be no different.
Remove all items from LP stores and all kinds of item-loot then, shuttles is so small part of all this large non-player economy in EVE....
Only BPC and manufacturing resources must be looted, then EVE would be sandbox as CCP falsly state...
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.16 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Quelque Chose on 16/04/2008 09:59:25 Edited by: Quelque Chose on 16/04/2008 09:58:13
Originally by: LaVista Vista What you are saying is that you are against everything being built by players?
In that case, i dont agree with you. Im all for EVERYTHING being built by players. Shuttle's should be no different.
What about general freight containers? You want some poor schlep to build those and lug them around? Or maybe if I want one I have to train up to freighters, splash out a bil and spend all day dragging ass to Jita? No thanks.
"Everything Built By Players!" makes a great slogan but it doesn't always make for good gameplay.
Besides, I pay taxes to these NPC bloodsuckers and I figure I might as well get some services for that.
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.04.16 10:02:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Quelque Chose Edited by: Quelque Chose on 16/04/2008 09:59:25 Edited by: Quelque Chose on 16/04/2008 09:58:13
Originally by: LaVista Vista What you are saying is that you are against everything being built by players?
In that case, i dont agree with you. Im all for EVERYTHING being built by players. Shuttle's should be no different.
What about general freight containers? You want some poor schlep to build those and lug them around? Or maybe if I want one I have to train up to freighters, splash out a bil and spend all day dragging ass to Jita? No thanks.
"Everything Built By Players!" makes a great slogan but it doesn't always make for good gameplay.
Besides, I pay taxes to these NPC bloodsuckers and I figure I might as well get some services for that.
Well you know the containers coiuld just be sold where they are built..you dont have to go all the way to a trade hub you know?
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Cygore
Amarr The Drekla Consortium VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 10:12:00 -
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I see this as an opportunity. Thanks CCP.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.16 10:14:00 -
[178]
My shuttle business just got an awesome boost
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Ashlee Darksky
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Posted - 2008.04.16 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
Originally by: Haradgrim
Originally by: DroneBay Diva Stealth Chribba boost detected.
Nerf Veldspar, its overpowered!
Yeah that's what will probably happen next... A veldspar nerf. So the timeline of events:
1. Stop shuttles being produced by NPC's 2. Watch trit prices skyrocket 3. Panic as the economy goes wonkey and the users revolt on the forums 4. Do the stupid and wrong thing and nerf veldspar and other mins
The sensible thing to do, would be have shuttles that are still produced by NPC's but either cannot be refined, or refine into much fewer minerals!
If this does become a problem PLEASE CONSIDER THE SENSIBLE OPTION rather than compounding the problem and nerfing stuff.
Sensible option = Make shuttles non refinable, or refine into fewer miners BUT still built by NPC's.
I have a feeling this was a very poorly considered move!
What you are saying is that you are against everything being built by players?
In that case, i dont agree with you. Im all for EVERYTHING being built by players. Shuttle's should be no different.
I'm not saying that at all so don't put words in my mouth! I also support player building and production but this will have a massive knock-on effect throughout EVE.
Trit is like the oil of EVE. If prices of trit rise, everything rises.
I don't think EVERYTHING should be produced by players because there would be a massive shortage. There is simply not enough production to meet demand (yet!). Before I get flamed for that - do the research!
What I am saying, is that IF this backfires then CCP need to consider their options carefully before going with a knee-jerk over-reaction uber nerf!
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Ashlee Darksky
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Posted - 2008.04.16 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Celeste Coeval Well you know the containers coiuld just be sold where they are built..you dont have to go all the way to a trade hub you know?
Oh OK... some guy is going to travel around building GFCs in every station in the region. We'll call him "the GFC fairy."
While we're at it why don't we just make the faction police player- operated to? We'll all take 8 hour shifts.
Can I get one of those Concord Battleships? Superb for OMGWTFBBQPWNAGE in 2 shots
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