Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Dronefragger
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:06:00 -
[91]
I can get almost 218 shuttles from one can of normal veld.
time to start hoarding shuttle BPOs like no tomorrow.
|
Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:06:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Wouldn't it have been simpler to just make shuttles not refine into anything?
Then we could still have our convenient transport for those little jaunts we all take sooner or later as well as removing the price cap.
While it is nice players can add making shuttles to a potentially worthwhile endeavor that is one item I think was better in the NPC sphere to allow for (mostly) uniform coverage.
The NPCs selling items at a fixed price is a bit unfair for those of us who want to work in the market, but have an insurmountable source of competition that never changes and always meets demand. I think the first mining barge I bought was NPC sold. The second was cheaper, but that player had to sell cheaper due to the npcs.
|
Imperator Jora'h
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:17:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 16/04/2008 00:28:03
Originally by: Scatim Helicon Maybe I'm missing something, but what stops you flying back in your pod or a rookie ship?
A few reasons:
1) Pods are slower...particularly to AFK in.
2) Embarrassment. Everyone assumes you got blown up.
3) No cargo. Not that shuttles had much cargo but that teeny bit was enough to be useful for many things.
4) Most important how many noob frigs do you think will start taking pot shots at passing pods for the lulz (sounds like a perfect Goon thing actually)? Heck, just look at the pilot's age and you can cost them tens of millions for the new medical clone alone. Not to mention potential implant loss which can be staggeringly expensive. Of course they need not AFK in a pod but now the option really isn't there to zoom from A to B while you get a beer and take a leak.
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
|
Sirius Problem
Darkness Inc. Arcane Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:19:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Sirius Problem on 16/04/2008 00:19:13
Originally by: Alowishus I had this crazy idea to buy every shuttle in Jita 4-4 the other day. I don't even know why. I didn't do it and now I am sad [:
One of my corpmates did this in a different system, way before the patch. His intension was to screw over the local macro miners by buying up all the shuttles, then placing them on the market at an inflated price. At the time, he did not realize that all the shuttles he bought would simply be respawned on the market by the NPCs.
So here he was "stuck" with 16,000 shuttles. Over time, he's managed to sell about 4,000 of them. Now he has 12,000 shuttles and is doing a happy dance as he sees unit prices climbing to 1 million and above.
While I do think that prices will come down again, at today's prices, the balance of his inventory is worth about 12 billion Not too bad considering his initial purchase was roughly 144 million. ---- I am Super Cool
|
Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:23:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 16/04/2008 00:31:48
Originally by: Letrange -.-;
Shuttles for 1 mil. That won't last long. Pretty soon the price will be sub-10k in empire. Availability will be the issue. They are cheap as heck to make.
/me dusts off his shuttle BPO
I knew this would come in handy eventually :P
ditto dude ditto
THANKYOU CCP
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Imperator Jora'h
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:24:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 16/04/2008 00:30:46 Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 16/04/2008 00:26:56
Originally by: Kvirie The NPCs selling items at a fixed price is a bit unfair for those of us who want to work in the market, but have an insurmountable source of competition that never changes and always meets demand. I think the first mining barge I bought was NPC sold. The second was cheaper, but that player had to sell cheaper due to the npcs.
I am all for players working the market and I have blathered on plenty of times about removing things like T1 loot drops to allow a player market to evolve there.
I think this is a special case however. Shuttles served a utility function that made EVE easier to deal with (e.g. moving back and forth to fly several rigged ships to a new station or go grab that one mod you want 5j away rather than fly the slow ass battleship you are in).
I cannot see how players can provide this in a fashion that will meet the ease of use the previous way had (being in every station). Yeah that would keep players out of this one particular item but seems a small price to pay.
Who knows, maybe in time people will put shuttles on market from random zooming around and we'll get good coverage. I still think this would have been better left in the NPC realm.
Note I am all for the removal of price caps. That change is good to see.
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
|
Ira Theos
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:27:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 15/04/2008 22:22:31
Reinstate NPC shuttles. Make them refine into nothing.
There's no way the players will be able to fill every station in EVE with shuttles and that severely limits the convenience that shuttles are supposed to provide in the first place: Cheap, available, and fast transportation. Nothing more or less.
***************
Nonesense... now noobs can earn isk by just flying them to remote locations and selling them for more. For once CCP has listened to the economist and done what is good for the game model. Good job CCP.
|
Recon Three
181st Legion
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:28:00 -
[98]
I've got about 100 shuttles in random spots.. time to sell. __________
|
Imperator Jora'h
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:34:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Sirius Problem So here he was "stuck" with 16,000 shuttles. Over time, he's managed to sell about 4,000 of them. Now he has 12,000 shuttles and is doing a happy dance as he sees unit prices climbing to 1 million and above.
Man...who the hell would buy a shuttle for 1 million?
I can pick up a Tormentor for about 40,000 ISK (and doubtless every race has something about that cheap). Even the most expensive frig is only 300-400K.
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
|
Abrazzar
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:42:00 -
[100]
I'm wondering when Goonswarm starts targeting lone pods instead of exhumers, now that shuttles are rarer and people will possibly pod around more often.... -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
|
|
Ho HsienKo
Delictum 23216
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:45:00 -
[101]
Good to see that EVE is starting to drop the restraints to it becoming the truly player driven world it professes to be. kudos CCP ; ]
I may start logging in for more than just skill changes again.
|
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:48:00 -
[102]
I wonder what the news article for this one will be....
Improve Market Competition! |
Ira Theos
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:51:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Ira Theos on 16/04/2008 00:52:39
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Sirius Problem So here he was "stuck" with 16,000 shuttles. Over time, he's managed to sell about 4,000 of them. Now he has 12,000 shuttles and is doing a happy dance as he sees unit prices climbing to 1 million and above.
Man...who the hell would buy a shuttle for 1 million?
I can pick up a Tormentor for about 40,000 ISK (and doubtless every race has something about that cheap). Even the most expensive frig is only 300-400K. ***************
So economic alternative utility theory says that shuttles should be priced somewhere just below the alternatives? Is that what you are saying?? Then good!! Again... good job CCP! It makes sense and improves the economy and economic opportunities for new players. (Not to mention the industrial sector. Anything that dilutes the stranglehold that the T2/Moon Mining Hegemony has on the wealth in Eve is a good thing TBFH !
|
Ira Theos
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 00:52:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Ho HsienKo Good to see that EVE is starting to drop the restraints to it becoming the truly player driven world it professes to be. kudos CCP ; ]
I may start logging in for more than just skill changes again.
**************
QFFT!! Bravo CCP!!
|
Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 01:20:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Lord Fitz on 16/04/2008 01:21:41
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Shuttles have apparently been removed from the NPC markets because they were acting as a price cap for Tritanium.
The idiocy of it all is that this was showing that CCP was not providing enough supply for tritanium through ingame means, they talked about all sorts of serious fixes for this, but instead settled on the easiest worst possible solution which was thought of by an economist who has no concept of what makes a game different from a real world economy.
The side effect will probably be, no one goes to 0.0 or lowsec at all, mining veld in 1.0 sec will be the most profitable mining around.
Edit: dropping the cap probably isn't a bad idea, but the cap shouldn't be necessary, Tritanium as the most abundant mineral in eve should be cheap, it should be cheap because there is ample supply NOT because there is a cap. If they fixed the supply issue the cap wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
|
Comrade Commizzar
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 01:42:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Comrade Commizzar on 16/04/2008 01:45:08
Originally by: Lord Fitz Edited by: Lord Fitz on 16/04/2008 01:21:41
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Shuttles have apparently been removed from the NPC markets because they were acting as a price cap for Tritanium.
The idiocy of it all is that this was showing that CCP was not providing enough supply for tritanium through ingame means, they talked about all sorts of serious fixes for this, but instead settled on the easiest worst possible solution which was thought of by an economist who has no concept of what makes a game different from a real world economy.
The side effect will probably be, no one goes to 0.0 or lowsec at all, mining veld in 1.0 sec will be the most profitable mining around.
Edit: dropping the cap probably isn't a bad idea, but the cap shouldn't be necessary, Tritanium as the most abundant mineral in eve should be cheap, it should be cheap because there is ample supply NOT because there is a cap. If they fixed the supply issue the cap wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
************
What's a matter? Is the itty bitty PvP monster worried he can't really make it without the Carebears?? Or is he just reminding us all that he has been SUBSIDIZED by CCP all this time?? Hm?? Or maybe the Bourgoise T2/Moon Mining Pig is afraid of what the Proletariat of Eve might do if they get their hands on enough isk??
|
Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 01:44:00 -
[107]
This is a good change.
To whoever earlier thought rookie ships would just replace shuttles because of this change, you don't really know what you're talking about.
- - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles |
Pew Pewk
Pator Tech School
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 01:46:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 15/04/2008 20:14:59 Mein Hulk could now smsahed.
Hulk go to Oimmo. Smash sasmhs smsash.
Seeing Jenny's face and hearing Arnolds voice at the same time, gives me the sudden urge of taking a hot shower.. and wipe that drool off my face.
|
Erunamane
Damage Control Inc
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 01:59:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Lord Fitz Edited by: Lord Fitz on 16/04/2008 01:21:41
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Shuttles have apparently been removed from the NPC markets because they were acting as a price cap for Tritanium.
The idiocy of it all is that this was showing that CCP was not providing enough supply for tritanium through ingame means, they talked about all sorts of serious fixes for this, but instead settled on the easiest worst possible solution which was thought of by an economist who has no concept of what makes a game different from a real world economy.
The side effect will probably be, no one goes to 0.0 or lowsec at all, mining veld in 1.0 sec will be the most profitable mining around.
Edit: dropping the cap probably isn't a bad idea, but the cap shouldn't be necessary, Tritanium as the most abundant mineral in eve should be cheap, it should be cheap because there is ample supply NOT because there is a cap. If they fixed the supply issue the cap wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
I'm under the impression that if everyone moves up to 1.0 to mine velds, then the price of other minerals will rise and thus people will move again to mine it and so on until the prices equilibrate at some level for both tritanium and other minerals.
|
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:10:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Shaun Klaroh A price cap on Tritanium is damaging to the economy. Let alone with recent issues surrounding Goonswarm, this may deter them only slightly with increased Tritanium costs.
Other way around, the price cap on trit sustains the economy. There is a price floor on all minerals via insurance
In short, by removing the cap on trit you are reducing the binding price floor on all other minerals.
Since the cap on trit was binding it was acting as a tritanium infusion into the system taking out isk and inserting materials.
This will result in a net loss for the economy of eve and the profitability of the majority of material producers everywhere, possibly very substantially.
Vote Goumindong for CSM |
|
Forge Lag
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:17:00 -
[111]
This is not good at all. Not even for industrialists.
People buy shuttle for convenience. If I am not guaranteed shuttle readily avaiable below 50k, I am gonna browse market and see if fast combat frig is avaiable first. I do it often when I want to ferry a few mods to/from my other ship. Or, because EvE UI sucks horribly and browsing market is slow I rather just get a noob frig.
If this move was to help industrialists and to lift the price cap on trit, NPCs would just start selling shuttles for say 50k. That way you are guaranteed your shuttle, people go for known product and if there is local supplier he has plenty of room to work in and he is guranteed that customers actually bother to look at his goods.
As it is now it serves no other purpose than to create annoying time sink. Whoever came with this idea gave it no thought at all.
|
Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:20:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Sirius Problem So here he was "stuck" with 16,000 shuttles. Over time, he's managed to sell about 4,000 of them. Now he has 12,000 shuttles and is doing a happy dance as he sees unit prices climbing to 1 million and above.
While I do think that prices will come down again, at today's prices, the balance of his inventory is worth about 12 billion Not too bad considering his initial purchase was roughly 144 million.
I'm seeing lots of shuttle sell orders in the 20-30k range, nobody's going to logically pay 1mil for a shuttle unless they NEED that shuttle, and even then, they'd be able to by a frig, ab, and nano mods and go just as fast. |
Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:26:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Lord Fitz Edited by: Lord Fitz on 16/04/2008 01:21:41
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Shuttles have apparently been removed from the NPC markets because they were acting as a price cap for Tritanium.
The idiocy of it all is that this was showing that CCP was not providing enough supply for tritanium through ingame means, they talked about all sorts of serious fixes for this, but instead settled on the easiest worst possible solution which was thought of by an economist who has no concept of what makes a game different from a real world economy.
The side effect will probably be, no one goes to 0.0 or lowsec at all, mining veld in 1.0 sec will be the most profitable mining around.
Edit: dropping the cap probably isn't a bad idea, but the cap shouldn't be necessary, Tritanium as the most abundant mineral in eve should be cheap, it should be cheap because there is ample supply NOT because there is a cap. If they fixed the supply issue the cap wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Abundance means nothing if people aren't mining it. You'll see a massive rush to mine veld now, market will flood, prices will drop again, and it will eventually stabilize.
|
Kyra Felann
Gallente Noir. Tread Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:31:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
CCP should just make it so you can't leave your ship and voluntarily pod around, like the old days. With the lack of availability of shuttles, it would be worth it for the lols, and follows their logical patterns anyways.
I agree. Capsules are not spaceships. They are devices that let you control spaceships and keep you alive in case your ship gets blown up. You shouldn't be able to undock in a pod, IMO.
|
Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:31:00 -
[115]
I'm reminded of an old phrase...
Much ado about nothing.
|
Raskor
Crossflow Enterprises
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:41:00 -
[116]
I disagree with this change completely. I am all for a player created economy but this is something that had such high utility value it deserved an exception.
If they wanted to circumvent the price cap, they could have lowered or eliminated the refine. Or they could have raised the price. Even at 25k they would still serve a very useful niche.
If they are going to stick with this decision, the least they can do is reduce the packaged volume so that builders can more reasonably supply the outer lying stations that don't have manufacture facilities.
|
umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Fnck the blob.
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:53:00 -
[117]
If you dont like shanks pony, undock in a pod and dock at a station where you have no ships.
You will receive a free noob shift and a gratifying gift of tritanium!! (thats like 5mil isk of free stuff right there)
It has ample fittings and cargo room, if you want something faster then pay for the privelege.
Nothing to see here, move along...
|
Dapanman1
Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:54:00 -
[118]
THIS JUST IN, RIOTS IN THE HALLS OF JITA 4-4. SHUTTLE SHORTAGE DESTROYING EVE, MORE AT 11.
They shoulda removed shuttle BPO seeds too, would have made things more interesting. Beets, you're among friends. |
Richard Third
Gallente The Scope
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:55:00 -
[119]
I use about 2-3 shuttles per play session. Now I can't.
This is the worst nerf ever!
-- You can't do that with a Planet. |
Pithecanthropus
|
Posted - 2008.04.16 02:57:00 -
[120]
yet another CCP fail. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |