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AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.20 02:58:00 - [331] Edited by: AkRoYeR on 20/11/2008 03:00:33 Originally by: Po3tank i so stoned,you are so awsome i wish i could solo a pirate pod like you! Tank, you have no room to talk, all you do is hunt down mining ships anyway! And when competition does show up, you get your pirate buddies to come help you out.
Togg Bott Minmatar 801	Posted - 2008.11.20 02:58:00 - [332] even though i actually have a positive sec status... +0.6 iirc. i would LOVE to see this happen. i wouldnt have to go through 10-15 gate camps looking for a fight with someone who is not afraid to fight.. and having concord there to keep his buddies from blobbing me would be sweet as hell. sign me up NOW
Tatianna	Posted - 2008.11.20 03:22:00 - [333] Is this for real, pirates whining about being pirates?
Kirgan Caldari Pyrognome	Posted - 2008.11.20 04:07:00 - [334] Some of the best fights I have been involved in were with pirates in low sec, no smack or stupidity just a good fight had by all. Because of those experiences I would welcome the same in High sec, let the pirates in. Everyone seems to have issues with getting high sec players into low and null, this could help bridge that gap providing the opportunity some would normally not get. Though drop the beacon idea, seems a bit extreme. The Op's proposal is reasonable and well presented, though CCP could care less about players comments, so it's likely to never happen. Quote: Congress members should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.20 10:10:00 - [335] Originally by: Omarvelous CONCORD COULD SHADOW YOU AND INSTA PWN AN OUTLAW FOR ANY CRIMNAL ACT IN 0.0 - ELIMINATING Outlaw suicide ganks in high sec. There - I repeated it often enough - I am NOT looking to boost suicide ganks for outlaws. False: Concord can't block a alpha strike from a gun ship. Blocking outlaws fast enough to make impossible for them to suicide gank will simply make impossible to suicide gank for any players. So your idea will either: help suicide ganking allowing people to do if forever in high sec without problems from Concord before the attempt or make it impossible for all the players. both options are unacceptable.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.11.20 10:15:00 - [336] Originally by: Venkul Mul So your idea will either: help suicide ganking allowing people to do if forever in high sec without problems from Concord before the attempt or make it impossible for all the players. both options are unacceptable. Oooh, I didn't even think of that, NOW I really understand why the OP want to get into high sec, being able to suicide gank till all eternity with no repercussions (apart from the shiploss). Hahahahha.... no!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.20 10:23:00 - [337] Originally by: Emperor Salazar You and many others seem to be suffering under the delusion that there are no pvpers in high sec; that they are all in either low or null sec. Any experienced player would be able to tell you that this is far from the truth. We are not suffering of the delusion where every ship in high sec is a combat ship with a full PvP set up ready. Let's even suppose that Concord will istapop the pirate as soon as I fire, so he will get only 1 volley. Care to hypothesize how many more shuttle and pod kill we will get every day? For the cost of a insured T1 frigate (so practically 0) a pirate will be adding 1 killmail every 20 minutes or so. You doubt that they would not do that?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.20 10:32:00 - [338] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Space Wanderer You guys can't see this guy agenda? He clearly aims at suicide ganking in empire without the hassle of having to rebuild his standing. EPIC FAIL. Read my posts about having Concord shadow an Outlaw and insta destrpy them if they commit a crime. Do YOU fly AFK untanked ship hauling billions? No? Then come up with something else to mask your fears. Care to look the number of people that say they have got good BPO from shuttles? Your pirate in high sec will pilot a frigate and one volley any shuttle he see. Even if only 1 in 100 would drop something decent (no need for a BPO, even 10 m3 of salvage are sufficient) he will be ahead and at the same time he will be enjoying all the killmails he will get.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.20 10:35:00 - [339] Originally by: Tzar'rim Originally by: Venkul Mul So your idea will either: help suicide ganking allowing people to do if forever in high sec without problems from Concord before the attempt or make it impossible for all the players. both options are unacceptable. Oooh, I didn't even think of that, NOW I really understand why the OP want to get into high sec, being able to suicide gank till all eternity with no repercussions (apart from the shiploss). Hahahahha.... no! The only repercussion from suicide ganking is that after getting to -5 you are not allowed in high sec. OP idea will remove that. Care to point out another repercussion? Being a valid target for other players is not one as most suicide gankers keep outside the gate grid, ready to warp wen a potential target appear.
Fennicus Amarr Shoot To Thrill	Posted - 2008.11.20 11:00:00 - [340] I support this idea and would like to join your newsletter, if and only if you are also prevented from docking at stations. The same holds for the NPC pirates, no? It would just be ludicrous if it were any other way. :)
Cadela Fria Amarr x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.20 11:07:00 - [341] You do the crime you do the time, simple as that. I've been -10 blinky, and I spent months getting back up so I could enter highsec again. This seemed and still seems fair to me. The argument "it's annoying that we can't get around without using carriers etc etc" is pathetic. If you want highsec access, put in the miniscule effort to get it..I pirated for a long time after my -10 time, and did so by the simple formula of: pirate, get sec status back up, pirate, sec status back up and so on.
Kia Corallis	Posted - 2008.11.20 11:40:00 - [342] Sorry but it needs to be said, no no no, explain instead why you have your nice 'Industrial alt', you want more fights? go attack another pirate, they enjoy that. you want to come to high sec then you have your 'alt' for it, pirates destroy, carebears build, in your nice low sec area with nobody building it soon stagnates where there is nobody to fight and no killmails coming, so why should you be allowed back into pastures green without working for it? If we work hard to try to break into low sec being podded by uber PvP pilot then you can do the same or ?
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.11.20 12:09:00 - [343] really op, you should just give up. All you want is the freedom to roam highsec as much as you want to get from A to B quicker or to pursue wartargets. You know full well that 99% of the people in highsec aren't going to attack a red blinker even if they are allowed to and have a huge advantage. They don't know how. All they care about is not losing ships and mods, and the best way to do that is not engage. the issue of rats being allowed in highsec is a non-starter. it's just a dumb gameplay fudge to allow people to run missions. it's got nothing to do with you. you keep hysterically listing all these so-called advantages you are giving away but you know full well they don't matter, cos as I said above, 99% of people in highsec just don't want to get involved. On the odd occasion you did find yourself confronted by a gang of anti-pirates in high sec you would just logoffski or dock up. with all those new rules against you there's no way you would ever fight. it really is incredibly sad that you have made low sec so hostile that you have nobody to shoot except other 'pirates', and you won't do that because gasp you might lose. tl;dr.... it's not gonna happen.
Caesar Khan	Posted - 2008.11.20 12:58:00 - [344] I have to kinda agree with OP here. As the game is now the trade as a bounty hunter is utterly useless. If the OP`s idea was included it would actually open up for alot of bounty hunter corp`s that could roam the empire looking for these pirates who was flashing red. They would be a new concorde wich killed "non aggro" pirates on sight.By "non aggro" i ofcourse mean that they havent fired at anyone yet. I think the idea is ok since,as OP says,it just benefit those who wants a free fight and collect a good bounty in high sec. This idea actually makes being a bounty hunter possible to the extent it was ment to be. So,i agree with OP
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.20 15:25:00 - [345] Originally by: Togg Bott even though i actually have a positive sec status... +0.6 iirc. i would LOVE to see this happen. i wouldnt have to go through 10-15 gate camps looking for a fight with someone who is not afraid to fight.. and having concord there to keep his buddies from blobbing me would be sweet as hell. sign me up NOW See - you get it - and ofc I would love to fight other outlaws in high sec with the threat of the party being crashed horribly by high sec characters. The chaos would be sweet! Originally by: Tatianna Is this for real, pirates whining about being pirates? Way to make yourself look like an idiot - this isn't a whine its a suggestion to enhance combat throughout Eve. Go back to your bridge. Originally by: Kirgan Everyone seems to have issues with getting high sec players into low and null, this could help bridge that gap providing the opportunity some would normally not get. Though drop the beacon idea, seems a bit extreme. The Op's proposal is reasonable and well presented, though CCP could care less about players comments, so it's likely to never happen. Great sig Exactly I want this to be a sort of a bridge betwen systems. I've ideas for adjusting low sec as well - but I'll start up another thread on that later. Originally by: Venkul Mul False: Concord can't block a alpha strike from a gun ship. The only ships that have to worry about an alpha strike from a high sec outlaw are AFK untanked ships. These ships currently have just as much to worry about being suicide ganked by non outlaws today. You deserve to lose your billions if you're stupid enough to AFK fly an untanked ship. Outlaws in highsec won't change that reality. Originally by: Tzar'rim Oooh, I didn't even think of that, NOW I really understand why the OP want to get into high sec, being able to suicide gank till all eternity with no repercussions (apart from the shiploss). Hahahahha.... no! Your intelligence seems to be dropping with every post you're making in this thread. You have NOT read what I've said abotu adjusting Concord towards Outlaws. - Outlaws would be shadowed by Concord ships the second they enter high sec. - The second they fire they would be insta popped by concord. - That leaves only ships weak enough to be alpha striked, vulnerable to suicide ganks. If you have billions - fit it in a properly tanked ship - and DON'T AFK fly. It takes time and coordination to coordinate a proper suicide gank with current mechanics - with mine the logistics would be impossible (assemble enough ships to alpha the target - AND make sure you're still coming out ahead cost wise since insurance won't cover your loss.) Originally by: Venkul Mul Care to hypothesize how many more shuttle and pod kill we will get every day? For the cost of a insured T1 frigate (so practically 0) a pirate will be adding 1 killmail every 20 minutes or so. You doubt that they would not do that? A non-AFK shuttle/frigate/pod is next to impossible to catch and kill in empire (no bubbles). The only thing that can is a smart bombing battleship. So let me get this straight, you think a pirate that is a valid target to ANYONE in Eve is going to sit his Battleship near a stargate to insta pop/pod kill pilots. Assuming NO one blobs him and removes him - he's willing to get concorded - and loses 80-100 mil (no insurance) just to get a shuttle/T1 ship/pod? You're saying hes going to do this every 20 minutes?! How paranoid are you?!?!?! cont... * your signature file is too wide. Please note that we allow images no larger than 400x120 at 24,000 kb. - Fallout
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.20 15:28:00 - [346] Originally by: Venkul Mul Then come up with something else to mask your fears. Care to look the number of people that say they have got good BPO from shuttles? Your pirate in high sec will pilot a frigate and one volley any shuttle he see. Even if only 1 in 100 would drop something decent (no need for a BPO, even 10 m3 of salvage are sufficient) he will be ahead and at the same time he will be enjoying all the killmails he will get. Only smartbombs on a battleship (range and firepower are the issue - remember you can't be within 5km of stargates/statinos with smartbombs) will catch a piloted shuttle/T1 frigate. Unless you're hacking and know what every ship is carrying, you're not going to waste 100 mil isk every 20 minutes pumping out KMs. It happens in low sec because there is no concord there - you can just farm the gate provided no one else is willing to remove you. * your signature file is too wide. Please note that we allow images no larger than 400x120 at 24,000 kb. - Fallout
Slinkus Gallentus Gallente Infinite Order	Posted - 2008.11.20 15:33:00 - [347] Edited by: Slinkus Gallentus on 20/11/2008 15:33:45 Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Furb Killer No Your choice to be a pirate, accept the consequences. I don't think I said I don't accept the consequences. Then you have no reason to post. If you accept the consequences then you really have nothing to say. Quote: I'm trying to add more variety to the game. No, you're trying to pick up cheap stuff from empire rather than paying lo-sec or 0.0 prices. You chose your game style. Live with it. cheers "Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up"
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.20 15:45:00 - [348] Edited by: Omarvelous on 20/11/2008 15:45:39 Originally by: Kia Corallis So why should you be allowed back into pastures green without working for it? If we work hard to try to break into low sec being podded by uber PvP pilot then you can do the same or ? Here's the problem. I 'DO THE TIME!!111eleventy!!1one' as everyone is so found of saying by ratting my sec status up. I'm no longer an outlaw. I can enter high sec. No one can legally shoot me anymore. No fights. ZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzz Originally by: Tiirae really op, you should just give up. tl;dr.... it's not gonna happen. I don't take suggestions from weak-minded people like you. You fear the possibilities of great fun in high sec. If you don't want to participate you don't have to - an outlaw in high sec won't initiate a damn thing with your carebear character. Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus No, you're trying to pick up cheap stuff from empire rather than paying lo-sec or 0.0 prices. You chose your game style. Live with it. You are DENSE. Read my posts on why I would NEVER shop for anything with an outlaw in high sec at a hub. Being kill on sight means my industrial high sec alt will continue to get me goods from high sec consequence free. You guys are showing how little pvp you have done and how little you know about game mechanics with stupid posts like this. * your signature file is too wide. Please note that we allow images no larger than 400x120 at 24,000 kb. - Fallout
faxtarious Minmatar Celestial Ascension	Posted - 2008.11.20 15:48:00 - [349] Originally by: Zytrel I've been having the same thought for some time now. :) It would actually allow players to police highsec themselves with close to zero risk. But I doubt that the "OMG, accept the consequences"-brigade will ever be able to see the bigger picture, and instead keep yelling at you. :) lol for a sec there I tough that eve was loaded with conservative carebears. I totaly agree with the idea
Slinkus Gallentus Gallente Infinite Order	Posted - 2008.11.20 15:58:00 - [350] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus No, you're trying to pick up cheap stuff from empire rather than paying lo-sec or 0.0 prices. You chose your game style. Live with it. You are DENSE. Read my posts on why I would NEVER shop for anything with an outlaw in high sec at a hub. Being kill on sight means my industrial high sec alt will continue to get me goods from high sec consequence free. You guys are showing how little pvp you have done and how little you know about game mechanics with stupid posts like this. Oooh tetchy. I read your whine yes. Who said you need to goto a hub? There are plenty of places you can buy cheaper than 0.0 ie. anywhere in Empire. You chose your game style. Live with it. cheers "Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up"
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.20 16:17:00 - [351] Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus Oooh tetchy. I read your whine yes. Who said you need to goto a hub? There are plenty of places you can buy cheaper than 0.0 ie. anywhere in Empire. You chose your game style. Live with it. I'm sorry I didn't realize you are unable to comprehend the difference between a suggestion and a whine. I'm not saying - Crap! I cant get back into high sec!! This sucks!!! Now I have to rat my way back in!!!! I'm saying - I want more fights across eve! I COULD rat my sec status up and get back into high sec - but then no one would be allowed to shoot me. Why would I want that? Allow me into high sec and fight on YOUR terms. I enjoy my playstyle and the challenges it provides - I wish to be able to enjoy the outlaw playstyle all over eve. If you don't want to fight me in high sec you don't have to and you can keep on enjoying Eve the way you want to. Cheers. * your signature file is too wide. Please note that we allow images no larger than 400x120 at 24,000 kb. - Fallout
Slinkus Gallentus Gallente Infinite Order	Posted - 2008.11.20 16:25:00 - [352] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus Oooh tetchy. I read your whine yes. Who said you need to goto a hub? There are plenty of places you can buy cheaper than 0.0 ie. anywhere in Empire. You chose your game style. Live with it. I'm sorry I didn't realize you are unable to comprehend the difference between a suggestion and a whine. I'm not saying - Crap! I cant get back into high sec!! This sucks!!! Now I have to rat my way back in!!!! I'm saying - I want more fights across eve! I COULD rat my sec status up and get back into high sec - but then no one would be allowed to shoot me. Why would I want that? Allow me into high sec and fight on YOUR terms. I enjoy my playstyle and the challenges it provides - I wish to be able to enjoy the outlaw playstyle all over eve. If you don't want to fight me in high sec you don't have to and you can keep on enjoying Eve the way you want to. Cheers. I'm sorry you are unable to start a reply without a personal attack. Maybe you should buy a copy of Dale Carnegie's classic book. I read your "point" and it's bogus. Hence why I called it a whine. If people want to have PvP then they know where to go - low sec or 0.0. The reason you want access to hi-sec empire is to take advantage of the better prices. When you lose your t2 ganker ship in a battle it costs you a lot more to replace it in 0.0 then in Empire. Your whine is fooling no-one. cheers "Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up"
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.20 16:28:00 - [353] Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus I read your "point" and it's bogus. Hence why I called it a whine. If people want to have PvP then they know where to go - low sec or 0.0. The reason you want access to hi-sec empire is to take advantage of the better prices. When you lose your t2 ganker ship in a battle it costs you a lot more to replace it in 0.0 then in Empire. Your whine is fooling no-one. I have a high-sec industrial hauler alt capable of getting AND making all the T2 ships and gear I need. So does any respectable pirate corp in Eve. I have 0 need to access high sec markets with this outlaw character directly.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.20 16:33:00 - [354] i like the idea myself, i mean yeah your an outlaw like everyone is saying no, u made your choice 2, but its alot worse for a pirate to be able to be shot by everyone in eve lol, not like they can attack first! so why not :)
Thudin	Posted - 2008.11.20 18:50:00 - [355] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus I read your "point" and it's bogus. Hence why I called it a whine. If people want to have PvP then they know where to go - low sec or 0.0. The reason you want access to hi-sec empire is to take advantage of the better prices. When you lose your t2 ganker ship in a battle it costs you a lot more to replace it in 0.0 then in Empire. Your whine is fooling no-one. I have a high-sec industrial hauler alt capable of getting AND making all the T2 ships and gear I need. So does any respectable pirate corp in Eve. I have 0 need to access high sec markets with this outlaw character directly. This! Best post ever!
Jazzebella	Posted - 2008.11.20 19:22:00 - [356] Quote: 1st paragraph - explain why NPC rats in high sec exist then. Faction's at War with one another, and they don't pod you so they never lose sec right? Navy fights hence all the missions to kill those factions from the agents. Quote: 2nd paragraph - How the hell do skills relate to being able to fly in a particular location?!?!? Your argument here would make sense if I was whining that I can't compete with an industrialist in making Ravens because I don't have a Hulk, I don't perfect refine skills, and I don't have perfect production efficiency, etc. You want to be given something instead of working/investing the time for it. Wanting the skills for something but not wanting to put in the time to get them.
Slinkus Gallentus Gallente Infinite Order	Posted - 2008.11.20 19:30:00 - [357] Originally by: Omarvelous I have a high-sec industrial hauler alt capable of getting AND making all the T2 ships and gear I need. So does any respectable pirate corp in Eve. I have 0 need to access high sec markets with this outlaw character directly. Ah so it must be the second reason then. You want to fly into hi-sec and look like a legitimate target. Then if someone does attack you can gang gank them. You want more opportunity to grief in hi-sec is all. cheers "Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up"
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.20 19:44:00 - [358] Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus Ah so it must be the second reason then. You want to fly into hi-sec and look like a legitimate target. Then if someone does attack you can gang gank them. You want more opportunity to grief in hi-sec is all. You seriously need to learn game mechanics. This is NOT possible at all with current game mechanics. If you attack an outlaw you are flagged to HIM and HIM alone. Not his corpmates. If his corpmates shot at you - they would get GCC (concorded in high sec). If his corpmates remote repaired him - they would get GCC. If his corpmates tried to jam you - they would get GCC. On the other hand. You, your friend - your friend's friend, even your enemies could show up. And start firing on the outlaw at any time or moment. If you're going to comment on pvp mechanics - make sure you actually know what you're talking about. * your signature file is too wide. Please note that we allow images no larger than 400x120 at 24,000 kb. - Fallout
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.20 19:49:00 - [359] Originally by: Jazzebella Quote: 1st paragraph - explain why NPC rats in high sec exist then. Faction's at War with one another, and they don't pod you so they never lose sec right? Navy fights hence all the missions to kill those factions from the agents. Quote: 2nd paragraph - How the hell do skills relate to being able to fly in a particular location?!?!? Your argument here would make sense if I was whining that I can't compete with an industrialist in making Ravens because I don't have a Hulk, I don't perfect refine skills, and I don't have perfect production efficiency, etc. You want to be given something instead of working/investing the time for it. Wanting the skills for something but not wanting to put in the time to get them. Why do you get a security status boost for killing people 'at war' with the factions? Concord likes you more for killing someone - because they are OUTLAWS. This is why you don't get bounties - just tags when you kill faction rats (Thukker Tribe) and you get bounties and sec status for killing outlaw pirate rats (Guristas). Sorry to burst your analogy. As for my motives. I want to be able to have more combat around eve. In high sec - if you choose to have nothing to do with it - you STILL will have that option. Currently - I rat up, and I'm a vlid target to no one - so no fighting occurs in high sec outside of stupid can flips, and wars. * your signature file is too wide. Please note that we allow images no larger than 400x120 at 24,000 kb. - Fallout
Jazzebella	Posted - 2008.11.20 20:09:00 - [360] I really don't understand what he wants other then to pass through deserted high sec systems. He doesn't want to dock at stations to buy stuff alts can do that. He doesn't want assistance if attacked (no one in high sec PVPs unless they think they have a huge advantage). He doesn't want to go in any system with a decent number of people because he'll get killed pretty quickly so he won't risk anything more then a t1 frig or shuttle which is no difference from a pod except slower. Why not just use a pod? Did you want to hang out in the newbie areas and pop Ibis pilots or people afk in shuttles? Mine Veldspar? Whats the purpose? Trick people in attacking you? We have enough can flippers and we don't need you aswell. What you want to to essentially be blinky red in highsec. If you can't find PVP in low sec and 0.0 I don't know what to say. The purpose of High sec is to have a non PVP area. If the people in Highsec wanted to PVP you'd think they would come to low sec? Being Blinky red will not make people fight you. They will only fight you when they know you will lose.

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