1) Huh. Something odd has happened with these sites. I'll get back to you after I've talked to CCP Bettik about this.

2) The Sansha and Serpentis ones are actually correct, but the other three have the wrong values set. Good catch, I'll fix it as soon as I finish replying here

3) I don't know what's up with this one, sorry

Those shows look like something out of the Hunger Games

CCP Affinity,

What predictions do you think it will have on mineral prices?
There are a lot of minerals coming from drone regions to empire.
If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?
It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.

Pardon? Could you elaborate on this, this is news. Just normal metal scraps, or will there be various types of metal scraps?

This would actually not be a bad thing.

Nerfing the drone regions is pushing inflation in minerals found in addition to Zyde, Mega and Morphite in drone poo. What are you going to do about the shortage/rampant inflation of minerals found in high sec rocks?

Please also keep in mind that at 300m for a hulk and assuming a suicide gank every 10 hours of mining, the floor price of veld is 30m. Plugging this formula into a spreadsheet =30000000/60/((1600/33.3)*1000), gives a minimum trit price of around 10.0 for break even.

Something needs to give.

I was promised an answer from you on the metal scraps issue why are you discussing complexes :(

Our plan for this is basically to make the changes, see where prices end up settling and then potentially make further adjustments (to the game as a whole) to react to this.



Pulling all the Meta 0* loot out of PvE drops has been on our to-do list for a while, as it's damaging to both mining and T1 industry. With the changes to rogue drones going in, we're already committing to a mineral supply "shock" in this patch, so we decided when planning this release to roll in the Meta 0 removal at the same time so we only have to go through this process once. Due to the way that the loot tables are set up internally, it's *substantially* easier** to replace loot rather than remove it, so the solution we're going with for now is swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).


*Ie, vanilla T1 equipment - your Cap Recharger Is and 1MN Afterburner Is and so on

** We have a chance of picking from a given loot table, and then ratios for each type within the table. If we just removed the Meta 0 stuff, we'd end up dropping WAY more Meta 1-4, which isn't desirable, and the only way to resolve this is to alter the table pick rates, which are authored on a per-NPC basis, which would mean recalculating and adjusting every NPC in the game. This isn't really viable within the scope of this release, and we don't want to push this change back because it means doing a "double shock" to mineral prices; hence the metal scraps.

1) Excellent, the creeping subjective devaluing of assets was taking away one of the core principles that make eve great: Consequences.
2) The nerf is much milder than predicted, actually. If you ran incursions before because you liked to play that way, you're surely going to continue.
3) Until you actually see the bounties on the drones, you can't judge the effects of the new true sec. The only part about it that's definitely negative is the new isk faucet it opens.

Great changes overall, CCP.

he added 3 more deadspace sites, bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game

We want to wait and see how these changes pan out and then we will look at further changes if we feel it's necessary :)

This will drive the prices of ships up alot. The more miners that die in 0.0 space will make the matters worse as they will need to re-coup their losses.

Better dust off your Tech 1 cruisers cause you wont be able to afford much else for a while.

ROFL Stop the crying about cloaking ships you guys.. I can't swim well enough to live through the lakes you are creating. Your lack of skill is utterly funny if a cloaking ship keeps you from mining. LOL

Pulling all the Meta 0* loot out of PvE drops has been on our to-do list for a while, as it's damaging to both mining and T1 industry. With the changes to rogue drones going in, we're already committing to a mineral supply "shock" in this patch, so we decided when planning this release to roll in the Meta 0 removal at the same time so we only have to go through this process once. Due to the way that the loot tables are set up internally, it's *substantially* easier** to replace loot rather than remove it, so the solution we're going with for now is swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).

we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game

swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).

[-SNIP- Sorry]

Due to the way that the loot tables are set up internally, it's *substantially* easier** to replace loot rather than remove it, so the solution we're going with for now is swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).

** We have a chance of picking from a given loot table, and then ratios for each type within the table. If we just removed the Meta 0 stuff, we'd end up dropping WAY more Meta 1-4, which isn't desirable, and the only way to resolve this is to alter the table pick rates, which are authored on a per-NPC basis, which would mean recalculating and adjusting every NPC in the game. This isn't really viable within the scope of this release, and we don't want to push this change back because it means doing a "double shock" to mineral prices; hence the metal scraps.

Ty for answering our questions, it is deeply appreciated. Those shoes tho.....

Now on to the answers themselves;
1. So whats the benefit of killing drones as compared to other rats then? They used to provide something unique and alternative to mining?

Also this statistic of 40% of highends coming from drone space... where does it come from?

2. You have no plans to do this.... okay do you agree that they are worth less or can you provide data to the contrary, alleviating our concerns?

3. Thank you, its much needed.

4. Insurance levels have been out of scope since `nam. If you want to score kudo's from teh community look into this, too many instances of things being worth more in insurance than investment to build, and any kind of non vanilla stock ship has insurance levels waaaaaay below what the ship is worth.

5. I feel that the impact from this hasn't been thought out, is there any data or handy charts? Because removing loot from the game..... bounty's are really really boring, its neat to have isk faucets everywhere but the flow needs some chunks to it to make it interesting.

while we work hard, we have yet to reach that level of gankination

Thanks for the clarification. Back to work, miners, traders, etc.

Your alliance, probably not. I'd like to see some info on the average life expectancy of a non-bot player mining within a reasonable distance of a market hub is.

Run your maths with spod instead of veld ;)

Sansha 9/10 doesn't exist..

So just to confirm I understand this: every time a npc rat would have dropped a t1 module, it will drop a single metal scrap instead? Will there be any differentiation on how many scraps are dropped by various rats, or is this a single 1 mod = 1 scrap ratio, regardless of rat type or mod type?

With the changes to rogue drones going in, we're already committing to a mineral supply "shock" in this patch, so we decided when planning this release to roll in the Meta 0 removal at the same time so we only have to go through this process once.

Looking into this one as well

and PLEX prices will drop as more ppl need more money for more ships.