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Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.29 02:09:00 - [31] And when are they going to bring out the cylon Dreadghount? I mean, If you read some of the BSG books, the ones about some secret missions before the cylon attack. It mentions a Great dread built by man, And bit more detailed as you go thru the book. ISBN 978-0-575-07966-3 Battlestar Gallactica - The cylon Secret - Graig Shaw Gardner No, its not a pos shooting dread Quote: There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.04.29 02:55:00 - [32] The final Cylon is probably Baltar. While he wasn't hearing All Along the Watchtower, he did say he was hearing some other music. Or he's just lost a few more marbles. Could explain Six as well. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.29 06:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Atomos Darksun The final Cylon is probably Baltar. While he wasn't hearing All Along the Watchtower, he did say he was hearing some other music. Or he's just lost a few more marbles. Could explain Six as well. Except that the creator has specifically said Baltar isn't a Cylon. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Candice Bormardin Caldari Jouvulen Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.29 07:07:00 - [34] Speaking about one Cyclon recognizing another, I wonder if they just don't have some continuity problems. Starbuck's husband is recognized by a raider across some distance of space while each is in their space ship (of course the raider is a space ship) but - the 6 in the cell with Col. Tigh gets much, much closer to him ... in fact she looks like she was about to have sex with him and yet she couldn't tell he was a Cylon. Of course then you have Col. Tigh seeing his wife's face on the 6 he was talking to - while she clearly did not realize that he was seeing her that way. This would tend to make the phantom Cylon's Baltar and others talk to seem more internal halucinations that something real. And yet - we've seen these halucinations act on material objects - such as lifting Baltar to his feet. Maybe the 12th Cylon isn't a physical Cylon at all. Maybe it's a virus with telekinetic power ... shrug Maybe Baltar is a Cylon and they lied to him when they said he wasn't ... Another odd thing about Baltar's Cylon test - it showed that Boomer was a Cylon but not any of the other members of the crew who presumably all took it.
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.04.29 09:31:00 - [35] Edited by: Wild Rho on 29/04/2008 09:36:27 Originally by: Candice Bormardin Speaking about one Cyclon recognizing another, I wonder if they just don't have some continuity problems. Starbuck's husband is recognized by a raider across some distance of space while each is in their space ship (of course the raider is a space ship) but - the 6 in the cell with Col. Tigh gets much, much closer to him ... in fact she looks like she was about to have sex with him and yet she couldn't tell he was a Cylon. Well there's several different ways to look at that: - Until now he's been a "sleeper" and if you look back at the ep where the raider recognises him you do see a reaction at his end to (his eyes flicker red briefly) which could be the Cylon equivalent of an IFF burst. - It's never actually been stated that the Raiders or even the Centurions do not know who the final five are. The Raiders can't talk and until the very recent episodes the Centurions have had their "higher brain functions" suppressed so they follow orders without question. Originally by: Candice Bormardin And yet - we've seen these halucinations act on material objects - such as lifting Baltar to his feet. This is open to interpretation. When we see the hallucinations interact it could simply be that we're seeing this happening from Baltars perspective (which would make sense given we're watching him interact with someone who isn't there). It could simply be that he's physically interacting with whatever he "sees" Six doing and not realising it. Of course this means that the imaginary Six does have the ability to manipulate him in a quite powerful way. Originally by: Candice Bormardin Maybe Baltar is a Cylon and they lied to him when they said he wasn't ... It seems unlikely, the creators themselves said he isn't but I've been wonder recently if he could be one of these "original programmers". We don't really know anything about the nature of these people and Baltar does seem to be tied to the Cylons in some form. My other theory right now is that Starbuck may actually be the first Hybrid and the final Cylon (one of her actual parents) is on Earth already, I don't really have anything in the way of evidence, it's just a fun bit of random speculation I've made for now. Originally by: Candice Bormardin Another odd thing about Baltar's Cylon test - it showed that Boomer was a Cylon but not any of the other members of the crew who presumably all took it. He did state pretty clearly that he rigged it so it would show everyone as human "as it would cause less trouble" - I can't remember his exact words since it's been a while but the meaning is basically the same. It's also implied that he rigged the test right after Boomers as hers was the initial trial followed by the the constant switching between Adam/Rosylens where he reveals the test is now rigged.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Candice Bormardin Speaking about one Cyclon recognizing another, I wonder if they just don't have some continuity problems. Starbuck's husband is recognized by a raider across some distance of space while each is in their space ship (of course the raider is a space ship) but - the 6 in the cell with Col. Tigh gets much, much closer to him ... in fact she looks like she was about to have sex with him and yet she couldn't tell he was a Cylon. Well, I thought the reason that the raider recognised Anders was because he transmitted something to it. Remember he was about to shoot it, then he couldn't due to a "rookie error", then the raider spins round to shoot him. Suddenly, Ander's eyes flash red and the raider does a U-turn and the battles over. Seems to me like some sort of OMFGEMERGENCY protocol went off in Anders, and the raider received a transmission from him with new orders (to bugger off). Seeing as that didn't happen with Tigh and 6, Tyrrol and Boomer or Baltar and anyone, we can assume that none of them were recognised to each other. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Toasted Trucker Toasted Industries	Posted - 2008.04.29 17:12:00 - [37] the last cylon will be lee adama. i base this on the evil eye stare he gave last episode.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Candice Bormardin Speaking about one Cyclon recognizing another, I wonder if they just don't have some continuity problems. Starbuck's husband is recognized by a raider across some distance of space while each is in their space ship (of course the raider is a space ship) but - the 6 in the cell with Col. Tigh gets much, much closer to him ... in fact she looks like she was about to have sex with him and yet she couldn't tell he was a Cylon. I think that there's something special about the raiders, to be honest. When the human cylons were debating whether to lobotomize them or not, they spoke about the Original Programmers designing the raiders for a purpose, and that they shouldn't tamper with their designs. I think that the raiders have some form of innate ability to recognize the final five cylons. Do the centurions have this ability as well? Impossible to say as they haven't encountered any since the four of them realized they were cylons. Quote: Maybe Baltar is a Cylon and they lied to him when they said he wasn't ... No way...given how they speak of the final five cylons, there would have been a noticeable change in their behavior towards him - specifically, they wouldn't have been so easily considering executing him on New Caprica when they forced him to sign the death warrant. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Jonathan Calvert Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:53:00 - [39] Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 29/04/2008 18:54:04 I agree, too much drama, not eneough scifi and pew pew. Compare the first season when they built a stealth Viper, and had to mine a planet for fuel to now when they barely run into a Cyclon fleet anymore. Whats the point of this show anymore? Star Trek has the same fate when they tried some series long story arc instead of just 1 hour of entertainment. And I think the final Cyclon is Baltar, the President, or Starbuck.
Kusha'an Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.04.29 19:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Candice Bormardin Like I said, I've long since ceased to care about the show but I'll watch it just to see how all of this finally ends up. Which is more than I could say for Voyager. Once the half Klingon engineer whose name I'm not going to try to spell without looking it up got pregnant I just couldn't stand to watch a bunch of excruciatingly baby centric episodes so I just stopped. Tuned in for the finale but was busy playing a game while it was on so didn't catch much of that. Yeah, yeah, desperate measures, yeah, yeah super worm hole, yeah OK they're back - the end - thank goodness. 7 of 9 was the only reason I watched that show as long as I did. shrug Reminds me of Earth: Final Conflict. ---- What part of "shorn't" do you not understand?
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.29 19:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Jonathan Calvert Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 29/04/2008 18:54:04 I agree, too much drama, not eneough scifi and pew pew. Compare the first season when they built a stealth Viper, and had to mine a planet for fuel to now when they barely run into a Cyclon fleet anymore. Whats the point of this show anymore? Star Trek has the same fate when they tried some series long story arc instead of just 1 hour of entertainment. Yes, god forbid the explosions take a backseat to character development! I like the fact that they don't get involved in an epic battle every other episode. Hell, if they did they'd run out of ammo, fighters, and crew in no time. Plus, it makes the awesome battles even cooler. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.29 19:49:00 - [42] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jonathan Calvert Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 29/04/2008 18:54:04 I agree, too much drama, not eneough scifi and pew pew. Compare the first season when they built a stealth Viper, and had to mine a planet for fuel to now when they barely run into a Cyclon fleet anymore. Whats the point of this show anymore? Star Trek has the same fate when they tried some series long story arc instead of just 1 hour of entertainment. Yes, god forbid the explosions take a backseat to character development! I like the fact that they don't get involved in an epic battle every other episode. Hell, if they did they'd run out of ammo, fighters, and crew in no time. Plus, it makes the awesome battles even cooler. I definitely tend to agree. I'd be bored sick of it if the program was nothing but shakey-cam explosions the whole time. The reason I like BSG over others of it's types is the dark, gritty character development. The awesome looking battles are some of the series highlights, but not the point of watching the show. If I just wanted to watch ships blow up, I'd log on to EVE or Freespace or Nexus or Sins or something and watch a demo round or two ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Ryysa Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:53:00 - [43] 4th episode sucked though, seriously. It was somehow ridiculous at times, made me lose interest. Hasn't happened before. I guess too much of the "crazy" stuff in one episode isn't a good idea. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
jongalt	Posted - 2008.04.30 01:19:00 - [44] the final cylon will be tom zarek (richard hatch). cue the scene (and its composition) where he's talking to lee adama about "the truth staring you in the face". it's him. just you wait. (he's the only one connected to the old series too - and R & D are not above playing "meta-games" with both series...) -jg.
Valeena Malis Amarr The Dark Guards	Posted - 2008.04.30 09:24:00 - [45] I have the feeling that the producers are showing a darker days to the fleet and to the Cylons in this first episodes. We have Cylon civil war, divisions inside the Galactica, religious cults apearing everywhere, cylons inside the Galactica fighting with themselves to understand what they really are and so on. I think this initial episode phase will be about the inner struggles of everyone. Something tells me also that after this we will see some great action moments.
Jonathan Calvert Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade	Posted - 2008.04.30 12:17:00 - [46] Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 30/04/2008 12:17:40 Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jonathan Calvert Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 29/04/2008 18:54:04 I agree, too much drama, not eneough scifi and pew pew. Compare the first season when they built a stealth Viper, and had to mine a planet for fuel to now when they barely run into a Cyclon fleet anymore. Whats the point of this show anymore? Star Trek has the same fate when they tried some series long story arc instead of just 1 hour of entertainment. Yes, god forbid the explosions take a backseat to character development! I like the fact that they don't get involved in an epic battle every other episode. Hell, if they did they'd run out of ammo, fighters, and crew in no time. Plus, it makes the awesome battles even cooler. I definitely tend to agree. I'd be bored sick of it if the program was nothing but shakey-cam explosions the whole time. The reason I like BSG over others of it's types is the dark, gritty character development. The awesome looking battles are some of the series highlights, but not the point of watching the show. If I just wanted to watch ships blow up, I'd log on to EVE or Freespace or Nexus or Sins or something and watch a demo round or two Except theres been almost no conflict with the Cylons this season. At the very beginning we had a small fight, and they all fled. Now its just drama. The point of this show is that humans have been almost wiped out by the Cylons. The only drama we should have is Why did the Cylons do this? And how do the humans survive and fight back. Instead we get political intrigue about some religious crap, some religious crap from toasters, and now more religious crap with Balter and his Harem. Im not asking for for all fighting, although with the last season upon us, youd think wed be at the climax. Heck, I can watch any number of drams on tv to get the exact same thing. BSG is a space scifi, and people watch it because of the scifi and the space, not unoriginal plots.
Glassback Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.30 12:28:00 - [47] Yeh, E4 was a bit of a filler. I just hope the answers to our questions are good! G.
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.04.30 14:00:00 - [48] Quote: The only drama we should have is Why did the Cylons do this? And how do the humans survive and fight back. Instead we get political intrigue about some religious crap, some religious crap from toasters, and now more religious crap with Balter and his Harem. Im not asking for for all fighting, although with the last season upon us, youd think wed be at the climax. Heck, I can watch any number of drams on tv to get the exact same thing. BSG is a space scifi, and people watch it because of the scifi and the space, not unoriginal plots. You don't represent my viewing tastes, gg. (personally I'd much prefer them doing something innovative than getting stuck in a percieved genre boundary. Since they 'reimagined' it BSG has never been a space scifi - it's always been part drama, part sci fi, part action, part opera-epic and so on. I agree it's started a little slow given where they left off, but that's fairy normal for the beginning of a season to 'reset' the intrigue, even in the last season, to give the writers something to build up to) __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Jonathan Calvert Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade	Posted - 2008.04.30 14:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 30/04/2008 14:16:00 {quote] You don't represent my viewing tastes, gg. My bad. I thought this was a discussion forum, where I could express my opinion. I didnt know I had to consult you first for your agreement. Unfortunately, I think the consensus in this thread is that your viewing tastes dont represent most everyone else.
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.04.30 14:47:00 - [50] Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 30/04/2008 14:48:31 Quote: My bad. I thought this was a discussion forum, where I could express my opinion. I didnt know I had to consult you first for your agreement. Unfortunately, I think the consensus in this thread is that your viewing tastes dont represent most everyone else. You can, of course. But your opinion implied that you spoke for everyone. (I bolded the parts of your quote that showed this.) Me having different viewing tastes than the ones you claimed everyone had, automatically proves that not everyone has them And no, my viewing tastes wouldn't represent everyone elses - given that they're mine. The difference is, I only claimed to speak for myself __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.30 14:57:00 - [51] Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 30/04/2008 14:48:31 Quote: My bad. I thought this was a discussion forum, where I could express my opinion. I didnt know I had to consult you first for your agreement. Unfortunately, I think the consensus in this thread is that your viewing tastes dont represent most everyone else. You can, of course. But your opinion implied that you spoke for everyone. (I bolded the parts of your quote that showed this.) Me having different viewing tastes than the ones you claimed everyone had, automatically proves that not everyone has them And no, my viewing tastes wouldn't represent everyone elses - given that they're mine. The difference is, I only claimed to speak for myself I almost completely agree with you! I like the depth and the darkness about it, although i do wish they would have a few more dark deep stories that involved weaponry.. such as the one with the raider that they kept losing pilots too, loved that one (scar was it?)
Dravius Luxor Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.30 15:01:00 - [52] Ah, good old Battlestar! The new bible. Here's the deal: The Lords of Kobol create Man (subservient automaton for carrying out chores). Man develops a 'soul', fights with his creators, and is expelled from Kobol. Did Man exterminate the Lords of Kobol in a furious act of genocide...? I don't know. The next we hear about man is that he has established twelve seperate and entirely unique colonies. There are myths of a thirteenth. Man creates Cylon, a subservient automaton for carrying out chores. Cylon develops a 'soul', fights with his creators, and is expelled from the colonies. The next we hear about the cylons is that they have evolved themselves into twelve seperate and entirely unique models - and then they do exterminate humanity in a furious act of genocide. And... um, now the cylons are lobotomising their raiders? Making them subservient automatons... "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again" I love it! Finally; the serpents numbering two and ten - were they Roslin's hallucination, or in fact Vipers? Is Roslin really the dying leader in Pithia? Not convinced. Is that old arrow actually the arrow of Apollo? Or is Starbuck the arrow of Apollo? Bleh! I could go on all day...
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.30 15:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Dravius Luxor Ah, good old Battlestar! The new bible. Here's the deal: The Lords of Kobol create Man (subservient automaton for carrying out chores). Man develops a 'soul', fights with his creators, and is expelled from Kobol. Did Man exterminate the Lords of Kobol in a furious act of genocide...? I don't know. The next we hear about man is that he has established twelve seperate and entirely unique colonies. There are myths of a thirteenth. Man creates Cylon, a subservient automaton for carrying out chores. Cylon develops a 'soul', fights with his creators, and is expelled from the colonies. The next we hear about the cylons is that they have evolved themselves into twelve seperate and entirely unique models - and then they do exterminate humanity in a furious act of genocide. And... um, now the cylons are lobotomising their raiders? Making them subservient automatons... "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again" I love it! Holy **! ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)**
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Dravius Luxor Ah, good old Battlestar! The new bible. Here's the deal: The Lords of Kobol create Man (subservient automaton for carrying out chores). Man develops a 'soul', fights with his creators, and is expelled from Kobol. Did Man exterminate the Lords of Kobol in a furious act of genocide...? I don't know. The next we hear about man is that he has established twelve seperate and entirely unique colonies. There are myths of a thirteenth. Man creates Cylon, a subservient automaton for carrying out chores. Cylon develops a 'soul', fights with his creators, and is expelled from the colonies. The next we hear about the cylons is that they have evolved themselves into twelve seperate and entirely unique models - and then they do exterminate humanity in a furious act of genocide. And... um, now the cylons are lobotomising their raiders? Making them subservient automatons... "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again" I love it! Finally; the serpents numbering two and ten - were they Roslin's hallucination, or in fact Vipers? Is Roslin really the dying leader in Pithia? Not convinced. Is that old arrow actually the arrow of Apollo? Or is Starbuck the arrow of Apollo? Bleh! I could go on all day... verrryyy goood
Dravius Luxor Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:24:00 - [55] Hehe I won't get started on Baltar, 6, and 'God'... In some ways I want it to end, so I know the answers, but in other ways I really don't want it to end!
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Dravius Luxor Ah, good old Battlestar! The new bible. Here's the deal: The Lords of Kobol create Man (subservient automaton for carrying out chores). Man develops a 'soul', fights with his creators, and is expelled from Kobol. Did Man exterminate the Lords of Kobol in a furious act of genocide...? I don't know. The next we hear about man is that he has established twelve seperate and entirely unique colonies. There are myths of a thirteenth. Man creates Cylon, a subservient automaton for carrying out chores. Cylon develops a 'soul', fights with his creators, and is expelled from the colonies. The next we hear about the cylons is that they have evolved themselves into twelve seperate and entirely unique models - and then they do exterminate humanity in a furious act of genocide. And... um, now the cylons are lobotomising their raiders? Making them subservient automatons... "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again" I love it! Finally; the serpents numbering two and ten - were they Roslin's hallucination, or in fact Vipers? Is Roslin really the dying leader in Pithia? Not convinced. Is that old arrow actually the arrow of Apollo? Or is Starbuck the arrow of Apollo? Bleh! I could go on all day... No, dumbing down the raiders is the attempt to make sure they dont get a soul and rebel....A wise decision from 1, but the mental behaviour of 6 is puzzling.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:51:00 - [57] I dont have any proof to this or not but I suspect that Roslin is not going to live to see the end of the season and her replacement will be Lee. I doubt the remaining powers that be would let zeric reclaim the role of presidency and he knows it. Lee is also quickly gaining popularity with his in roslins face approach among his fellow corum members. Just a thought.
Jonathan Calvert Minmatar Empire Mining and Trade	Posted - 2008.04.30 17:31:00 - [58] Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 30/04/2008 14:48:31 Quote: My bad. I thought this was a discussion forum, where I could express my opinion. I didnt know I had to consult you first for your agreement. Unfortunately, I think the consensus in this thread is that your viewing tastes dont represent most everyone else. You can, of course. But your opinion implied that you spoke for everyone. (I bolded the parts of your quote that showed this.) Me having different viewing tastes than the ones you claimed everyone had, automatically proves that not everyone has them And no, my viewing tastes wouldn't represent everyone elses - given that they're mine. The difference is, I only claimed to speak for myself I understand, but you could have just addresed the comments I made instead of attacking my posting style. Using generalities is common in debate. Havent you ever said, "everyones ****ed about boot.ini getting deleted" or "everyone hates war". When someone used the WE or EVERYONE they are expressing their opinion that those groups agree, or at least the general consensus. Again, this thread is backing me up. Most people seem to think that more action is needed, and less drama.
Kusha'an Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.04.30 18:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Dravius Luxor Hehe I won't get started on Baltar, 6, and 'God'... In some ways I want it to end, so I know the answers, but in other ways I really don't want it to end! No, no...see, what you want is for it to end, so you can buy the DVD set, and watch it from the beginning and see how everything ties in! ---- What part of "shorn't" do you not understand?
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.04.30 18:48:00 - [60] Quote: I understand, but you could have just addresed the comments I made instead of attacking my posting style. Using generalities is common in debate. Havent you ever said, "everyones **ed about boot.ini getting deleted" or "everyone hates war". When someone used the WE or EVERYONE they are expressing their opinion that those groups agree, or at least the general consensus. Again, this thread is backing me up. Most people seem to think that more action is needed, and less drama. To clarify: When you saw my response of "You don't represent my viewing tastes, gg." you interpreted this as not allowing you to "express your opinion" and you now view it as "attacking your post style." When I saw you state "the only drama we should have..." and your statement of why "people watch it" I interpreted it as not conceeding a contrary opinion could exist or be valid. (If I was going to be really sensitive about it, I'd suggest it doesn't allow me an existence let alone an opinion! ) It might be common to generalise, but speaking for others is guarenteed to come off arrogant to people who disagree with you. (as I'm sure this explanation is coming across as patronising) As for the thread backing you up - are you concerned about the right to 'express your opinion' or do you see a debate as something to be 'won?' (and yes, I know I wrote 'gg' but I was joking ) A common consensus of what people like probably isn't going to change what I like. (and really it's not surprising if the majority of people want pew pew on a forum about internet spaceships!) That doesn't mean if I hear a good arguement I won't take it on board, but with something as subjective as opinions of a TV show there's little you can really debate apart from the facts which make up those opinions. (I like this and so should everybody else isn't really an arguement) I did address the content rather than style of your arguement in the brackets, feel free to focus on them instead of posting style and I'll do the same. If it helps, I didn't mean to personally attack you anymore than I'm sure you didn't mean to talk for me, deny me a view or imply my taste is crap. Bottom line is one of semantics, as most forum disputes are. We're creating more drama BSG is, though we aren't nearly as entertaining. TL;DR** Kiss and make up? __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus

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