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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
266
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Of course, it's that or Mittens made a godawful joke that nobody listening took seriously until some publord who fell asleep halfway through reading a Cliff's Notes of The Prince decided to use this to get Mittens removed from either the CSM or from the game entirely.
That's just silly though because GOONIES Of course, if goons (as a group) didn't work so hard to establish and maintain a "less than savory" reputation this wouldn't be nearly as big. Ice Interdiction may have helped too... FWIW - I believe him when (alex) apologizes. "The Mittani" would never apologize... I think that is the distinction people are failing to make. vOv
Would The Mittani ever give 6 bill to a miner out of his personal wallet? Or was that Alex? People are failing to make the distinction because HE has failed to make the distinction on forums, podcasts, and now on a live feed at Fanfest. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
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Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani.
You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
311
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with.
GǣIncidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.Gǥ
This is the part that is mysteriously skipping on the YT vid.
then
GÇ£ItGÇÖs pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel GÇô it always has been, if youGÇÖve been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.GÇ¥
http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
311
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:28:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani. You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you.
None of us are being hostile.
Asking for a public person to step down from the CSM is not hostile. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:29:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with. GÇ£Incidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.GÇ¥This is the part that is mysteriously skipping on the YT vid. then GÇ£ItGÇÖs pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel GÇô it always has been, if youGÇÖve been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.GÇ¥http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/
If he had actually said something along the lines of "Go spam this guy until he commits suicide, here is his address and real life name, I command you all to harrass this man" then I would agree with you guys completely. But he didnt. He said "IF you do want to make that guy kill himself..." There is a world of difference between telling a room full of people to go harrass someone, and providing the name of a guy to another dude who was asking for the name. Just saying. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
266
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:29:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote: He has more money saved up from his career than you will ever earn in your entire life, pre tax.
Proof or gtfo?
Oh wait, you know nothing about my real life or earnings whatsoever, so that would be impossible. Derp. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani. You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you. None of us are being hostile. Asking for a public person to step down from the CSM is not hostile. Some of the posts on here are pretty hostile... maybe not those made by you, but by the 'crucify mittens' crowd. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani. You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you. None of us are being hostile. Asking for a public person to step down from the CSM is not hostile. CCP's best option to save themselves one hell of a PR nightmare would be to ask Mittens to resign from the CSM in it's entirety. He's got to go, there is no way around it. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:31:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote: He has more money saved up from his career than you will ever earn in your entire life, pre tax.
Proof or gtfo? Oh wait, you know nothing about my real life or earnings whatsoever, so that would be impossible. Derp. Youre right, I dont know anything about your real life earnings. I know mittens is set for life though, so your repeated burger flipping and future career comments are still incorrect and irrelevant. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
311
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:31:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani. You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you. None of us are being hostile. Asking for a public person to step down from the CSM is not hostile. Some of the posts on here are pretty hostile... maybe not those made by you, but by the 'crucify mittens' crowd.
So cut the generalizations crap out. And name names if thats the case.
Not asking much here.
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Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
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Kallynda Nai wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not.
The simple fact is, this video will be tied in to google searches of Alex's name forever. If you were a technically savvy employer, would YOU hire this guy after seeing the video? A law firm will never hire him, except maybe out of pity to clean the toilets in the executive bathroom because they knew his dad once. He's retired, you halfwit.
Retirement suggests having worked a majority of your life. NOT to be confused with oh well **** it my dads rich I dont have to work... Dont know the guy and couldnt care less but I'm pretty sure he hasnt worked 50+ years. How old is he btw I didnt have the HD stream but he didnt look quite 65 I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
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trexinatux wrote:I wonder if CCP is mulling over the idea of cancelling the CSM as a whole or not. I'm sure they wouldn't want a scandal like this to hit them from some other random CSM member in the future. We live in interesting times.
No way the CSM would be cancelled. The group itself is a functioning medium. What would be expected is that in any NDA or contract agreements will be a clause regarding public behavior regarding eve related matters, if it isn't there already.
As for RougeOperator and the youtube vid. It wasn't skipping yesterday at that point, though the vid steadily was choppy on the one I watched. Might be the site sensoring, or who knows. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
311
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:33:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with. GÇ£Incidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.GÇ¥This is the part that is mysteriously skipping on the YT vid. then GÇ£ItGÇÖs pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel GÇô it always has been, if youGÇÖve been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.GÇ¥http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/ If he had actually said something along the lines of "Go spam this guy until he commits suicide, here is his address and real life name, I command you all to harrass this man" then I would agree with you guys completely. But he didnt. He said "IF you do want to make that guy kill himself..." There is a world of difference between telling a room full of people to go harrass someone, and providing the name of a guy to another dude who was asking for the name. Just saying.
Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead. |
Overseer Aliena
Lord of Wars
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:33:00 -
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It would be nice if we could get a real lawyer to talk about the cyber bully law rather than the hordes of internet lawyers who got their degree from wikipedia. Maybe we should ask a real lawyer, like Mittani or something. |
Jita Alt666
962
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:33:00 -
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Keep posting guys. This thread is catching the WIS thread with superfluous ease. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:36:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Keep posting guys. This thread is catching the WIS thread with superfluous ease. This thread is embarrassingly slow - lord mittens apology is already a dozen pages longer. |
Jita Alt666
963
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:38:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Keep posting guys. This thread is catching the WIS thread with superfluous ease. This thread is embarrassingly slow - lord mittens apology is already a dozen pages longer.
That is a demonstration of the pulling power of mittens. I'd rather post in a mittens thread than a random NPC alt thread...
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Keep posting guys. This thread is catching the WIS thread with superfluous ease. This thread is embarrassingly slow - lord mittens apology is already a dozen pages longer. That is a demonstration of the pulling power of mittens. I'd rather post in a mittens thread than a random NPC alt thread... Agreed.
^ this post has more content than most of the 'burn mittens' bandwagon posts. |
Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:43:00 -
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Nothing can save him from being banned, just read this article and you'll see why. Before he apologized he wrote "deal with it". He did not stop digging even after the scandal. He is totally arrogant and condescending about the whole issue.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/ |
Dismas Ofstedal
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:44:00 -
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Norian Lonark wrote:Having watched the video (didn't watch it at the time but with all these comments decided to watch it) I personally feel like the comments and impact are being blown out of proportion.
I think most people who have ever experienced depression or known someone who suffers depression know that other peoples comments don't really make any difference, positive or negative that is what makes it so hard for families and friends because they are powerless to help. The individual has to work it out for themselves.
This is a game and if your getting that worked up about it, its not really fair to hold someone else responsible for it. If I lose a ship or blow someone else's ship up playing a game and they get upset about it should I expect to become responsible for the life of that person in RL?
If someone is feeling that bad in RL they need to take responsibility and go and seek professional help for their own well-being, their family and their friends you cant blame people who you have never met playing an internet spaceship game.
Finally found a post with something to say.
IF, and I repeat, IF Wis is that caught up with depression to the point that he would express suicidal thoughts in public, he should immediately stop playing a heartless, hard knocks game, and seek professional help.
If he's just trolling, then he needs to STFU. There are many other people struggling with RL issues that don't whine about it. |
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Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
324
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:47:00 -
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There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
The GOONS might not be the most popular group of players around so it comes to reason that you will see these post flying around attacking Mittani like this. I am not a fan either, but i will not stoop so low as the a certain group of players have on these forums. From most of the threads and post it seems majority of people are alts and Carebears. Carebears, as much as they complain about shyte that involves them, here it seems they are also the most vindictive and spitefull group of players I have ever seen, good job.
You guys are saying Mittani are doing the game alot of damage after his comments? Your actions right now is doing alot more damage than Mittani has in not allowing CCP to deal with it on their own. Stop your self imposed entitlement and let those that have the power to deal with it ,deal with it.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |
Trask II
Hard Knocks Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:48:00 -
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Quote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior...
Also, by that definition, Mittens is not guilty of bullying. Idiots like you make it sound like he was convoing this guy all day, posting on his facebook, etc, encouraging him to commit suicide. Making one offhand comment, no matter how offensive you might find it, is not cyberbullying, or any other kind of bullying. Blowing peoples' **** up in Eve is not bullying, no matter how much or how often you do it. You don't like it, go play something else.
Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves and everyone else, for no reason aside from whipping up an ignorant mob to cry for Mittani to be punished, and probably only because they hate him and the Goons. I wouldn't **** on people like that if they were on fire. I can't believe he even felt it necessary to make an apology. You people don't deserve an apology from anyone but your parents and God, for your fail DNA. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:48:00 -
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You mean the scandal that didn't erupt until the fat ******** pubbies and LEETPVP alts realized that Mittani had, gasp, won again? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:49:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
The GOONS might not be the most popular group of players around so it comes to reason that you will see these post flying around attacking Mittani like this. I am not a fan either, but i will not stoop so low as the a certain group of players have on these forums. From most of the threads and post it seems majority of people are alts and Carebears. Carebears, as much as they complain about shyte that involves them, here it seems they are also the most vindictive and spitefull group of players I have ever seen, good job.
You guys are saying Mittani are doing the game alot of damage after his comments? Your actions right now is doing alot more damage than Mittani has in not allowing CCP to deal with it on their own. Stop your self imposed entitlement and let those that have the power to deal with it ,deal with it.
Amen to that. |
Rutherford Rainman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:50:00 -
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I don't understand how this is taking so long to resolve what should be a simple issue. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:51:00 -
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Dismas Ofstedal wrote:Norian Lonark wrote:Having watched the video (didn't watch it at the time but with all these comments decided to watch it) I personally feel like the comments and impact are being blown out of proportion.
I think most people who have ever experienced depression or known someone who suffers depression know that other peoples comments don't really make any difference, positive or negative that is what makes it so hard for families and friends because they are powerless to help. The individual has to work it out for themselves.
This is a game and if your getting that worked up about it, its not really fair to hold someone else responsible for it. If I lose a ship or blow someone else's ship up playing a game and they get upset about it should I expect to become responsible for the life of that person in RL?
If someone is feeling that bad in RL they need to take responsibility and go and seek professional help for their own well-being, their family and their friends you cant blame people who you have never met playing an internet spaceship game. Finally found a post with something to say. IF, and I repeat, IF Wis is that caught up with depression to the point that he would express suicidal thoughts in public, he should immediately stop playing a heartless, hard knocks game, and seek professional help. If he's just trolling, then he needs to STFU. There are many other people struggling with RL issues that don't whine about it. Amen to this too. Having been in a fairly similar situation to what Wis claims to be going through a few years ago, I am extremely cynical when it comes to his claims of 'depression' and 'suicidal thoughts'. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
312
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:52:00 -
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Xython wrote:You mean the scandal that didn't erupt until the fat ******** pubbies and LEETPVP alts realized that Mittani had, gasp, won again?
He didnt do it until the end of fanfest you noob.
How are we supposed to react before he sends harassment horde after a guy to kill him.
Are you from the future? |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:52:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
Yes and no.
As I have said there is no need for him to be publicly hanged, drawn and quarterd, they do however need to say they are looking into it and will come to a decison when they have finished.
However what they do is none of our concern and our opinions on what should happen are irrelevant. People only have to know that if it is needed something will be done that is it. Justice only needs to be done it does not need to be seen to be done as then it becomes more about revenge than justice. |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:53:00 -
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Karadion wrote:For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day.
sociopath: a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Any questions? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:53:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:He didnt do it until the end of fanfest you noob.
How are we supposed to react before he sends harassment horde after a guy to kill him.
Are you from the future?
The alliance presentation (where he said DOSE MEAN THINGS!!!) was on Friday Election results Saturday Dramabomb about this all Sunday/Monday
DERP DERP DERP I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M ACTUALLY USPET ABOUT ANYMORE MITTANI MUST GO |
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