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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:55:00 -
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Rutherford Rainman wrote:I don't understand how this is taking so long to resolve what should be a simple issue.
Because what we see as simple may not actually be so. We have no idea what extra things a CSM or someone invited to speak at the event have to agree to. As such it could be alittle more complicated than we think.
Also there is the being stuck between arock and ahrd place at the moment. Temps are running a tad too high for them to make a decision that would not blow up one way or the other. It is better to look at it rationally as opposed to knee jerking to "public outcry" which makes for bad decision, game rule changes and yes even law. |

Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
325
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:55:00 -
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Kalathia Eginald wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is. Yes and no. As I have said there is no need for him to be publicly hanged, drawn and quarterd, they do however need to say they are looking into it and will come to a decison when they have finished. However what they do is none of our concern and our opinions on what should happen are irrelevant. People only have to know that if it is needed something will be done that is it. Justice only needs to be done it does not need to be seen to be done as then it becomes more about revenge than justice.
Quoting a specific part of my post, makes what I said in a whole irrelevent. Don't do that. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:58:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Xython wrote:You mean the scandal that didn't erupt until the fat ******** pubbies and LEETPVP alts realized that Mittani had, gasp, won again? He didnt do it until the end of fanfest you noob. How are we supposed to react before he sends harassment horde after a guy to kill him. Are you from the future? *sigh*
Have you actually seen the footage from friday, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon with everyone else? |

Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
325
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:58:00 -
[2524] - Quote
In short.. My post said.
You ******* People should be ashamed of yourself at the way your dealing with this. This coming from sober people. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:02:00 -
[2525] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Quoting a specific part of my post, makes what I said in a whole irrelevent. Don't do that.
Then I appologise for my actions.
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low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:06:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
The GOONS might not be the most popular group of players around so it comes to reason that you will see these post flying around attacking Mittani like this. I am not a fan either, but i will not stoop so low as the a certain group of players have on these forums. From most of the threads and post it seems majority of people are alts and Carebears. Carebears, as much as they complain about shyte that involves them, here it seems they are also the most vindictive and spitefull group of players I have ever seen, good job.
You guys are saying Mittani are doing the game alot of damage after his comments? Your actions right now is doing alot more damage than Mittani has in not allowing CCP to deal with it on their own. Stop your self imposed entitlement and let those that have the power to deal with it ,deal with it.
I am a paying member of this game and as that I have every right to post my opinions here. And If I do not want to be represented by a complete asshat I have every right to tell CCP that.
I disagree that discourse on the forums against what was a stupid act is somehow as demeaning to this game as what Mittens did. What comes around goes around and this time the Goons trolling bit them in the ass . All the Goon alts running interference for him won't change what happened. ~Deal with that~ |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:14:00 -
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Mittens, get drunk and make another public speech. You might as well just keep doing what you've been doing, since you cannot escape from this anyways. |

Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
325
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:14:00 -
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low26 wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
The GOONS might not be the most popular group of players around so it comes to reason that you will see these post flying around attacking Mittani like this. I am not a fan either, but i will not stoop so low as the a certain group of players have on these forums. From most of the threads and post it seems majority of people are alts and Carebears. Carebears, as much as they complain about shyte that involves them, here it seems they are also the most vindictive and spitefull group of players I have ever seen, good job.
You guys are saying Mittani are doing the game alot of damage after his comments? Your actions right now is doing alot more damage than Mittani has in not allowing CCP to deal with it on their own. Stop your self imposed entitlement and let those that have the power to deal with it ,deal with it.
I am a paying member of this game and as that I have every right to post my opinions here. And If I do not want to be represented by a complete asshat I have every right to tell CCP that. I disagree that discourse on the forums against what was a stupid act is somehow as demeaning to this game as what Mittens did. What comes around goes around and this time the Goons trolling bit them in the ass . All the Goon alts running interference for him won't change what happened. ~Deal with that~
I'm al for voicing my concerns if I have an issue. But people took it to far, now they are the proverbial MOB with torches and pitchforks. That's the issue I have. Any sensible arguement somebody might have will be drowned in a sea of hatred of those that only care about mob justice... (see what I did there?) I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:16:00 -
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As I stated earlier, CCP should suspend The Mittani, Pending the outcome of this investigation. And no CCP changing your titan nerf plans isn't going to sidetrack this issue. |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:18:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
Don't suppose you happen to have a tally sheet of all the goons who have attacked him since the quote do you? I imagine Mittens called them off when he because scared about losing his CSM position. But why don't you, like a good Goonie, lie about how you wouldn't have harassed him.......... Lie about why your aren't now. You know, cause it would be bad for Mittens. Please, by all means, continue the shameless lies. So, by your own admission no goon actually fulfilled this 'cyber bullying attack', which logically means that the attack never really took place. Or are we going by Minority Report standards? Also, I don't suppose you happen to have proof that I'm a goon do you, or is this just another error on your part?
Actually The Wiz reported that Goonies had set up in his system.
And your "logic" is wrong.
The threat was real and nobody here, especially you, shameless liar, believes Mittens and his goonies weren't going to grief this guy. That you backed off cause someone threatened you doesn't make you nice. Technically, it makes you cowards.
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:19:00 -
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As if nerfing titans has anything to do with Mittani encouraging thousands of people to mock a suicidal person. Mitten's damage control apology wont save him. |

Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:20:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote: what I said in a whole irrelevent.
You said it.
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:22:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote: He has more money saved up from his career than you will ever earn in your entire life, pre tax.
Proof or gtfo? Oh wait, you know nothing about my real life or earnings whatsoever, so that would be impossible. Derp. Youre right, I dont know anything about your real life earnings. I know mittens is set for life though, so your repeated burger flipping and future career comments are still incorrect and irrelevant.
So if Mittens is "set for life" I guess that makes the "10 billion ISK" a pathetic and meaningless as I said it was.
(Less than 200 hundred dollars) |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:22:00 -
[2534] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Actually The Wiz reported that Goonies had set up in his system.
Wis is an ICE MINER, the real miracle is that goons weren't already set up in his system. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
419
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:27:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying.
Which makes it harassment, which is serious ******* business (not that cyber bullying isn't). Its a criminal charge. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:28:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Actually The Wiz reported that Goonies had set up in his system. Wis is an ICE MINER, the real miracle is that goons weren't already set up in his system.
Shameless. Completely and totally shameless liars.
You Null Bears are such a waste of space in EvE.
All the shinies given to you. Free to wander around in your safe little Null Lair and make 10x what ordinary players make.
Yet you still whine that you can be War Dec'd by corporations one hundredth your size and griefed.
Whiny, but mean. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
419
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:30:00 -
[2537] - Quote
Xython wrote:You mean the scandal that didn't erupt until the fat ******** pubbies and LEETPVP alts realized that Mittani had, gasp, won again?
If you consider what mittens did "winning" you are losing at life. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:34:00 -
[2538] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:[If you consider what mittens did "winning" you are losing at life.
"won" refers to him winning the CSM chair by a landslide, which coincidentally (lol) is the main thing separating his idiotic joke and the days-late faux outrage. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
314
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:40:00 -
[2539] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:I'm al for voicing my concerns if I have an issue. But people took it to far, now they are the proverbial MOB with torches and pitchforks.
THE MOB RULES!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
420
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:41:00 -
[2540] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:[If you consider what mittens did "winning" you are losing at life. "won" refers to him winning the CSM chair by a landslide, which coincidentally (lol) is the main thing separating his idiotic joke and the days-late faux outrage.
Who was that guy that was voted Time magazine "Man of the Year" in 1938 again?
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:47:00 -
[2541] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:[If you consider what mittens did "winning" you are losing at life. "won" refers to him winning the CSM chair by a landslide, which coincidentally (lol) is the main thing separating his idiotic joke and the days-late faux outrage. Who was that guy that was voted Time magazine "Man of the Year" in 1938 again?
and that was totally serious and not sarcastic |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:50:00 -
[2542] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Who was that guy that was voted Time magazine "Man of the Year" in 1938 again?
You really could have just Godwin'd yourself early on and saved yourself the trouble. Why wait this long? |

Kosh Seere
Dissonance Corp BLACK-MARK
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:53:00 -
[2543] - Quote
You should all go kill yourself. |

Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:00:00 -
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Overseer Aliena wrote:It would be nice if we could get a real lawyer to talk about the cyber bully law rather than the hordes of internet lawyers who got their degree from wikipedia. Maybe we should ask a real lawyer, like Mittani or something.
laws depends on where you live/visit etc |

a newbie
tech-legion AAA Citizens
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:08:00 -
[2545] - Quote
To be honest, I would be hesitant to take such a stand for risk of making judgements without properly thinking about the situation. This is something that has been blown out of proportion but yes does not reflect the best of EVE players. However it reflects simply the reality.
I have seen plenty of "lovemails" from many pilots by other pilots and so on. To be blunt every game that exists has a high likelyhood that someone, at least one individual somewhere, views that game as their sole reason for living. I have seen a 48 year old say the same thing about UO when he had a beautiful 4 yr old daughter who loved him.
Yes he made the mistake in my opinion of stating the individuals name. Outside of that he made no direct statement to encourage him to commit suicide that I could hear in that entire alliance panel. I heard him state his eve character name, and said something to the effect of find him.
The rules of the game are simple, undock in any space, and you are a potential target. People play the game the way they want to, then send these evemails of anger, pain, plight, and all sorts of emo rage mails against the person who upset their reality.
The other problem exists that the player is only subjected to any possible 'attacks' by only means of logging into the game. He gave no personal identifying information of the person other than his characters name.
Also keep in mind The Mittani was elected by players to represent them and their play style. If you are in a PVP corp you know how many crymails or lovemails float about the eve universe and all sorts of crazy stories and pleads by the victims to give them something for their own neglegence.
I can also contest to the fact that if you are familiar with lovemail chains, those that continue over multiple replies, the victim will often result to saying an ever changing plethora of escalating reasons they should receive charity from the aggressors.
All the above doesn't excuse giving his name, but the "victim" in this case is only subjected to that he choses of his own volition.
So take the tone down a notch, keep the same request, but keep your dignity and dont sound like so many media personalities who cry havoc before all the facts are in.
******** EDIT BELOW **********
Maybe the Mittani should have informed CCP about the player who claimed suicidal thoughts.
The police would have heard about it through the chain of staff then their local police department, they would go and pick the guy/girl up and put them in as a section 13 (monitored hospice) and it would have been a much better TR0LL! |

Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:27:00 -
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Why does everyone hate Goonies? It's my all time favorite movie! Look one eyed willy, there goes mittens. You remember...you two were real close in college, all those frat parties...But seriously I hear ya mittens, no fat chicks! just chicks with diks!!! Personally I dont mind fat chicks, requires a little effort to get it in tho I'm sure some guys cant quite reach. Some guys prefer other guys thats cool bro I'm not racist. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
315
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:28:00 -
[2547] - Quote
a newbie wrote:To be honest, I would be hesitant to take such a stand for risk of making judgements without properly thinking about the situation. This is something that has been blown out of proportion but yes does not reflect the best of EVE players. However it reflects simply the reality.
I have seen plenty of "lovemails" from many pilots by other pilots and so on. To be blunt every game that exists has a high likelyhood that someone, at least one individual somewhere, views that game as their sole reason for living. I have seen a 48 year old say the same thing about UO when he had a beautiful 4 yr old daughter who loved him.
Yes he made the mistake in my opinion of stating the individuals name. Outside of that he made no direct statement to encourage him to commit suicide that I could hear in that entire alliance panel. I heard him state his eve character name, and said something to the effect of find him.
The rules of the game are simple, undock in any space, and you are a potential target. People play the game the way they want to, then send these evemails of anger, pain, plight, and all sorts of emo rage mails against the person who upset their reality.
The other problem exists that the player is only subjected to any possible 'attacks' by only means of logging into the game. He gave no personal identifying information of the person other than his characters name.
Also keep in mind The Mittani was elected by players to represent them and their play style. If you are in a PVP corp you know how many crymails or lovemails float about the eve universe and all sorts of crazy stories and pleads by the victims to give them something for their own neglegence.
I can also contest to the fact that if you are familiar with lovemail chains, those that continue over multiple replies, the victim will often result to saying an ever changing plethora of escalating reasons they should receive charity from the aggressors.
All the above doesn't excuse giving his name, but the "victim" in this case is only subjected to that he choses of his own volition.
So take the tone down a notch, keep the same request, but keep your dignity and dont sound like so many media personalities who cry havoc before all the facts are in.
******** EDIT BELOW **********
Maybe the Mittani should have informed CCP about the player who claimed suicidal thoughts.
The police would have heard about it through the chain of staff then their local police department, they would go and pick the guy/girl up and put them in as a section 13 (monitored hospice) and it would have been a much better TR0LL! In New York State it's called "941" admission to an ER for an emergency evaluation...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:31:00 -
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Mathias Hex wrote:Why does everyone hate Goonies? It's my all time favorite movie! Look one eyed willy, there goes mittens. You remember...you two were real close in college, all those frat parties...But seriously I hear ya mittens, no fat chicks! just chicks with diks!!! Personally I dont mind fat chicks, requires a little effort to get it in tho I'm sure some guys cant quite reach. Some guys prefer other guys thats cool bro I'm not racist.
I would like to apologize for that Ive been running it threw my head all weekend. I am truly sorry for anyone I might have offended. What else do you want me to say? I'm genuinely sory I will never take a booster again for as long as I live! I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:35:00 -
[2549] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with. GÇ£Incidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.GÇ¥This is the part that is mysteriously skipping on the YT vid. then GÇ£ItGÇÖs pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel GÇô it always has been, if youGÇÖve been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.GÇ¥http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/ If he had actually said something along the lines of "Go spam this guy until he commits suicide, here is his address and real life name, I command you all to harrass this man" then I would agree with you guys completely. But he didnt. He said "IF you do want to make that guy kill himself..." There is a world of difference between telling a room full of people to go harrass someone, and providing the name of a guy to another dude who was asking for the name. Just saying. Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead.
Nobody's dead you shitbeard. |

Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:45:00 -
[2550] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying. Which makes it harassment, which is serious ******* business (not that cyber bullying isn't). Its a criminal charge.
It's not even cyber harassment considering it occurred within the confines of a leisure activity under an role-playing identity and did not infringe on his privacy or encroach his private space.
Also, this is a middle-age person we are talking about not a child at school or even an adult in a professional environment. If you think this is in anyway an actual crime you desperately need to gain some perspective. |
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