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Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.13 10:05:00 - [2461] Originally by: DeadDuck I remember to fly 4.2 K crusaders, having a blast, and still performing tackles all day long. Tbh: I remember melting sub 6.5-7km/s interceptors on TQ trivially, and without relying on Warrior IIs, in a battlecruiser.. Sub 7km/s interceptors are suicide ships. You might as well fly MWD-ing T1 fit T1 frigates as you're going to die on a very regular basis with 5-6km/s interceptors. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.13 10:05:00 - [2462] Originally by: DeadDuck I remember to fly 4.2 K crusaders, having a blast, and still performing tackles all day long. Tbh: I remember melting sub 6.5-7km/s interceptors on TQ trivially, and without relying on Warrior IIs, in a battlecruiser.. Sub 7km/s interceptors are suicide ships. You might as well fly MWD-ing T1 fit T1 frigates as you're going to die on a very regular basis with 5-6km/s interceptors. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
lebrata Hedion University	Posted - 2008.10.13 10:07:00 - [2463] Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 13/10/2008 10:04:43 Originally by: lebrata Edited by: lebrata on 13/10/2008 10:00:31 Originally by: DeadDuck Well I think we all have to think of diferent tactics and aproaches, after this pacth. I remember to fly 4.2 K crusaders, having a blast, and still performing tackles all day long. Gotta love this weak ass crap from supporters of this absurd nerf. Pro nerf = 4 years ago blah blah dribble. Anti nerf = As we speak on the test server the FACTS are ...ect ect. Originally by: DeadDuck And BTW I pass all my time blob'ing anything that enters cva space from a solo ship to a full gang and I'm all for this nerf cos i think it will make blobbing easier. fixed. Well you are a "PVP Pro" you surelly will adapt to these changes. Even I "a carebear blober" have adpated to deal with speed fittings If you had adapted you would not have been crying for a nerf you would be killing nano gangs that enter your space as easily as the rest of us.
lebrata Hedion University	Posted - 2008.10.13 10:07:00 - [2464] Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 13/10/2008 10:04:43 Originally by: lebrata Edited by: lebrata on 13/10/2008 10:00:31 Originally by: DeadDuck Well I think we all have to think of diferent tactics and aproaches, after this pacth. I remember to fly 4.2 K crusaders, having a blast, and still performing tackles all day long. Gotta love this weak ass crap from supporters of this absurd nerf. Pro nerf = 4 years ago blah blah dribble. Anti nerf = As we speak on the test server the FACTS are ...ect ect. Originally by: DeadDuck And BTW I pass all my time blob'ing anything that enters cva space from a solo ship to a full gang and I'm all for this nerf cos i think it will make blobbing easier. fixed. Well you are a "PVP Pro" you surelly will adapt to these changes. Even I "a carebear blober" have adpated to deal with speed fittings If you had adapted you would not have been crying for a nerf you would be killing nano gangs that enter your space as easily as the rest of us.
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 10:15:00 - [2465] Originally by: lebrata Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 13/10/2008 10:04:43 Originally by: lebrata Edited by: lebrata on 13/10/2008 10:00:31 Originally by: DeadDuck Well I think we all have to think of diferent tactics and aproaches, after this pacth. I remember to fly 4.2 K crusaders, having a blast, and still performing tackles all day long. Gotta love this weak ass crap from supporters of this absurd nerf. Pro nerf = 4 years ago blah blah dribble. Anti nerf = As we speak on the test server the FACTS are ...ect ect. Originally by: DeadDuck And BTW I pass all my time blob'ing anything that enters cva space from a solo ship to a full gang and I'm all for this nerf cos i think it will make blobbing easier. fixed. Well you are a "PVP Pro" you surelly will adapt to these changes. Even I "a carebear blober" have adpated to deal with speed fittings If you had adapted you would not have been crying for a nerf you would be killing nano gangs that enter your space as easily as the rest of us. ________________ God is my Wingman
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 10:15:00 - [2466] Originally by: lebrata Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 13/10/2008 10:04:43 Originally by: lebrata Edited by: lebrata on 13/10/2008 10:00:31 Originally by: DeadDuck Well I think we all have to think of diferent tactics and aproaches, after this pacth. I remember to fly 4.2 K crusaders, having a blast, and still performing tackles all day long. Gotta love this weak ass crap from supporters of this absurd nerf. Pro nerf = 4 years ago blah blah dribble. Anti nerf = As we speak on the test server the FACTS are ...ect ect. Originally by: DeadDuck And BTW I pass all my time blob'ing anything that enters cva space from a solo ship to a full gang and I'm all for this nerf cos i think it will make blobbing easier. fixed. Well you are a "PVP Pro" you surelly will adapt to these changes. Even I "a carebear blober" have adpated to deal with speed fittings If you had adapted you would not have been crying for a nerf you would be killing nano gangs that enter your space as easily as the rest of us. ________________ God is my Wingman
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 16:33:00 - [2467] Until now I have never used nanoships, though my skills allow decent use of such builds, but I have been blasted to hell by them. My point of view on them is something like a love-hate thing and my opinion is that the nerf is actually an overnerf. Modules that allow for nano should be modified in such way that interceptors, frigates, AFs and destroyers would remain with their performance intact, cause in the end, those are ships desigend to use speed to their advantage. From cruiser class upward, the modules should be less and less efficient. Not being able to hit a frig class ship with BS makes sense. What does not make sense is me flying a BS, getting jumped by a nano Rapier and a nano Vaga, they blast the crap out of me while I am not able to deal damage (because of speedtank and high shield resists of t2 cruisers) enough to bring them at least into armor. They simply stay outside my web range, orbiting at 15-20km letting the guns loose (that takes skill I suppose, as nano addicts say :P). One of my corpmates lost his carrier to a gang of 30 nano t2 cruisers as they were way too fast for his fighters/drones, and he was unable to bring down any of them. We are talking here about a carrier which by design should be a superior ship with overwhelming firepower, but in this case it proves useless. I agree that when numbers are highly against you, you could fail, but not being able to fight back at all is simply not right..
Ko Shimin Minmatar Independent Terran Empire Terran Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 16:33:00 - [2468] Until now I have never used nanoships, though my skills allow decent use of such builds, but I have been blasted to hell by them. My point of view on them is something like a love-hate thing and my opinion is that the nerf is actually an overnerf. Modules that allow for nano should be modified in such way that interceptors, frigates, AFs and destroyers would remain with their performance intact, cause in the end, those are ships desigend to use speed to their advantage. From cruiser class upward, the modules should be less and less efficient. Not being able to hit a frig class ship with BS makes sense. What does not make sense is me flying a BS, getting jumped by a nano Rapier and a nano Vaga, they blast the crap out of me while I am not able to deal damage (because of speedtank and high shield resists of t2 cruisers) enough to bring them at least into armor. They simply stay outside my web range, orbiting at 15-20km letting the guns loose (that takes skill I suppose, as nano addicts say :P). One of my corpmates lost his carrier to a gang of 30 nano t2 cruisers as they were way too fast for his fighters/drones, and he was unable to bring down any of them. We are talking here about a carrier which by design should be a superior ship with overwhelming firepower, but in this case it proves useless. I agree that when numbers are highly against you, you could fail, but not being able to fight back at all is simply not right..
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.13 17:12:00 - [2469] Edited by: Murina on 13/10/2008 17:13:30 Originally by: Ko Shimin Modules that allow for nano should be modified in such way that interceptors, frigates, AFs and destroyers would remain with their performance intact, cause in the end, those are ships desigend to use speed to their advantage. From cruiser class upward, the modules should be less and less efficient. Cruisers need speed to dude they are way to small HP wise for combat without speed to protect them. Originally by: Ko Shimin What does not make sense is me flying a BS, getting jumped by a nano Rapier and a nano Vaga, they blast the crap out of me while I am not able to deal damage (because of speedtank and high shield resists of t2 cruisers) enough to bring them at least into armor. They simply stay outside my web range, orbiting at 15-20km letting the guns loose (that takes skill I suppose, as nano addicts say :P). To kill your setup???.. no your right it takes no skill, but a nano ship orbiting at 15-20km is very vulnerable to nuets (so try fitting them) and when you think about it you are facing TWO 150 million minimum each (CHEAP END) to maybe 4 billion each (HIGH END) worth of pure combat fitted intensively high sp combat ships, in a pure non pvp ratting setup. Be honest do you really think you should win or even stand a chance?. Originally by: Ko Shimin One of my corpmates lost his carrier to a gang of 30 nano t2 cruisers as they were way too fast for his fighters/drones, and he was unable to bring down any of them. We are talking here about a carrier which by design should be a superior ship with overwhelming firepower, but in this case it proves useless. I agree that when numbers are highly against you, you could fail, but not being able to fight back at all is simply not right.. How long do you think his drones would have lasted if they had decided to pop them instead of out running them?, a carrier is a support ship not a uber pwn 30 ship for breakfast Juggernaut bud. 30 non nano ships could have killed that carrier without a loss buddy unless one of the 30 was a idiot.
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.13 17:12:00 - [2470] Edited by: Murina on 13/10/2008 17:27:25 Originally by: Ko Shimin Modules that allow for nano should be modified in such way that interceptors, frigates, AFs and destroyers would remain with their performance intact, cause in the end, those are ships desigend to use speed to their advantage. From cruiser class upward, the modules should be less and less efficient. Cruisers need speed as well dude they are way to small HP wise for even small gang combat without speed to protect them. Originally by: Ko Shimin What does not make sense is me flying a BS, getting jumped by a nano Rapier and a nano Vaga, they blast the crap out of me while I am not able to deal damage (because of speedtank and high shield resists of t2 cruisers) enough to bring them at least into armor. They simply stay outside my web range, orbiting at 15-20km letting the guns loose (that takes skill I suppose, as nano addicts say :P). To kill your setup???.. no your right it takes no skill, but a nano ship orbiting at 15-20km is very vulnerable to nuets (so try fitting them) and when you think about it you are facing TWO 150 million minimum each (CHEAP END) to maybe 4 billion each (HIGH END) worth of pure combat fitted intensively high sp combat ships, in a pure non pvp ratting setup. Be honest do you really think you should win or even stand a chance?. Originally by: Ko Shimin One of my corpmates lost his carrier to a gang of 30 nano t2 cruisers as they were way too fast for his fighters/drones, and he was unable to bring down any of them. We are talking here about a carrier which by design should be a superior ship with overwhelming firepower, but in this case it proves useless. I agree that when numbers are highly against you, you could fail, but not being able to fight back at all is simply not right.. How long do you think his drones would have lasted if they had decided to pop them instead of out running them?, a carrier is a support ship not a uber pwn 30 ship for breakfast Juggernaut bud. 30 non nano ships could have killed that carrier without a loss buddy unless one of the 30 was a idiot and sat still to let himself get popped.

carleyjones Caldari Blood and Silver	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:04:00 - [2471] Originally by: lebrata Edited by: lebrata on 13/10/2008 10:00:31 Originally by: DeadDuck Well I think we all have to think of diferent tactics and aproaches, after this pacth. I remember to fly 4.2 K crusaders, having a blast, and still performing tackles all day long. Gotta love this weak ass crap from supporters of this absurd nerf. Pro nerf = 4 years ago blah blah dribble. Anti nerf = As we speak on the test server the FACTS are ...ect ect. Yeah i've been enjoying people using the so called 'golden age' of pvp from 3/4 years ago to support the current nano nerf. Im really liking those rose tinted glasses. Or the way they happy forget that nanos was possible then but people chose not to fit ships for speed because there wasnt bubbles or dictors or jump bridges and warp core stabs were all the rage, ecm was on most ships and low sec gates was camped by insta popping sniper bs. Unfortunately ccp has added content to the game since then that has changed the pvp landscape...
carleyjones Caldari Blood and Silver	Posted - 2008.10.13 18:04:00 - [2472] Originally by: lebrata Edited by: lebrata on 13/10/2008 10:00:31 Originally by: DeadDuck Well I think we all have to think of diferent tactics and aproaches, after this pacth. I remember to fly 4.2 K crusaders, having a blast, and still performing tackles all day long. Gotta love this weak ass crap from supporters of this absurd nerf. Pro nerf = 4 years ago blah blah dribble. Anti nerf = As we speak on the test server the FACTS are ...ect ect. Yeah i've been enjoying people using the so called 'golden age' of pvp from 3/4 years ago to support the current nano nerf. Im really liking those rose tinted glasses. Or the way they happy forget that nanos was possible then but people chose not to fit ships for speed because there wasnt bubbles or dictors or jump bridges and warp core stabs were all the rage, ecm was on most ships and low sec gates was camped by insta popping sniper bs. Unfortunately ccp has added content to the game since then that has changed the pvp landscape...
sue AGPlant Minmatar Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:04:00 - [2473] everyone i am seeing here is saying nano is boring vs tanking = great fun. but id like to put forward my pov nano (well as a member of tri that makes me a nano* by default ) you need concentration eyes constantly on what you are doing keeping your ranges etc because web = death and there are no second chances in eve people. people complain and moan about how big and scary nano is but there is only ONE module that a nano pilt fears above all else the web its simple its efective and it = death to 95%of nanos dumb enough to get caught (dumb as in piot error = skill or lack there of being the decider) what makes webs go out way passed the ranges of any nano shit 2 recons spring to mind cant fly one? Im sure you have a friend that can. tanking and damage. This is something im having to do more and more and i have bloled it down to this basic formula. [PVP] activate tank+lock target+F1-F8 Wait (go make food/have smoke/cook a roast) if not dead goto [PVP] else activate clone Now Im not saying that it dosent need looked at far from it but step it in change the stacking look at the other stepped in. WHY jump from 1 extream from the other perhaps this is exactly whats needed perhaps some middle ground is all thats needed + stepping it in means it dosent come in like a sledge hammer and people wont complain quite so much /rant Nano *ging since 2006
sue AGPlant Minmatar Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:04:00 - [2474] everyone i am seeing here is saying nano is boring vs tanking = great fun. but id like to put forward my pov nano (well as a member of tri that makes me a nano* by default ) you need concentration eyes constantly on what you are doing keeping your ranges etc because web = death and there are no second chances in eve people. people complain and moan about how big and scary nano is but there is only ONE module that a nano pilt fears above all else the web its simple its efective and it = death to 95%of nanos dumb enough to get caught (dumb as in piot error = skill or lack there of being the decider) what makes webs go out way passed the ranges of any nano shit 2 recons spring to mind cant fly one? Im sure you have a friend that can. tanking and damage. This is something im having to do more and more and i have bloled it down to this basic formula. [PVP] activate tank+lock target+F1-F8 Wait (go make food/have smoke/cook a roast) if not dead goto [PVP] else activate clone Now Im not saying that it dosent need looked at far from it but step it in change the stacking look at the other stepped in. WHY jump from 1 extream from the other perhaps this is exactly whats needed perhaps some middle ground is all thats needed + stepping it in means it dosent come in like a sledge hammer and people wont complain quite so much /rant Nano *ging since 2006
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:59:00 - [2475] What changes were made on the speed nerf version 1 to the version 2 we see now i see no changes.
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:59:00 - [2476] What changes were made on the speed nerf version 1 to the version 2 we see now i see no changes.
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:35:00 - [2477] Originally by: Burn Mac What changes were made on the speed nerf version 1 to the version 2 we see now i see no changes. MWD activation delay was removed, I think, and the missiles damage formula is being changed. Probably more but still didn't have the time to check it out. ________________ God is my Wingman
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:35:00 - [2478] Originally by: Burn Mac What changes were made on the speed nerf version 1 to the version 2 we see now i see no changes. MWD activation delay was removed, I think, and the missiles damage formula is being changed. Probably more but still didn't have the time to check it out. ________________ God is my Wingman
Shirazz Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 - [2479] CCP probably wont read this BUT They should really start thinking about their cutomers, and a large proportion of of these customer will not be happy with the speed nerf as it is. This WILL slow the game down and people who are interested in this (normally) fast paced game WILL leave becasue of it. Im not saying dont nerf at all, just do it in a much more gradual way otherwise you will lose customers, and with the current financial situation that is not what you need right now.
Shirazz Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 - [2480] CCP probably wont read this BUT They should really start thinking about their cutomers, and a large proportion of of these customer will not be happy with the speed nerf as it is. This WILL slow the game down and people who are interested in this (normally) fast paced game WILL leave becasue of it. Im not saying dont nerf at all, just do it in a much more gradual way otherwise you will lose customers, and with the current financial situation that is not what you need right now.

Dakess Athan	Posted - 2008.10.14 08:05:00 - [2481] Edited by: Dakess Athan on 14/10/2008 08:16:04 Edited by: Dakess Athan on 14/10/2008 08:12:19 Well to all the nanoers who use to yell it at everyone who complained about the ridiculousness of the nigh invulnerable ships ADAPT OR DIE. I am 110% in favor of the nerf its needed, everywhere I go in 0.0 all i ever see is a nano I hardly ever see bship, bcruisers, or command ships. Only the usual ships Vaga, Rapier, Zealot, and anything else that can be nanoed. It's redundant and yes dealing with nanos is very easy but I personally don't like being engaged by an idiot who thinks hes invulnerable who then runs away when his drones are smartbombed and he gets neuted in the face. I, like most people I know, want kills. I'm not interested everytime I go out on a roam in running into 4-5km/s ships that will engage me because of the fact they know they can run away. And I can't let whether or not I have a rapier around decide whether I can play or not. Even with a neut they aren't in web range and they will just limp out of range until they can get enough cap to MWD away and warp. So whine all you like im tired of the nano fktard kind, maybe ppl will actually use ships they have to commit to fighting with. OMMGG what a concept.
Dakess Athan	Posted - 2008.10.14 08:05:00 - [2482] Edited by: Dakess Athan on 14/10/2008 08:16:04 Edited by: Dakess Athan on 14/10/2008 08:12:19 Well to all the nanoers who use to yell it at everyone who complained about the ridiculousness of the nigh invulnerable ships ADAPT OR DIE. I am 110% in favor of the nerf its needed, everywhere I go in 0.0 all i ever see is a nano I hardly ever see bship, bcruisers, or command ships. Only the usual ships Vaga, Rapier, Zealot, and anything else that can be nanoed. It's redundant and yes dealing with nanos is very easy but I personally don't like being engaged by an idiot who thinks hes invulnerable who then runs away when his drones are smartbombed and he gets neuted in the face. I, like most people I know, want kills. I'm not interested everytime I go out on a roam in running into 4-5km/s ships that will engage me because of the fact they know they can run away. And I can't let whether or not I have a rapier around decide whether I can play or not. Even with a neut they aren't in web range and they will just limp out of range until they can get enough cap to MWD away and warp. So whine all you like im tired of the nano fktard kind, maybe ppl will actually use ships they have to commit to fighting with. OMMGG what a concept.
lebrata Hedion University	Posted - 2008.10.14 08:25:00 - [2483] Originally by: Dakess Athan I want nano nerfed so ppl will sit still and let me pop them like the rats im soooooooooo uber at killing. Fixed.
lebrata Hedion University	Posted - 2008.10.14 08:25:00 - [2484] Edited by: lebrata on 14/10/2008 09:52:45 Originally by: Dakess Athan I want nano nerfed so ppl will sit still and let me pop them like the rats im soooooooooo uber at killing. I can tank like 3 or 4 1.5 mil BS rats in my PVE raven so all these other players must be cheating and breaking the game by using these weird PVP fits and not sitting still like the rats do and letting me pop them........ Fixed.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2008.10.14 09:50:00 - [2485] Originally by: Dakess Athan Even with a neut they aren't in web range and they will just limp out of range until they can get enough cap to MWD away and warp. try putting that dronebay to use and load up webbing drones. Put in space whales!
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2008.10.14 09:50:00 - [2486] Originally by: Dakess Athan Even with a neut they aren't in web range and they will just limp out of range until they can get enough cap to MWD away and warp. try putting that dronebay to use and load up webbing drones. Put in space whales!
Verstal Amarr Incredibuilders United	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:42:00 - [2487] My speed nerf sucks thread was closed 5 mins after it was created, I am canceling my 3 accounts, leave the game as fun as it is, my feedback to the design team is stop making changes to the basics of combat in this game, the speed nerf on SISI is a pile of bad design decisions. CCP Naviagtor is a power mad forum monkey btw, he should be fired. Former Ceptor Pilot, thanks for my time in Eve... -V-
Verstal Amarr Incredibuilders United	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:42:00 - [2488] My speed nerf sucks thread was closed 5 mins after it was created, I am canceling my 3 accounts, leave the game as fun as it is, my feedback to the design team is stop making changes to the basics of combat in this game, the speed nerf on SISI is a pile of bad design decisions. CCP Naviagtor is a power mad forum monkey btw, he should be fired. Former Ceptor Pilot, thanks for my time in Eve... -V-
Dana McLeod	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:18:00 - [2489] anyone noticed yet how well out of line the balance between the speed mods is now on SiSi ? OD t2: 12,5% velocity Nano t2: 9,4% veloc. / 15.8% inertia I-stab t2: 20% inertia Nanofibers look way too good and overdrives need a buff really especially if they retain the 20% cargo amount penalty. As of now there is no reason whatsoever to fit a I-stab or overdrive over a nanofiber. Wasnt the last nano nerf that changed speed mods meant to get rid off mods that affect two stats at once? And now you present us with an obviously overpowered nanofiber again, what gives?
Dana McLeod	Posted - 2008.10.14 13:18:00 - [2490] anyone noticed yet how well out of line the balance between the speed mods is now on SiSi ? OD t2: 12,5% velocity Nano t2: 9,4% veloc. / 15.8% inertia I-stab t2: 20% inertia Nanofibers look way too good and overdrives need a buff really especially if they retain the 20% cargo amount penalty. As of now there is no reason whatsoever to fit a I-stab or overdrive over a nanofiber. Wasnt the last nano nerf that changed speed mods meant to get rid off mods that affect two stats at once? And now you present us with an obviously overpowered nanofiber again, what gives?



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