Originally by: Darineah Charach

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Actually the reason i mention PL is because they started out small and grew. NAPwagon or not they are a force to be reckoned with.

I could just have easily said OUTBREAK, or several others. All of whom are able to have an impact on 0.0 entities without resorting to the blob. But the argument is moot, you don't want that playstyle so ok.

We're going round in circles here, i'm not trying to smack i'm just arguing cos i have nothing better to do at work (nightshift is so slack) and i think my point is valid.

If you'd like to continue the discussion i'm all for it, just point out to me how your efforts affect us in real terms and we'll go from there. I'm willing to concede that from your point of view the damage inflicted is severe, all i'm saying is you're using the wrong yardstick and if you really want to hurt a 0.0 alliance, you'll have to get out of the pipes.

Then again, maybe i should keep my mouth shut. BE with larger gangs roaming through valuable systems....probably shouldn't give you guys any ideas

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Originally by: Darineah Charach

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Actually the reason i mention PL is because they started out small and grew. NAPwagon or not they are a force to be reckoned with.

I could just have easily said OUTBREAK, or several others. All of whom are able to have an impact on 0.0 entities without resorting to the blob. But the argument is moot, you don't want that playstyle so ok.



If you'd like to continue the discussion i'm all for it, just point out to me how your efforts affect us in real terms and we'll go from there. I'm willing to concede that from your point of view the damage inflicted is severe, all i'm saying is you're using the wrong yardstick and if you really want to hurt a 0.0 alliance, you'll have to get out of the pipes.

Then again, maybe i should keep my mouth shut. BE with larger gangs roaming through valuable systems....probably shouldn't give you guys any ideas

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Originally by: posteroid

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Edited by: posteroid on 10/05/2008 16:34:02

Originally by: Darineah Charach

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Actually the reason i mention PL is because they started out small and grew. NAPwagon or not they are a force to be reckoned with.

I could just have easily said OUTBREAK, or several others. All of whom are able to have an impact on 0.0 entities without resorting to the blob. But the argument is moot, you don't want that playstyle so ok.



If you'd like to continue the discussion i'm all for it, just point out to me how your efforts affect us in real terms and we'll go from there. I'm willing to concede that from your point of view the damage inflicted is severe, all i'm saying is you're using the wrong yardstick and if you really want to hurt a 0.0 alliance, you'll have to get out of the pipes.

Then again, maybe i should keep my mouth shut. BE with larger gangs roaming through valuable systems....probably shouldn't give you guys any ideas

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PL are now a seen force to be reckoned with as far as 0.0 alliances are concerned because they recruited numbers and napped the biggest blobbers in eve (goons, razor....)

Outbreak flew a slightly similar way to BE (using ranged ships), apart from not using cloaks or ravens and the fact that they also napped up with a larger entity (the MC Tortuga thing) eventually as well although Ive heard they now have split away from that nap a bit but i am not 100% about that intel. So again it comes down to sheer numbers...

The yard stick we use is a our own and we measure ourselves and others by it but then who does not do the same thing?.

You measure a threat by how large a blob a alliance or nap can bring to take your space while we have utterly no interest in holding or taking space what so ever and personally if i was given some space id just sell it as maintaining it or defending it in blobby fights is my idea of a nightmare and not something i am even slightly interested in.

But like i said earlier as a former member and FC of a 0.0 space holding nap fest, if 5 or so pilots came into my home and killed over 500 ships and 200+ pods with very few losses financially id not give a toss, but as a point of personal pride and respect for my alliance and self respect for myself and my corp/alliance mates id be more than a little miffed and anybody who says they would not feel that way must either be lying or have no respect for themselves or their corp/alliance.

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Originally by: Darineah Charach

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I won't deny i got irritated every time some idiot said in alliance they were getting ganked by BE in BWF. My opinion was if you can type once it's over, you can read it before it starts.

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Originally by: Darineah Charach

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As Angor said, part of the reason you keep it small is to maximise the returns to individual pilots. All good, i'd love to be on the receiving end of some of those isks myself,

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Originally by: Darineah Charach

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OK, you want to judge us by your standards and as you said everyone will. Then why flame and smack if we judge your effectiveness by ours? That goes both ways, and i don't condone (not that i have any control over it being just a pleb pilot) the smack from my side in here as well. The point still stands that if you want to maintain a presence in EvE you have to adapt with the game.

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Originally by: *****zilla

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Originally by: Darineah Charach

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I won't deny i got irritated every time some idiot said in alliance they were getting ganked by BE in BWF. My opinion was if you can type once it's over, you can read it before it starts.

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Yep. There are a multitude of tools to avoid being ganked. If pilots fly solo and shun the tools then they shall receive no benefit or help from the alliance.

Originally by: Darineah Charach

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As Angor said, part of the reason you keep it small is to maximise the returns to individual pilots. All good, i'd love to be on the receiving end of some of those isks myself,

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You wouldn't want to spend the time camping those gates that BE does. If you ratted as much as they spend on a gate you could turn a bil or two a week.

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Originally by: posteroid

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Originally by: Darineah Charach

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OK, you want to judge us by your standards and as you said everyone will. Then why flame and smack if we judge your effectiveness by ours? That goes both ways, and i don't condone (not that i have any control over it being just a pleb pilot) the smack from my side in here as well. The point still stands that if you want to maintain a presence in EvE you have to adapt with the game.

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I see what you mean but the point we are trying to make is that we consider a great k/d ratio from gang pvp plus the loot that comes from it our goals but you seem to think we are in it to destroy your alliance or summat.

Imagine a target shooter he fires his gun and the guy he is competing with say "lol noob u missed my target" and the guy who shot says "nup nub i was shooting at the other target and i hit a bullseye tyvm stfu tard".

Anybody with half a braincell knows that 5-10 pilots (unless you decide to move your entire naps BPO collection through a gate we are camping) cannot take space or do any real significant damage to napped up alliances like RK/atlas and co but then we were not trying to we were aiming elsewhere and we nailed the bullseye (as usual).

So when we see claims of "you cannot really hurt us as a alliance" and "come and take our space if you think you hard enough" (my personal favorite) comments it *****s us up as we could not give a toss about your space just your loot and we got buckets full of it over our little 2 week stint.

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Originally by: posteroid

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...we were aiming elsewhere and we nailed the bullseye (as usual)

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Originally by: Sevdah

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Originally by: posteroid

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...we were aiming elsewhere and we nailed the bullseye (as usual)

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ROFL, yeah you were aiming for few easy ganks in BWF. And by now we all know that ganking noobs is BEs actual pvp skill level.

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Originally by: Angor

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I dont think anybody in BE would be interested in "crushing" an alliance even if we could... its why we only stay in an area for like 2 weeks because any longer than that and your wallets are starting to hurt, your not coming and fighting anymore and your trying to completly avoid us and/or redesign your jump bridge network etc. (like alliances have done in the past) to get around us. Its best to just leave and let everything to get back to normal for later respawns..

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Originally by: Tortenstecher

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Edited by: Tortenstecher on 11/05/2008 01:55:28

Originally by: Angor

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I dont think anybody in BE would be interested in "crushing" an alliance even if we could... its why we only stay in an area for like 2 weeks because any longer than that and your wallets are starting to hurt, your not coming and fighting anymore and your trying to completly avoid us and/or redesign your jump bridge network etc. (like alliances have done in the past) to get around us. Its best to just leave and let everything to get back to normal for later respawns..

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Dude, you couldn't do shiat to a bigger alliance, let alone hurt someones wallet from such an alliance or even "crush" anything bigger than a small noobish gang. Keep cloaked and dream on! However you could tell us what you smoke, just so we know what drugs make you get out of touch with reality that much.

P.S. I personally know couple of players that used to be in BE and left or fly with you. And ALL of them confirmed that over the last 2 years BE bacame bunch of lamers.

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Originally by: Tortenstecher

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Dude, you couldn't do shiat to a bigger alliance, let alone hurt someones wallet from such an alliance or even "crush" anything bigger than a small noobish gang.

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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu

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So burn eden can cloak camp a few alliances who are busy fighting wars in other places.

Am impressed. I'd join you if I had the patience to sit cloaked off a gate for 2 weeks.

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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu

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So burn eden can cloak camp a few alliances who are busy fighting wars in other places.

Am impressed. I'd join you if I had the patience to sit cloaked off a gate for 2 weeks.

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Originally by: Cloned S0ul

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Shin Ra,nominated to Nobel Price,for best trolling in forum history.

Why you paste thys stats? next time give us som link,not wall of txt,a lot people dont care.

Ps.Next time if u prepare to trolling,read thys http://www.yogajournal.com/ stop quaff cofe,and get a life.

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Originally by: Juneli

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Worst of all, only a couple of your pilots had a demonstrated sense of humor.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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763 kills / 23 losses

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Originally by: Kraven Dragonis

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You had a good run and a lot of nice easy kill, really wished we could of PvP with you guys but every time we tried you ran or clocked up pity you donÆt like fair fights maybe next time you mite grow some nads but I doubt it.

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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763 kills / 23 losses

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You are almost as good PVPer as Ginger Magician (or whatever this gate camper was called). Congratulations.

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