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Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:05:00 - [31] Corp mates can assist you unless they completely change the system. When undocking you should have no issues warping before someone can kill you. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Omarvelous I don't need high sec shopping. I want MORE fights - even if all the game mechanics favor YOU! Well you shouldn't have over-fished you low sec pocket then. Move around, try a different area, it's not really that hard to get a fight in eve.
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Josef Odinssen No. Because: Gatecampers pretty much close the door to lowsec/nullsec for everything but the most skilled blockade runners. Most of them dont even ask you any questions they just shoot on sight, so its only fair when you come onto carebear turf you get pwned utterly by the concord campers in a way they are completely helpless to avoid/combat. its a taste of your own medicine. drink it like a man. Stop being thick headed. You should have scouted/escorted yourself into low sec. Fun fact - outlaws and pirates have the SAME exact dangers that you do when crossing low sec gates (ie we can get BBQ'd by other pirates). We don't even get gate suns to help us. Yet we use scouts and our heads to avoid this as much as possible. I'm not upset over police attacking me. I want MORE fights...Sheeesh...
Zytrel Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Lady Karma I'm still puzzled as to how you think that will benefit your gameplay. People that don't want to shoot you, wont shoot you. The only benefit would be that you can shop in high sec without the hassle of moving your BS back to low sec. The motive for your change seems to be your own laziness. You did admit you cba to sec up Laziness motive reinforced by Po3tank (and please tell me how you scramble a pod without using a dictor bubble, to get the bounty) Well, as a player with no sec rating issues, I still support the idea. Simply because I'd like to see players themselves handling the job the NPCs are doing for them atm. It might have been necessary back when the EVE universe was sparsely populated, but nowadays the only excuse for having NPCs protect highsec is the laziness of the real players.
mamolian Madhatters Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:06:00 - [35] Make a generous donation to the Concord Social Fund, and get your sec status improved! -----------
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:07:00 - [36] Got better stuff to do than scouting myself, not everyone got an alt or people who can scout for you. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Po3tank Amarr Basgerin Pirate	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:07:00 - [37] Quote: Make a generous donation to the Concord Social Fund, and get your sec status improved! /thread Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:08:00 - [38] Originally by: Furb Killer It would result mainly in noobs losing their ships because they shoot flashy reds. Next likely result is that when someone attacks the outlaw his friends from same corp jump in and kill you. And not being able to get stuff in high sec (too bad alts ruin this system, but it makes it at least a bit more work), is the entire point behind sec status. Do you know game mechanics? Outlaws cannot receive assistance without their friends getting concorded. You attack me - I'm on my own. if my friend jams you or reps me - concord destroys him. As for noobs - hmmm maybe they'll learn a lot more from that fight than they ever would in the security of high sec? This would increase fights! Why is that BAD?!
Josef Odinssen	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Josef Odinssen No. Because: Gatecampers pretty much close the door to lowsec/nullsec for everything but the most skilled blockade runners. Most of them dont even ask you any questions they just shoot on sight, so its only fair when you come onto carebear turf you get pwned utterly by the concord campers in a way they are completely helpless to avoid/combat. its a taste of your own medicine. drink it like a man. Stop being thick headed. You should have scouted/escorted yourself into low sec. Fun fact - outlaws and pirates have the SAME exact dangers that you do when crossing low sec gates (ie we can get BBQ'd by other pirates). We don't even get gate suns to help us. Yet we use scouts and our heads to avoid this as much as possible. I'm not upset over police attacking me. I want MORE fights...Sheeesh... well you know not everyone wants to run 2 accounts just to move about the galaxy. After all, If i need a second account to scout the lowsec gate, surely as a crim you should have a second "fixer" account to do your hisec work for you, thus negating your need to come into empire as a crim.
Po3tank Amarr Basgerin Pirate	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:09:00 - [40] becuse they want hello citty spaceship games Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: Omarvelous I don't need high sec shopping. I want MORE fights - even if all the game mechanics favor YOU! Well you shouldn't have over-fished you low sec pocket then. Move around, try a different area, it's not really that hard to get a fight in eve. I do - I already roam 20 jumps, head into different regions, etc. But I want more baby!
Julian Lynq	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:10:00 - [42] i see no need to change the current mechanic. there is a price you pay for certain carier decisions in eve. in your case, the price is a couple of days in sec status grinding. Which, while being pretty boring, really isnt that much of a burdon, and that many players before you had to go through aswell. in addition, there really is no applyable role-playing logic as to why faction police would not shoot outlaws. its their job, its what they are there for.
Terraform Gallente Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Furb Killer It would result mainly in noobs losing their ships because they shoot flashy reds. Next likely result is that when someone attacks the outlaw his friends from same corp jump in and kill you. And not being able to get stuff in high sec (too bad alts ruin this system, but it makes it at least a bit more work), is the entire point behind sec status. This.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:11:00 - [44] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Furb Killer It would result mainly in noobs losing their ships because they shoot flashy reds. Next likely result is that when someone attacks the outlaw his friends from same corp jump in and kill you. And not being able to get stuff in high sec (too bad alts ruin this system, but it makes it at least a bit more work), is the entire point behind sec status. Do you know game mechanics? Outlaws cannot receive assistance without their friends getting concorded. You attack me - I'm on my own. if my friend jams you or reps me - concord destroys him. As for noobs - hmmm maybe they'll learn a lot more from that fight than they ever would in the security of high sec? This would increase fights! Why is that BAD?! Probably true they cant get help, but how would noobs learn anything from seeing their ship disapear in seconds besides that they shouldnt attack reds? It is bad because you got to accept the consequences of your sec status, if you pirate, you cant enter high sec anymore, get over it. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Po3tank Amarr Basgerin Pirate	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:13:00 - [45] Quote: After all, If i need a second account to scout the lowsec gate, surely as a crim you should have a second "fixer" account to do your hisec work for you, thus negating your need to come into empire as a crim. just for refreance i only have 1 account but i have a alt for hauling.same account people!.... you dont need 2 accounts for scouting just get a friend to scout for you its a mmo or you can be balzy and charge threw like i do Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Josef Odinssen Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Josef Odinssen No. Because: Gatecampers pretty much close the door to lowsec/nullsec for everything but the most skilled blockade runners. Most of them dont even ask you any questions they just shoot on sight, so its only fair when you come onto carebear turf you get pwned utterly by the concord campers in a way they are completely helpless to avoid/combat. its a taste of your own medicine. drink it like a man. Stop being thick headed. You should have scouted/escorted yourself into low sec. Fun fact - outlaws and pirates have the SAME exact dangers that you do when crossing low sec gates (ie we can get BBQ'd by other pirates). We don't even get gate suns to help us. Yet we use scouts and our heads to avoid this as much as possible. I'm not upset over police attacking me. I want MORE fights...Sheeesh... well you know not everyone wants to run 2 accounts just to move about the galaxy. After all, If i need a second account to scout the lowsec gate, surely as a crim you should have a second "fixer" account to do your hisec work for you, thus negating your need to come into empire as a crim. Holy crap dude. Park your ship at a high sec station. Grab a shuttle - covops - blockade runner - recon. Go to low sec. Look around - no one at gate. Use your scanner (if you know how to use it). Hmm is it clear or not? If not - you saved yoru expensive ship. If its clear - hurry up and move! You just drastically cut yoru losses at low sec gate camps. I've done it myself countless times. Tip of the iceberg in escaping a low-sec gate camp.
Po3tank Amarr Basgerin Pirate	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:15:00 - [47] Quote: Probably true they cant get help, but how would noobs learn anything from seeing their ship disapear in seconds besides that they shouldnt attack reds? so what you would rather them come into my lowsec and get killed and learn that way??? might even give them a fobie of low sec space.. o wait they alrdy are scared... Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:15:00 - [48] That roughly increases your travel time by a factor 5 at least, it isnt realistic to do that at every gate --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Furb Killer Probably true they cant get help, but how would noobs learn anything from seeing their ship disapear in seconds besides that they shouldnt attack reds? It is bad because you got to accept the consequences of your sec status, if you pirate, you cant enter high sec anymore, get over it. You mean like: - Everyone has kill rights on me - so they can freely attack as they like? - Everyone can POD me without consequences? Get that juicy bounty without sec status concerns. - My corpmates can do absolutely NOTHING to help me? - If I commit a crime in high sec I get bbqed by Concord with no insurance. So again I'm dealing with the consequences already!
Gone'Postal Minmatar Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:19:00 - [50] The view of a Empire gutter rat -> them Ebil -10's are just killmail *****s, serve no goal and are out to ruin my playstyle. The view of a Ebil -10 -> Them stupid empire gutter rats, won't fight, they won't change nor will they ever move out of high-sec. These views are almost written in stone, it's like a tigers hunting rabbits, they can't mingle, can't live together nor can they "get along" Welcome to EvE. Fustration city is just around the bend. not sure why i wrote this, but what the hell! Boost SISI VOTE NOW!
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:19:00 - [51] Originally by: Furb Killer That roughly increases your travel time by a factor 5 at least, it isnt realistic to do that at every gate Look up travel fit. I move BS through low sec/hostile space by myself all the time. You can get by. No comparison to high sec and getting a 'dose of my own medicine'....
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:21:00 - [52] Edited by: Furb Killer on 18/11/2008 18:22:40 Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Furb Killer Probably true they cant get help, but how would noobs learn anything from seeing their ship disapear in seconds besides that they shouldnt attack reds? It is bad because you got to accept the consequences of your sec status, if you pirate, you cant enter high sec anymore, get over it. You mean like: - Everyone has kill rights on me - so they can freely attack as they like? - Everyone can POD me without consequences? Get that juicy bounty without sec status concerns. - My corpmates can do absolutely NOTHING to help me? - If I commit a crime in high sec I get bbqed by Concord with no insurance. So again I'm dealing with the consequences already! Now accept ALL the consequences, you cant move stuff in high sec, be happy you can go through high sec. And i dont use travel fit because i only go to low sec to shoot stuff --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Omarvelous Caldari Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:23:00 - [53] Originally by: Julian Lynq i see no need to change the current mechanic. there is a price you pay for certain carier decisions in eve. in your case, the price is a couple of days in sec status grinding. Which, while being pretty boring, really isnt that much of a burdon, and that many players before you had to go through aswell. in addition, there really is no applyable role-playing logic as to why faction police would not shoot outlaws. its their job, its what they are there for. I have no desire to increase my sec status. I can get by high sec just fine. I can get items and mods in high sec just fine. I'm not doing this to be able to TRAVEL in high sec - I want to get FIGHTS in high sec. I deal with the outlaw consequences already. My opponents can freely shoot me/pod me, my corpmates get GCC for helping me in anyway, I NEVER get sentry gun assistance... etc. You guys haven't given me 1 good reason why this shouldn't be implemented!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Furb Killer No Your choice to be a pirate, accept the consequences. I don't think I said I don't accept the consequences. I'm trying to add more variety to the game. Do you wet yourself a little when someone goes flashy on your overview? Why would you feel so threatened by this change when you'd still have your precious concord there to save you from unwanted aggression? Let's say it like this(thread winner inc); If we allow pirates to high-sec freely, does this mean that we can go to 0.0 and be "invurnerable" to attacks? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Julian Lynq	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Omarvelous You guys haven't given me 1 good reason why this shouldn't be implemented! what about this: Quote: in addition, there really is no applyable role-playing logic as to why faction police would not shoot outlaws. its their job, its what they are there for.
Kale Kold Caldari DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Omarvelous I don't see a good reason why this couldnt/shouldn't be implemented. If you we're a real pirate you should never want to go back to hisec, ever! We choose the life we lead because most pirates hate carebears. Why would we want to be amongst them? Let them come to us! Record of Destruction
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:32:00 - [57] I don't much see the utility in it, but I don't have any objections _____________________ My opinions plus a tablespoon of water may be substituted for your own.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Josef Odinssen No. Because: Gatecampers pretty much close the door to lowsec/nullsec for everything but the most skilled blockade runners. Most of them dont even ask you any questions they just shoot on sight, so its only fair when you come onto carebear turf you get pwned utterly by the concord campers in a way they are completely helpless to avoid/combat. its a taste of your own medicine. drink it like a man. Stop being thick headed. You should have scouted/escorted yourself into low sec. Fun fact - outlaws and pirates have the SAME exact dangers that you do when crossing low sec gates (ie we can get BBQ'd by other pirates). We don't even get gate suns to help us. Yet we use scouts and our heads to avoid this as much as possible. I'm not upset over police attacking me. I want MORE fights...Sheeesh... Mr. Odinssen was on the track, but his formulation was a bit wrong. The biggest inconvenience and the reason why the NPC police needs to hunt you down is to make logistics for your lawless character horrible. Of course you can use an alt for the minor shopping but ship purchases will always be an annoyance. Also, there are plenty of "dead end" low sec systems where a single 0.5 system is preventing the outlaw to pass between one low sec system to another. This is intentional. By having lawless characters movement limited to low sec space when they are a potential threat (in a ship) they are easier to track down and catch for those that wish to do so (in theory). ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Josef Odinssen	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:38:00 - [59] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Julian Lynq i see no need to change the current mechanic. there is a price you pay for certain carier decisions in eve. in your case, the price is a couple of days in sec status grinding. Which, while being pretty boring, really isnt that much of a burdon, and that many players before you had to go through aswell. in addition, there really is no applyable role-playing logic as to why faction police would not shoot outlaws. its their job, its what they are there for. I have no desire to increase my sec status. I can get by high sec just fine. I can get items and mods in high sec just fine. I'm not doing this to be able to TRAVEL in high sec - I want to get FIGHTS in high sec. I deal with the outlaw consequences already. My opponents can freely shoot me/pod me, my corpmates get GCC for helping me in anyway, I NEVER get sentry gun assistance... etc. You guys haven't given me 1 good reason why this shouldn't be implemented! 1 good reason: nullsec is for player driven politics and self government lowsec is for criminals to do WTF they like hisec is for law abiding citizens to wish to live under the rule of law. Everyone has their space to be happy. Your argument: I want my cake and to eat it. its not enough that i can get fights freely, without consequence in the entire of lowsec, and nullsec i now want to go and invade hisec where people stay because god forbid, they might want to do something other than fight that day (and you see enough nullsec players in empire going about their biz to prove its not just carebears) and fight them. Well im sure there is plenty of players in Empire who would love to go to Lowsec and farm the more valuable resources, trade routes, missions without fear of pirate ganking but they can't, because thats your turf, and you wants your cake and eats it.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:39:00 - [60] military experts are calling the OP a failure

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