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O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:48:00 - [421] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief Do feel free to prove me wrong at any point. We would rather just continue to hammer down your towers should you deploy any more and be content with the knowledge that for many days of this discussion you mocked us, insulted us, and dared us to flatten you in Catch...and then we did precisely that. I suppose if defeating Ushra'Khan repeatedly means the joke's on us...then hot damn, the joke's on us. Of course you would prefer that, you don't have the strength to face us alone, and we know that. However to 'flatten us' in Catch you'll have to do a lot more than pop two stolen control towers with 400 of your closest friends, whilst losing 200 ships over it. We still have towers up. We'll be putting more up. Do your worst, slaver!
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:52:00 - [422] Originally by: Vantras CVA is impotent alone? Can the spin get any richer then this. Ushra Khan operating alone would have you basing your operation out of Rens. Two years after you fled 9uy and the best you can muster is 2 pos's in a backwater system that you held for a week? You exist in 0.0 at the whim of AAA. We are just reaffirming this - yet again- and cleaning up some loose ends. There is not a pilot in CVA that doesnt have tremendous respect for the might of AAA. Being assisted by them and your repeated pleas for asstiance on Intergal does not extend that respect to the rabble that is today's Ushra Khan. Yet more GalNet comedy gold by CVA. By your allies strength did you sieze 9UY. By the strength of others did you destroy SSI's control towers. You do what you do, not because you are strong, but because unlike U'K you prefer to hide your weaknesses behind the meatshields of Providence. We have no complaints that you do that - but don't call us up on the same thing, for that would make you a hypocrite. Highly undesirable, I'm sure you can agree.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:52:00 - [423] Originally by: O Thief We still have towers up. We'll be putting more up. Do your worst, slaver! A much more befitting tone to write new chapters in the rich history of our conflicts. I pray we will do our best, terrorist! Amarr Victor!
Vantras Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:54:00 - [424] Quick clarification on the towers you are putting up Butter. Just to get the record straight. Do you want those towers? or the space they are in? Or are you just putting then up because you "stole" more towers or something odd. Want to make it clear - now that you are bragging about putting towers up-what it will look like in the "spin" column once we come flatten them again. It's hard to follow the Ushra Khan story line here.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:58:00 - [425] Originally by: Vantras Quick clarification on the towers you are putting up Butter. Just to get the record straight. Do you want those towers? or the space they are in? Or are you just putting then up because you "stole" more towers or something odd. Want to make it clear - now that you are bragging about putting towers up-what it will look like in the "spin" column once we come flatten them again. It's hard to follow the Ushra Khan story line here. As has been clear from the start of this trasmission, space claiming is not our goal. Our goals may require the use of towers to gain certain strategic advantages or encourage fighting. This has not changed since our campaign in Catch began. It will not change now.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:03:00 - [426] Originally by: O Thief By your allies strength did you sieze 9UY. Don't forget how U'K held it when it came under assault the time before...
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:18:00 - [427] Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:20:00 Originally by: Vantras Quick clarification on the towers you are putting up Butter. Just to get the record straight. Do you want those towers? or the space they are in? Or are you just putting then up because you "stole" more towers or something odd. Want to make it clear - now that you are bragging about putting towers up-what it will look like in the "spin" column once we come flatten them again. It's hard to follow the Ushra Khan story line here. I believe an advert a saw for a certain isk related "charge card" sums up the tactics we've been using, and what they will be for the forseeable future, I have of course changed the wording occordingly: - Liberate Providence monkey towers, costs, a dozen combat ships and the appropraite transporter. - Anchor and online liberated Providence monkey towers in their systems, costs, that same transport ship and some fuel (which was also in part stolen off the Providence monkies but that's another story) note as we didnt lose the modules they are not included. - Over the last 2 months killing over 85 billion isks worth of Providence monkey ships, including 5 capitals, just below 350 battleships, 2 large towers, 2 Sylph Orcas (maybe not related to the towers so much but I just felt like mentioning it) and overall lots of good fights for our brave warriors to enjoy, costs...well a damn sight less then it costs the Providence monkies looking at our efficiency! Does that answer your question, or do you need me to simplify yet further? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Vantras Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:38:00 - [428] Edited by: Vantras on 16/02/2009 21:41:01 Shanda you nailed it perfectly and I thank you. Ushra Khan is interested in and measures its success by its "efficiency". Not by whether it defeats the Amarr, liberates slaves, disrupts activity in Providence, assists the milita etc. It is about efficiency. Number of ships and their value you kill versus what you lose. There are many among us that suspected this-but many who couldnt believe it so. Got it. A major change for Ushra Khan but I accept your word and accept this as your organization's new goal and the way you do and will be measuring success. CVA, as you likely know, measures success in a slightly different way.
Vantras Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:40:00 - [429] Originally by: shanda captison Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:31:45 Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:20:00 Originally by: Vantras Quick clarification on the towers you are putting up Butter. Just to get the record straight. Do you want those towers? or the space they are in? Or are you just putting then up because you "stole" more towers or something odd. Want to make it clear - now that you are bragging about putting towers up-what it will look like in the "spin" column once we come flatten them again. It's hard to follow the Ushra Khan story line here. I believe an advert I saw for a certain isk related "charge card" sums up the tactics we've been using, and what they will be for the forseeable future, I have of course changed the wording accordingly: - Liberate Providence monkey towers, costs, a dozen combat ships and the appropraite transporter. - Anchor and online liberated Providence monkey towers in their systems, costs, that same transport ship and some fuel (which was also in part stolen off the Providence monkies but that's another story) note as we didnt lose the modules they are not included. - Over the last 2 months killing over 85 billion isks worth of Providence monkey ships, including 5 capitals, just below 350 battleships, 2 large towers, 2 Sylph Orcas (maybe not related to the towers so much but I just felt like mentioning it) and overall lots of good fights for our brave warriors to enjoy, costs...well a damn sight less then it costs the Providence monkies looking at our efficiency! Does that answer your question, or do you need me to simplify yet further? For preservations sake.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:54:00 - [430] Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:57:42 Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:56:31 Originally by: Vantras Edited by: Vantras on 16/02/2009 21:41:01 Shanda you nailed it perfectly and I thank you. Ushra Khan is interested in and measures its success by its "efficiency". Not by whether it defeats the Amarr, liberates slaves, disrupts activity in Providence, assists the milita etc. It is about efficiency. Number of ships and their value you kill versus what you lose. There are many among us that suspected this-but many who couldnt believe it so. Got it. A major change for Ushra Khan but I accept your word and accept this as your organization's new goal and the way you do and will be measuring success. CVA, as you likely know, measures success in a slightly different way. In doing the first thing we achieve the other two, by keeping the kill vs loses high we distrupt activies in Providence and liberate slaves (who are rescued from destroyed slaver ships). The milita has nothing to do with this discussion, but now you mention them how is the relationships with yours going? You accuse us of saying "we didnt want those towers anyway" when you yourself are claiming "we didnt want that 85 billion isks worth of ships you destroyed". You cant have it both ways. I would agree, it's simply the case of our pilots being fearless warriors who constantly demand action. Your existance of living in a care free land, collecting bounties off sansha pirates, mining the belts, chasing after single hacs in 20 man fleets, and more recently sieging towers with 500 pilots, would not sit well with them. Edit: [OOC - thanks, if that gets nuked I'm going to cry] Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:59:00 - [431] Originally by: Vantras Edited by: Vantras on 16/02/2009 21:41:01 Shanda you nailed it perfectly and I thank you. Ushra Khan is interested in and measures its success by its "efficiency". Not by whether it defeats the Amarr, liberates slaves, disrupts activity in Providence, assists the milita etc. It is about efficiency. Number of ships and their value you kill versus what you lose. There are many among us that suspected this-but many who couldnt believe it so. Got it. A major change for Ushra Khan but I accept your word and accept this as your organization's new goal and the way you do and will be measuring success. CVA, as you likely know, measures success in a slightly different way. Have you lost your mind, poor slaver? Shanda was answering YOUR specific question about control towers. You didn't ask about U'K goals in the broad sense. If you had, the answer would have been different. I know intelligence has never been a trait of slavers, but you really need to think before you transmit on GalNet.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:06:00 - [432] Edited by: Xennith on 16/02/2009 22:07:00 Efficiency is simply a measure of how much damage is inflicted with what resources. You call us terrorists, we call ourselves freedom fighters, but we want to inflict as much damage as possible on slavers, free as many slaves as possible, and drive as many pilots away from your slave built empire as possible. And we want to do this loseing as little hardware as possible. Efficiency is a poor metric, but until we can start measuring the smiles on the faces of the slaves I have rescued from you monsters, its the easiest to calculate. You measure success by a different criteria. Number of systems owned, total population subjugated, total amount of free thought, free will and self determination suppressed. So in short, we think the only good slaver is a slowly spinning vaccuum frozen corpse, and you think the only good system is one that CONCORD says belongs to you, even if days go past without visits from the golden fleet. And which one of us is supposed to be inhuman again?
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:09:00 - [433] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Vantras Edited by: Vantras on 16/02/2009 21:41:01 Shanda you nailed it perfectly and I thank you. Ushra Khan is interested in and measures its success by its "efficiency". Not by whether it defeats the Amarr, liberates slaves, disrupts activity in Providence, assists the milita etc. It is about efficiency. Number of ships and their value you kill versus what you lose. There are many among us that suspected this-but many who couldnt believe it so. Got it. A major change for Ushra Khan but I accept your word and accept this as your organization's new goal and the way you do and will be measuring success. CVA, as you likely know, measures success in a slightly different way. Have you lost your mind, poor slaver? Shanda was answering YOUR specific question about control towers. You didn't ask about U'K goals in the broad sense. If you had, the answer would have been different. I know intelligence has never been a trait of slavers, but you really need to think before you transmit on GalNet. Luckily, in my time fighting slavers I have become able to read their minds so to speak, and thus can give the answer that they want to hear, but without themselves knowing or able to express it themselves. It helps me to defeat them in fleet battles. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:35:00 - [434] It is interesting to read of these events over the past few days. It most definatley would appear to be a Victory by CVA and holders but for one thing. You can not have Victory when an enemy has nothing to lose in being defeated. After following these events for some time, from th ebeginning of the campaign against SSI to the fall of the stolen SSI towers I have to say O'thief has been honest in claiming they did not want the space. Remeber you can defeat someone who has nothing to los eand this is the stregnth of UK. However reading the events and consulting to several who were part of it. The boasts of UK are false, their was no victory or glory, as there was no defeat, for the Amarrians got their achieved goal, and UK really did not lose anything. I have heard from several reports and sources that -A- brought a Titan into GMLH however thought better of deploying it. Could have been the prospect of facing over 70 capital ships as well as several hundred Battleships, some on the field and some in reserve. (please I choose not to reveal my sources as they consist of private convos and messages from pilots on both sides of the fight) Needless to say it was impressive to see that CVA, Sylph and holders could put together and coordinate such a fleet. That -A- truly showed what they are willing to commit to UK speaks volumes as well. As history of -A- will show they will grow weary of UK and then they will have no home as well. The willingness of UK to take the fight is interesting and I wonder if and actual good old fashioned rumble could be set up between the 2 groups. 1 system, 1 date, 1 time, x amount of ships equally set up and just have it out. No blobbing and cloaking and running. Just two warrior groups hammering it out. The prize can be slaves, yes slaves UK wins they may be handed over to UK for freedom, if CVA wins they can be handed over for servitude, and end all of this baosting and lying propaganda
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:36:00 - [435] It's incredible to read UK's chest beating in these pages. 1st you warned the "friends of slavers" that they weren't welcomed in Catch. After the interesting reports of the "victories" against SSI you provoked an attack from the "Slavers" them selves and UK's opposition was weak, very weak, to say the least. AAA as usual proved that they are on the level of their reputation and engaged the Holders Fleets... It was AAA doing the fighting, it was AAA making the damage not UK. But your alliance continues the chest beating. Is AAA aware of that? Is AAA aware that you are taking as yours, their credits ? According with our registry's UK pilots in the fights reached 32(!) in the middle of +400 pilots fighting! I'm sure you were the decisive factor for so many Holders losses . Now you claim that you are going to put up more towers so you can have fights. Well I'm sure if you do that, there will be good fights, but they will be with AAA, not with UK. We can even end with a bloody nose, like it happened already several times. But if that happens, I can assure you that the credit will be all from AAA. There are several UK pilots that I respect a lot. Namely the ones that on a daily basis put their noses most of the times alone or in groups of 2-3 in the middle of Providence. It takes guts and skill to attack in the middle of hundreds of pilots that populate the region. Those are UK true warriors. Sorry to say O Thief but most of the times I see you fighting is in the forums. Good fight AAA. ________________ God is my Wingman
Da Beast The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:55:00 - [436] You have reached too far with your greedy little fingers and they shall be chopped off by the shoulder. Your fleets will burn like they did in SV5 when you reached too far the last time.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:06:00 - [437] Originally by: Da Beast You have reached too far with your greedy little fingers and they shall be chopped off by the shoulder. Your fleets will burn like they did in SV5 when you reached too far the last time. 0_0 so that's why that fight in SV5 happened....thank you for explaining that mystery to me Da Beast. It will be useful info. --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:35:00 - [438] Edited by: O Thief on 17/02/2009 00:41:23 Originally by: DeadDuck It's incredible to read UK's chest beating in these pages. 1st you warned the "friends of slavers" that they weren't welcomed in Catch. After the interesting reports of the "victories" against SSI you provoked an attack from the "Slavers" them selves and UK's opposition was weak, very weak, to say the least. AAA as usual proved that they are on the level of their reputation and engaged the Holders Fleets... It was AAA doing the fighting, it was AAA making the damage not UK. But your alliance continues the chest beating. Is AAA aware of that? Is AAA aware that you are taking as yours, their credits ? According with our registry's UK pilots in the fights reached 32(!) in the middle of +400 pilots fighting! I'm sure you were the decisive factor for so many Holders losses . Now you claim that you are going to put up more towers so you can have fights. Well I'm sure if you do that, there will be good fights, but they will be with AAA, not with UK. We can even end with a bloody nose, like it happened already several times. But if that happens, I can assure you that the credit will be all from AAA. There are several UK pilots that I respect a lot. Namely the ones that on a daily basis put their noses most of the times alone or in groups of 2-3 in the middle of Providence. It takes guts and skill to attack in the middle of hundreds of pilots that populate the region. Those are UK true warriors. Sorry to say O Thief but most of the times I see you fighting is in the forums. Good fight AAA. Another transparent attempt at divide and conquer. Pay one side compliments, deride the other. Sadly, for you, it's not going to work, because everyone knows the U'K fight and indeed love to fight. It's what we've been doing for 6 years and it won't stop now. Yes, on that occasion we were outnumbered massively. Yes, we could not take on the 400-500 man fleet in a straight up conventional fight. Does that suprise you? Did you expect something else? We fought outnumbered, we killed ships, we lost ships. Everything we could have done was done. CVA have never fought like this. You have never faced such overwhelming numbers against you. The numbers you mention are one U'K gang which was in GMLH. There was another U'K gang in GE- slowing you all down and picking you off one-by one. And yet another gang in coverts and POS gunning. But it suits you to mock us, doenst it. How brave of you to trash talk us from behind your blob of 500 pilots. I honestly don't know what you expect of a 500 man alliance, but I think we delivered pretty well. Don't dare to lecture us on combat prowess when hugely outnumbered, when all you can do is trash talk from behind your allies blobs. That takes no skill, and it earns you no respect. The great majority of this GalNet trasmission has focused on what U'K are up to in Catch. We talked about our campaigns and shared our stories against SSI. Now AAA have been involved in a fight, and suddenly we're chest beating on their behalf? I've rarely heard such nonsense on GalNet. CVA - your spin is as weak as it is desperate. Lay off the vitoc, its clearly eroding your sense of perspective.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:53:00 - [439] Edited by: Garreck on 17/02/2009 00:55:25 Originally by: O Thief CVA - your spin is as weak as it is desperate. Lay off the vitoc, its clearly eroding your sense of perspective. We don't need to spin. Ushra'khan took up sovereignty in a region adjacent to CVA. This was unacceptable. We remedied the situation. (With no small amount of smugness that we did it after weeks of insult that we didn't have the will/capability/whatever as thoroughly documented early in the discussion.) This is not a discussion of skill or combat prowess. You keep bringing that up, not us. You are the one trying to justify the 'accidental gain' and apparently unimportant loss of a system. You didn't want it; fine, we took it off your hands. There's no need to spin that. It has happened. You'll find most of CVA and Holders see little difference in the amount of skill required to flex our numerical advantage on a strategic level and Ushra'Khan's favorite tactics of cloaking in a system for days with a wolfpack in the hopes of finding solo targets who stand little chance and picking them off. The truth of the matter is that neither tactic is an expression of skill, merely the tactically prudent approach. What more is there to discuss?
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:04:00 - [440] Edited by: O Thief on 17/02/2009 01:06:45 Anyone with eyesight and a brain can read the transmission, and clearly see from the start that we were not making a claim of space. I don't need to 'pretend' anything - its all there in documented black and white on GalNet. Its in our alliance communications stating we were going to dismantle the GMLH POS as it had served its purpose. Please, do carry on trying to spin it if you wish. But don't expect anyone to be impressed with your 'achievement' in massively blobbing our small alliance to destroy liberated control towers. It wasn't your achievement. Your allies deserve the thanks. However, whilst we were not looking to claim space, the POS spamming of the systems of GMLH, S-U and GE- certainly look like you are trying to expand your influence. Or did Severance place those POS simply to generate fights in U'K style? I think not, my dear slaver.

Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:13:00 - [441] just got done with the final tallying, have a record news for cva and frinds the cost of removeing 2 large towers and a small tower came with the price tag in man hours of over 60 billion isk. This is one of the most expensive per pos take down in the last year. "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:14:00 - [442] Originally by: O Thief However, whilst we were not looking to claim space, the POS spamming of the systems of GMLH, S-U and GE- certainly look like you are trying to expand your influence. An astute observation. Were you expecting a denial?
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:23:00 - [443] Originally by: Lilan Kahn just got done with the final tallying, have a record news for cva and frinds the cost of removeing 2 large towers and a small tower came with the price tag in man hours of over 60 billion isk. This is one of the most expensive per pos take down in the last year. Made up statistics are always the best.
Kinet Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:37:00 - [444] Originally by: O Thief An AAA fleet of 100 strong engaged 300 ProviBlob in GE- not long ago, netting about 100 kills for 20 or so losses. U'K joined in the fighting and had a seperate gang camped the exit route, netting about 45 pod kills as people moved back up the pipe. Very good fun! So, in your own words, AAA engaged the Provi forces while you and 30 elite members of UK sat at a gate, several systems away from the real action, and shot at unarmed pods coming back from the battle. Very commendable. I'm sure it was a impressive display of ship to ship combat on your part.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:50:00 - [445] Originally by: Solusar Originally by: Lilan Kahn just got done with the final tallying, have a record news for cva and frinds the cost of removeing 2 large towers and a small tower came with the price tag in man hours of over 60 billion isk. This is one of the most expensive per pos take down in the last year. Made up statistics are always the best. so you disagree with the removal of our 2 large pos's and 1 small pos, not takeing 4600 man hours? "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:55:00 - [446] Originally by: Kinet So, in your own words, AAA engaged the Provi forces while you and 30 elite members of UK sat at a gate, several systems away from the real action, and shot at unarmed pods coming back from the battle. Very commendable. I'm sure it was a impressive display of ship to ship combat on your part. Please refer to reply number 438. Why you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, I don't know. Saying it more than once doesn't make it true.
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:55:00 - [447] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Obviously you are right. I doubt that there are any organisations out there with as deeply rooted animosity as between the noble CVA and the contemptous U'K. You make me giggle.
shadow124	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:55:00 - [448] guys please, don't be so harsh with uk. How many alliances do you guys actually know that made her people believe that loosing all sov systems is a victory? i'd be honest i don't know one. And don't forget, there is a fire of freedom burning somewhere, that is fired by innocent people. Hard to find though, probably cloaked. i actualy wanted to quote some more, but i'll refrain to it to be a bit more efficient. At the end of the day, you'll see what is left, and it won't be much.
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:58:00 - [449] Originally by: shadow124 How many alliances do you guys actually know that made her people believe that loosing all sov systems is a victory? i'd be honest i don't know one. You also make me giggle.
BHaddow Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:05:00 - [450] Originally by: shadow124 How many alliances do you guys actually know that made her people believe that loosing all sov systems is a victory? i'd be honest i don't know one. You value sov too much, our sov was 1 system that wasnt particularly useful for anything, claimed by 1 tower that had been stolen from SSI positioned to lure a fight. If we wanted sov we would of tower spammed the system as Sev3rance have done, clearly they want those rather bad ratting belts ALOT.



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