So are you still looking at boosting Assault and HQ sites a little more? Or is this is for balancing Incursions?

Also, approve of the drone alloy -> bounty changes. More power to the miners!

So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.

So the summary is:

#1 More profit for miners
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region you now get bounties like the rest of us

Easy to get excited about 3 buffs in one blog.

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3

So the summary is:

#1 More miners to shoot
#2 Incursions are less out of line on risk:reward (albeit probably still too high)
#3 If you live in the drone region your truesec is in line with anyone else's

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3

These changes will generate enough tears to terraform Mars.

Well, think of the null sec miners at least. I like the changes (anything that reduces materials from loot is a step in the right direction IMHO) but this fits in to the perception that CCP is disproportionately catering to the needs of the minority who live in null sec. Now if this was coupled with removal of meta 0 loot from missions we might be on to something ^_^

Well, think of the null sec miners at least. I like the changes (anything that reduces materials from loot is a step in the right direction IMHO) but this fits in to the perception that CCP is disproportionately catering to the needs of the minority who live in null sec. Now if this was coupled with removal of meta 0 loot from missions we might be on to something ^_^

Think before you post. Or in this case look at the market with minerals rising across the board before you post.


Actually CCP Phantom, that reminds me - there was talk of removing Meta 0 loot drops from NPCs. Is that still a thing?

As well as adjusting these triggers, weGÇÖve also randomized the spawns based on feedback that Incursions had become too predictable. Now, when you enter an Incursion you will no longer be able to predict every spawn.

So drones will get bounties like any other npc but no tipe of loot?

Will you change anomalies / plexes for drone regoins?

Will drones have officer drops?

Will drones have haulers?

EvA

Great change to the way Incursion sites spawn, that's enough to make me want to go back knowing I'm doing more than shooting Deltoles all day.

My only concern is that for the pug fleets that were spending time to form up with their T1 guns etc and pulling in 50-60 mil p/h, the change to both how the sites spawn and the 10% nerf to VG payouts may well force them back into L4 missioning. Intended or unfortunate sideeffect?

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3

The sites are still more than worthwhile, just on par with the others now. However, that being said, we will monitor the changes carefully and see how things go.

I believe it's still a thing, and a thing that's in this patch.

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So what loot will the drones drop??

Read this dev blog by CCP Affinity from Team Five 0 and learn everything you always wanted to know about 'carebearing 2.0' (but were afraid to ask)!

Good, you made mining profitable again. I always thought it was wrong that the main source of minerals was not mining, but shooting things.

But now you need to change the actual process of mining into something that can be enjoyable to someone who isn't yet brain-dead. Even I may start mining when it yields 200 m/hour, but I'm still going to hate it.

tl;dr: CCP swings the nerfbat around like a blind drunk in a fog, removing everything unique and interesting about the Drone Regions in the process.

Please, CCP, stop trying to alter player behavior. You can't change what you don't understand.

I know we've never actually done the "Sandbox" and "Big and Uneven" things you always talk about. Could we maybe try those, instead of making everything more prescriptive and more like everything else with every new patch?

tl;dr: CCP swings the nerfbat around like a blind drunk in a fog, removing everything unique and interesting about the Drone Regions in the process.

Please, CCP, stop trying to alter player behavior. You can't change what you don't understand.

I know we've never actually done the "Sandbox" and "Big and Uneven" things you always talk about. Could we maybe try those, instead of making everything more prescriptive and more like everything else with every new patch?

Though we can probably make rough guesses, can you please provide us with a chart showing the bounties to be paid for each drone type?

Not sure if the Incursion changes will have much effect on how they're run, but we'll just have to see.

Any change that gives more player targets to shoot is a welcome one.

Also, some sort of X-Large corporate hangar for minners to store stuff on POS is realy needed.... it makes no sense storing things on a X-Large ship assembly array... Also it would be realy interesting to fave a tab for each player store its stuff...( remove the tabs and add folders or something like it...)... this could also be applied to assembly arrays!

You know that mining is shooting rocks, right?

These changes will be on SISI tomorrow (hopefully - definitely this week!) They are exactly the same progression as the existing pirate NPCs

In Crucible 1.5, released on 13th March 2012, he added 3 more deadspace sites, bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game, bringing this project close to completion.

but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3

These changes will be on SISI tomorrow (hopefully - definitely this week!) They are exactly the same progression as the existing pirate NPCs

These changes will be on SISI tomorrow (hopefully - definitely this week!) They are exactly the same progression as the existing pirate NPCs

As part of this change, weGÇÿre also adjusting the security status of drone region systems. As you can see from the image above, the change is an upward adjustment in truesec across most regions, with the ones closer to empire ending up with a higher truesec than the ones further away. The overall goal of all these changes is to make the drone regions more economically balanced, and to reduce the downward pressure on mineral prices from the drone regions so mining becomes more profitable.

Am I the only one who saw the opposite on the image? All of them had either the same average truesec or lower, but in the dev blog it says the change is an UPWARD adjustment.

The problem is that POS hangars and so on are all extensions of the corporation hangar stuff, and as such are tied into the horrible mess which is corp mechanics as they are at the moment.

All the UI stuff is getting some love, which will help a little, but without effectively scrapping and rewriting all of the corp mechanics (and the new an interesting ways that could break things) means its probably not going to be possible for quite some time.

Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now?

First you remove my alloys, risking the possibility of destroying our economy for a long period of time. Then you keep Mining so ******* boring that most people can only bear doing it by Botting. But then you crack down on bots. THEN, you **** up my trusec.

I've been very understanding of you, CCP, but this is a step too far. Thanks for destroying the value of my home.

At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.

At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.

My only concern is that for the pug fleets that were spending time to form up with their T1 guns etc and pulling in 50-60 mil p/h, the change to both how the sites spawn and the 10% nerf to VG payouts may well force them back into L4 missioning. Intended or unfortunate sideeffect?

I really do think that drone alloys gave the drones something unique and different than the rest of Eve's PvE enemies. Giving them bounties doesn't make the space unique or interesting or worth fighting over. It's boring and stale and uninteresting

I understand the effect on mining which is why I propose a different change

What about the drones dropping components required for T2 drone production - and that was the only way to get them

This gives them more flavor, something other than a bounty, and makes the nullsec drone regions something valuable and worth fighting over. The alliances that control T2 drone production could end up quite wealthy. It also doesn't create an additional isk faucet like the bounty change will create.

Chalk Inferno up as a failure, CCP will change too much too quickly. Unless... they add something that completely fixes the stuff they're about to **** over.

At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.

So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.

At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.

CCP Affinity wears the cutest shoes, and thus can do no wrong in my eyes

I used to love collecting those rogue drones alloys but sizeable bounties sound good too.

Hm. Wonder how long it is too 500m battleships and we all start fighting in T1 cruisers / frigs like the good old days.

Chalk Inferno up as a failure, CCP will change too much too quickly. Unless... they add something that completely fixes the stuff they're about to **** over.

This would actually not be a bad thing.

In 2011, CCP Bettik decided to make it his personal mission to fill in the gaps in deadspace content. In Crucible 1.5, released on 13th March 2012, he added 3 more deadspace sites, bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game, bringing this project close to completion.

Oh and thanks for not answering peoples question in the forums, I think its swell that you can start a thread and then ignore the conversation that arises, really.



Do you think in the future, before you make these changes, you could post your intentions and thoughts and get our feedback BEFORE you wreck an economy?

I recent news, all exhumers have been removed from the market because 99.95% if them have been suicide ganked because they SUCK at tanking anything including ships 1/10000th their cost.

CCP Affinity,

What predictions do you think it will have on mineral prices?
There are a lot of minerals coming from drone regions to empire.
If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?
It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.

will killing drones bump security status?

At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.

[...]

Now we just need a cloak hunter ship to prevent people from ruining the industrial level of the systems by staying there cloaked until it reaches 0...

[...]

THX CCP! You are doing a wonderful work!

(...) bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game, bringing this project close to completion.

So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.

So drones will get bounties like any other npc but no tipe of loot?

Will you change anomalies / plexes for drone regoins?

Will drones have officer drops?

Will drones have haulers?

EvA

I'm getting around to the questions ;) patience...

and we did have forum threads, CSM feedback + fanfest feedback

tl;dr: CCP swings the nerfbat around like a blind drunk in a fog, removing everything unique and interesting about the Drone Regions in the process.

Please, CCP, stop trying to alter player behavior. You can't change what you don't understand.

I know we've never actually done the "Sandbox" and "Big and Uneven" things you always talk about. Could we maybe try those, instead of making everything more prescriptive and more like everything else with every new patch?

First you remove my alloys, risking the possibility of destroying our economy for a long period of time. Then you keep Mining so ******* boring that most people can only bear doing it by Botting. But then you crack down on bots. THEN, you **** up my trusec.

I've been very understanding of you, CCP, but this is a step too far. Thanks for destroying the value of my home.

Interesting changes which are already shaping EVE mineral markets today.

So a couple of questions:
1) Will Rogue Drones start dropping normal loot?
2) Will Rogue Drones salvage be increased? It seems today their salvage is quite below par.
3) Will you look into Rogue Drone exploration sites and escalations? Currently, their value is very low (who really wants 'augmented' or 'Integrated' drones?) and could use some new modules / blue prints / etc to be as interesting as the pirate faction drops.
4) How long will it take for the insurance values to adjust to the change in mineral prices? Already, the mineral prices have shot up significantly, and I assume the market will take months after this (if not longer) to adjust to the new realities. It seems a bit unfair if the insurance value for T1 ships lags so far behind players don't get compensated for these drastic changes.
5) Your blog doesn't mention this, but there's also talk about eliminating all T1 module drops from all NPCs. Can you confirm? And does that mean less loot, or will the entire loot drop table be revised to replace T1 drops with meta modules, and thereby reducing the chance for meta 4 modules?

You do not have my permission to do this. Please consult with me in the future before you make more mistakes. Thank you.

To be clear drones will be worth even less than any other pirate, which they already were, in order to make mining look more attractive. Are you kidding me? No loot, and worst salvage, and you think "Hey drones are OP, lets nerf them for the miners!" Please stop huffing the dry erase markers.

First you remove my alloys, risking the possibility of destroying our economy for a long period of time. Then you keep Mining so ******* boring that most people can only bear doing it by Botting. But then you crack down on bots. THEN, you **** up my trusec.

I've been very understanding of you, CCP, but this is a step too far. Thanks for destroying the value of my home.

Giving drones with bounties, but then no sec status increase doesn't make sense. ATM, Rogue Drones replicate themselves, thus CONCORD has no idea that they exist unless killing them sends a signal that the NPC has died, and that it had to exist in order to die. CONCORD acknowledges that the NPC died, awards bounty but no sec status increase? In order for BOUNTIES to work you must be WANTED by CONCORD. I'm really disappointed in the Devs that tackled the Drone Region problem.

This change was pointed by CSM in the last meeting, so it is the community voice that is supporting this changes. It was needed...

I'm really sorry for you living in the drone region, now you will rat for isk, not for minerals, so you will buy minerals with isk, from the miners... and the game will be to you as it is for everyone else... so give them some love... the more miners there is the less isk you will need to pay for your minerals...

Will the alloys be gone for good (i. e., no chance of drop whatsoever)? Will you remove all the alloys from the game when the Escalation patch rolls out?

5. confirmed - they will be replaced with metal scraps

If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?

It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.

Now if industrialists could just get the ****** industrialists with the economical sense of Obama to stop building crap for less than you can buy the minerals required for it off the market. The "It didn't cost me nothing to mine it" is such an uneducated look at economy. Of course those are probably the same people that are willing to work for less than minimum wage.

I love this concept as a reformed miner. Wanna-be PVPers (you know the ones that like to shoot stuff that can't shoot back the most) don't realize that now when they start killing miners, they are actually going to start pushing up the prices of minerals.

Now if industrialists could just get the ****** industrialists with the economical sense of Obama to stop building crap for less than you can buy the minerals required for it off the market. The "It didn't cost me nothing to mine it" is such an uneducated look at economy. Of course those are probably the same people that are willing to work for less than minimum wage.

guys, we decided to give the spawns more variety, without significantly altering the difficulty of any one spawn. This was done by grouping the NPCs into waves, and moving the trigger to spawn the next wave from an individual NPC to the group as a whole.

I'm glad we have links to dev shoes and no answers to any question brought up. Seems to be "We're putting bounties on drones and didn't think beyond that..."

I've answered quite a few questions ;) going through them again for ones I may have missed

CCP Affinity,

What predictions do you think it will have on mineral prices?
There are a lot of minerals coming from drone regions to empire.
If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?
It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.

but seriously i really want more info about this metal scraps business as that's completely new

So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.

will killing drones bump security status?

edit, nvm, answered on P4 ("no")

Nerfing the drone regions is pushing inflation in minerals found in addition to Zyde, Mega and Morphite in drone poo. What are you going to do about the shortage/rampant inflation of minerals found in high sec rocks?

Please also keep in mind that at 300m for a hulk and assuming a suicide gank every 10 hours of mining, the floor price of veld is 30m. Plugging this formula into a spreadsheet =30000000/60/((1600/33.3)*1000), gives a minimum trit price of around 10.0 for break even.

Something needs to give.

1. No - Commander groups have loot tables, regular deadspace rogue drones don't
2. at the moment we have no plans to do this - but who knows!
3. We will definitely look into this :) not confirming we will do anything about it right away but it's definitely on our list of things to investigate
4. Pretty impossible for me to answer that and I am definitely not the person to be doing so - would need to be someone from research and statistics
5. confirmed - they will be replaced with metal scraps

Pardon? Could you elaborate on this, this is news. Just normal metal scraps, or will there be various types of metal scraps?

Something needs to give.

1. No - Commander groups have loot tables, regular deadspace rogue drones don't
2. at the moment we have no plans to do this - but who knows!
3. We will definitely look into this :) not confirming we will do anything about it right away but it's definitely on our list of things to investigate
4. Pretty impossible for me to answer that and I am definitely not the person to be doing so - would need to be someone from research and statistics
5. confirmed - they will be replaced with metal scraps

aww thanks :3

https://instagr.am/p/cwB4I/media/?size=l (for anyone wondering...)

Hello CCP

Three questions!

Easy "yes we are aware" / "no we are not aware" ones


1. Are you aware that no one in game has seen an Angel Cartel or Serpentis DED 6/10 site

2. Are you guys aware that the new DED 3/10s have the same initial signal strength as the DED 4/10s? None of the other DED sites share signal strengths. (Example

3. Are you guys aware that when you added deadspace Invulnerability fields, Angel Cartel became the only faction dropping cruiser A-type loot in highsec?

Will everywhere just become so homogenous in the set up that we just may as well join goonswarm, tell them they've won and end EVE?

Demand wont stay the same. What was seen as a bubble in the mineral market has stabelised. Banned bots are banned. In the good old days we had plenty of caps for mineral prices (hello Mr Shuttle). All that stuff is gone. What is not gone is the covert cyno. AFK cloaker will be a big problem now. It's fairly easy to move to next system if you want to shoot NPCs. If you want to mine those roids, you need to be close to them.

It's going to be a complete mess. :)



About 40% of all highends. Lowmins where mostly used to build supers.

I'm glad we have links to dev shoes and no answers to any question brought up. Seems to be "We're putting bounties on drones and didn't think beyond that..."

Please contact our CFO, Weaselior, to discuss exciting new options for joining Goonswarm and/or renting space.

1) Huh. Something odd has happened with these sites. I'll get back to you after I've talked to CCP Bettik about this.

2) The Sansha and Serpentis ones are actually correct, but the other three have the wrong values set. Good catch, I'll fix it as soon as I finish replying here

3) I don't know what's up with this one, sorry

Please also keep in mind that at 300m for a hulk and assuming a suicide gank every 10 hours of mining, the floor price of veld is 30m. Plugging this formula into a spreadsheet =30000000/60/((1600/33.3)*1000), gives a minimum trit price of around 10.0 for break even.

We shoot your miners so that something else that can ineffectually shoot back comes out.

1) Huh. Something odd has happened with these sites. I'll get back to you after I've talked to CCP Bettik about this.

2) The Sansha and Serpentis ones are actually correct, but the other three have the wrong values set. Good catch, I'll fix it as soon as I finish replying here

3) I don't know what's up with this one, sorry

Those shows look like something out of the Hunger Games

CCP Affinity,

What predictions do you think it will have on mineral prices?
There are a lot of minerals coming from drone regions to empire.
If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?
It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.

Pardon? Could you elaborate on this, this is news. Just normal metal scraps, or will there be various types of metal scraps?

This would actually not be a bad thing.

Nerfing the drone regions is pushing inflation in minerals found in addition to Zyde, Mega and Morphite in drone poo. What are you going to do about the shortage/rampant inflation of minerals found in high sec rocks?

Please also keep in mind that at 300m for a hulk and assuming a suicide gank every 10 hours of mining, the floor price of veld is 30m. Plugging this formula into a spreadsheet =30000000/60/((1600/33.3)*1000), gives a minimum trit price of around 10.0 for break even.

Something needs to give.

I was promised an answer from you on the metal scraps issue why are you discussing complexes :(

Our plan for this is basically to make the changes, see where prices end up settling and then potentially make further adjustments (to the game as a whole) to react to this.



Pulling all the Meta 0* loot out of PvE drops has been on our to-do list for a while, as it's damaging to both mining and T1 industry. With the changes to rogue drones going in, we're already committing to a mineral supply "shock" in this patch, so we decided when planning this release to roll in the Meta 0 removal at the same time so we only have to go through this process once. Due to the way that the loot tables are set up internally, it's *substantially* easier** to replace loot rather than remove it, so the solution we're going with for now is swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).


*Ie, vanilla T1 equipment - your Cap Recharger Is and 1MN Afterburner Is and so on

** We have a chance of picking from a given loot table, and then ratios for each type within the table. If we just removed the Meta 0 stuff, we'd end up dropping WAY more Meta 1-4, which isn't desirable, and the only way to resolve this is to alter the table pick rates, which are authored on a per-NPC basis, which would mean recalculating and adjusting every NPC in the game. This isn't really viable within the scope of this release, and we don't want to push this change back because it means doing a "double shock" to mineral prices; hence the metal scraps.

1) Excellent, the creeping subjective devaluing of assets was taking away one of the core principles that make eve great: Consequences.
2) The nerf is much milder than predicted, actually. If you ran incursions before because you liked to play that way, you're surely going to continue.
3) Until you actually see the bounties on the drones, you can't judge the effects of the new true sec. The only part about it that's definitely negative is the new isk faucet it opens.

Great changes overall, CCP.

he added 3 more deadspace sites, bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game

We want to wait and see how these changes pan out and then we will look at further changes if we feel it's necessary :)

This will drive the prices of ships up alot. The more miners that die in 0.0 space will make the matters worse as they will need to re-coup their losses.

Better dust off your Tech 1 cruisers cause you wont be able to afford much else for a while.

ROFL Stop the crying about cloaking ships you guys.. I can't swim well enough to live through the lakes you are creating. Your lack of skill is utterly funny if a cloaking ship keeps you from mining. LOL

Pulling all the Meta 0* loot out of PvE drops has been on our to-do list for a while, as it's damaging to both mining and T1 industry. With the changes to rogue drones going in, we're already committing to a mineral supply "shock" in this patch, so we decided when planning this release to roll in the Meta 0 removal at the same time so we only have to go through this process once. Due to the way that the loot tables are set up internally, it's *substantially* easier** to replace loot rather than remove it, so the solution we're going with for now is swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).

we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game

swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).

[-SNIP- Sorry]

Due to the way that the loot tables are set up internally, it's *substantially* easier** to replace loot rather than remove it, so the solution we're going with for now is swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).

** We have a chance of picking from a given loot table, and then ratios for each type within the table. If we just removed the Meta 0 stuff, we'd end up dropping WAY more Meta 1-4, which isn't desirable, and the only way to resolve this is to alter the table pick rates, which are authored on a per-NPC basis, which would mean recalculating and adjusting every NPC in the game. This isn't really viable within the scope of this release, and we don't want to push this change back because it means doing a "double shock" to mineral prices; hence the metal scraps.

Ty for answering our questions, it is deeply appreciated. Those shoes tho.....

Now on to the answers themselves;
1. So whats the benefit of killing drones as compared to other rats then? They used to provide something unique and alternative to mining?

Also this statistic of 40% of highends coming from drone space... where does it come from?

2. You have no plans to do this.... okay do you agree that they are worth less or can you provide data to the contrary, alleviating our concerns?

3. Thank you, its much needed.

4. Insurance levels have been out of scope since `nam. If you want to score kudo's from teh community look into this, too many instances of things being worth more in insurance than investment to build, and any kind of non vanilla stock ship has insurance levels waaaaaay below what the ship is worth.

5. I feel that the impact from this hasn't been thought out, is there any data or handy charts? Because removing loot from the game..... bounty's are really really boring, its neat to have isk faucets everywhere but the flow needs some chunks to it to make it interesting.

while we work hard, we have yet to reach that level of gankination

Thanks for the clarification. Back to work, miners, traders, etc.

Your alliance, probably not. I'd like to see some info on the average life expectancy of a non-bot player mining within a reasonable distance of a market hub is.

Run your maths with spod instead of veld ;)

Sansha 9/10 doesn't exist..

So just to confirm I understand this: every time a npc rat would have dropped a t1 module, it will drop a single metal scrap instead? Will there be any differentiation on how many scraps are dropped by various rats, or is this a single 1 mod = 1 scrap ratio, regardless of rat type or mod type?

With the changes to rogue drones going in, we're already committing to a mineral supply "shock" in this patch, so we decided when planning this release to roll in the Meta 0 removal at the same time so we only have to go through this process once.

Looking into this one as well

and PLEX prices will drop as more ppl need more money for more ships.

I give this post a 10 on the Grey Scale of insanity.

/me chuckles

Let me save you some time: you consider the fleet staging points the 9/10 though they're not labeled as such. There are no labeled "9/10s" but the fleet staging point is guaranteed to escalate and drops a-type loot.

2) The Sansha and Serpentis ones are actually correct, but the other three have the wrong values set. Good catch, I'll fix it as soon as I finish replying here

Great, we will have now half-rats.

Your alliance, probably not. I'd like to see some info on the average life expectancy of a non-bot player mining within a reasonable distance of a market hub is.

my spider senses are tingling that all meta0 loot is being removed from npcs

my spider senses are mostly remembering it was already announced though they're not very impressive

- If you keep allowing hulkageddons and similar intimidation, mining will never get any more attractive.. Mining is a carebear trade, and carebears want to be left alone.

halfrats for halfmen

Hulkageddon is an emergent activity within the sandbox. CCP has nothing to do with it, apart from creating a ship "better able to handle the dangers of deep space" that can't even tank a T1 destroyer long enough for CONCORD to do something about it. I've done null-sec mining, and while yes, it is very much a carebear trade, and yes, I did like being the only one within three systems, you never know when there might be an incoming roam that requires you to either safe up for a time, or swap the mining lasers for missiles to join the counter-attack.

** We have a chance of picking from a given loot table, and then ratios for each type within the table. If we just removed the Meta 0 stuff, we'd end up dropping WAY more Meta 1-4, which isn't desirable, and the only way to resolve this is to alter the table pick rates, which are authored on a per-NPC basis, which would mean recalculating and adjusting every NPC in the game. This isn't really viable within the scope of this release, and we don't want to push this change back because it means doing a "double shock" to mineral prices; hence the metal scraps.

Correct on all points, this is working mostly as intended, good knowledge

You can put missles on a hulk?

Can we not have REAL 9/10s then? Fleet staging point sucks with the multiple escalations. Why do we have to fly all over to get a chance at a-type loot but can go to 1 place and get X-type?

So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.

... would have somewhat defeated a large portion of ...

So are the scrap drops going to be in piles to reflect that this loot entry 1 corresponds with a mining laser and loot entry 2 corresponds with a 425mm railgun - will the second entry get more metal scraps?

There is a second source of X-type that does require you to fly all over the place. 'Real' 9/10's would be nice anyway, though.

Honestly, though, with this set of changes DED plexes will be fine. It's the mag/hacking sites that really need attention now.

Can we not have REAL 9/10s then? Fleet staging point sucks with the multiple escalations. Why do we have to fly all over to get a chance at a-type loot but can go to 1 place and get X-type?

3) I don't know what's up with this one, sorry

So why nerf the sec status if the desire is to promote mining as a profession?

any t1 mod drop is a single unit of metal scraps, no variation, per an earlier clarification

Oh for ****'s sakes...This over-entitled whinging crap again...

No, you don't.

Team up and make the effort to secure your space to the point that the big, bad, scawwy cloakie knows he practically can't decloak without getting insta-popped. And if you refuse to do that, then you deserve to lose the benefits of your space.

There are rats that drop piles of items - look at the hauler spawns for example either the pirate belt spawns or the couriers leaving stations. Clearly the functionality exists.

Unless I am mistaken, one can upgrade space, or do I misunderstand the system as it stands now?

CCP Spitfire stated in this thread almost 2 months ago that this is known problem and fix is underway and you still "dont know what's up"?
Anyone who can open contracts on TQ will not find any Gistum C-Type Invulnerability Field module. But there are tons of A-type because you put them in 4/10 sites.