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Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:15:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Peoke
And yes i have to much time just for you shinra
Use your spare time to learn the difference between "to" and "too".
Friendly hint: www.dict.org is your friend.
---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus? http://loseloose.com/ |

icstunna
Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:18:00 -
[302]
Edited by: icstunna on 09/05/2008 17:19:53 Alright fact of the matter is BE, is good at what they do; and that is capitalizing.
You guys openly admit that you wont decloak if there's ANY chance of losing a single ship. This prevents all forms of good fight and really only leaves blue balls. We would attack you guys with equal number of ships but if there's something you dont like you guys wont decloak.
BE is very good at capitalizing a situation, while you guys were in geminate our fleets were off fighting an enemy that threatens our existance. This left the carebears who dont watch local, and the less then "stellar" FC's. You guys definately must of had a hoot out of that.
Really the only times i saw you guys decloak is when there's a juicy freighter to bait you guys, a gang that shouldn't engage you because it lacks the electronic warfare to counter yours, or when its a lone target.
BE i genuinely applaud you in your tactics, its a sound and safe tactic that you seem to have alot of fun with; but how about raising your heart rate every now and then and trying a good fight? Either way, for the times we did engage, good fight and good luck on your next campaign.
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Tenebrys
Havoc Violence and Chaos R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:36:00 -
[303]
yeah makes you wonder what they mean when the talk about "incredible odds" if they mean "incredible chance that we lose this fight" or "incredible ratio of ratting ravens to be ships at primetime in geminate"
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patchy999
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:37:00 -
[304]
Edited by: patchy999 on 09/05/2008 17:37:57 wrong alt stupid default settings ffs!!!!
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posteroid
im right your wrong
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:38:00 -
[305]
Edited by: posteroid on 09/05/2008 17:39:14 Actually BE will not decloak if its obvious we will lose a ship/ships but the difference between that and only decloaking for a solo gank is considerably larger than with every other corp and alliance in eve due to the skill and team work of the pilots in BE.
The reason why this statement is true is because quite simply we are better than you and so we can engage much greater numbers than you could ever manage and we do so most of the time successfully.
Now the only thing that is stopping you from training up and learning in gang, in game skills to build skilled units in your corps and alliances is you. So suck it up stop making silly excuses and learn some pvp skills cos i can guarantee that the first time you wipe out a larger better equipped gang without taking a single loss you will consider it worth the time you spent training.
PS: I am posting with a alt cos my main is banned for posting pictures.
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ghost st
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:39:00 -
[306]
Originally by: zykerx bragging about stast vs smashkill is so 2007
every month there a new corp that cals themself uber pvpers while ganking solo players, usaly not gooing much furter then bwf so they can runn back to empire fast
mist the whole be thingh so cant coment much on that but seems is yust like the others
lol, so you just admitted the only thing you can do is blob. OMG they wont attack our blobz!!!!, cheaterz!
BE are only in it for kills and lulz.
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USN CVN72
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:39:00 -
[307]
Ding Ding USN Arriving.
Let me say this one more time. Burn Eden is SO YESTERDAY NEWS!!!
Get over yourselves dudes. You are only posting about how SmashKill sucks because you are not getting the attention you so desire in Eve.
Why don't you post when you make a serious attempt to take over our space. Come back in 1 month when you actually take over BWF replace our tower's with your own and claim the station with the Burn Eden Flag.
Burn Eden is so YESTERDAY NEWS bring it or move on...
Oh by the way TRI is by far more superior then Burn Eden will ever be... RK/Smash enjoyed the pressure that TRI brought when they looked for targets in BWF. They had class and showed us many lessons on combat tactics and excitement. Burn Eden only managed to sit at gates and look for ganks. Nothing impressive at all just typical scavengers.
Ding Ding USN Departing.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:40:00 -
[308]
Originally by: King Hopy Edited by: King Hopy on 09/05/2008 17:05:59 Deadly Addiction, PL, ev0ke, SoT ... to name a few groups I respect.
Respect /= great PVPers.
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posteroid
im right your wrong
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:46:00 -
[309]
Originally by: USN CVN72 Ding Ding USN Arriving.
Let me say this one more time. Burn Eden is SO YESTERDAY NEWS!!!
Get over yourselves dudes. You are only posting about how SmashKill sucks because you are not getting the attention you so desire in Eve.
Why don't you post when you make a serious attempt to take over our space. Come back in 1 month when you actually take over BWF replace our tower's with your own and claim the station with the Burn Eden Flag.
Burn Eden is so YESTERDAY NEWS bring it or move on...
Oh by the way TRI is by far more superior then Burn Eden will ever be... RK/Smash enjoyed the pressure that TRI brought when they looked for targets in BWF. They had class and showed us many lessons on combat tactics and excitement. Burn Eden only managed to sit at gates and look for ganks. Nothing impressive at all just typical scavengers.
Ding Ding USN Departing.
Do you honestly think that we would ever consider getting involved in skilless laggy blob warfare when most of us joined BE cos we were sick of it in the first place???. We leave the blob wars to skilless muppets like you .
Fyi using the phrase "YESTERDAYS NEWS" a lot makes you look like a total tard. Just thought you should know .
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:50:00 -
[310]
Originally by: USN CVN72 Ding Ding USN Arriving.
Let me say this one more time. Burn Eden is SO YESTERDAY NEWS!!!
Get over yourselves dudes. You are only posting about how SmashKill sucks because you are not getting the attention you so desire in Eve.
Why don't you post when you make a serious attempt to take over our space. Come back in 1 month when you actually take over BWF replace our tower's with your own and claim the station with the Burn Eden Flag.
Burn Eden is so YESTERDAY NEWS bring it or move on...
Oh by the way TRI is by far more superior then Burn Eden will ever be... RK/Smash enjoyed the pressure that TRI brought when they looked for targets in BWF. They had class and showed us many lessons on combat tactics and excitement. Burn Eden only managed to sit at gates and look for ganks. Nothing impressive at all just typical scavengers.
Ding Ding USN Departing.
Cos blobbing is such measure of skill ain't it bud . Maybe you should use some of the mad skills you learned fom tri to kick BE's butt .
PS: RK suck at pvp . |
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Colje
Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:52:00 -
[311]
Die thread DIE!
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:53:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Colje Die thread DIE!
That'll help lol.
PS: RK suck at pvp . |

USN CVN72
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.09 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: USN CVN72 on 09/05/2008 18:25:58
Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: USN CVN72 Ding Ding USN Arriving.
Let me say this one more time. Burn Eden is SO YESTERDAY NEWS!!!
Get over yourselves dudes. You are only posting about how SmashKill sucks because you are not getting the attention you so desire in Eve.
Why don't you post when you make a serious attempt to take over our space. Come back in 1 month when you actually take over BWF replace our tower's with your own and claim the station with the Burn Eden Flag.
Burn Eden is so YESTERDAY NEWS bring it or move on...
Oh by the way TRI is by far more superior then Burn Eden will ever be... RK/Smash enjoyed the pressure that TRI brought when they looked for targets in BWF. They had class and showed us many lessons on combat tactics and excitement. Burn Eden only managed to sit at gates and look for ganks. Nothing impressive at all just typical scavengers.
Ding Ding USN Departing.
Cos blobbing is such measure of skill ain't it bud . Maybe you should use some of the mad skills you learned fom tri to kick BE's butt .
Ding Ding USN Arriving.
Wait - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Burn Eden is now complaining about getting blobbed? oh wow you are more nuubs then i thought. For your info every alliance holding space will blob you in 0.0 - you tell us that we are nuubs for blobbing and defending our space then you will say the same to RA, GOONS, BOB, TRI, RAZOR, AAA, FIX, SOLAR FLEET, IC, PURE and every other 0.0 alliance holding space including the ones you are set BLUE and call your close friends. Do you dare to smack talk and complain about your own friends blobbing??? Look inward before you complain and you will see deep in your own ranks and history that you fall victim to using blob tactics as well. If you have the inability to look deep into your own history ill go back 5yrs and do it for you and prove you did the same crap as everyone else is doing.
Cheers nuubs.
Ding Ding USN Departing.
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 18:32:00 -
[314]
Edited by: lecrotta on 09/05/2008 18:34:22
Originally by: lecrotta
Cos blobbing is such measure of skill ain't it bud . Maybe you should use some of the mad skills you learned fom tri to kick BE's butt .
Originally by: USN CVN72
Ding Ding USN Arriving.
Wait - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Burn Eden is now complaining about getting blobbed? oh wow you are more nuubs then i thought. For your info every alliance holding space will blob you in 0.0 - you tell us that we are nuubs for blobbing and defending our space then you will say the same to RA, GOONS, BOB, TRI, RAZOR, AAA, FIX, SOLAR FLEET, IC, PURE and every other 0.0 alliance holding space including the ones you are set BLUE and call your close friends. Do you dare to smack talk and complain about your own friends blobbing??? Look inward before you complain and you will see deep in your own ranks and history that you fall victim to using blob tactics as well. If you have the inability to look deep into your own history ill go back 5yrs and do it for you and prove you did the same crap as everyone else is doing.
Cheers nuubs.
Ding Ding USN Departing.
You need to learn how to read you tard as i clearly state that 1. im no longer with BE, and 2. Where am i be complaining about getting blobbed???? learn how to read and get over your bitterness at getting owned you will feel better for it.
PS: RK suck at pvp . |

Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.09 18:38:00 -
[315]
Edited by: *****zilla on 09/05/2008 18:42:50
Originally by: USN CVN72 Burn Eden is now complaining about getting blobbed?
(technically either an alt or a rabid fan)
I for one feel outblobbed when I ignore intel channels and jump a t1 hauler in with no tank nor scouts. I might be carrying a few bil worth of mins but I'm just looking for a fair fight!
Everyone blobs. The only disagreement is about the numbers. Bring lots of ships and you blob. Bring the right ships (ie logistics + webbers) and someone will feel out blobbed.
Originally by: USN CVN72 ... and prove you did the same crap as everyone else is doing.
But they're special and unique snowflakes!
Originally by: lecrotta ... <weak smack>...
Haven't you discovered our secret yet? The FVCKAS war machine is powered by 100% pure COAD angst! We need moar moar moar!!!!
If COAD doesn't have a NAST thread on the first page, we'll disappear!
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: *****zilla
I for one feel outblobbed when I ignore intel channels and jump a t1 hauler in with no tank nor scouts. I might be carrying a few bil worth of mins but I'm just looking for a fair fight!.
Personally if i ignore intel channels and jump into a 500 or even a 5 man gate camp with a unarmed or armed ship id consider it my own stupid fault as the fleet/blob was there already so if i was daft enough to jump into it its my fault.
Now on the other hand if i am watching intel channels and see that theres a 5 man camp on a gate and i sit around ganging ppl up for 2 hours (when we had enough after the first 5 minutes if we had good pvp skills ) until i get 70 or 80 ppl (enough to feel safe ) and then make stupid claims when the 5 will not engage id consider that blobbing.
PS: RK suck at pvp . |

BLOOD THIRSTY
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.09 18:49:00 -
[317]
I am going to "TRY" to give a balanced reply to this thread, and some observations I have seen.
1) Groups supporting BE- BoB, PL, MC, Insurgency, Tri, -A-
2) Groups supporting Smash/Kill - Smash, alts, Roadkill, alts, Atlas (I dont know who these guys are), and more alts.
3) The plain and simple truth. What Burn Eden does is take 5 guys and try to engage 20-30 or more. Be honest with yourself for a minute folks, when was the last time you flew in a group less than 20? I cant remember the last time I saw HED-GP without 30 reds, or 40 blues in local camping the empire gate. So they try and most of the time kill a few heavily outnumbered.
Now yes there are times when a lone target comes and it dies to a "gank". They are not going to let someone autopilot through.
NOW comes the good part. Having watched them multiple times, I can tell you that looking at their killboard is missleading. (Stop jumping up and down RK, im not done yet) You will see kills where 4 of them are on a single mail... gee they focus fire go figure. However then the next kill is a minute later. This is because theyu warp in on a group at range. Kill some, warp out. Regroup and do it again. It is very difficult to engage so heavily outnumbered as they do. Sometimes they warp in and cant kill anything before 20 nanos are on em, or an arazu decloaks next to them , good memories.
The point I am trying to make is that Burn Eden can take a 5 man gang and engage an empire. I havent seen anything like it in all my time in EvE. People love them, and love to hate them. And as it seems the "good pvp alliances" that people seem to respect, respect Burn Eden for their abilities. This cannot be denied. They are good, choice of tactics is personal. No one tactic is better than anyone elses, the only difference is the pilots, and they have some of the best.
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Tenebrys
Havoc Violence and Chaos R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.09 19:00:00 -
[318]
your right i think vanilla guerrilla warfare tactics are what this 'zero zero' is all about doing
it doesnt matter whether an alliance is able to say hold space
or defend space
or leave lasting impressions on the galaxy
if you shoot something and run away and try to convince yourself that what you shot wont get rebuilt and that life wont go on anymore and that you just 'burned eden'
you win at eve
right
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 19:06:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Tenebrys your right i think vanilla guerrilla warfare tactics are what this 'zero zero' is all about doing
it doesnt matter whether an alliance is able to say hold space
or defend space
or leave lasting impressions on the galaxy
if you shoot something and run away and try to convince yourself that what you shot wont get rebuilt and that life wont go on anymore and that you just 'burned eden'
you win at eve
right
Bitter much.
Its about having pride in how skillfully you can fly your ship and how well you work as a team with BE unless things have changed since i left for a bit of nano fun.
While holding space is all about the numbers so props for your uber recruiting skills its what eve is all about    .
PS: RK suck at pvp . |

Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.09 19:14:00 -
[320]
Originally by: BLOOD THIRSTY
Now yes there are times when a lone target comes and it dies to a "gank". They are not going to let someone autopilot through.
These were the vast majority of their kills.
Originally by: BLOOD THIRSTY
NOW comes the good part. Having watched them multiple times,
Agree that they've gotten their tactics down pat. However much of the kills I watched were unorganized folks being ganked or flying solo. Often a few would jump in. It might seem to be a gang. Most often it would be ppl flying individually without a gang or voice coms and getting the expected results.
Originally by: BLOOD THIRSTY
The point I am trying to make is that Burn Eden can take a 5 man gang and engage an empire.
Maybe bore an empire. The primary difference between what they do and what thousands of others do is they play often, have their tactics down pat, and make repeated COAD posts.
During the time that BE were in Geminate there were dozens of other gangs flying nanos/cloakers/etc. They received about the same amount of attention as BE. They killed many of the same people. An adhoc group would often be formed to go after the hostiles. The hostiles had the same affect: not much.
The primary difference was that BE is more patient for kills and makes CAOD posts when finished. They seem to leave a mistaken impression of their effect.
Originally by: BLOOD THIRSTY They are good, choice of tactics is personal. No one tactic is better than anyone elses, the only difference is the pilots, and they have some of the best.
No doubt they are good. However they're overrated. They make smacktastic posts about stats that are obvious to everyone. If they wanted to talk about a campaign and give themselves a pat on the back, fine.
These posts are mostly because they seem to feel that if they don't talk themselves up they'll be forgotten and won't receive contracts. This isn't a COAD issue. These types of posts belong in the "Sell Orders" forums.
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Tenebrys
Havoc Violence and Chaos R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.09 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tenebrys on 09/05/2008 19:16:43 nice sig btw very clever
fyi repeating burn eden never caught me
or anyone in my corp if kb is accurate
maybe im unfamiliar with combat things being supply side etc
but making vagabonds and t2 cruise missiles launchers
requires stuff like alliances that dont, you know, warp away then warp to 150
stuff like that
far as im concerned
we hold space
and use it to make stuff
if no one held space mined dysprosium etc
no t2 nanofiber
so no
running around and feeling like your awesome because of how fast you double click on empty space or hit 'warp to 150km' isnt what 'zero zero' is all about
have to hold space too fight for it mine moons take away poses etc
icky but someone has to do it
far as im concerned no dishonor in doing a necessary job
subject of disagreement
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Ghengis Khan
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.09 19:56:00 -
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nice stats, classic.
hey kick, hey mark.
nice u still smack like in good old times :)
P.
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Porgy
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.09 20:00:00 -
[323]
mods must have taken a vacation on this flame bait. Seriously, 11 pages of a lot of people making themselves look stupid. _______________________
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Porgy mods must have taken a vacation on this flame bait. Seriously, 11 pages of a lot of people making themselves look stupid.
Now your here id say the thread has reached tard critical mass and it can be locked then.
PS: RK suck at pvp . |

Peoke
Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.09 20:20:00 -
[325]
the days of burn eden playing for the fight or fighting out numberedd are over. go check shinras own mouth of contracts a long time ago, they were alot more kills with alot more losses. now all they do is sit cloaked and gank. a low sec gate will get me the same kills or sitting in d-i. Its not pvp its not anything.
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 20:34:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Peoke the days of burn eden playing for the fight or fighting out numberedd are over. go check shinras own mouth of contracts a long time ago, they were alot more kills with alot more losses. now all they do is sit cloaked and gank. a low sec gate will get me the same kills or sitting in d-i. Its not pvp its not anything.
I think you should go ganking a bit tbh bud as 350 ish kills since 2006 is about what our top killer gets every month (if we have a slow month) from our roaming gangs and i know BE kill around as much as we do.
PS: RK suck at pvp . |

FinrodFelagund
Rome
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Posted - 2008.05.09 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: BLOOD THIRSTY I am going to "TRY" to give a balanced reply to this thread, and some observations I have seen.
I've never seen somone attempt at something and fail so hard in my life.
And for the record I doubt BE engages anyone that attacks them in 20 man blob format.
The fact of the matter is that cloaks allow you to always be the aggressor. It is probably the only equalizer in the game currently for defense against blobage.
And in eve, the aggresser ALWAYS wins. (if they have scouts) and BE does.
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Bashiri
Point-Zero SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.09 21:15:00 -
[328]
OK this thread still alive?
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.09 21:26:00 -
[329]
Yes. BE systematically remove most any risk.
Einherjar Rising was the group we were trying to think of. Remote rep bs gangs in bwf. The threads then were nearly identical to the one now.
Dealing with cloakers is boring and not worth the effort. Best way to deal with cloakers that are sometimes afk is to ignore them and bypass the system.
Originally by: FinrodFelagund
I've never seen somone attempt at something and fail so hard in my life.
Eh, wasn't that bad. Just someone in the grips of propaganda fever.
Originally by: Bashiri OK this thread still alive?
No.
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.09 21:41:00 -
[330]
Originally by: FinrodFelagund
Originally by: BLOOD THIRSTY I am going to "TRY" to give a balanced reply to this thread, and some observations I have seen.
And for the record I doubt BE engages anyone that attacks them in 20 man blob format.
http://smack.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=17507 = 8 BE (4BS) vs 18....
http://smack.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=17393 = 4 BE (1BS) vs 11.....
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=712677 = 8 BE (4BS) vs 40 inc capital support and a titan.....
Now it would have taken a few warp out and warpins (ie; The not sitting still and getting popped like a moron tactic non morons use ) but these clearly show a more than willingness to fight while outnumbered. |
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