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Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
[511] - Quote
[quote=Karadion][quote=Pepinillos][quote=Gossamer DT][quote=Pepinillos]The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive.[/quote
Hi ALT
Who is your main, and what does he do?[/quote
What do you care?[/quote
Then you're not relevant, NPC Corp Alt.[/quote
Come on, seriously, does anyone really expect people who are not protected by being in one of the big gangs to post on their main? You Goonies have already admitted and verified that you are willing to bulling the hell out of people. We are not stupid, we do still want to be able to play the game this evening and the only protection we little people have is to stay under the radar so thanks but no thanks on giving you any more information about me than that I am posting from a paid for account. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
[512] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So really, you are actually claiming to have not seen this sort of behavior?
I've never seen that behavior but I don't really associate with manchildren who claim they are suicidal to avoid consequences in a video game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
[513] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.
Your ability to provide psychological diagnoses with absolute certainty from brief online interactions is a wonder to behold. Given that you are possessed of what can only be described as a genuine superpower, I suggest you get yourself a costume and go help relieve the clogged up medical system. In that poor place mere 'real doctors' require actual personal contact with their patients before they are able to offer a diagnosis. Think how much you could do with your skill!
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PinkKnife
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
[514] - Quote
Personally, while I can stand Michael Bolton's fratboy shenanigans, This makes me embarrassed to be an eve player.
This is not the type of media CCP wants brought. Scams, and lossing isk is one thing, the harrassment and potential death of a player, is a whole new level of morally bankrupt.
I imagine most of those defending mittens have never lost someone close to them to suicide or dealt with death in any significant way.
His antics, while arguably borderline sociopath, speak more to his immaturity and childishness than anything else. You know who else doesn't realize the impact of their words, 12 year olds and teenagers looking for attention. |
evereplicant
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:44:00 -
[515] - Quote
Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:44:00 -
[516] - Quote
Valkyria Caeli wrote:Come on, seriously, does anyone really expect people who are not protected by being in one of the big gangs to post on their main?
I would think if this was an issue you really cared about you would post with your main.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Krutex
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:44:00 -
[517] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:If I was CCP, I wouldn't want the game associated with this sort of behavior/conduct.
Wait, we're talking about the company that run games during their events where the sole purpose is to get their own employees massivly drunk? Or the one where a game recruitment video is all about confidence scamming? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:45:00 -
[518] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.
Your ability to provide psychological diagnoses with absolute certainty from brief online interactions is a wonder to behold. Given that you are possessed of what can only be described as a genuine superpower, I suggest you get yourself a costume and go help relieve the clogged up medical system. In that poor place mere 'real doctors' require actual personal contact with their patients before they are able to offer a diagnosis. Think how much you could do with your skill!
The fact that the guy didn't commit suicide doesn't require me to have any psychological training.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
185
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:45:00 -
[519] - Quote
I see no evidence that this person is actually suicidal, and not just another dumbass trying to sympathy himself out of a hole.
If you're a pirate, over the years, you will receive several "OMG im suicidally depressed because you blew up my bantam" evemails.
To my knowledge, none of them has ever killed themselves.
poor taste maybe, but it's not like he stabbed a man.
Use some perspective please people... |
OfBalance
Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:45:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:OfBalance wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:
I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
So, how many people do you know who have deliberately pushed suicidal people as hard as they can... and then the suicidal person killed himself/herself? I can think of two in my own personal experience. I would be AMAZED if you didn't know at least one. lmao So, liar or a fool? Which is it? It's hardly uncommon behavior for a certain type of personality to push actually suicidal people as hard as they can. So really, you are actually claiming to have not seen this sort of behavior?
Back in my day we called that "hazing," and in the military it was commonplace. However, nobody actually pushed anyone to suicide in my unit. Even the washouts who went on to such thrilling careers as "alcoholic," still seem to be around. I have no idea what you're on about. I guess you grew up near a water source tainted with lead and/or mercury? |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
[521] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so... And most of the players attacking him are NPC Corp Alts. Hmmmmmmmm. Yeah, well, what do you expect when the person under discussion makes public calls for players he dislikes to be harassed? That his critics will hand over names and telephone numbers? Because he can be trusted not to take things too far? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
WOW, right here folks, yea so I hate to break it to you, but maybe you feel asleep while you were watching the Alliance Pannel, but the mittani didn't even know the wiz, so how can he have a like or dislike for him? |
Borlag Crendraven
EVE University
Ivy League
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
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While generally I'm very supportive of what the goons are doing, and a huge part of the appeal of the game for me is in the fact that you can be as big birtbag as you want to in the game and you'll get applauded for it, there's just some lines that should never be crossed. The biggest of them is taking it personal and attacking the people behind the nicknames and not the game characters. Could've it been just a thoughtless comment made after couple of beers too many? Maybe, but I doubt that CCP can look the other way at all when it comes to a person that is in position of representing all its playerbase. Similarily there was a huge outcry of a neo-**** candidate, coming from the goons themselves nonetheless, and now they're defending their own leader, who has shown just as much respect for human life as the ****'s did in the past?
And to think that at one time I actually considered the invitation I received to join the goons, and none of that 500M entry fee bs either.... |
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:It is quite pleasing to know that there are fellow GOONS who are equally disgusted by Mittani the Great's misconduct.
Goons, we all know that Mittani was a great leader, but that's past now.
Find a new leadership who can better suit the community.
Goons will prevail under better leadership. hahahahaha, you ARE being sarcastic aren't you? silly pubbie
No of course not. I am just seeing floods of support from Mittani the Great's fellow Goon members who are only doing so out of loyalty.
When they look beyond the loyalty, they will see that he is a guy who is responsible for single-handily tarnishing our beloved EVE Online's reputation in a single day.
There are some Goons who see reasons and are actively expressing their disgusts. He was a great leader who eventually brought more harm than good. |
Krutex
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
[524] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.
Your ability to provide psychological diagnoses with absolute certainty from brief online interactions is a wonder to behold. Given that you are possessed of what can only be described as a genuine superpower, I suggest you get yourself a costume and go help relieve the clogged up medical system. In that poor place mere 'real doctors' require actual personal contact with their patients before they are able to offer a diagnosis. Think how much you could do with your skill!
As is your ability to refute his statement with an equal amount of evidence. |
evereplicant
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:47:00 -
[525] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest.
It will be... |
Iniquita
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:47:00 -
[526] - Quote
The only thing I thought was over the line was sharing the character name and encouraging others to contact the person. But then what sort of behavior do you expect from members of the popular internet bullying site, somethingawful.com. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
471
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:49:00 -
[527] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest.
Two guys shooting a monument in a video game in protest is a cry for help. Maybe we should get them therapists and councilors because it's obviously the responsibility of video game makers to provide players free mental healthcare.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:50:00 -
[528] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. It will be...
Lol |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:50:00 -
[529] - Quote
Iniquita wrote:The only thing I thought was over the line was sharing the character name and encouraging others to contact the person. But then what sort of behavior do you expect from members of the popular internet bullying site, somethingawful.com.
Every goon from Something Awful dot com is an internet bully.
Trust me. |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[530] - Quote
He is the most powerful man in eve... how do you think he got there? definitely not by sharing sentiments with pubbies like the ones in this thread...
One phrase springs to mind.
"Welcome to EVE" |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[531] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. It will be...
Hope you guys are still there when I get home from work.
I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[532] - Quote
PinkKnife wrote:Personally, while I can stand Michael Bolton's fratboy shenanigans, This makes me embarrassed to be an eve player.
This is not the type of media CCP wants brought. Scams, and losing isk is one thing, the harassment and potential death of a player, is a whole new level of morally bankrupt.
I imagine most of those defending mittens have never lost someone close to them to suicide or dealt with death in any significant way.
His antics, while arguably borderline sociopathic, speak more to his immaturity and childishness than anything else. You know who else doesn't realize the impact of their words, 12 year olds and teenagers looking for attention.
Hi. My uncle on my mothers side committed suicide.
It was a joke. Kill yourself. |
Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[533] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. Two guys shooting a monument in a video game in protest is a cry for help. Maybe we should get them therapists and councilors because it's obviously the responsibility of video game makers to provide players free mental healthcare.
Given the crippled real world economy and the cuts to healthcare in most of our countries, why not just bombard them with mails and save tax payers money? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2262
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[534] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. It will be...
:shobon:
Keep believing little pubbie...keep believing.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
507
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[535] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Valk Enaka wrote:
The Mittani was voted in by a huge majority, and to consider kicking him from it just goes to show how little you care about the playerbase. CCP, this is where you need to show the same restraint you showed previously when other unpopular things have happened. At Fanfest you made many comments about listening to the players, and why look further than your own CSM results. As pointed out in many other threads, Mittens has received over 10,000 votes in this last election. Listen to the playerbase CCP.
What makes you think that the 10000 votes mean anything right now. No one voted before this happened. -1 BTW, as much as I liked his platform. Saying find him about a player even suspected of being suicidal is just going to far in my book. I don't care enough as current to make a huge issue over this, but I would not complain if the investigation kicks him off ether. So next year he might only get 10,057 votes
are you sure?
pushing that button ,not expecting something.
But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again.
thank god for clones |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:52:00 -
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Why are people still babbling on about Psychology? It's irrelevant.
The issue is that The Mittani, as a CSM, suggested to people that they break the rules by harassing someone. That's it. It's been said before (self-quoting for the win):
Quote:1. Whether or not a player is "suicidal" is irrelevant.
2. The rules explicitly state that harassment is not permitted.
3. The Mittani publicly requested people to harass this player in an out-of-game forum (albeit one sanctioned by the game company).
(snip)
He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules.
The real argument here is whether or not having a CSM member suggest that players break game rules "for the lulz" is acceptable conduct.
(snip)
You guys are doing the same thing that occurred during that whole Lewinsky scandal, where it became about adultery instead of perjury. There's no point in yammering on about psychology and suicide like you know what you're talking about when it's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand (though sadly had the player in question not been considered "suicidal" I doubt this issue would be receiving the attention it is). |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:52:00 -
[537] - Quote
[quote=Ladie Harlot][quote=Jessie-A Tassik]So, how many people do you know who have deliberately pushed suicidal people as hard as they can... and then the suicidal person killed himself/herself?.[/quote
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up
If the "mad about Mittani" crowd gets their way any time something happens in-game that you don't like you can just cry about being suicidal and get rewarded
[/quote
My response was to the poster who claimed "if the person was really suicidal then everyone would have acted completely different". As in "nobody really pushes suicidal people"
Well, that would be NO. There are people who really do do that. Oh sure, MOST PEOPLE don't. But there really are people in the real world who really do push suicidal people hard
As for Mittani, he knew the guy was a whiner, but much like the annoying atheist chick who youtube'd "that some guy I didn't want to sleep with hit on me in an elevator and I said no and he left", his wildly insane public attack on a damaged individual is in extraordinarily poor taste
In fact, if the Goon-vermin go after this guy full force, he might become suicidal as a result of the very very public attack
The appropriate response was to ignore it or attack him in a less public way.
NOTE:
Goon-vermin refusal to "talk with" people they can't threaten makes them thugs. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
537
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:53:00 -
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lol this is like the New Eden occupy movement, where a bunch of indignant nobodies think if they whine loud enough they'll get their treat |
Kara Roideater
Perkone
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:53:00 -
[539] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Just so everyone knows, I'm not condoning what Mittani said but what I'm saying is that you can't prove the guy is suicidal at all.
What I'm REALLY trying to say is: Lol this thread
You miss the point entirely. The problem is precisely the reverse of your formulation - that a call went out to harass someone despite the fact that no-one could be really sure that he wasn't genuinely suicidal. In cases like that it seems pretty obvious that you should err on the side of caution because whatever the upside of mocking and griefing such a person is cannot possibly outweigh the possible downside that has not been rigorously excluded. Scam the guy - fine, it's eve. Mock the guy a bit to his face - a bit more questionable, but Goons will be Goons. Publicly call for people to harass him in the explicit context of his self-identification as suicidal, without making any real effort (because such would be impossible) to rule out the possibility that he really was? That's just childish self-gratification (which in itself is fine) gambling with the real life well-being of others (which is definitely not). To take that bet, whatever the odds, is reprehensible, not to say pointlessly dangerous. Unless you value your giggles that highly that you would be willing to actually risk someone's life for them? |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:54:00 -
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I'm gay. |
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