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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.10 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: brandon packy
Some good points here, I still personally believe having a symbol of your triumph over slavers values more than playstyle. On a second note, the prov block doesnt really have any advantage. You guys hold the trump card (the best trump in this theatre i might add) in -A-. Defense isnt really a problem for you guys honestly.
a) If our strategy would rely on -A- bailing us out; we would lose their respect and gain the reputation of beeing incompetent.
As long we dont hold space, we dont need their "backup" - and while this is the case we can be a respected fighting force. We may invite our friends to the party - but our strategy is not relying on their appearance.
Respect and Friendship needs to be earned - not taken for granted.
b) in close combat you learn to stretch the arm _after_ the punch reached the face.
Using an OP as a symbol of triumph would be premature - we can start celebrating once _all_ slaves have been liberated, and the amarr stop their slave raids and vitoc programs.
Until then, we view outposts and territory only as stepstones on our way.
It would actually be interesting to learn about friendly freedom loving alliances that wish to obtain such a "stepstone".
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brandon packy
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Posted - 2009.02.10 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
a) If our strategy would rely on -A- bailing us out; we would lose their respect and gain the reputation of beeing incompetent.
I wouldn't necessarily call it bailing out. The Prov block can throw out peak fleet size of almost 400-500 people (in defense of home systems) and close to 100 any given day. Many alliances cannot sustain fights against that size of groups. I would attribute the "assistance" by -A- to be attributed more to greed for killing than bailing you out. It isn't a burden for -A- to help kill enemy targets, this you can be assured of. Case in point with the battle in GE-94x this weekend. -A- seemed eager to kill those 30 frigates from lfa, and got extra kills as a result. With -A-, there is no rp goal in mind, all they want is kills and fights, and a force that attracts prov block pilots away from their plethora of stations would be welcome allies of -A-. |
zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: brandon packy With -A-, there is no rp goal in mind,
what is this term "RP-goal" you talk about? anyways, would we base our strategy on their "assistance" then our strategy would be a weak house of cards in the moment -A- is distracted somewhere else in new eden. They have their own agenda, and we respected that from the beginning on. Theyre good ompany, theyre formidable fighters - and so far i have not seen slaves in their stations. But in the fight against the slavers the responsibility is ours to carry it forward.
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Jon Rocks
Amarr Rothana Heavy Industries The Black Isle
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:08:00 -
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So what you just said from what I gather is. If -A- did become slavers you would have to remove them also? Or would RP have to take a back seat all of a sudden.
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O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Rocks So what you just said from what I gather is. If -A- did become slavers you would have to remove them also?
Well, if you're going to grasp at ridiculous hypotheticals, I'm afraid you're not going to get a serious answer from us.
What you've stated isn't going to happen - and thats the only answer you need.
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brandon packy
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Posted - 2009.02.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan what is this term "RP-goal" you talk about?
In essence -A- is not trying to do anything outside of being the best alliance with the most kills and defeating anything that walks in front of them. They do not want to specifically free slaves like UK or extend amarrian sovereignty like CVA. All they wish is to kill.
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O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 21:46:00 -
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Update on something which caused some laughter amougst the warriors of the U'K...
Whilst routinely checking SSI POS, we discovered an Archon floating slightly outside of the shields (!)... A pilot was quickly located, and immediate exit cyno secured.
The vessel is now safely in the custody of U'K and all slaves have been freed. This is the latest donation from SSI to U'K and comes on top of 3 large Amarr towers and many faction POS modules. As ever, we are grateful and these assets will be put to good use in the fight for freedom!
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Micia
Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.12 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Micia on 12/02/2009 06:31:10 System Shock Initiative have given us so many free assets for the taking, that I suspect they are closet-allies.
We appreciate the assistance, SSI. _______
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: brandon packy
Originally by: zoolkhan what is this term "RP-goal" you talk about?
In essence -A- is not trying to do anything outside of being the best alliance with the most kills and defeating anything that walks in front of them. They do not want to specifically free slaves like UK or extend amarrian sovereignty like CVA. All they wish is to kill.
...it appears AAA is macrching the same direction and hitting the same old enemy as we are and as long that is the case its all good. As long the results are convincing, i dont question their motives.
Certainly our paths may part one day because of the different motivations. But that is not today or anytime soon.
We have been shooting AAA in the past, and vice versa And frankly that was how the mutual respect was generated.
Our relations are highly professional today, and we enjoy their friendship as long it is of mutual benefit.
recruiting -forum
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Il Morte
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief Update on something which caused some laughter amougst the warriors of the U'K...
Whilst routinely checking SSI POS, we discovered an Archon floating slightly outside of the shields (!)... A pilot was quickly located, and immediate exit cyno secured.
The vessel is now safely in the custody of U'K and all slaves have been freed.
I can not believe what I read in this report. I spilled mulled wine all over my tunic and choked on some long limb roes.
SSI is truly the ultimate in fail. Why do they even pretend to still exisit. Last checked it seemed their corps are starting to leave, the leadership is a joke and they are not even pretending to put up any kind of defense whatsoever let alone even a presence.
Somebody truly needs to remove them one way or another. Short of the amusement they are causing UK, I beseach you to wipe them out once and for all as I get disgusted at the ineptitude of the (I can't even call them an alliance) SSI. Either that or someone else in the area needs to remove them as well. I can not believe that they are tolerated in any way by either Sylph or CVA or anyone else in the area for that matter.
My only hope is that when the (I want to type leadership of ssi but that would be a joke wouldn't it) get podded the clone bays malfuction and they are truly lost tothe cosmos, or someone needs to send them to biomass chambers, for they truly are making a mockery of pod pilots across the galaxy, I call out to you pilots to rid the cosmos of SSI. Destroy them completly, I can not stand to hear about their epic failures anymore.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.12 15:41:00 -
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As SSI moved into the area with the support of the Providence Bloc, I would expect the slaver forces to continue to support SSI rather than betray them when their assistance is most needed. A reputation for backstabbing your allies would be hard to shake off, especially given the history of the area and the forces involved.
SSI will be gone soon enough Im sure, their presence in their station system is now something of a rarity and with a bit more pressure, should be a thing of the past. |
O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.12 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: O Thief on 12/02/2009 21:13:31
A wondefully enjoyable day today!
A few days ago orders were sent out via Alliance channels. They were as follows;
"Have an RR BS ready for Thursday, and make sure you insure it, we're going to fight even if outnumbered!"
You see, we haven't really been getting many 'good fights' recently (outside of very one sided engagements with Sylph) and we needed to relieve some tension. We wandered up to ERVK, a Sylph station system a short distance from Paxton and CVA space. We then proceeded to incapacitate the Repair Service. This attracted the attention we were looking for. After incapacitating it, we knew of three gangs heading our way, and knew we were outgunned.
Paxton, Sylph, and CVA formed fleets and headed toward us. We decided to bite first, and jumped into the roughly equally sized Paxton gang (40 each side). We knew this was a fight to the death before reinforcements arrived. The fight started very well, we had the upper hand, and shortly after wards around an extra 55 CVA and Co jumped in.
Of course, we lost the upper hand, we knew this would happen but wanted to inflict as much damage as possible before the extra 60 arrived. The final kill report states that 107 Paxton/CVA/Sylph vessels engaged 41 Ushra'Khan. We destroyed around 10 Battleships, and lost about 20. Overall, highly enjoyable and considering the odds we did rather well
We then jumped straight into HAC's from our fresh clones, and raced to GMLH where our POS was being assaulted by a 25 man FLA frigate gang. They did not seem to be equipped with MWD's, so we warped a HIC on top of them, then jumped in the HAC's. The result was, of course, a turkey shoot. One small beam was incapacitated.
Whilst we may share different ideologies, it is good to see that the Providence dwellers love of a good fight is undiminished. We thank them for this evenings entertainment, and hope Sylph enjoy repping up their station services. We will be back for more.
I wonder if any of these holders (including CVA) will find the courage to engage us on a one to one basis at any point? Time will tell!
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Hardin
Amarr Important Internet Corp Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.02.12 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 12/02/2009 23:03:02
Hah a terrorist complaining about numbers yet members of his alliance happily murder innocent traders in Amarrian Providence without any such qualms about 'fair fights'. We have no obligation to the enemies of Amarr other than to cleanse them! ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.12 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief I wonder if any of these holders (including CVA) will find the courage to engage us on a one to one basis at any point? Time will tell!
Just recently in KW-I6T, Exile Consortium engaged a mixed gang of 14 Ushra'khan heavy assault cruisers, recon cruisers and various support with 7 tech one cruisers. The results were even more one-sided in favor of CVA forces.
So I suppose time has already told...?
Let's not drag this discussion to the level of who has done what with what numbers. It's redundant to point out that either side tries to outnumber and outgun the other at any given time.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:03:00 -
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yes garreck, i remember that fight from our records, it started a debate internally about the use of multiple logistics ships and tech 1 cruisers. a most effective strategy, my compliments to whomever devised it.
as far as the absence of cloaks on our battleships goes, they wouldnt have helped much in this engagement and so were stripped off by our crews and handed to our scientists who are attempting to create a super cloak that can be fitted to a starbase control tower.
i felt naked without one to be quite honest, but managed to go down in true Ushra'Khan style anyway, ship subsystems taking massive heat damage from the strain as i plowed full speed into the nearest slaver ship. |
O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 12/02/2009 23:03:02
Hah a terrorist complaining about numbers yet members of his alliance happily murder innocent traders in Amarrian Providence without any such qualms about 'fair fights'. We have no obligation to the enemies of Amarr other than to cleanse them!
It would further your end if I *had* complained about numbers, but alas, no such complaint exists in my report.
A factual recollection of numbers, certainly, but no complaints. We are safe in the knowledge that no individual Providence dweller has the courage to engage us on equal terms, so we must indeed fight outnumbered. That is necessity.
Sometimes, indeed often, fights go our way depsite this, other times it is not so. On balance however, win more than we lose by a very significant margin.
Ships are easily replaced, but the cowardly reputation of the Providence dwellers stains them forever. We act alone, we are proud to do so, and the results of our current campaign speak volumes about our capability and prowess on the battlefield!
For freedom!
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O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: O Thief I wonder if any of these holders (including CVA) will find the courage to engage us on a one to one basis at any point? Time will tell!
Just recently in KW-I6T, Exile Consortium engaged a mixed gang of 14 Ushra'khan heavy assault cruisers, recon cruisers and various support with 7 tech one cruisers. The results were even more one-sided in favor of CVA forces.
So I suppose time has already told...?
Let's not drag this discussion to the level of who has done what with what numbers. It's redundant to point out that either side tries to outnumber and outgun the other at any given time.
Garreck, you are of course quite right.
Why only yesterday, a 9 man CVA gang of HAC's and Command Ships engaged a 7 man U'K HAC gang and lost all of their ships without killing anything. So indeed, small scale engagements of the type you mention do occur. I should have made that more clear in my report. Thank you for picking me up on this.
However, I would suggest that small fights such as this are somehow different to ones involving larger ships, where the stakes are percieved to be higher. I've yet to see any evidence of CVA committing alone against us in fights of this nature, without a plethora of 'holders' accompanying them.
That is of course your choice, however I am not wrong when I point this out, for the evidence is plain to see.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief however I am not wrong when I point this out
Well sure you are, but that's a non-issue. If you want a sparring match, I'm sure it can be arranged. If you want to bring your fleets too close to Providence without such premade arrangements, they'll be dispatched in short order by however many residents get organized first.
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brandon packy
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Posted - 2009.02.13 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Well sure you are, but that's a non-issue. If you want a sparring match, I'm sure it can be arranged. If you want to bring your fleets too close to Providence without such premade arrangements, they'll be dispatched in short order by however many residents get organized first.
It is CVA's choice to only fight when they have no chance of losing (3:1 usually seems right), but i cant help but to agree with butterdog in that the prov block uses their slaver pets as cannon fodder to protect their own losses.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.13 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: brandon packy
It is CVA's choice to only fight when they have no chance of losing
That's the standard propeganda line, yes. The truth, of course, is that it is our choice to fight the enemies of God with whatever's on hand and leave the discussions of what is fair and what isn't to the defeated.
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 07:09:00 -
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We have fought outnumbered for a very long time now , it is something we relish . We expect CVA to come running to his masters voice Sylph when it cries for help as Sylph are strong in numbers , but weak in fighting prowess . This Hardin who speaks for the Amarr Empire ....... what race , beliefs does he speak for this week ?. I can no longer keep up with his many alliances than Sylphs massive jump bridge network they rely on to hide from our fleets . Sylph failed to help SSI , to save their own assets , their history shows they can no more be trusted today than they were in the days of Unity . Who will be the first in the Providence Block to fight over the scraps ??!! .
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Morden Nok
Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.13 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief
Why only yesterday, a 9 man CVA gang of HAC's and Command Ships engaged a 7 man U'K HAC gang and lost all of their ships without killing anything. So indeed, small scale engagements of the type you mention do occur. I should have made that more clear in my report. Thank you for picking me up on this.
Why do you keep lying when we can easily check your "facts". U'K did lose 2 Recon ships there, so how did CVA "lose all of their ships without killing anything"?
Now, you did win fight hands down still and it's very much possible that Conlin and Seliah have issues posting their losses thus making your records completely untrustworthy.
On the other hand, you and Butterdog have been caught lying multiple times before...
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 08:06:00 -
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Both of those losses show up in our records, I believe that O theif was mistaken, as neither he nor I were part of this engagement.
Luckily for all of us, Ombey was involved and has written up a battle report here |
O Thief
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: O Thief on 13/02/2009 08:16:15
Originally by: Morden Nok
Why do you keep lying when we can easily check your "facts". U'K did lose 2 Recon ships there, so how did CVA "lose all of their ships without killing anything"?
Now, you did win fight hands down still and it's very much possible that Conlin and Seliah have issues posting their losses thus making your records completely untrustworthy.
On the other hand, you and Butterdog have been caught lying multiple times before...
My sincere apologies if my report was incorrect. I was working from memory on this occasion, you are quite right it should have read 'the CVA gang was completely destroyed for only two losses'. I was simply responding to Garreck's obvious trivialisation of the point I was making by recalling small irrelevent fights.
The point however remains true, and intact - CVA are risk averse. You don't ever engage U'K alone in larger fights outside small roaming gangs when odds are remotely even. That is your choice, and I respect you for that. We each have our own agendas.
However, despite this, and despite U'K's love of fighting which means we do often enter fights where we are outnumbered from the start, we do still tend to come out better for it. Our current campaign in catch has netted 2,100 kills in a month, for a mere fraction of losses, speaks volumes about our skill on the battlefield.
The Providence holders know this. They know we're not just a rag-tag bunch, but we have resolve and skill. It is a tribute to that skill that they feel to compelled only with overwhelming numerical superiority. No greater compliment can be paid to our combat skill than that - and we thank you for it.
However, allow me to take issue with your 'you have been caught lying on multiple occasions before' accusation - when, exactly, has this happened? I'd like to challenge you on that, and I suspect you cannot justify your accusation. But please, try.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Morden Nok
Why do you keep lying when we can easily check your "facts". U'K did lose 2 Recon ships there, so how did CVA "lose all of their ships without killing anything"?
Now, you did win fight hands down still and it's very much possible that Conlin and Seliah have issues posting their losses thus making your records completely untrustworthy.
On the other hand, you and Butterdog have been caught lying multiple times before...
How petty and very un-Amarrian of you. Go fix yourself. Once you have unshamed yourself a bit, feel free to come back and post a correction to any inaccuracy like a proper Amarrian gentleman would. I'm sure if there was a mistake, O Thief is not too proud to admit it and would like it rectified
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Jkol0
COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 09:55:00 -
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O Thief is a true Ushra'Khan warrior, one that believes in fighting for the freedom of all people. An amarrian like yourself could never understand this, and will forever be blinded by your false religion toward fake gods that know nothing more than to enslave others.
Go back to your temples and pray for the forgiveness that your false gods could never give you. Ushra'Khan will soon be with you to end the suffering that your false religion has created.
Go.
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Conlin
Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Morden Nok
Originally by: O Thief
Why only yesterday, a 9 man CVA gang of HAC's and Command Ships engaged a 7 man U'K HAC gang and lost all of their ships without killing anything. So indeed, small scale engagements of the type you mention do occur. I should have made that more clear in my report. Thank you for picking me up on this.
Why do you keep lying when we can easily check your "facts". U'K did lose 2 Recon ships there, so how did CVA "lose all of their ships without killing anything"?
Now, you did win fight hands down still and it's very much possible that Conlin and Seliah have issues posting their losses thus making your records completely untrustworthy.
On the other hand, you and Butterdog have been caught lying multiple times before...
It seems your intel could possibly be very untrustworthy ................
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.13 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jkol0
Go back to your temples and pray for the forgiveness that your false gods could never give you. Ushra'Khan will soon be with you to end the suffering that your false religion has created.
Go.
Ushra'Khan (and its predecessor corps) have been saying that for nearly six years now.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 11:05:00 -
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We're working on it Rodj. I suppose by the same token we could point out that despite the best efforts of the Amarrian Empire and its supporters, the Ushra'Khan are still here, still fighting, still refusing to lay down and die, still standing up for the voiceless.
Nobody is pretending that our fight is an easy one, but we fight it anyway, because we must and because we can. Progress has been made, setbacks suffered. As in any war, and this war isnt over until the last freedom fighter dies with a defiant snarl on his lips. |
shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.13 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: O Thief I wonder if any of these holders (including CVA) will find the courage to engage us on a one to one basis at any point? Time will tell!
Just recently in KW-I6T, Exile Consortium engaged a mixed gang of 14 Ushra'khan heavy assault cruisers, recon cruisers and various support with 7 tech one cruisers. The results were even more one-sided in favor of CVA forces.
So I suppose time has already told...?
Let's not drag this discussion to the level of who has done what with what numbers. It's redundant to point out that either side tries to outnumber and outgun the other at any given time.
The fact all you can cite when questioned about, only CVA against U'K, one on one fights is a small roaming gang engagement it sums it up really. It never happens, we're always alone, you with 5/6 other alliances in your fleets.
The cloest thing we had to a proper fight just the two of us, we pretty much wiped out your entire fleet, which if I remember did have a few Providence allies in it, in fact if you read back I'm sure me and Mr. Solusar were discussing it at some point. I believe he was rather upset with the outcome if my memory serves me right, as it demonstrated that without your usual luxuries of overwhelming numbers and bridges you areàI would describe as rusty when it comes to tactical fights that actually require some thought besides just forming a huge fleet and bulldozing through everyone.
Your mistake is thinking your luxaries will last forever. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
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