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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.09.09 16:59:00 -
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Hello Everyone,
Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.
During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.
Stay tuned...
Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Abrazzar
88
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:03:00 -
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More vague promises.
Praise the NDA! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:04:00 -
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i hope the CSM is successful in their endeavors to get lots of love for FiS in the winter expansion WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Vicar2008
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:05:00 -
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No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
110
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:06:00 -
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We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
132
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:08:00 -
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Vicar2008 wrote:No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc.
It's not a bone being thrown. Meetings like this one, when they reach their conclusion, take the form of a devblog and CSM posts. I believed it important for you to know that discussion is underway to address the problems, even if I can't disclose in what way yet. Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Abrazzar
88
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:08:00 -
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Two step wrote:We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules. Those rules clearly undermine your usefulness. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Cedric deBouilard
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:09:00 -
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to CSM; I realize CCP (and NDA) limits your ability to make clear statements here in forums, but know some people (me included) think you're doing a damn fine job of pestering, annoying, poking the CCP and trying to give them a wake-up call.
your efforts are much appreciated. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:09:00 -
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can you encourage CCP Zulu to come into the thread and make some substantive comments, i know you guys aren't allowed to reveal anything. WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
78
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:11:00 -
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WoW.
I really do hope we get more FiS development...
I really want EvE to do well but on a more selfish note
I just lack things to do and am bored and frustrated with eve....
hope some changes to FiS re-invigorate my desire to actually log in. |
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Vicar2008
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:11:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Vicar2008 wrote:No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc. It's not a bone being thrown. Meetings like this one, when they reach their conclusion, take the form of a devblog and CSM posts. I believed it important for you to know that discussion is underway to address the problems, even if I can't disclose in what way yet.
Forgive my frustrations, its Friday afternoon I dont envisage any new information comming to light till Best speed Monday at best. Heres hoping i am completly wrong |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:11:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Durign that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. so this is all about FiS budget vs Incarna budget now?
... and I thought there was a strong EVE vs DUST vs WoD component in the CSM's displeasure about resource prioritization.
I guess Zulu can use you as a bargaining chip if we get lucky ("the CSM made me do over 9000 additional projects that I don't have the manpower to do unless you increase my budget")
But this wasn't really what I had hoped for after all the talk about addressing upper management ...
(pretty sure that for Apocrypha - the great "all hands on deck" example everybody has been ranting about lately - manpower from other (non-EVE) teams was borrowed) |
riverini
Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:15:00 -
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You have my bow! |
Yvan Ratamnim
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
12
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:17:00 -
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Yay more Vague discussions, what was it that CCP once said "we look at what player do not what they say" ... well same goes back at ya CCP/CSM |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
31
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:18:00 -
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Great work CSM 6! Continue to do your best to get more devs actually assigned to eve core game play. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
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Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD.
34
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:21:00 -
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I think this CSM is really holding CCP's feet to the fire on any issue that the community perceives to be a problem. However, I also feel CCP have just gotten better flame-proof boots and will still find a way to ignore it.
From what I can tell about the minutes of the last 2 summits (including the emergency ones), it seems that CCP will bend over backwards to try to tell the CSM whatever they want to hear in order to get them off their backs, yet have no intention of actually following through with anything, because they have the attitude that they know best. They just want to shut the CSM up and make them happy. To me it feels like express diplomacy to get the CSM out of their hair, and nothing more.
About 15 years ago, I worked for a retired air force colonel who had been an attach+¬ to the Canadian embassy in Moscow in the late 80s. From his experience, he described successful diplomacy as: "the fine art of telling someone to go to Hell in such a way that they leave looking forward to the trip". From what I can tell, CCP management have become quite proficient in this artform. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:23:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Hello Everyone,
Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.
During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.
Stay tuned...
Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 cool story bro |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
78
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:26:00 -
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Can the CSm meet with higher than Zulu...
I'm sure zulu would agree with much of what the CSM wants...but he can't allocate more budget from WoD to FIS. |
Zakua Corbin
3rd MERC Squadron
1
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:34:00 -
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Does this mean we get sparkled Pony ships with lipstick and giant flying kittens? I can't hold out any longer! |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
110
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:38:00 -
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E man Industries wrote:Can the CSm meet with higher than Zulu...
I'm sure zulu would agree with much of what the CSM wants...but he can't allocate more budget from WoD to FIS.
I'm 99% sure that the only person above Zulu is Hilmar. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:39:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Vicar2008 wrote:No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc. It's not a bone being thrown. Meetings like this one, when they reach their conclusion, take the form of a devblog and CSM posts. I believed it important for you to know that discussion is underway to address the problems, even if I can't disclose in what way yet.
If the monoclegate meeting minutes is the current standard for the release of information from meetings between CCP and the CSM you'll understand if I'm a little dubious about when we might see a Devblog, etc regarding this one. |
Large Collidable Object
morons. Interstellar Hobos
161
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:58:00 -
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Zakua Corbin wrote:Does this mean we get sparkled Pony ships with lipstick and giant flying kittens? I can't hold out any longer!
Really? REALLY? WHEN CCP, WHEN?
For motivation (You're going to like this, Zymurgist): If I wasn't deeply bored with stagnant EVE content (I refuse to call Eve 'fis' all of a sudden), I'd probably fly spaceships again instead of trying to get anything out of my subscription by trying to find new professions like supermodel or roleplayer and posting about them on the forums.
Is that good?
I don't need much - just take the 5 least flown ships and boost them - take the 5 most flown ships and nerf them - do that once/twice a year and I'll be fine... morons are recruiting. You know who you are! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
130
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:59:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Hello Everyone,
Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.
During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.
Stay tuned...
Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6
Sounds good, but the currency of sounding good has become rather devalued as of late.
Ah man I'm sorry, I know you're doing everything that can be done in your situation and I am genuinely grateful. I hope your efforts end up being rewarded with tangible results. Please keep on trying for us.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. |
Captain Hindsite
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.09 18:01:00 -
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Cedric deBouilard wrote:to CSM; I realize CCP (and NDA) limits your ability to make clear statements here in forums, but know some people (me included) think you're doing a damn fine job of pestering, annoying, poking the CCP and trying to give them a wake-up call.
your efforts are much appreciated.
Agreed. |
Smoking Blunts
18
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Posted - 2011.09.09 18:01:00 -
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ccp are full of words and no action.
we watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
personnaly i expect more pr spin and little to no action, same as teh last 18 months CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.09 18:01:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:Hello Everyone,
Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online)
Holy crap I like this one
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
23
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Posted - 2011.09.09 18:02:00 -
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So you've had a meeting to arrange a meeting?
Cool.
C.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.09 18:04:00 -
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Two step wrote:We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules.
the same argument used in the other thread. Out of curiosity, your NDA doesnt have a clause noting you arent allowed to refer to the NDA in the manner you all have been? I know the one for SWTOR does
an just so you know, what this truly says is "Im glad we have a NDA so we can point to it and shrug mysteriously" They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Lens Thirring
5
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Posted - 2011.09.09 18:07:00 -
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Two step wrote:We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules. You could tell us what you proposed.
How many more resources are you demanding for FiS? In what form: A new dev team, or add some devs to existing teams? Hire new people, or take them from existing projects? Or should Soundwave just be working longer hours? What should be their priorities (FiS covers a lot of ground)? What timescales are acceptable for them to carry this out?
We don't know how much of this has been thought through, but if you're making demands presumably you have demands to make.
Surely there is not an NDA on your own ideas for adding resources to FiS. |
Gwenywell Shumuku
21
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Posted - 2011.09.09 18:07:00 -
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CCP's credibility is at 0. CSM credibility is at ....near 0. Why? Who was it that called the players "whiners" and told the media everything was ok after the meeting? Who utterly lost all momentum of the rage because they drowned in self-importance?
CCP did with the CSM what they do with the forum-playerbase, they ignore, manipulate and turn whats happening into PR-stuff (like the CSM minutes...we don't even have yet...because of this).
So, now you talk with Zulu AGAIN, maybe you can make a new youtube-video telling everyone that THIS TIME everything is different, we learned how to communicate, and everything will be better.
No, really, nearly everyone i talk to ingame or out of game are disillusioned about CCP by now, they have to deliver, end of story. If they don't, then the decline will spiral out of control. EVE is dying? Well, this time its pretty close to actually deserve it.
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