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Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:24:00 - [151] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief We do not enforce any ROE on anyone. Beyond 'you must be hostile to CVA to be friendly with us,' of course You say this as though it's some shocking revelation. If you read upwards just a bit, you'll see this: Originally by: Becq Starforged Those we choose to fight alongside are subject to their RoE, not our own -- so long as they don't make common cause with slavers. Do you know of any major political movements that make a habit of befriending the friends of those who institutionalize the torture of their kin? Have you made peace with the Sansha or Blooders yet?
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:36:00 - [152] All of a sudden CVA have something to say? Pity noone's listening.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:01:00 - [153] Originally by: Mattduk Pity noone's listening. Someone is always listening. This is why Ushra'Khan are here clarifying their position as well.
Aurevoir Connard	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:29:00 - [154] Very interesting indeed. I am listening really I am, as a freedom loving Gallente woman I believe that if we all just had a drink and relaxed it will be fine. However, as it stands if I fly through providence CVA will not shoot me as long as my intentions are honorable. I ask if I flew through Ushra Khan's areas would you do the same? It is always interesting to hear how 2 people in the same alliance can say different things but they mean the same. We attack only those that support the slavers. Everyone who is in providence supports slavers. Which translates to we kill everyone. Oh it is so nice to pretend it is all for your enslaved brothers but we know the truth, you care nothing for those who are enslaved. You just have personal vendetta's against the inhabitants of the area you used to roam and you are not men enough to admit it. The difference between you and the mercenary corps you hire to protect u, is the mercanary corps dont try to pretend to be somehting they are not, you try to be idealists and freedom fighters, you are mercanaries. At least CVA admits what they truly are, Religous freaks who own slaves. I fslavery is the price I must pay to have a place in 0.0 or low sec I can fly with what little safety can be offered than I say yeah to religous nut jobs. If Ushra Khan can offer me the same thing then yeah to them, but Ushra Khan does not nor do they care to.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:48:00 - [155] If CVA wish to justify their hypocritical stance to Ushra'Khans policy of engagement, they are welcome to start a new GalNet discussion to do just that. This discussion however, is not about the CVA or Providence. It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. If they wish to continue profitable business in the area they have little choice in the long-term but to renounce slavery and embrace freedom. We have demonstrated this clearly. We remain true to our word.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:50:00 - [156] If you're not with Ushra'Khan, you are a "slaver". There is no middle ground, in fact they do not want a middle ground because then they have no moral justification for all the problems they cause.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:51:00 - [157] Originally by: Ironlenny If you're not with Ushra'Khan, you are a "slaver". There is no middle ground, in fact they do not want a middle ground because then they have no moral justification for all the problems they cause. If you do not see slavery as immoral, there is little hope for a diplomatic solution between our alliances.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:54:00 - [158] Originally by: O Thief It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. Don't pop the cork on the champagne just yet. It would be a same if this quote came back to bite you in the rear.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:56:00 - [159] Originally by: Ironlenny Originally by: O Thief It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. Don't pop the cork on the champagne just yet. It would be a same if this quote came back to bite you in the rear. That sad truth is, you have no idea what I am talking about.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:57:00 - [160] Originally by: O Thief If you do not see slavery as immoral, there is little hope for a diplomatic solution between our alliances. Life is not black and white. People will do what they can to survive in the world. When you only give them the option to be for or against you, don't be surprised if they choose the latter.

Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:58:00 - [161] Originally by: O Thief That sad truth is, you have no idea what I am talking about. Please enlighten me, O Great One.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:00:00 - [162] Originally by: Ironlenny Please enlighten me, O Great One. Perhaps you should speak with your alliance leadership, your stance toward us seems a little 'different' to theirs.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:04:00 - [163] Originally by: Ironlenny If you're not with Ushra'Khan, you are a "slaver". There is no middle ground, in fact they do not want a middle ground because then they have no moral justification for all the problems they cause. Reading comprehension for the win. The reasons for SSI being treated as hostile can be found above. If SSI wants to be treated differently, SSI needs to consider how they might make it less obvious that they are pawns of the slaver regime. Here's a hint: broadcasting descriptions of depraved acts with slaves is not the best way to accomplish this. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:04:00 - [164] Last night we had an alliance wide op to hunt Ushra'Khan. I believe our stance is pretty clear.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:05:00 - [165] Originally by: O Thief It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. It shifted when -A- rolled in and set up shop. I'm fairly confident that anything happening in Catch now happens more or less at -A-'s whim; to that end, Ushra'Khan cozying up to -A- doesn't exactly constitute a balance of power shift.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:12:00 - [166] Originally by: Becq Starforged Reading comprehension for the win. Let me spell it out for you. Ushra'Khan sees the world in black and white. They don't take into a count things like Slyph Alliance being willing to help us, and Ushra'Khan not offering any kind of support to make up for what we would lose by setting Slyph to neut or red. It's all about practicality.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:13:00 - [167] Originally by: Ironlenny Last night we had an alliance wide op to hunt Ushra'Khan. I believe our stance is pretty clear. How intruiging. I can only assume, looking at our kill records, that your operation was less than optimally successful. I shall also assume that your alliance leaders orders not to provoke us whilst he tried to negotiate peace was a mirage, shall I? But it is most fascinating that your opinion differs so greatly from that of your leader, and recent diplomatic efforts made by him to bring about mutual positive standings. But if you do indeed speak on behalf of your alliance as you claim, then we look forward to a resumption of full hostilities. As the old pod pilot joke goes... you didn't want those ships/starbases/sovereignty anyway, right?
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:16:00 - [168] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. It shifted when -A- rolled in and set up shop. I'm fairly confident that anything happening in Catch now happens more or less at -A-'s whim; to that end, Ushra'Khan cozying up to -A- doesn't exactly constitute a balance of power shift. You choose to ignore the actual point I was making. I don't blame you. The fact of the matter is that residents of Catch no longer benefit from positive standings with the CVA. You are impotent in Catch (although I do not doubt, strong in Providence). The whole point of this GalNet transmission is to educate and inform those who reside in Catch, that the only logical path is to renounce slavery and embrace freedom. Our position is nothing more than common sense.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:20:00 - [169] Originally by: O Thief But if you do indeed speak on behalf of your alliance as you claim... I have never claimed to speak for my alliance. I am just offering up my own humble opinion of the situation. I am aware that there were attempts at diplomacy recently, but my understanding was that they had come to an end. If that is not the case, then I do apologize for the misunderstanding.
Cribb Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:22:00 - [170] Originally by: Aurevoir Connard If slavery is the price I must pay to have a place in 0.0 or low sec I can fly with what little safety can be offered than I say yeah to religous nut jobs. This line alone will make you a valid target, cause for your own safty you'de be willing to let others suffer. Come to curse fly around and we will not shoot, enter catch or Provi and you risk being shot since those 2 regions are NBSI, every other region we are would be NRDS. And since our stance is widely know it a choice you make not one we enforce. As to SSI they made there chioce to side against us, and now pay the price.

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:10:00 - [171] Originally by: Ironlenny Ushra'Khan sees the world in black and white.They don't take into a count things like Slyph Alliance being willing to help us Sylph we were well aware were helping you. You were seen by our scouts using their jumpbridge network, and we were aware of you passing intel to Sylph pilots about our movements. I hate to sound like a broken recording, but haven't we been over this a few times already? They cant save you. Despite numerical superiority they cant save their own pilots, why would they waste more valuable ships trying to save you?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:12:00 - [172] Edited by: Garreck on 23/01/2009 21:14:14 Originally by: O Thief You are impotent in Catch. Always have been. I think CVA is 0/3 in protecting allies (or, in one of those cases, a potential ally) entrenched in any other region than Providence. The balance of power in Catch is currently "don't get in -A-'s hair and you can exist." Ushra'Khan rhetoric about slavery (and indeed any counter-rhetoric from CVA) doesn't change that balance of power in the slightest. The balance of power was never "CVA will save the day!" The strategic influences in Catch have always been next-level compared to CVA's strategic capability. No change on that front either.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:25:00 - [173] Ive seen CVA riding in to save the day in Catch a few times in the recent past Garreck. I think the first occasion is actually mentioned in the first few pages of this thread, when you responded with a sniper fleet to an equal sized Ushra'Khan fleet. Unfortunatly as our sniper fits didnt contain cloaks (I know, shocking), we had to stand and grind your golden fleet into dust. Shame really.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:31:00 - [174] Originally by: Xennith Ive seen CVA riding in to save the day in Catch a few times in the recent past Garreck. Oh, we certainly fight in Catch. But Ushra'Khan misunderstands the situation badly if they think they're pushing into some sort of pro-slaver, pro-CVA bastion by bullying random organizations in Catch. I won't begrudge Ushra'Khan their kills against CVA vessels...but balance of power shift? It's really a pretty silly concept. When CVA enters Catch, we are the raiders, we are the hunted. Been that way for a spell.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:38:00 - [175] Fair enough, but I'd like to point out that Sylph alliance are very much Pro-CVA and have a firm presence in Catch. Hitting Sylph is hurting the slaver contingent, after all they are one of your... whats the word? "holders"? So yes, beating up on large alliances in Catch can and quite often is in line with the pursuit of the ultimate U'K goal of freedom for all. (Also vengance for some would be nice).
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:44:00 - [176] Sylph are not holders.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:48:00 - [177] Originally by: Solusar Sylph are not holders. Call them what you will, but you fight alongside them, and this makes them more than valid as a target from U'K perspective. They also reside in Catch, of course.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:58:00 - [178] Originally by: Ironlenny I suggest you read my posts more carefully next time, so little misunderstandings like this can be avoided. Perhaps you would be wise to avoid statements such as... Originally by: Ironlenny I believe our stance is pretty clear In the future, if you do not speak for your alliance. Although this is nothing new from SSI, maintaining any kind of coherent dialogue with your alliance is enough to test even the most patient of freedom fighters.
ZAXIMUS	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:42:00 - [179] Has it every occured to your tiny minds that ssi was nuetral to cva and the slavers in prov, and upon your attack they decided to see who hates you and have them help out. Myself i would have just simple asked before blindly attacking some one with out all the fact. But then again uk has never been known for there intelligents.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:54:00 - [180] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Ironlenny I suggest you read my posts more carefully next time, so little misunderstandings like this can be avoided. Perhaps you would be wise to avoid statements such as... Originally by: Ironlenny I believe our stance is pretty clear In the future, if you do not speak for your alliance. Although this is nothing new from SSI, maintaining any kind of coherent dialogue with your alliance is enough to test even the most patient of freedom fighters. i have somthing coherent. But i highly dout it is gonna be want you are expecting.SSI will be making a offical statment on all of this bs very soon.



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