Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto

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Originally by: Theramin Dogon

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Herschel Yamamoto on the other hand even though I disagree with him over the issue of muting inanna, I do care what he thinks because he's taken time to read and present issues here, take an interest in the CSM process and generally be a responsible respondent to issues threads.

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You're hardly acting as if you care what anyone else thinks, as you've repeatedly said that you'll act the same way in the future.

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I can't find the Jade bit you quoted. Where was that said?

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Originally by: Zeoliter

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Goons like to take the game seriously. C/D

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Originally by: hammyhamm

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Its a clause that should have been in the initial CSM document.

This isn't trying to be "Goons trying to take over CSM", it's making sure that if for some instance the councilmembers were to lose faith in the elected chairman, they could force a revote for a new one.

It's how commitees work.

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Originally by: hammyhamm

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Its a clause that should have been in the initial CSM document.

This isn't trying to be "Goons trying to take over CSM", it's making sure that if for some instance the councilmembers were to lose faith in the elected chairman, they could force a revote for a new one.

It's how commitees work.

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It's also how committees don't work, they waste tons of time and effort bickering and voting over things that have nothing to do with why they were created in the first place.

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Originally by: lecrotta

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Originally by: hammyhamm

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Its a clause that should have been in the initial CSM document.

This isn't trying to be "Goons trying to take over CSM", it's making sure that if for some instance the councilmembers were to lose faith in the elected chairman, they could force a revote for a new one.

It's how commitees work.

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It's also how committees don't work, they waste tons of time and effort bickering and voting over things that have nothing to do with why they were created in the first place.

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Remember that all those who's guys did not get voted in now have a target for all that disappointment and bitterness and i defy you to claim that most eve players (especially those who want nerfs or changes to the game) are not that petty.

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Originally by: RiotGrrrl

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Supported, as with the other thread.

The chairman needs to be a unilaterally chosen member by the delegates from the delegates.

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Originally by: Raphael Scoria

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Edited by: Raphael Scoria on 11/06/2008 11:32:56
Those of you who are going along with Jade out of a knee-jerk anti-Goon stance should consider how you'll feel if his power grab succeeds. What if we then don't decide to split our vote next time, and instead corner the God-Emperor chair for ourselves?

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Originally by: Sworn Absent

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Originally by: Raphael Scoria

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Edited by: Raphael Scoria on 11/06/2008 11:32:56
Those of you who are going along with Jade out of a knee-jerk anti-Goon stance should consider how you'll feel if his power grab succeeds. What if we then don't decide to split our vote next time, and instead corner the God-Emperor chair for ourselves?

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What.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: Sworn Absent

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Originally by: Raphael Scoria

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Edited by: Raphael Scoria on 11/06/2008 11:32:56
Those of you who are going along with Jade out of a knee-jerk anti-Goon stance should consider how you'll feel if his power grab succeeds. What if we then don't decide to split our vote next time, and instead corner the God-Emperor chair for ourselves?

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What.

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Had GS not decided to split its vote we would have likely taken the chair. Such the question is posed.

Since its unlikely that GS will go away in the next 5-6 months. And since there is also likely to be another CSM election: "How do you feel about giving the chairs these wide and ridiculous powers when the next person to have them at their disposal will likely be from Goonswarm?"

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Had GS not decided to split its vote we would have likely taken the chair. Such the question is posed.

Since its unlikely that GS will go away in the next 5-6 months. And since there is also likely to be another CSM election: "How do you feel about giving the chairs these wide and ridiculous powers when the next person to have them at their disposal will likely be from Goonswarm?"

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Originally by: Tolis Irithel

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I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. Note however that;

1) The OP was suggesting this in the event of "attempts to violate the CSM processes", or "obvious mental illnesses." Extended to a more general concept of "procedural violation" or "physical/mental inability to carry out the job", this makes for a perfectly sensible way of ensuring CSM candidates remain effective. This is not, and should not be, however, a mechanism by which to remove CSM members due to differing views.

2) I disagree that this should be restricted solely to the chairman; in fact, I think ANY CSM representative found violating the processes, or losing their capability, should be subject to a confidence vote. Such votes not to occur more than once within a term, however, in order to prevent nuisance confidence spam.

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Originally by: Heartstone

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Had GS not decided to split its vote we would have likely taken the chair. Such the question is posed.

Since its unlikely that GS will go away in the next 5-6 months. And since there is also likely to be another CSM election: "How do you feel about giving the chairs these wide and ridiculous powers when the next person to have them at their disposal will likely be from Goonswarm?"

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I personally am all in favour of having a member of goonswarm as the next CSM Chairperson with these powers. As long as the CSM logs remain public. Gouimdong as CSM chair has a nice ring to it. You are going to be standing again I trust?

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Originally by: Sigmorhair

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Wow your corp has one member - thanks for letting us know how you really feel alt.

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Originally by: lecrotta

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Originally by: Sigmorhair

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Wow your corp has one member - thanks for letting us know how you really feel alt.

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WOW your corp has thousands but you guys did not get anybody on the council i guess that shows how much regard and how ppl realy fel about you tards.

PS: Scuttle back under your rock on caod goon you do not belong here.

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