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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Sigmorhair
Wow your corp has one member - thanks for letting us know how you really feel alt.
WOW your corp has thousands but you guys did not get anybody on the council chair i guess that shows how much regard and how ppl realy feel about you tards.
PS: Scuttle back under your rock on caod goon you do not belong here.
We have two.
edit: removed those smilies, one was quite sufficient.
Fixed my grammar error and re added the smiles.
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 11/06/2008 12:15:57
Originally by: Goumindong
Had GS not decided to split its vote we would have likely taken the chair. Such the question is posed.
Since its unlikely that GS will go away in the next 5-6 months. And since there is also likely to be another CSM election: "How do you feel about giving the chairs these wide and ridiculous powers when the next person to have them at their disposal will likely be from Goonswarm?"
I personally am all in favour of having a member of goonswarm as the next CSM Chairperson with these powers. As long as the CSM logs remain public. Gouimdong as CSM chair has a nice ring to it. You are going to be standing again I trust?
I will be, if only to continue the running joke when i lose.
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Flodarian
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Posted - 2008.06.11 17:47:00 -
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Really Arghy would be great. We have rules for his postings on our forums.
3. Arghy Stop posting threads in the war room you crazy neckbearded bigot. If you have some fantastic idea you really think deserves a thread, ask one of your literate squad members to translate for you. Otherwise, take it to SpaceGBS where you are revered as some sort of idiot messiah. This goes for Arghy-esque, Arghy-like, and Arghy-onic posts, no matter who posts them.
Just imagine four hours of Arghy and people having to read through it would be unreadable. |
Walumachoncha SA
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 17:57:00 -
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checks and balances. |
Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.11 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Spondogolo on 11/06/2008 20:05:52
Originally by: Satis Tyr
Have the CSM document changed to state that if a majority of the CSM reps feel the Chairman should be removed, they can take the issue to CCP who will look into the matter and make a decision. (oh and use a clear deffinition of majority)
There is a clear definition of majority. CCP in fact formally specified the voting formula. "Simple majority".
Simple majority is defined as a voting system where the ayes outnumber the naes, and an absentee or abstain vote is counted as neither.
There is no grey area in this system. Its the most widely used system in meetings in the world, because its so rigidly defined. IF you count an absentee or abstention as a nae, its called "Absolute majority".
There are precisely 2 (well theres also modified majority , so 3 really) systems for majoritarian decision making. CCP has stated the one to use.
So yeah. You guys hands are tied on that one. Its about the only thing CCP has mandated. |
Kallynda Nai
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:11:00 -
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Supporting this, though I wish it weren't necessary. :( |
Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:33:00 -
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Somehow I missed this thread earlier |
Nynaeve Ares
Animus Incarnate
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:33:00 -
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Toffles
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Toffles on 11/06/2008 21:38:34
Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 11/06/2008 12:15:57
Originally by: Goumindong
Had GS not decided to split its vote we would have likely taken the chair. Such the question is posed.
Since its unlikely that GS will go away in the next 5-6 months. And since there is also likely to be another CSM election: "How do you feel about giving the chairs these wide and ridiculous powers when the next person to have them at their disposal will likely be from Goonswarm?"
I personally am all in favour of having a member of goonswarm as the next CSM Chairperson with these powers. As long as the CSM logs remain public. Gouimdong as CSM chair has a nice ring to it. You are going to be standing again I trust?
Our candidate would just mute every other delegate and pass everything Goonswarm wanted 1 vote to nothing. If the others tried to remove him from power there would be literally nothing they could do because the chair can do these kinds of things without repercussion. Jade hasn't gone that far (yet) but it just goes to show how Jade's insane interpretation of the rules removes any traces of democracy from the CSM. |
Jereth Ravyn
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.06.11 22:53:00 -
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Thumbs down.. mostly
To all the people who feel this falls under "checks & balances", is it really necessary? The term of office is so short anyway, the balance is that if you don't like what the chairman (or any CSM representative for that matter) does, don't vote for them next time.
The only way I would support this is if the process were as follows:
Voting "No Confidence" in a CSM Member
-A vote of no confidence may be initiated by any CSM Member against any other CSM Member. -A vote of no confidence may not be initiated by an Alternate CSM Member. -A vote of no confidence may only be initiated against a particular CSM Member once during that individual's term in office. -Any CSM Member may only initiate a vote of no confidence once during their term in office. -A successful vote of no confidence requires a unanimous decision by the remaining council members.
Upon a successful vote of no confidence: -The CSM Member in question will be expelled from the council immediately upon conclusion of a successful vote of no confidence against him or her. -If the expelled CSM Member holds a billet (Chairman, Vice Chairman, Secretary, Vice Secretary), then the billet will be filled by one of the remaining council members, to be determined by a council vote and requiring a simple majority to win. -The Alternate CSM Member who received the most votes during the election for that term will be elevated to CSM Member status.
Upon a failed vote of no confidence: -The matter is considered final and no more time should be wasted on the issue. |
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.06.11 23:45:00 -
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Bra'nn Draythe
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.06.12 02:37:00 -
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The role of the CSM chair was intended to be a person who simply controlled the duration of the discussion and made a call to vote. They were not supposed to be the one that set the agenda and decided how the various issues would be approached and solved. It was not an administrative position as much as it was an organizational position.
Jade is trying to make it an administrative position where he has power over the others. More equal than his equals, so to speak. |
Seabhac
BudifulBC
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Posted - 2008.06.12 04:29:00 -
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I wish my lawn was emo, so it would cut itself. |
cimmaron
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.30 18:17:00 -
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So as we can see I have out did My reputation far by creating such havok with this forum heheh.....
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mishkof
Caldari Finis Lumen Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: mishkof on 30/07/2008 20:00:18
Originally by: Farrqua
I see you can not separate your self from the game and it is very apparent your vitriol is of a personal nature. You keep trolling your in game prejudices to clutter this forum.
With your personal emotional vendetta, you are not helping or contributing in any constructive way. If you want to continue this, log in and keep it in game or post this kind of crap in CAOD. It fits best there.
If you feel the Goons are the evil incarnate then declare war on them and beat them in game.
In this setting we are to move forward in the improving of the game and not debating politics. The panel is made of a diverse and dynamic individuals that will maintain the checks and balances. And CCP will yank anyone off the board if they do not comply with set rules.
This is an interesting post. IMO ingame circumstances have a lot to do with the stances on the very issues we are talking about. This is why this CSM project is fluff and the reason it will inevitably fail IMO.
Since politics is an intrical part of eve you cannot seperate the two. The higher levels of this game are all about posturing, and using any methods created by CCP including the forums to win (and in some cases metagaming such as buy time cards and other less then desirable means).
Your proposal of "dropping politics" is essentialy saying "ignore that portion of the game". Since the politics along with the controlling of territory that is entwined with that is the reason many people play the game what you are asking is impossible.
Good suggestion goonies as some people are not cut out for the job, however since ingame you are my enemy(including these forums and all that it pertains), I will not allow you to use the forums, the CSM or any other body, or element of this game to gain any advantage, thus in this instance I will disagree with you. The sole reason has already been stated.
You have two standing members in the CSM.
I reserve the right to change my opinion at any time, to include a time when there are no goonies on the afformentioned board, or when/if I suddenly become allied with you, or your goals coincide with mine.
If that reason is not cute and fluffy enough for anyone then welcome to eve, and either appreciate it or dont...I dont really care.
See my sig for my opinion on other hot topics such as this.
I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me |
cimmaron
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.30 21:36:00 -
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I dont mean to Distribute nonsense or take part in any dibocal's but I do state and here me out i Just aquired this character from the forums and was checking out all the post the previous owner had placed so ... pleese disregard any old postings of this character for i did not and repeat was not me who partaked in this discussion ....
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.07.30 21:53:00 -
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agree --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 00:50:00 -
[318]
d(^_^)b
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.31 00:53:00 -
[319]
Non constructive and not an ISSUE for the CSM. Its assembly hall spam. Lock please.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Fahtim Meidires
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 00:54:00 -
[320]
bump
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CCP Taera
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Posted - 2008.07.31 01:44:00 -
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This issue has been brought to the CSM's attention and any required action will be taken. Thank you for the input!
Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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