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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.09.12 09:55:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:After listening to all the raging on these forums I am of the opinion that what Hilmar should have said in his email was
"We will watch what the silent majority does rather than listen to the vocal minority."
That they did... Subs took a hit, overall in-game activity took a hit, etc. It's a shame CCP has not yet learned to listen to what we say to an extent that would be beneficial.
Don't underestimate the indirect influence of that vocal minority.
It's pretty sad that this scheme repeats itself: - We tell them "don't do this, or this bad thing will happen" - They do it anyway - Aforementionned bad thing happens - They come back and solve the situation the way we told them they should have. - We can do nothing but once more throw our hands in the sky, look smug and say "told you"...
That scheme stopped repeating itself for "micro" things (feature details) somewhere during CSM 3, now let's hope they evolve the same way for macro things.
Doesn't mean they have to agree to everything, just take our informed opinion into consideration. Sometimes unpopular decisions are necessary (speed nerf was unpopular but necessary, same with falcon/ECM), but for those they usually have the approval of the level-headed CSM members... Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
165
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Posted - 2011.09.12 09:58:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Sometimes unpopular decisions are necessary (speed nerf was unpopular but necessary, same with falcon/ECM), but for those they usually have the approval of the level-headed CSM members...
Speaking of which, the supercap nerf is going to deliver some quality drama.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. |
Gregor Palter
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Posted - 2011.09.12 10:06:00 -
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People seem to have this mistaken idea that just because a small percentage of a whole player base posts on forums that this somehow means that it's only those who have issues, the whole vocal minority <> silent majority bit. It's ofcourse logical to state that not being happy will influence one's eagerness to post about it but again; that does not mean the ones you don't hear might not have issues, problems or annoyances, they just don't give two ***** about typing words on some forum. |
Vicar2008
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
22
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Posted - 2011.09.12 10:08:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Barricade Dark wrote:I have to agree with Saerathus on this one, well put by the way. This whole thing just stinks of semantics and cover up. I mean I'm glad to see they are actually having meetings and making some kind of headway with CCP. I always figuired whatever the result would be it definitly would be rolled out slowly over the course of months, while in the meantime CCP would continue with whatever plan they have for the immediate future. I don't see them suggesting that they are suddenly going to drop what they are doing as a company and turn around in response to the CSM and their meeting and start working on the game in the direction the CSM and community would like to see. But rather it would be a statement which basically amounts to "we are going to start looking at this".. which is exactly all that has happened. A commitment to "look at it".
Hardly comferting and certainly not sufficient but at least its an acknolwedgment that their is a problem.
I think the response from CCP should be considerably stronger. It should be a commitment to "immediatly restructure the course of Eve Online to meet the demands of the community".. Period. Anything short of that is a weak response and will (and IS) seen as a weak response.
It will be interesting to see how quickly and how deep they will go into the proposed issues, at this point it doesn't really matter what they attack first as far as FIS is concerned, you could throw darts at a board with the hundreds of problems and just work from their. It would be great if they just started on something.. anything.. at this point. I hope CCP realizes that their next patch better include some actual results from these meetings... actual implemented action. I'm informing you of a process in place, not of CCP saying "we'll look at it somewhere down the line". One process that should generate progress or at least an answer because they're looking at it now... Before you decry the results of that process to be meaningless, why don't you wait for the result to come out? Whether that process produces the necessary outcome or not, I'll be posting here again to tell you what came of it anyway. The good thing is that there's *something* going on. As soon as there's developments, there will be an update. In the meantime I'm reading this thread and others to make sure I get your collective opinion to relay it to CCP for the next meeting.
I think the collective opinion is pretty much, give us some cold hard facts and figures for whats going to be in the expansion. Doesnt matter if we like what we see or not. Supercap nerf, will be awesome for most, make the Supercap pilots cry, etc etc. Half hearted non space welp expansions from CCP aint cutting the mustard anymore, we know it, why the hell are CCP not acknowleding it? |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
182
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Posted - 2011.09.12 10:18:00 -
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Vicar2008 wrote:
I think the collective opinion is pretty much, give us some cold hard facts and figures for whats going to be in the expansion. Doesnt matter if we like what we see or not. Supercap nerf, will be awesome for most, make the Supercap pilots cry, etc etc. Half hearted non space welp expansions from CCP aint cutting the mustard anymore, we know it, why the hell are CCP not acknowleding it?
I'll give them to you when I can, but if I can't give you the substance because actual content of an expansion doesn't get published ahead of time to account for inevitable manipulations based on its outcome, or expectation management (a portion of what is planned doesn't make it in, that's the case each time), then I'll at least tell you how happy (or unhappy) I am about the whole thing.
The last plan I've seen, I was very unhappy with the amount of resources allocated to Flying in space as opposed to space dollies and other stuff I didn't care much about, but I was quite happy with what was being done with the resources available. Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Barricade Dark
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Posted - 2011.09.12 10:20:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Flamespar wrote:After listening to all the raging on these forums I am of the opinion that what Hilmar should have said in his email was
"We will watch what the silent majority does rather than listen to the vocal minority." That they did... Subs took a hit, overall in-game activity took a hit, etc. It's a shame CCP has not yet learned to listen to what we say to an extent that would be beneficial. Don't underestimate the indirect influence of that vocal minority. It's pretty sad that this scheme repeats itself: - We tell them "don't do this, or this bad thing will happen" - They do it anyway - Aforementionned bad thing happens - They come back and solve the situation the way we told them they should have. - We can do nothing but once more throw our hands in the sky, look smug and say "told you"... That scheme stopped repeating itself for "micro" things (feature details) somewhere during CSM 3, now let's hope they evolve the same way for macro things. Doesn't mean they have to agree to everything, just take our informed opinion into consideration. Sometimes unpopular decisions are necessary (speed nerf was unpopular but necessary, same with falcon/ECM), but for those they usually have the approval of the level-headed CSM members...
The thing about the vocal minority compared to the silent majority is that the vocal majority speak out to reflect what might happen based on plans and intent, the silent majority simply react to it by canceling subscription. In terms of opinions about the aformentioned changes the community while not in sync at all times general responds to it the same, its just some are vocal on the forums while others simply cancel their accounts and move on. |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
5
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Posted - 2011.09.12 10:38:00 -
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Good work CSM people, i haven't read all the topic, but as far as i can see, communication of your CSM is the best i've seen since i played Eve. I really hope that people will wait 'till next patchs to see where we are really going before whinning.
As far as i'm concerned, despite of all the lack of love we've seen recently, Eve stay the best of all MMO game |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
7
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Posted - 2011.09.12 10:58:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:[quote=Vicar2008] The last plan I've seen, I was very unhappy with the amount of resources allocated to Flying in space as opposed to space dollies and other stuff I didn't care much about, but I was quite happy with what was being done with the resources available.
Its good to see that something is coming out of all this, I think I could accept a resonable amount of resources on WiS to get the other CQs out and the establishments.
I get the awful feeling that it will just end up being a constant resource drain on the rest of the game as rooms and new underwear get introduced and it will never reach a point where CCP can walk away for a year or two and concentrate on the other aspects of the game.
I'd love CCP to get the other CQs and the establishments out and then drop all the teams (appart from say one 'dressmaker/WiS' team) back onto FiS and knock out decent patches and fixes faster than a woodpecker on drugs. |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
182
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Posted - 2011.09.12 11:10:00 -
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Rainus Max wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:[quote=Vicar2008] The last plan I've seen, I was very unhappy with the amount of resources allocated to Flying in space as opposed to space dollies and other stuff I didn't care much about, but I was quite happy with what was being done with the resources available. Its good to see that something is coming out of all this, I think I could accept a resonable amount of resources on WiS to get the other CQs out and the establishments. I get the awful feeling that it will just end up being a constant resource drain on the rest of the game as rooms and new underwear get introduced and it will never reach a point where CCP can walk away for a year or two and concentrate on the other aspects of the game. I'd love CCP to get the other CQs and the establishments out and then drop all the teams (appart from say one 'dressmaker/WiS' team) back onto FiS and knock out decent patches and fixes faster than a woodpecker on drugs.
"reasonable" is the key indeed. However for the past 12 months the amount hasn't been what I'd call reasonable. CSM 5 warned CCP such a plan would be "poorly received", to no avail.
A small caveat on the "resource drain". If one has to argue, one has to argue for the right reasons. As far as I understand it, clothes are not a resource drain on Eve, they are designed by someone hired to do just that, clothes, as it is their professional expertise. One could argue that a game designer or programmer could have been hired instead, but that's missing the point since that clothes person would also be required for another CCP project (WoD). So, resource drain from CQ, establishment, character animations, etc. I agree with, clothes I'm not so sure. Plus frankly that person is doing a good job. I'm sad the same can't be said of the (imo) idiots in charge of pricing strategy but that's a separate issue. Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
5
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Posted - 2011.09.12 11:17:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Plus frankly that person is doing a good job. I'm sad the same can't be said of the (imo) idiots in charge of pricing strategy but that's a separate issue. I totally agree with this. Why a so idiot pricing strategy ... If Nex prices were divided by 10, i'm sure there's a lot of people to buy stuff from that shop |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
43
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Posted - 2011.09.12 11:17:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:I'm sad the same can't be said of the idiots in charge
FYP |
Xtraneous
Sam's Space Guys
0
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Posted - 2011.09.12 12:56:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
That they did... Subs took a hit, overall in-game activity took a hit, etc. It's a shame CCP has not yet learned to listen to what we say to an extent that would be beneficial.
I've been curious about this since it was mentioned the CSM was briefed on these metrics at the summit - can you elaborate on how much of a hit subs and game activity took? or is this NDA'd? i didn't see any hard numbers mentioned in the minutes... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
165
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Posted - 2011.09.12 13:01:00 -
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Xtraneous wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
That they did... Subs took a hit, overall in-game activity took a hit, etc. It's a shame CCP has not yet learned to listen to what we say to an extent that would be beneficial.
I've been curious about this since it was mentioned the CSM was briefed on these metrics at the summit - can you elaborate on how much of a hit subs and game activity took? or is this NDA'd? i didn't see any hard numbers mentioned in the minutes...
IIRC, the exact number was NDA'd and CCP haven't released active sub numbers since. For what it's worth, Mittani reported that he was very surprised to see such high numbers of cancellations, - and this was in the context of people floating numbers around the 5,000 mark just from the "unsubscribed" thread. My seat of the pants guess would be in the 10-20,000 range.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
165
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Posted - 2011.09.12 13:02:00 -
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BugraT WarheaD wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Plus frankly that person is doing a good job. I'm sad the same can't be said of the (imo) idiots in charge of pricing strategy but that's a separate issue. I totally agree with this. Why a so idiot pricing strategy ... If Nex prices were divided by 10, i'm sure there's a lot of people to buy stuff from that shop
IIRC, the "concept" was that they wanted to establish EVE as a "Premium brand".
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
182
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Posted - 2011.09.12 13:04:00 -
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Xtraneous wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
That they did... Subs took a hit, overall in-game activity took a hit, etc. It's a shame CCP has not yet learned to listen to what we say to an extent that would be beneficial.
I've been curious about this since it was mentioned the CSM was briefed on these metrics at the summit - can you elaborate on how much of a hit subs and game activity took? or is this NDA'd? i didn't see any hard numbers mentioned in the minutes...
And I don't believe you will, except post facto in CCP's shareholder document thingie. Either way that's not for me to decide, and other than rabble and rabble and "I told you so"s, there's no real value in publishing this, is there? Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Xtraneous
Sam's Space Guys
0
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Posted - 2011.09.12 13:38:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:there's no real value in publishing this, is there?
As a businessman numbers tend to be the first thing I look at. As Hilmar crudely pointed out they underpin the whole decision making process. If subs had increased post incarna I doubt any amount of forum rage would have altered CCPs plans. So the extent of subscription losses would be useful indicator of future CCP decisions. I was just curious really, professional habits make it the obvious question to ask.
Having said that, if I was running CCP I wouldn't be releasing that data either - as you say it doesn't do anyone any good.
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
38
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Posted - 2011.09.12 13:39:00 -
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Trying to read through this thread, I can't tell if you met with Zulu for the follow up meeting or not.
If you do meet with him and he tells you how many new devs will be assigned to FIS please post it in a new thread. I would be interested in the numbers of devs assigned to the different aspects. He posted some numbers in 7/2010 and we can see how the game became stagnant. I want to see how these numbers changed or when they are going to change.
If you meet with him and he won't give you the specific numbers devs of assigned to each aspect of FIS (or tells you but you are supposed to keep it a secret from the players, via nds) then don't bother.
If we can't hear how many new devs are going to be assigned to FIS then we can safely assume eve will continue to stagnate.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
140
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Posted - 2011.09.12 13:44:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Trying to read through this thread, I can't tell if you met with Zulu for the follow up meeting or not.
If you do meet with him and he tells you how many new devs will be assigned to FIS please post it in a new thread. I would be interested in the numbers of devs assigned to the different aspects. He posted some numbers in 7/2010 and we can see how the game became stagnant. I want to see how these numbers changed or when they are going to change.
If you meet with him and he won't give you the specific numbers devs of assigned to each aspect of FIS (or tells you but you are supposed to keep it a secret from the players, via nds) then don't bother.
If we can't hear how many new devs are going to be assigned to FIS then we can safely assume eve will continue to stagnate.
The follow up meeting will be sometime this week, we haven't set a date/time yet.
The numbers haven't changed all that much from his past dev blog, which is the main reason we have been going to the media and met with Zulu. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.09.12 14:12:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Flamespar wrote:After listening to all the raging on these forums I am of the opinion that what Hilmar should have said in his email was
"We will watch what the silent majority does rather than listen to the vocal minority." That they did... Subs took a hit, overall in-game activity took a hit, etc. It's a shame CCP has not yet learned to listen to what we say to an extent that would be beneficial.
Its funny, reading the minutes and seeing ccps responses to their questions and outbursts, you see a lot in ccps stance an the parent patting a wayward child on the head for their mistakes. in this context it comes off as condescending. How the CSM can even think they have any real power at all after reading that meeting is laughable.
And if this is the CCP-approved version, what was it really like lol
Two step wrote:
The follow up meeting will be sometime this week, we haven't set a date/time yet.
The numbers haven't changed all that much from his past dev blog, which is the main reason we have been going to the media and met with Zulu.
Ill have to try an find the quote but I like the guy that linked the delay in the supercap nerf to mittans' supposed rage lol "If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
182
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Posted - 2011.09.12 14:48:00 -
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Richard Aiel wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Flamespar wrote:After listening to all the raging on these forums I am of the opinion that what Hilmar should have said in his email was
"We will watch what the silent majority does rather than listen to the vocal minority." That they did... Subs took a hit, overall in-game activity took a hit, etc. It's a shame CCP has not yet learned to listen to what we say to an extent that would be beneficial. Its funny, reading the minutes and seeing ccps responses to their questions and outbursts, you see a lot in ccps stance an the parent patting a wayward child on the head for their mistakes. in this context it comes off as condescending. How the CSM can even think they have any real power at all after reading that meeting is laughable. And if this is the CCP-approved version, what was it really like lol
Actually, the meetings have at all times been pretty cordial and in mutual respect. We regularly have strong words, on both sides, about the other's stance towards things, but it's usually pretty constructive. I can remember about 5 meetings out of the 100+ I've attended out of where I've come thinking the CCP person was full of **** and a waste of time to talk to.
There have been meetings where CCP wouldn't budge on a stance no matter the arguments provided. Sometimes for crap reasons (mandatory CQ is an example of a decision being made for crap reasons as far as I'm concerned) but sometimes for "good" reasons we happened to disagree with. The latter being mostly with game design, but these are usually the result of getting the facts right and being unsure what the impact of something will be or the desirability of a change in terms of impact on the game. These are perfectly fine by me, I provide feedback, if they understand what I'm saying and deem what I think undesirable acceptable, then they're making an informed decision, which is all I can ask.
One thing you have to remember is that you'll _very_ rarely see CCP saying they screwed up, even when it's obvious they did. They'll provide explanations and justifications, but public admission of failure? Rarely... Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
52
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Posted - 2011.09.12 14:59:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:lotta stuff...
They'll provide explanations and justifications, but admission of failure? Rarely... Now THERE is some scary CSM insight. ...to think my favorite game is being by Chevrolet Motors... I hope Iceland has a "too big to fail" policy in their country too... ALL GëívGëí Ships | Odd-áGëívGëí Items | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
195
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Posted - 2011.09.12 15:04:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:lotta stuff...
They'll provide explanations and justifications, but admission of failure? Rarely... Now THERE is some scary CSM insight. ...to think my favorite game is being by Chevrolet Motors... I hope Iceland has a "too big to fail" policy in their country too...
Sorry, I mistyped my comment, I added "public" in "public admission of failure".
They'll admit to us they f..ked up allright, but doing so in public is different. (Hey, who likes that). Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Nonnori Ikkala
Love for You
0
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Posted - 2011.09.12 15:25:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:That scheme stopped repeating itself for "micro" things (feature details) somewhere during CSM 3, now let's hope they evolve the same way for macro things. Good to know change in CCP's attitude isn't impossible. Any particularly salient examples for those of us not around a few years ago? |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
42
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Posted - 2011.09.12 15:36:00 -
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Two step wrote:Cearain wrote:Trying to read through this thread, I can't tell if you met with Zulu for the follow up meeting or not.
If you do meet with him and he tells you how many new devs will be assigned to FIS please post it in a new thread. I would be interested in the numbers of devs assigned to the different aspects. He posted some numbers in 7/2010 and we can see how the game became stagnant. I want to see how these numbers changed or when they are going to change.
If you meet with him and he won't give you the specific numbers devs of assigned to each aspect of FIS (or tells you but you are supposed to keep it a secret from the players, via nds) then don't bother.
If we can't hear how many new devs are going to be assigned to FIS then we can safely assume eve will continue to stagnate.
The follow up meeting will be sometime this week, we haven't set a date/time yet. The numbers haven't changed all that much from his past dev blog, which is the main reason we have been going to the media and met with Zulu.
Thanks for the response. I did see this came up in the minutes from your first summit. It didn't take allot of space in the minutes, but I am glad CSM6 recognizes it as crucial.
Thanks for your continued efforts on this. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Azelor Delaria
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming The 0rphanage
21
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Posted - 2011.09.12 16:08:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:I'm informing you of a process in place, not of CCP saying "we'll look at it somewhere down the line". One process that should generate progress or at least an answer because they're looking at it now...
Before you decry the results of that process to be meaningless, why don't you wait for the result to come out?
Whether that process produces the necessary outcome or not, I'll be posting here again to tell you what came of it anyway. The good thing is that there's *something* going on.
As soon as there's developments, there will be an update. In the meantime I'm reading this thread and others to make sure I get your collective opinion to relay it to CCP for the next meeting.
You informed us of nothing. All you said was, "We met with CCP Zulu, who is the senior developer for EVE Online and has absolutely no control over what goes on because he's not a 'suit' like Hilmar". You provided no details about what was said, citing the NDA. You provided no details as to what was mentioned, citing the NDA. You provided no specific topics, citing the NDA.
The reason we are "decrying" the results is because there have been no results. Once again, we have absolutely nothing going on that supports anything you say. A supercapital ship nerf? Congratulations. But it was something that was coming, not something you single-handedly as the current CSM suggested happen. You are piggybacking off of the collective works of previous CSMs even if you were on it or not.
As someone else said, CCP says what they want you to hear, then does what they want to do. That's par for the proverbial course. They created a game where lying, cheating, swindling, and general asshattery commonly frowned upon in real life is the everyday norm. Why should we believe that the developers of such a game aren't lying to us? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
52
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Posted - 2011.09.12 16:18:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Gogela wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:lotta stuff...
They'll provide explanations and justifications, but admission of failure? Rarely... Now THERE is some scary CSM insight. ...to think my favorite game is being by Chevrolet Motors... I hope Iceland has a "too big to fail" policy in their country too... Sorry, I mistyped my comment, I added "public" in "public admission of failure". They'll admit to us they f..ked up allright, but doing so in public is different. (Hey, who likes that). Well that's a relief. If they will at least admit internally when they are fu**ing up that's fine... at least they will do that. I would rather be in the dark but know they will admit mistakes and not be afraid to correct course than to be in the know with a broken company...
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Zleon Leigh
7
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Posted - 2011.09.12 17:03:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Neftaran wrote:I truly do not see why do you space politicians even bother posting this type of information. It's getting so repetitive and pointless. You wave your saber around to garner some attention.. CCP lets things gestate for a few days and then low and behold it's time for a meeting. You have your meeting then regurgitate the same responses we've been hearing for years. Few months from now we will get some more space drama and the never ending spin cycle of b.s. will start over again.
Player representation is nothing more than an illusion. Great, don't vote in CSM7, and I'll keep all this power and influence to myself. No big!
Are the results from the independent auditors on CSM on-shore/off-shore bank accounts in yet?
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. |
Swearte Widfarend
Aurora Security Transstellar Operations
2
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Posted - 2011.09.12 17:44:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Guys, there is nothing any of us can say at this point more than what we've said.
But know that we are working hard on your behalf to get CCP to address your concerns regarding FiS. More like on behalf of the people that play in null-sec. If you've been playing the game at all you'd realize what happens in nullsec affects empire, and vice versa. This game has many similarities to a functioning ecology - remove one species or poison one habitat and the whole chain is disrupted. I simply dont buy that you can fight for change in one area of eve and not have repercussions elsewhere. It is NO coincidence that amidst all the hubbub about nullsec stagnation, we are seeing a spike in lowsec of displaced and bored alliances going on the roam and searching inward for fights, isk, and lulz.
Forums ate my post. At least some things don't change.
The ability of the average empire player to comprehend the interaction between nullsec and empire is tenuous, at best.
WIthout the player-driven content in nullsec (translation: PvP fleet fights and ships blowing up in large volumes) your pretty loots, salvage, and LP items placed on the market don't sell for you as a profit.
Anything done to improve Nullsec, and break the spiral of declining subscriptions and logins (one of my accounts lapsed this weekend, not sure when I'll resub it if at all) will improve the markets and hence the profits of the Empire players. Ship balancing done for nullsec works in Empire (well, mostly), which benefits Empire players. In fact, it might be a safe statement that almost any change to improve nullsec would be good for EVE as a whole, which you can't say about any change to empire. (sorry, mission buff doesn't create player content which creates marketing which brings new players). |
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.12 17:48:00 -
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gogela wrote:Well that's a relief. If they will at least admit internally when they are fu**ing up that's fine... at least they will do that. I would rather be in the dark but know they will admit mistakes and not be afraid to correct course than to be in the know with a broken company...
I'll even go further:
I don't even give a flying beep if they admit they are wrong or not IF I see corrections being made whenever something is clearly wrong. Expertise and professionalism speak louder then words when they are there.
I wise man once said that the crowd would be judged by its actions not words...
I shall do the same |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.12 18:17:00 -
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Dalketh wrote:Vaako Horizon wrote:
This was a bone... instead of this crap you guys should have been silent... Reason? well, this bone will now make us long for something again which if it ever happens ( as it feels atm not ever ) its gonna be a long long time until we see it.
THIS EXACTLY. CCP messes up - CSM supposedly to the rescue - CSM satisfied with CCP saying/promising blah blah blah... we wait... and nothing.... CSM angry... summits... emergency meetings... CSM say wait they are optimistic... then NOTHING.... CSM gets up in arms... we supposed to pay attention yet again... then CSM pleased... then NOTHING... over and over. Year after year. 'This time will be different'... don't you understand you are wearing us out? If you can't make a difference... quit. If you can... we haven't really seen it and are tired. Mitten's profanity filled speeches and Trebor's damage control not withstanding... we are feeling hopeless imo.... thats what I see. FYI a nullsec boost (since the current CSM so null-sec heavy) isn't going to cut it if that is current thought.
That's one of the funnier things about being from nullsec and then getting a spot on the CSM. We swear casually all the time, it's completely unremarkable. You give a speech to people from hisec and suddenly you begin to encounter the tiny population of players who can somehow find it in themselves to still be upset by "dirty words" - in a game with no law but that of the jungle. Amazing. |
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