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Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen 20	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:10:00 - [31] - Quote Why oh why is this company so scared of committing to anything? "Hey uhhhh we got some patch coming up but uhhh... we won't tell you what it'l include until the day before, just incase we mess anything up and can't include it... cos you know, we would want to look like morons... :straightface:"
Rykuss Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:14:00 - [32] - Quote Two step wrote: We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules. Ok, let's play hot/cold then. Ponies?! Can I have your vindicator?
Psychophantic 24	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:14:00 - [33] - Quote Deja vu anyone?
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 27	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:16:00 - [34] - Quote Meissa Anunthiel wrote: Hello Everyone, Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu. During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned. Stay tuned... Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 8/10 -2 for being too obvious.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 59	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:16:00 - [35] - Quote Soi Mala wrote: Why oh why is this company so scared of committing to anything? "Hey uhhhh we got some patch coming up but uhhh... we won't tell you what it'l include until the day before, just incase we mess anything up and can't include it... cos you know, we would want to look like morons... :straightface:" Because the are not doing anything. They lie and lie so you keep playing skill training online in the hopes that they will do something. They are stringing us along and playing us for fools and suckers. Though, slowly but surely, this is no longer working as evidenced by the declining PCU and subscriptions.
Aldan Romar Imperial Academy 12	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:17:00 - [36] - Quote Gwenywell Shumuku wrote: ... they have to deliver ... Deliver what, exactly? The state of some people's mind at the moment would have them scream whatever CCP says, as well as scream when CCP doesn't say anything - I know what I would do as a company in that situation... CCP is not going to turn back time and not going to abandon their business plans. They may change some details, but that's about it. I think we should be happy that they try to listen at all. Style over substance
Prince Kobol 25	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:18:00 - [37] - Quote Anybody else having deja vu hmm.. i will make a predication. CSM will come back saying everything is fine. The Mittani will be smugger then usual and will claim to have saved Eve, again. CCP will post a dev blog with ponies and and how they have learned their lesson blah blah blah Details of the winter expansion are annouced lots of people will get angry and the CSM will go rar and CCP will be silent and the forum will be full of rage and we will go.. hang on, this feels similar, deja vu anybody
baltec1 25	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:20:00 - [38] - Quote Rykuss wrote: Two step wrote: We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules. Ok, let's play hot/cold then. Ponies?! hmm? wha? Someone said ponies?
Sovennek Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn 11	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:22:00 - [39] - Quote Cedric deBouilard wrote: to CSM; I realize CCP (and NDA) limits your ability to make clear statements here in forums, but know some people (me included) think you're doing a damn fine job of pestering, annoying, poking the CCP and trying to give them a wake-up call. your efforts are much appreciated. Hear! Hear! Remember: They're only pixels; it's not real money; it's supposed to be fun!
Two step Aperture Harmonics K162 110	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:25:00 - [40] - Quote Lens Thirring wrote: Two step wrote: We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules. You could tell us what you proposed. How many more resources are you demanding for FiS? In what form: A new dev team, or add some devs to existing teams? Hire new people, or take them from existing projects? Or should Soundwave just be working longer hours? What should be their priorities (FiS covers a lot of ground)? What timescales are acceptable for them to carry this out? We don't know how much of this has been thought through, but if you're making demands presumably you have demands to make. Surely there is not an NDA on your own ideas for adding resources to FiS. No, I can't tell you what we proposed. Even things that I say to CCP can be covered by the NDA. Again, our role is not to tell CCP who to hire or who to make work weekends. We are dissatisfied with the current level of staffing on FiS, and we want CCP to change that. Adding a single person would be good, switching the entire company over to working on EVE would be better. Hopefully we will end up somewhere in between. My own ideas on what should be added are irrelevant. I still favor the same stuff I favored when I ran for CSM, you can see details on that in my blog (linked in my signature). In general, the CSM is all in agreement that the critical issue right now is balance (especially supercaps, but including all ships), and we would like to see that fixed ASAP. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do?
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 413	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:26:00 - [41] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Meissa Anunthiel wrote: Hello Everyone, Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu. During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned. Stay tuned... Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 Sounds good, but the currency of sounding good has become rather devalued as of late. Ah man I'm sorry, I know you're doing everything that can be done in your situation and I am genuinely grateful. I hope your efforts end up being rewarded with tangible results. Please keep on trying for us. I agree, 'sounds good' is unsatisfying in this situation. Red meat is the only thing that concerns CSM6, not sound bites - deliverable improvements to EVE and a ruthless focus on FiS. Yet updates to the players have to come across as best they can across the wall of the NDA, and right now we can only divulge that a meeting occurred and that methods of resolution were discussed. I thought it was a useful conversation and I look forward to the next meeting - useful enough that we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will.
Unforgiven Storm Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 17	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:26:00 - [42] - Quote Two step wrote: E man Industries wrote: Can the CSm meet with higher than Zulu... I'm sure zulu would agree with much of what the CSM wants...but he can't allocate more budget from WoD to FIS. I'm 99% sure that the only person above Zulu is Hilmar. you are wrong, there is a shadow figure behind the scenes, that is above Hilmar and gives him orders everyday! this person is the one that is really in charge and the one CSM should be talking with This person is: --> Hilmar's wife! Last order issued: "Hilmar, get out of the PC, stop playing that terrible game of yours and get the trash out! now!"
Xython Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 48	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:35:00 - [43] - Quote At the very least, we now that the CSM's declaration of War, and the Viral Marketing that picked up on it, had results.
Denidil The Graduates Morsus Mihi 79	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:37:00 - [44] - Quote The Mittani wrote: Malcanis wrote: Meissa Anunthiel wrote: Hello Everyone, Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu. During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned. Stay tuned... Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 Sounds good, but the currency of sounding good has become rather devalued as of late. Ah man I'm sorry, I know you're doing everything that can be done in your situation and I am genuinely grateful. I hope your efforts end up being rewarded with tangible results. Please keep on trying for us. I agree, 'sounds good' is unsatisfying in this situation. Red meat is the only thing that concerns CSM6, not sound bites - deliverable improvements to EVE and a ruthless focus on FiS. Yet updates to the players have to come across as best they can across the wall of the NDA, and right now we can only divulge that a meeting occurred and that methods of resolution were discussed. I thought it was a useful conversation and I look forward to the next meeting - useful enough that we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will. aka CCP Hilmar perceived the clear shot across the bow, and realized "i'm pissing off my companies core customers". WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 32	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:38:00 - [45] - Quote You know, your proposals to CCP would not be covered by the NDA if you told us what they were BEFORE you talked to CCP. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should.
Cailais Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United 23	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:40:00 - [46] - Quote The Mittani wrote: we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will. Got the slap down huh? C.
Richard Hammond II Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:43:00 - [47] - Quote You know, this whole WiS / NeX store arrangement is making me think When Star Trek Online launched, they had a cash store (C-Store) into which they put all kinds of uniforms, races (not available in game), Traditional ship designs (Excelsior), and told the playerbase quite literally, on the forums a few months after the ships started being put in and ppl started getting pissy, "You all have been asking for all this stuff for months now. If it wasnt for the C-Store, this wouldnt exist" Im thinking that was the point of WiS. If it wasnt for NeX CCP would have had no incentive to finish the project. "For us, the players" is a pretty big laugh now that we've seen how CCP actually feels about us lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 413	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:43:00 - [48] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: You know, your proposals to CCP would not be covered by the NDA if you told us what they were BEFORE you talked to CCP. We've made no secret about CSM6's desire to see more resources allocated to FiS. I'm not sure what part of our message you didn't understand from the blizzard of media coverage, podcasts, blogs, and CSM member posts during this controversy. You can lead a poster to the internet, but you can't make him r>c>p.
Richard Hammond II Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:46:00 - [49] - Quote The Mittani wrote: we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will. Why do I have the possible feeling legal measures and/or bannings were threatened lol its ok, its fairly obvious YOU dont stand for anything here. Color me not surprised you flip-flopped yet again They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP
Smoking Blunts 18	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:48:00 - [50] - Quote The Mittani wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: You know, your proposals to CCP would not be covered by the NDA if you told us what they were BEFORE you talked to CCP. We've made no secret about CSM6's desire to see more resources allocated to FiS. I'm not sure what part of our message you didn't understand from the blizzard of media coverage, podcasts, blogs, and CSM member posts during this controversy. You can lead a poster to the internet, but you can't make him r>c>p. is it gonna be 3 months til we see the minuets of this meeting too? CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
Kengutsi Akira GloboTech Industries 11	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:51:00 - [51] - Quote Its really funny how the CSM brags how influential you all are in your blogs but when you get called on it on the forums, suddenly you dont have any power
bitters much Nekkid Inc. 1	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:53:00 - [52] - Quote The Mittani wrote: I agree, 'sounds good' is unsatisfying in this situation. Red meat is the only thing that concerns CSM6, not sound bites - deliverable improvements to EVE and a ruthless focus on FiS. Yet updates to the players have to come across as best they can across the wall of the NDA, and right now we can only divulge that a meeting occurred and that methods of resolution were discussed. I thought it was a useful conversation and I look forward to the next meeting - useful enough that we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will. tldr version: I need more time to fish for new ideas on Failheap and then claim them as brand new born out of my mastermind
Kengutsi Akira GloboTech Industries 11	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:54:00 - [53] - Quote The Mittani wrote: feelin smug now, not gonna lie~ still feelin smug? Sounds more like you all got slapped back into reality
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 32	Posted - 2011.09.09 18:56:00 - [54] - Quote The Mittani wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: You know, your proposals to CCP would not be covered by the NDA if you told us what they were BEFORE you talked to CCP. We've made no secret about CSM6's desire to see more resources allocated to FiS. I'm not sure what part of our message you didn't understand from the blizzard of media coverage, podcasts, blogs, and CSM member posts during this controversy. You can lead a poster to the internet, but you can't make him r>c>p. The details is what I don't understand. Like how much effort you propose to be shifted, what you propose to do with incarna (have it become yet another abandoned feature?) and so on. Do you think that eve should get more funding that the income from subscriptions and PLEX sales? If the money being spent of FiS is equal to the subscriptions, is it OK for CCP to spend money on WiS, Dust, Wod? One of the above CSM members said that there was stuff CSM proposed that cannot be talked about because it was covered by the NDA. So there must have been CSM proposals that have not been in the media coverage, since if it was in the media coverage, it would be public and not under an NDA. All Im saying is you could have given us that information first, before it got locked up under a NDA. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should.
Grot Bags Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2011.09.09 19:03:00 - [55] - Quote All things considered, I am boldly going to predict that at Fanfest 2012 (assuming Eve has any fans left willing to attend), Hilmar in true homage to Icelandic humour, while nurturing his deep understanding of what the core customer base wants, will take to the stage to defend Incarna, WiS and Dust 514, amidst smoke, spooky sound effects and a fanfare of buzz words; emerging from a coffin with a PS3 Logo on the front of it while dressed up a a vampire; in an attempt to break the ice and reassure everybody that the future of Eve Online is in safe hands.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2011.09.09 19:05:00 - [56] - Quote We'll see what we see. My gut reaction is that CCP is incapable of reacting this fast but we'll see.
Dalketh Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2011.09.09 19:06:00 - [57] - Quote Yes serious deja vu. The only thing missing could be a video of mittens joshing around with a CCP rep and talking about how great communication is going to be in the future and then tweeting about how drunk he was getting.... and in general reassuring the players they were over-reacting. Oh.... wait that's more deja vu... as that was what happened last July. Prince Kobol wrote: Anybody else having deja vu hmm.. i will make a predication. CSM will come back saying everything is fine. The Mittani will be smugger then usual and will claim to have saved Eve, again. CCP will post a dev blog with ponies and and how they have learned their lesson blah blah blah Details of the winter expansion are annouced lots of people will get angry and the CSM will go rar and CCP will be silent and the forum will be full of rage and we will go.. hang on, this feels similar, deja vu anybody
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 130	Posted - 2011.09.09 19:08:00 - [58] - Quote Richard Hammond II wrote: The Mittani wrote: we'll be relaxing the media pressure for now. Take that for what you will. Why do I have the possible feeling legal measures and/or bannings were threatened lol From the available evidence, because you're not too bright and twist everything to fit your pre-conceived worldview? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Vicar2008 Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression 16	Posted - 2011.09.09 19:08:00 - [59] - Quote Vicar2008 wrote: Meissa Anunthiel wrote: Vicar2008 wrote: No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc. It's not a bone being thrown. Meetings like this one, when they reach their conclusion, take the form of a devblog and CSM posts. I believed it important for you to know that discussion is underway to address the problems, even if I can't disclose in what way yet. Forgive my frustrations, its Friday afternoon I dont envisage any new information comming to light till Best speed Monday at best. Heres hoping i am completly wrong Going to requote myself here, its always on a fecking Friday, more threads of us complaining you guys are telling us Jack :( note to CSM have it on Mondays we may know by Tuesday or Wednesday WTF is going on....... God I am so bitter, anyone got a lemon?
Dalketh Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2011.09.09 19:16:00 - [60] - Quote Yup yet another meeting with the CSM then no information due to NDA and everyone told to wait - AGAIN. CCP is getting smarter tho... this time they arranged the meeting more quickly to nip it in the bud and get the CSM to shut up. Xython wrote: At the very least, we now that the CSM's declaration of War, and the Viral Marketing that picked up on it, had results.

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