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O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.28 22:30:00 - [1] The bright lights of freedom still burn in Catch. A beacon to those countless millions enduring suffering in Providence at the hands of slavers. But dark times fall upon this region. Friends of slavers are not welcome in Catch, even more so during diffucult times. War is no excuse for an increase in human trafficking. It is the determination of UK that liberty and freedom shall remain, where possible. If you side with slavers you are a target. We shall relentlessly identify and harrass the assets of slavers in this region. We shall slaughter your warship fleets, and your industrial traffic. You have a choice. Support freedom. The UK hold no grudges against those who see the error of their ways. Your time in Catch shall not be profitable if you fail to renounce slavery, of that you can be assured.
Karath Piki	Posted - 2008.12.29 01:10:00 - [2] I hear the pain of your soul, longing for the grace of God, in the silences between the words you give us. Some day, you will realize the bliss in submitting to God's chosen and working penance for your sins.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.12.29 01:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Karath Piki Some day, you will realize the bliss in submitting to God's chosen and working penance for your sins. Oh poor deluded old man - what will you do when your god fails you? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Vikarion on 29/12/2008 02:24:29 My mistake - edited.
Karath Piki	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:19:00 - [5] Edited by: Karath Piki on 29/12/2008 02:22:11 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Karath Piki Some day, you will realize the bliss in submitting to God's chosen and working penance for your sins. Oh poor deluded old man - what will you do when your god fails you? Interesting linguistic conundrum-- asking a question implying inevitability ("when") of an impossibility ("your God fails you"). I am of the understanding that most cultures had some form of belief system, perhaps yours permits fallible spirits that explain personal or team failures, or can be redefined to fit popular opinion. Needless to say, that description does not fit the absolute of the Creator, or His ineffable will.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Vikarion Catch - currently infiltrated and largely controlled by the Angel Cartel. The Angel Cartel: a pirate faction involved in drug-running, slavery, prostitution, murder, kidnapping, racketeering, and many other illegal activities. Might I suggest directing interdiction efforts against the Cartel as well as your favorite Amarrian holders? Perhaps you are getting confused with Curse?
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:24:00 - [7] Oh, hmm, I misread Catch as Cache on my mapping software. My apologies. Of course, you might consider making efforts against any Angels you see in Catch, too, though I daresay there will be precious few. How embarrassing.
Xeronn Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:34:00 - [8] a side effect of Her Majesty`s gracious act is an influx of terrorist threats across Galnet I urge loyal honest citizen of all races and nations to disreguard such void threats , be assured the Empire will meet with deadly force any such terrorist foolish enough to take action against civilian or military ships , anywhere in or outside Empire borders .
Xeronn Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Vikarion Oh, hmm, I misread Catch as Cache on my mapping software. My apologies. Of course, you might consider making efforts against any Angels you see in Catch, too, though I daresay there will be precious few. How embarrassing. for a moment there i thought angels in curse got bored and moved over to catch aswell in order to battle the Sansha For that matter , i have some captures of thuker ships working together with sansha ships against Amarr navy ships...perhaps someone will find those..interesting in light of recent developements in the tribal space
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 10:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Xeronn a side effect of Her Majesty`s gracious act is an influx of terrorist threats across Galnet I urge loyal honest citizen of all races and nations to disreguard such void threats , be assured the Empire will meet with deadly force any such terrorist foolish enough to take action against civilian or military ships , anywhere in or outside Empire borders . You cannot protect them as you demonstrated yesterday. To make matters worse to bolster your fleet numbers you forced these "citizens" to join, and their blood and bits of their ships now litter upper Catch, along with you their masters. The empire is strong in Providence, there is no question of that. But your arrogence of thinking you can cast your will and control outside will only end with more blood spilt from your pilots, and those you force to die alongside you. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.29 14:46:00 - [11] Originally by: shanda captison Originally by: Xeronn a side effect of Her Majesty`s gracious act is an influx of terrorist threats across Galnet I urge loyal honest citizen of all races and nations to disreguard such void threats , be assured the Empire will meet with deadly force any such terrorist foolish enough to take action against civilian or military ships , anywhere in or outside Empire borders . You cannot protect them as you demonstrated yesterday. Im sorry did you reinforce the POS you were siegeing or not? Ofcourse I do look forward to the logic that you "destroyed more ships than we lost therefore we won even if we failed in our strategic objectives", or that you never planned to destroy the tower or whichever way you wish to spin it for our amusement. You did indeed win the initial fight when we entered the system with 13 battleships jumping into your bubble camp with 23 battleships at 150km. But as always you failed to press the advantage and left the system. We have seen it many times before and we will see it many times in the future. If the best you can do is fail to reinforce a single medium control tower then things are not going to change. It is nice to see that the diplomatic approach you used to turn all of Providence against you is now being used in Catch. Why bother doing research on people when its easier to just presume things and start shooting. Freedom indeed.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.12.29 15:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Karath Piki Interesting linguistic conundrum-- asking a question implying inevitability ("when") of an impossibility ("your God fails you"). Being a fictional entity, the chances of your god failing you when you require its help are 1 in 1. No conundrum here, sir. Originally by: Karath Piki I am of the understanding that most cultures had some form of belief system, perhaps yours permits fallible spirits that explain personal or team failures, or can be redefined to fit popular opinion. Needless to say, that description does not fit the absolute of the Creator, or His ineffable will. If it's ineffable (unknowable, indescribable), how do you know that it's infallible? It can't (knowingly) be both. If it is ineffable, it's impossible to know whether it's infallible or not. Conversely, if it's infallible, what need would it have to be ineffable? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 15:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Solusar Im sorry did you reinforce the POS you were siegeing or not? Let's think about this a second, shall we? You arrived to 'save' your friends, and were promptly decimated (along with them)... with only a single lost battleship on the UK side. Our fleet was entirely intact. And yet, with total control of the field, and your few remaining ships bouncing between safe spots, we looted and left. Why would we do that, if our genuine concern was reinforcing the POS? The answer is simple. We don't care about the POS. We care about disprupting the activities of slavers in Catch and making life as inconvenient and difficult as possible. We expected the POS to give us the opporunity of a battle on the exit of reinforced. But luck was on our side, and you arrived early, saving us a considerable amount of ammunition in the process. The point remains: the friends of slavers are no friends of ours, and have no business in a free region such as Catch. But it is not too late for them, should they choose to renounce slavery the UK will hold no grudges.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 15:19:00 - [14] Edited by: Xennith on 29/12/2008 15:19:43 Actually Solusar, our kill records show you engaging with an equal sized sniper fleet and losing. Theres been a lot of speculation within the Ushra'Khan on if your decision to fight with even odds was due to faulty intel, arrogance, or a change in your MO, I had hoped for the later personally, but I know its unlikely.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 15:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Solusar Im sorry did you reinforce the POS you were siegeing or not? Ofcourse I do look forward to the logic that you "destroyed more ships than we lost therefore we won even if we failed in our strategic objectives", or that you never planned to destroy the tower or whichever way you wish to spin it for our amusement. You did indeed win the initial fight when we entered the system with 13 battleships jumping into your bubble camp with 23 battleships at 150km. But as always you failed to press the advantage and left the system. We have seen it many times before and we will see it many times in the future. If the best you can do is fail to reinforce a single medium control tower then things are not going to change. It is nice to see that the diplomatic approach you used to turn all of Providence against you is now being used in Catch. Why bother doing research on people when its easier to just presume things and start shooting. Freedom indeed. Ah nothing tastes better then bitter slaver fleet commander tears. Firstly if youÆre going to moan about how we were setup on the gate; donÆt jump in, or come up with better tactics rather then sitting there and dying. Next it was 23 BS against our 18 with total gangs roughly even at just over 40 ships. DonÆt forget when reading your battle report that you need to include your pets that lost ships aswell, including a very nice officer and deadspace fitted Abaddon I might add. You see helpers of the slavers, your master CVA dont recognise you at all. Why keep needlessly sacrificing your ships for overlords who dont even know you exist? Anyway your support were outclassed and your battleships were too static and not controlled properly - which was obvious when some came back in once an obvious retreat had been called. Originally by: Solusar It is nice to see that the diplomatic approach you used to turn all of Providence against you is now being used in Catch. Why bother doing research on people when its easier to just presume things and start shooting. Freedom indeed. And this is just priceless. Providence wasnÆt against us before? That is nice to know that even after destroying billions of isk worth of assets, along with a couple of OrcaÆs recently, that the Providence dwellers still liked us. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 15:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Solusar Originally by: shanda captison Originally by: Xeronn a side effect of Her Majesty`s gracious act is an influx of terrorist threats across Galnet I urge loyal honest citizen of all races and nations to disreguard such void threats , be assured the Empire will meet with deadly force any such terrorist foolish enough to take action against civilian or military ships , anywhere in or outside Empire borders . You cannot protect them as you demonstrated yesterday. Im sorry did you reinforce the POS you were siegeing or not? Ofcourse I do look forward to the logic that you "destroyed more ships than we lost therefore we won even if we failed in our strategic objectives", or that you never planned to destroy the tower or whichever way you wish to spin it for our amusement. You did indeed win the initial fight when we entered the system with 13 battleships jumping into your bubble camp with 23 battleships at 150km. But as always you failed to press the advantage and left the system. We have seen it many times before and we will see it many times in the future. If the best you can do is fail to reinforce a single medium control tower then things are not going to change. It is nice to see that the diplomatic approach you used to turn all of Providence against you is now being used in Catch. Why bother doing research on people when its easier to just presume things and start shooting. Freedom indeed. He ought to take a closer look at his family tree. There must have been a lot of lemons ........
Supay Caldari The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 19:12:00 - [17] Edited by: Supay on 29/12/2008 19:12:15 I think we all know to what we can attribute the sudden loss in performance of the Amarrian fleets. With the recent emancipation of a large number of their highly skilled slaves, the fat, decadent and inbred-brain damaged Amarrians are obviously unable to manage their ships themselves. .
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 22:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Solusar Originally by: shanda captison Originally by: Xeronn a side effect of Her Majesty`s gracious act is an influx of terrorist threats across Galnet I urge loyal honest citizen of all races and nations to disreguard such void threats , be assured the Empire will meet with deadly force any such terrorist foolish enough to take action against civilian or military ships , anywhere in or outside Empire borders . You cannot protect them as you demonstrated yesterday. Im sorry did you reinforce the POS you were siegeing or not? . Mission Accomplished . The offending object has been removed . We of the Ushra'Khan continue our fight on the slavers !
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.29 22:44:00 - [19] Edited by: Solusar on 29/12/2008 22:44:57 Thankyou for proving my point Ushra'Khan. Everything that happens in the system for 1 hour before CVA jump in count as battle numbers Everyone that lives in catch is automatically part of CVA fleets. Please continue. Failing to reinforce a single medium tower and claiming victory is brilliant.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 22:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Solusar Edited by: Solusar on 29/12/2008 22:44:57 Thankyou for proving my point Ushra'Khan. Everything that happens in the system for 1 hour before CVA jump in count as battle numbers Everyone that lives in catch is automatically part of CVA fleets. Please continue. Failing to reinforce a single medium tower and claiming victory is brilliant. Most interesting. I must inform the UK Council that you know our objectives better than we apparently do. We define victory as a fairly evenly matched fight, in which we wipe out your fleet for what even the most bitter amarrian slaver would call 'minimal losses'. We then loot your wrecks, celebrate, and return with the spoils of war. We certainly could have carried on shooting the tower if that had been our goal. You were in no position to stop us, having just lost your entire fleet bar a few battleships cowering in safe spots. Think about that. The facts at hand are as follows: you lost a fight. We achieved our objective of forcing one. If we cared for that random tower on an unprecious moon in a system we do not claim, we would have finished shooting it, and you could not have prevented us from doing so. The fact of the matter is that you don't have the first clue what our objectives were. The other fact of the matter, something we can both clearly see, is that your 'golden fleet' met a fiery end at the hands of those who fight for freedom. When you look at the actual events, rather than your groundless hypothesising, it was a victory no matter how much you may squirm or spin. Away from the Jump Bridges and pet meatshields of Providence, the CVA are just another fighting force. Competent enough, oh yes, but prone to errors of judgement like anyone. Perhaps you underestimated us? You know the solution, bring twice the numbers next time - it always worked for you in the past.

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 22:59:00 - [21] i count more than 13 CVA BSs, even discounting the one we killed earlier, and of course not including your support fleet, or the pets who turned up flying expensive ships far beyond them. looks like somebody in cva is not reporting their loses.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 23:06:00 - [22] We killed only 1 battleship before the main fight itself. There are 18 CVA + friends battleships on my kill report. I think that concludes the numbers discussion. Support numbers were initially equal.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.29 23:52:00 - [23] Edited by: shanda captison on 29/12/2008 23:52:44 Originally by: Solusar Edited by: Solusar on 29/12/2008 22:50:34 Thankyou for proving my point Ushra'Khan. Everything that happens in the system for 1 hour before CVA jump in count as battle numbers Everyone that lives in catch is automatically part of CVA fleets. CVA jumped in exactly 13 battleships vs your 23. Random catch residents that you destroyed for no reason prior to this event do not count in CVA fleet numbers, or is that how numbers are decided these days? Please continue. Failing to reinforce a single medium tower and claiming victory is brilliant. If you're going to be emo about losing fleets to us, next time just stay at home. You were out FCed and out skilled, just take it as a loss and let it go slaver. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Karin Katari Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.30 01:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Solusar ...CVA jumped in exactly 13 battleships vs your 23.... ...Failing to reinforce a single medium tower and claiming victory is brilliant. Yes, because putting the tower into reinforcement was our objective... rolls eyes I understand if you want to make yourself feel better but back it up with something. Actions speak louder than words, and our actions have proven you can't just toss us aside or recruit us into your army of pets and slaves. Additionally, I saw more than just 13 battleships. In fact the first battle had 16 Battleships in your "glorious" fleet according to my camera drones recordings. More came, and more died. Pretty simple if you think about it. For Our People, Karin
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.30 22:18:00 - [25] Wasted journeys are the best journeys. In another vain attempt to protect slavers in Catch, CVA called upon their Providence allies this evening, since they were unable to match UK alone, and took them on a wasted trip. UK, acting alone, had camped a key travel pipe for two hours unchallenged, netting several profitable kills, and during the ensuing boredom incapped several faction mods on a slaver deathstar POS. Because we could. After their defeat in the last more evenly matched engagement, CVA came down heavy with double the number of battleships we fielded this evening, thanks to support from Paxton and Sylph. The CVA seem completely unable to face UK alone, they once again call upon pets and slaves to bolster numbers, and their own shattered confidence. The warriors of the UK find it quite hilarious that this once proud and confident foe now needs the support of several alliances (all each individually larger than UK) before considering a fight. And even then, the best they can manage is a wasted journey... the warriors of UK simply moved two jumps to a station system belonging to our friends in the freedom loving -A- alliance. The rabble went home with nothing. Not a single kill. Slavers and their assets will be harrassed in Catch. You are not safe until you renounce slavery. Your time here will not be profitable, but UK are forgiving people and you need only renounce the slavers to be welcomed with open arms. The CVA might well consider their own credibility, in being unable to face UK alone in battle. How the mighty have fallen.
Cribb Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.30 23:00:00 - [26] ..CVA jumped in exactly 13 battleships vs your 23.... ...Failing to reinforce a single medium tower and claiming victory is brilliant. Really i looked at the kb and the battle was 4 ships in our favor 16 of those where CVA batttleships so you might urge your members to give a precise ship count when leaving home. Sure we had theupperhand, but that is what counts in a battle. So stop whining that we not destroyed our target. Cause we met our target perfectly. You came and lost. ------- When in doubt, play loud
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2008.12.30 23:10:00 - [27] lets see were do i start as far as i know my allaince does not support slavery basicly cause we dont roleplay and as far as cva slpyh and the rest of providence coming down to help out that would be because your trying to oppress my allaince in to being slaves for you when you ya self are slaves and pets of -a- we came out as neutral party to a place that was unclaimed we did our own logistics and building of everything we have with out help from any one ....there were no diplomate contact with us by you guys at all cpt you you showed up and started shooting my ppl.your then drove us to get closer ties with the the very ppl you dislike with ya constant attacks and you then fall back on ya rp to justicify it as attacking slavers no sir if any one is at fault it is you and ya epic failed rping.and farther more you did not run 2 jumps away as we had scout at the station system belonging to -a- you sir ran all the way back to curse and now you spout off in here nowing not many ppl will read it cause is a uk thread good day you and yours thugs,terrorist and slaver wanna be's
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.30 23:23:00 - [28] We come for your people. Due to the Empresses' decree there is a need for more slaves to be taken in. Thou I think O thief and his master are far from being able to be reconditioned properly. CVA's stance is clear, we will come and aid allies when asked. I clearly cannot help it that everyone in providence wants to shoot you . We cannot determine who comes, or who shows up to assit allies, all we can do is continue the true path to enlightment. Perhaps one day, soon, we'll get to have a decent show. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.30 23:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Kelban Kevar lets see were do i start as far as i know my allaince does not support slavery basicly cause we dont roleplay and as far as cva slpyh and the rest of providence coming down to help out, that would be because your trying to oppress my allaince in to being slaves for you, when you ya self are slaves and pets of -a- we came out as neutral party to a place that was unclaimed we did our own logistics and building of everything we have with out help from any one ....there were no diplomate contact with us by you guys at all cpt you you showed up and started shooting my ppl. your then drove us to get closer ties with the the very ppl you dislike with ya constant attacks and you then fall back on ya rp to justicify it as attacking slavers no sir if any one is at fault it is you and ya epic failed rping. and farther more you did not run 2 jumps away as we had scout at the station system belonging to -a- you sir ran all the way back to curse and now you spout off in here nowing not many ppl will read it cause is a uk thread good day you and yours thugs,terrorist and slaver wanna be's [OOC: I made some amendments to your post in order to make it a little easier on the eyes, hope that is okay /OOC] Where shall we start? Lets try the beginning. We know you made arrangements with those sickening slaver supporters in Sylph alliance regarding your relocation, we know members of your alliance are active in their intel channels reporting UK movements. This was all in place before you deployed your outpost. We also know that your alliance is CVA friendly. And, that you will respect their engagement rules and blue lists, you are nothing but a slavers pet. This was all in place before you were red to us. In addition, we know it is your alliance goal (you state it publically on your Galnet site) to grow to 1000 members and then reset standings with CVA and Sylph, using them as a prop whilst you grow, and then adopt full NBSI. So, not only are you working hand-in-hand with slavers, you lie and cheat too. Your alliance diplomats have repeatedly requested blue standings over the past few days. And yet, you will not renounce slavery. You refuse to embrace freedom, free from the shackles of the CVA, despite your intention to backstab them in the future. We cannot be friends with those who support the depraved slavers who live in Providence. We have explained this to you many times. Now you call in slavers on your side again. The asteroid belts will run red with the blood of your pilots. Your assets will be constantly harrassed. Your lives will be made impossible. The fact is, your lives in Catch will not be a living hell until you publically renounce slavery and the CVA. You will find only misery in Catch, as things currently stand. You will not find profitable business here. You have a choice. Think about your options very carefully.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2008.12.31 00:28:00 - [30] good play at twisting the truth there to fit ya needs and as far as nbsi it we run that now during ops as far as a reset goes those that have always helped out and we repesct arnet going anywere. as far as leing and cheating goes we have done nothing like taht i think your just ****ed we have acomplished much in our short time by ourselves and your just a bit jealous perhaps out there living in a npc region after all

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 00:49:00 - [31] So when you were seen using hostile jumpbridges to perform logistics you were neutral? When they let you take your systems you were neutral to them? When you gained access to their intel channels and started reporting our movements you were what? Neutral? Dont make the mistake of thinking that we are stupid. Dont claim to be anything other than a CVA/Providence group lacky.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 00:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Kelban Kevar good play at twisting the truth there to fit ya needs and as far as nbsi it we run that now during ops as far as a reset goes those that have always helped out and we repesct arnet going anywere. as far as leing and cheating goes we have done nothing like taht i think your just ****ed we have acomplished much in our short time by ourselves and your just a bit jealous perhaps out there living in a npc region after all Which part of my statement was not true? You have had every chance to have friendly relations, you chose the side of slavers. Now you ask for blue standings, yet will not renounce slavery, how laughable. Friends of slavers are not welcome in Catch. Your alliance members feel the pain, they say they cannot live like this, they ask us daily why they have to suffer. Do you really think CVA, Paxton, Sylph, and Severance will come running from Providence every time we camp your station or destroy your industrial traffic? Your lives will be impossible until you renounce slavery. That is the simple truth. As for being 'jealous', if we wanted your station we would take it, and CVA and their pets would not dare stop us under the capital ship umbrella of the current claimaints of Catch, from whom they tremble in fear. I'm sorry but your slaver friends won't be risking capital ships to save you, and if you are in any doubt you should ask them what happened the last time they deployed capitals in Catch. Didn't end so well for them. Anyway, you still have your station, and we don't want it - that should tell you all you need to know about how 'jealous' we are. But we will drive you from this region, either that or you will renounce slavery. The choice is yours.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2008.12.31 00:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Xennith So when you were seen using hostile jumpbridges to perform logistics you were neutral? When they let you take your systems you were neutral to them? When you gained access to their intel channels and started reporting our movements you were what? Neutral? Dont make the mistake of thinking that we are stupid. Dont claim to be anything other than a CVA/Providence group lacky. um ya they did give us access to the intel channle when we first came to the area so ya
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 01:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Kelban Kevar Originally by: Xennith So when you were seen using hostile jumpbridges to perform logistics you were neutral? When they let you take your systems you were neutral to them? When you gained access to their intel channels and started reporting our movements you were what? Neutral? Dont make the mistake of thinking that we are stupid. Dont claim to be anything other than a CVA/Providence group lacky. um ya they did give us access to the intel channle when we first came to the area so ya Well it seems you chose your side before moving to Catch. So no need for further discussion. Enjoy your stay. We will.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 08:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Kelban Kevar lets see were do i start as far as i know my allaince does not support slavery basicly cause we dont roleplay and as far as cva slpyh and the rest of providence coming down to help out that would be because your trying to oppress my allaince in to being slaves for you when you ya self are slaves and pets of -a- we came out as neutral party to a place that was unclaimed we did our own logistics and building of everything we have with out help from any one ....there were no diplomate contact with us by you guys at all cpt you you showed up and started shooting my ppl.your then drove us to get closer ties with the the very ppl you dislike with ya constant attacks and you then fall back on ya rp to justicify it as attacking slavers no sir if any one is at fault it is you and ya epic failed rping.and farther more you did not run 2 jumps away as we had scout at the station system belonging to -a- you sir ran all the way back to curse and now you spout off in here nowing not many ppl will read it cause is a uk thread good day you and yours thugs,terrorist and slaver wanna be's I am confused as to who you are trying to dupe the most , the cva slavers & their pets or us ?. You came to catch threatening myself anf my comrades with bold tales of how you will crush us before a shot was fired in anger . You bragged you took the system sov from the sylph alliance , " we stole it and sylph did nothing to stop us !" , we fought them for it !". Then you call on them to save you ?. You begged us for friendly standings between our alliances , offering us Ice & free passage , something we already have . Who's more the fool here ? , you for thinking we would fall for your lies , or the slavers who protect you when your future plans are to backstab them ?. You are out of your league Kelban .
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 10:32:00 - [36] Edited by: O Thief on 31/12/2008 10:32:36 A small update on the slaver pets who try to operate in Catch... In the early hours of this morning an Archon was seen in triage mode, trying to rep the POS modules we incapacitated last night. A swift repsonse from UK (at the still armed large 'deathstar' POS) resulted in the successful tackling of this carrier. After a protracted fight at the POS, with only a handful of support ship losses, our freedom loving friends from -A- alliance joined us for the final stages of the kill. Freedom fighters cried with glory as the Archon class vessel exploded mere kilometres from the POS shields. To all slaver allies in Catch I say this - CVA cannot save you. You can only save yourselves by renouncing slavery and joining the fight for freedom!
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:26:00 - [37] The same -A- UK *pay* to have standings and ratting rights for now a days? Clearly they are freedom loving. Clearly UK are not slaves. Sad as it is to believe what you want to believe in your own twisted ways. An honest look at the it would be clearly be the case. If indeed they went about resetting and shooting up the place after a time, Things would go on as they have in the past. CVA hopes that SSI can withstand the brunt of these attacks and grows stronger from it. With prayer and belief in god I feel they can withstand anything that those who wish harm onto them will throw. I do find it funny however that UK's Attempts in Providence have diminished so much they now say "CVA pets in catch" while CVA's main goal/concern as been OPERATION DELIVERANCE and its reclaiming of Providence, Lower domain, and now attempting to clean up the Derelik region. CVA hardly has any presene in the Catch Region besides our constant border skirmishes and patrols against Uk's Current masters AAA. CVA will continue to assit those who ask for our help to the best of our ablility, including SSI. Anyone who willingly try to have peaceful realtions and work abouts while living in a cold dark place that is EvE can and will have our support as long as they can learn to respect others. Anyone wishing more information about CVA and "Operation Delieverance" can go here http://www.cva-eve.org/. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:43:00 - [38] If CVA wish to ally themselves to those who publicly state their intention to backstab them once they have served their purpose, then my life becomes easier. Incidently, "hardly any presence", "constant patrols" and the size of the fleet you spent hours assembling yesterday seem to be mutually exclusive, would you care to pick one?
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus The same -A- UK *pay* to have standings and ratting rights for now a days? Clearly they are freedom loving. Clearly UK are not slaves. Sad as it is to believe what you want to believe in your own twisted ways. An honest look at the it would be clearly be the case. If indeed they went about resetting and shooting up the place after a time, Things would go on as they have in the past. CVA hopes that SSI can withstand the brunt of these attacks and grows stronger from it. With prayer and belief in god I feel they can withstand anything that those who wish harm onto them will throw. I do find it funny however that UK's Attempts in Providence have diminished so much they now say "CVA pets in catch" while CVA's main goal/concern as been OPERATION DELIVERANCE and its reclaiming of Providence, Lower domain, and now attempting to clean up the Derelik region. CVA hardly has any presene in the Catch Region besides our constant border skirmishes and patrols against Uk's Current masters AAA. CVA will continue to assit those who ask for our help to the best of our ablility, including SSI. Anyone who willingly try to have peaceful realtions and work abouts while living in a cold dark place that is EvE can and will have our support as long as they can learn to respect others. Anyone wishing more information about CVA and "Operation Delieverance" can go here http://www.cva-eve.org/. Please, for your own sake, get better intelligence reports - not a single ISK has transferred between -A- and UK alliances. Both alliances wish to fight for a free Catch and we offer -A- our unequivocal support in doing so, now and in the coming war. As for Providence, why even bring it up? This is not a Galnet transmission regarding CVA specifically, or Providence. It is an open and fair warning to slavers from any corporation or alliance who attempt to operate in Catch. The CVA may wish to dwell on the cynojammed, jump-bridged haven of Providence just like an old man recalls glorious past memories, but I am afraid that time has moved on. The CVA appear vulnerable outside their home territory, they lack the advantages a defender gets at home, or the confidence to act alone. They rely on pets to match the strength of UK fleets. Outside Providence, you cannot match UK alone in conventional warfare. You call upon multiple alliances in desperation. How the mighty have fallen. Oh, we may occasionally invite our friends in -A- to participate in a particularly fulfilling or challenging kill, but that is neither here nor there. The CVA won't fight us alone, as your cowardly blob proved yesterday, so we are entitled to return the favour. Don't cry slaver tears because we use your own tactic of inviting friends to get a job done, though unlike you, 99% of the time we work alone and are proud to do so.
Squinaki Gallente Shadowed Command	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:07:00 - [40] Originally by: Conlin Mission Accomplished . The offending object has been removed . We of the Ushra'Khan continue our fight on the slavers ! The "offending" object was not reinforced nor destroyed, although it's defences were incapacitated and the tower was pretty low on shields. We managed to repair the damages that had been done, by your forces. As for the removal we considered multiple options but we decided to relocate the tower earlier as we initially had planned. Thus the tower was safely taken down and moved, mission accomplished. As for our views on slaves or slavers, we do not have a stance towards slavery, however I believe most of us will condemn it. We believe in respect, freedom and friendship above all so we choose too respect CVAs and Ushra'Khans ideologies. However the recent events and the total lack of official Ushra'Khan communications towards our corporation. We strongly feel Ushra'Khan has forced us too side with our friends and people willing to help us even more. With regards, Squinaki

O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Squinaki As for our views on slaves or slavers, we do not have a stance towards slavery, however I believe most of us will condemn it. We believe in respect, freedom and friendship above all so we choose too respect CVAs and Ushra'Khans ideologies. However the recent events and the total lack of official Ushra'Khan communications towards our corporation. We strongly feel Ushra'Khan has forced us too side with our friends and people willing to help us even more. With regards, Squinaki Perhaps you need to read your own corporations official description? You have been red to UK for a long time. You made your choice, live with it.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus CVA will continue to assit those who ask for our help to the best of our ablility, Well last night as we were killing the carrier we got intel you were trying to scramble together a fleet from your block of alliances. The sad thing being it took you and your 7 slaver alliances that long to form a fleet when there was only about a dozen of us on the carrier, and second - you travelled half way down, then turned back 1 JB and 3 odd conventional jumps out when the carrier was still holding firm in Triage. So either you dont believe much in your ability or you lack the stomach for a fight you might loose. Either way SSI your carrier died with a slaver fleet sat 10 minutes away, they are not a good choice of allies as when the chips are down they will leave you to die. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:39:00 - [43] http://www.eve-search.com/thread/941964 A recruitment post by shadowed command. please note the following line: Quote: CVA-Friendly, so we've got backup from other corps in the regions we operate in. You didnt respect U'K and the ideology of freedom, you were just hoping that we wouldnt notice your support for slavery and greed. Bad news, we did.
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.31 13:29:00 - [44] Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 31/12/2008 13:35:49 UK has a long tradition of Inviting others to do thier work. CVA welcomes those who would wish to fight on behaf of an Amarrian Providence as you welcome those who would fight against it. Clearly I've no illusions as to the relasonships and the nature of the beast. Numbers clearly are always a part of the nature of eve. Larger picking on smaller, tactical decisions are an important part of the life of a pod pilot. As I was away at the time of the incident your speaking of I've no idea what happened with any forces so I have no place to comment upon them. UK, you are correct. CVA controling Providence, Patrolling Lower domain, Parts of Derelik, and TMP as well as other regions for the empire, leads Catch being on the list of CVA assitance in such a manner that its never been our primary concern.We do offer assitance to the best of our ability and indeed have been more than willing to help on several occasions with the UK threat, even as O Thief has said. Hardly 1 year ago we barely had control of Providence. 1 year before that we only had half. 1 year before that we only had a bit. It is through faith and enlightment that we have flurished while others have not. Clearly everything CVA does in the universe does not revolve around UK, while it seems everything UK does revoles around making it about CVA and its allies. I hope that in time UK pilots are turned to an enlightned force and able to understand that what CVA does is for the benfit of everyone in eve. Indeed in time hopefully the members of UK can and will see the error of thier ways and ask for enlightment. The hand of god is open to everyone willing to bask in his holy light. Until such time we will continue to fight for the Amarrian Empire and its beliefs. Maybe in another year you will get your wish and CVA will be more into catch, Maybe not. Tis not my position to dictate CVA policy, only to enforce. Its the dawning of a new year today, and with that, I say: Amarr Victor! *edited some missspells : ( The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 14:07:00 - [45] Pah, more religious brainwashing and slaver propaganda. You make me sick. I do not doubt your achievements in Providence, but what is your strength is also your weakness. You grow fat and decadent in your cynojammed empire, used to the convenience of jump bridges and an army of pets to call upon to do your bidding. When you venture outside this cushioned existance, you are poorly equipped to deal with the harsher realities of fighting without such home advantages. You have your goals, and we have ours. That they may not align is no fault of our own, but should you choose to engage us alone, we will fight you. But you know how that will end outside your decadent empire. You have no business in Catch. No slaver does.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 16:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 31/12/2008 13:35:49 UK has a long tradition of Inviting others to do thier work. CVA welcomes those who would wish to fight on behaf of an Amarrian Providence as you welcome those who would fight against it. Clearly I've no illusions as to the relasonships and the nature of the beast. Numbers clearly are always a part of the nature of eve. Larger picking on smaller, tactical decisions are an important part of the life of a pod pilot. As I was away at the time of the incident your speaking of I've no idea what happened with any forces so I have no place to comment upon them. UK, you are correct. CVA controling Providence, Patrolling Lower domain, Parts of Derelik, and TMP as well as other regions for the empire, leads Catch being on the list of CVA assitance in such a manner that its never been our primary concern.We do offer assitance to the best of our ability and indeed have been more than willing to help on several occasions with the UK threat, even as O Thief has said. Hardly 1 year ago we barely had control of Providence. 1 year before that we only had half. 1 year before that we only had a bit. It is through faith and enlightment that we have flurished while others have not. Clearly everything CVA does in the universe does not revolve around UK, while it seems everything UK does revoles around making it about CVA and its allies. I hope that in time UK pilots are turned to an enlightned force and able to understand that what CVA does is for the benfit of everyone in eve. Indeed in time hopefully the members of UK can and will see the error of thier ways and ask for enlightment. The hand of god is open to everyone willing to bask in his holy light. Until such time we will continue to fight for the Amarrian Empire and its beliefs. Maybe in another year you will get your wish and CVA will be more into catch, Maybe not. Tis not my position to dictate CVA policy, only to enforce. Its the dawning of a new year today, and with that, I say: Amarr Victor! *edited some missspells : ( Equinox , the pilots do not wish to pray , or even believe in your amarrian ways , they have stated so on quite a few occassions . They even plan to reset your alliance one they have swelled their numbers to a point of 1000 . Something they openly advertise . They use you to there advantage slaver and like a gullible fool you accept this .Is their a hidden agenda here ?, or are you so soft these days you have become complacent ?. What more evidence do you need that they take you for a fool ?. You prattle on about the past , this is now , stop bringing up the past to swell your ego . It is a dawning of a new year slaver , one that has shown you how fat and sloppy you have become . I wish you luck in your ventures to clean Derelick
Mister Builder SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2008.12.31 19:35:00 - [47] ssi is not and will not reset allies and those who wish to remain friends this reset you speak of is to remove a few reds and blues that we picked up over the course of time that are eiether no more in the world or not in there area we inhabit. you of course will always remain red untill you give up ya terrorist ways and remove the pirates from ya fold.after looking though the thread i see alot of uk proaganda that must be cleared up the systems you mention were open no one owned them so ssi claimed 4 out of 6 as slyph was setting up in the area roughly the same time we did. as to the carrier kill were you say a dozen you know a dozen means 12 right if ya had 12 why did 6 of my mebers manage to kill 17 and only lost 1 cap ship that wouldnt be cause you had roughly 40 or so now would it and you speak bout -a- came in at the end we both know that is not the case.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 20:10:00 - [48] You do not wish to renounce slavery, and wish to remain allied to your slaver masters. That's what we already know, however rest assured that we will continue to make you pay for your evil ways. Do remember that CVA do not even notice you in their fleets, and will only protect you when it suits them. You are dealing with slavers, and they know only one type of relationship. In that relationship you are not a master.
Ugleb Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.12.31 20:43:00 - [49] Edited by: Ugleb on 31/12/2008 20:44:12 Edit - post the *** messsage damnit* Originally by: Equinox Daedalus I do find it funny however that UK's Attempts in Providence have diminished so much they now say "CVA pets in catch" while CVA's main goal/concern as been OPERATION DELIVERANCE and its reclaiming of Providence, Lower domain, and now attempting to clean up the Derelik region. CVA hardly has any presene in the Catch Region besides our constant border skirmishes and patrols against Uk's Current masters AAA. We have two designated free-fire zones in New Eden, Providence & Catch. They were both declared together a long time ago following the fall of Unity Station and were selected due to the fact that both regions were under the control of Slaver regimes, or their supporters. At the time Providence was divided between CVA, Sylph, Sev3rance, Paxton and a few others such as the long demised Slammers Hammers. Catch was under IAC and Sylph control. Every single one of these alliances was aligned against our goals, several having outright betrayed our trust. So yes, Catch is not CVA space. But then the CVA is not the only target on our radar. Although you do seem to think so. Contact the Sarz'na Khumatari
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 21:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Mister Builder as to the carrier kill were you say a dozen you know a dozen means 12 right if ya had 12 why did 6 of my mebers manage to kill 17 and only lost 1 cap ship that wouldnt be cause you had roughly 40 or so now would it and you speak bout -a- came in at the end we both know that is not the case. If you consider killing a few inexpensive support cruisers and losing a faction fitted Carrier with full fighter complement a 'good result', then we look forward to many more such engagements. And we hope for many more 'good results' as you define them. Do you think we are stupid? We knew we would lose ships engaging a carrier at a deathstar POS in a cynojammed system. The losses were more than acceptable, they were minimal. We are freedom fighters, not cowards, and your POS do not make you safe from our warships.

Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:47:00 - [51] lol well if you wish to throw away another 2billion isk in ships and mods for a 1 billion isk ship go for it congrat on the curse pilot that was flying a 400mill isk ship in to combat
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Kelban Kevar lol well if you wish to throw away another 2billion isk in ships and mods for a 1 billion isk ship go for it congrat on the curse pilot that was flying a 400mill isk ship in to combat I'm sorry, are you delusional? Where on earth did you get that figure from? U'K lost: 2 HAC's, 1 Recon, 2 Sabres, 1 T1 Cruiser, and 4 frigates. You lost: 1 frigate, and 1 Faction Fitted Carrier I think we all know who came out better in that engagement. But please do carry on talking like losing a Carrier in a cynojammed system at your own deathstar is somehow a wonderful achievement, because you killed a few support ships.
SHAME NEMO	Posted - 2008.12.31 23:54:00 - [53] Home Campaigns Kills Losses Post Mail Stats Awards Search Admin About Week 53Ship class K L Assault Frigate 1 0 Battlecruiser 2 0 Battleship 3 3 Black Ops 0 0 Cap. Industrial 0 0 Capsule 5 0 Carrier 0 1 Command Ship 1 0 Covert Ops 1 0 Ship class K L Cruiser 4 0 Destroyer 0 0 Dreadnought 0 0 E/W Frigate 0 0 Exhumer 2 0 Freighter 0 0 Frigate 2 0 Heavy Assault 1 2 Heavy Dictor 1 0 Ship class K L Industrial 0 0 Industrial Command Ship 0 0 Interceptor 1 2 Interdictor 1 0 Jump Freighter 0 0 Logistics 0 0 Marauder 0 0 Mining Barge 0 0 Mothership 0 0 Ship class K L POS Large 0 0 POS Medium 0 0 POS Modules 0 0 POS Small 0 0 Recon 5 0 Shuttle 0 0 Titan 0 0 Transport 0 0 30 Ships killed (1.3B ISK) 8 Ships lost (1.16B ISK) 20 most recent kills Wednesday, December 31st Ship type Victim Final blow System Inv. Time Raven Battleship tkxxue Alliance: Ultima Rati0 MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights MSG-BZ (0.0) 2 08:58 0 Hulk Exhumer evqew Alliance: Rebellion Alliance MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights PQRE-W (0.0) 1 08:14 0 Hulk Exhumer Takeshi Li Alliance: Rebellion Alliance MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights PQRE-W (0.0) 1 08:13 0 Megathron Battleship Evil Cain Alliance: Against ALL Authorities MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 3 02:15 0 Vexor Cruiser Flogging Amy Alliance: The Chamber of Commerce MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 5 02:08 0 Dominix Battleship Mortimer Douglas Alliance: Against ALL Authorities MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 3 02:00 0 Caracal Cruiser Steven Thewise Alliance: Ushra'Khan Kuvdar Quickfoot The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 3 01:57 0 Curse Recon Recco Alliance: Against ALL Authorities MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 2 01:57 0 Crow Interceptor Akikio Lankinen Alliance: Ushra'Khan MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 3 01:55 0 Sabre Interdictor Bothrops Atrox Alliance: Ushra'Khan MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 2 01:54 0 Condor Frigate Hoorny Alliance: Ushra'Khan Kuvdar Quickfoot The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 3 01:49 0 Arazu Recon Malaggar Alliance: Ushra'Khan MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 2 01:48 0 Stabber Cruiser Tonsko Alliance: Ushra'Khan MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 2 01:47 0 Nemesis Covert Ops Olyver Alliance: Ushra'Khan Monomorium Mnemonic Enterprises GMLH-K (0.0) 1 01:45 0 Rifter Frigate Ce'Nethra Alliance: Ushra'Khan MCHammerdad The Order of Black Knights GMLH-K (0.0) 2 01:44 0 Sleipnir Command Ship Buggs Alliance: Ushra'Khan Kuvdar Quickfoot The Order of Black Knights S-U2VD (0.0) 4 01:26 0 Broadsword Heavy Dictor EveJoker Alliance: Ushra'Khan Kuvdar Quickfoot The Order of Black Knights S-U2VD (0.0) 4 01:23 0 you said you only lost a few will heres the few just for wenday looks like more then you are saiding
peacewarrior Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.31 23:59:00 - [54] Conlin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Romans 8:38
Mister Builder SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2008.12.31 23:59:00 - [55] egat man that hurts my eyes would been better to just post a link
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.01 00:47:00 - [56] What on earth are you trying to show with that horribly formatted wall of gibberish? If it is meant to show that you sometimes kill ships belonging to other alliances, then oddly yes you do. Sometimes you also kill ships belonging to us. However you are losing, and losing convincingly. If you wish to disagree based on your own data you may, however we will keep punishing you until you cease your support for slavery.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.01 01:08:00 - [57] Its a killboard link to the fight in question: http://shock.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=398785
Mister Builder SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.01 02:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Xennith Edited by: Xennith on 01/01/2009 01:58:41 Its a killboard summary of the fight in question, more detail here: http://shock.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=398785 not a real fan of that one doesnt caculate the real total has the carrier only listed at 800+ samething with t2 ships and faction stuff plus the ships the pos killed by itself hopfuly the hosting company will fix it soon but doutful plus lets not forget the brave to souls that tried to camp the gate in s-u :)but still much better than the unedited thing that was posted a bit ago lol
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.01 03:24:00 - [59] Edited by: shanda captison on 01/01/2009 03:31:50 Edited by: shanda captison on 01/01/2009 03:31:01 Originally by: Mister Builder Originally by: Xennith Edited by: Xennith on 01/01/2009 01:58:41 Its a killboard summary of the fight in question, more detail here: http://shock.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=398785 not a real fan of that one doesnt caculate the real total has the carrier only listed at 800+ samething with t2 ships and faction stuff plus the ships the pos killed by itself hopfuly the hosting company will fix it soon but doutful plus lets not forget the brave to souls that tried to camp the gate in s-u :)but still much better than the unedited thing that was posted a bit ago lol If you are just going to mess about with numbers the large amarr tower we took off you today covers all the losses we suffered. Thanks SSI, we look forward to more offerings of poses. Edit: And after consulting slaver forums they formed a fleet to help but "I got 19 in my gang but of course wasnt enough."! Owe dear. Nvm SSI just remember the Prov Blob wont come unless they know they will be victorious, such great allies they are. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.01 03:56:00 - [60] dont have anytower loss or stolen tower and i cant tconfirm that with any of my ppl you sure it was our and not a alle or are ya making stuff up again

Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.01 06:51:00 - [61] No we killed a cruiser Blackbird from SSI trying to protect the tower as it was unachoring .
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.01 11:24:00 - [62] Originally by: Kelban Kevar dont have anytower loss or stolen tower and i cant tconfirm that with any of my ppl you sure it was our and not a alle or are ya making stuff up again At Planet 7, Moon 10 of the GMLH system in Catch, a pilot known as 'Delta 40' from your alliance was guarding an unanchoring large Amarrian tower in a Blackbird-class Cruiser, along with three of his slaver associates. We had been closely watching the tower being dismantled for days. At the precise moment of unanchoring, a U'K black ops force moved in, combined with a conventional gang from another direction. Following the swift internvention of the black ops force, the protectors of the tower ran or were swiftly destroyed. At this point, I personally decloaked my Prorator (which I can assure you, despite being of Amarrian design, has been modified to accomodate employees in comfortable conditions rather than slaves) and scooped the tower. We thank you for your contribution to our just and noble cause. Remember - it is not too late to see the error of your ways and join the fight for freedom yourself. U'K are forgiving people, but until you renounce slavery and those who support it, you will only find misery in Catch. You have had fair warning. All slaver residents of Catch have had fair warning. There can be no more excuses.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.03 13:39:00 - [63] Edited by: Poreuomai on 03/01/2009 13:39:54 Originally by: Kelban Kevar lets see were do i start as far as i know my allaince does not support slavery basicly cause we dont roleplay How strange then that some of your members, like "DELTA 40" for example, have "CVA FRIENDLY." in their bio. *Let My People Go*
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.04 14:45:00 - [64] Our struggle for freedom in Catch progresses well, despite the inconvenience of a major war. Two more slaver-friendly POS have been destroyed, with others successfully reinforced. Our warriors relentlessly hunt those who would support slavery. The message cannot be more clear: system by system, ship by ship, POS by POS, we will drive the friends of slavers from Catch relentlessly. There can be no release from this misery until slavery is renounced and freedom embraced.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.14 14:18:00 - [65] Our fight for freedom progresses well. Since my last update, warriors of the U'K have maintained near constant harrassement operations against the friends of slavers who made the foolish error of residing in Catch. Yet more slaver-friendly Capital class vessels met their end at the hands of our brave warriors, in the slaver associated own cyno-jammed systems. We, the U'K, thank our freedom loving friends in -A- for their contribution to these kills. Our constant patrols have also successfully forced the cancellation of major industrial operations by slaver-friendly alliances. Not only that, but as part of our harrassment campaign, we successfully disabled the Cloning and Repair facilities of a slaver pet. The message now is the same as before - if you side with slavers you are a target. If you reside in Catch even more so. We are the oldest recognised alliance in New Eden. If you hope that by closing your eyes we might just go away, or move elsewhere, you are mistaken. There will be no end, no release, no let up from our campaign until those who support slavery in Catch renounce their past, and join us as brothers in arms in the glorious fight for freedom!
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:35:00 - [66] Alright I just finished reading through this report and as I have been away for awhile I want to see if I get this straight. Uk has problems with CVA (we know this) as well as the people in Catch. (which last i checked would be Sylph and -A-) Uk is friends with -A- so that leaves Sylph. They attack System Shock cause they are in Catch and don't talk to them diplomatically before hand they just assume they are bad. SSI claims they are not slavers or pets of slavers they are just trying to eek out a living. However UK in their infinate minmatar wisdon decide that since they accepted help form CVA and Sylph they are bad people and rather than offer their pwn help they just attack them. UK then says join us and we will stop. SSI says no of course, as who ants to give in to terrorism other than Nancy Pelosi. SSI obviously from the reports here can not defend themselves proplerly hence UK stomping on them (although it is not stated I would venture to guess it was an SSI outpost that was hit not a Sylph or -A- outpost since -A- and UK seem to be friends now, and CVA and its little pets are in providence. So basically if I am correct so far in summing this up it appears that UK is stomping all over SSI and will only stop if SSI denounces CVA and its holders and Sylph in Catch. Which if they turn them red would cause those Alliances to stomp on SSI. So the basic question I would have is what assurances does UK offer to them for protection against CVA and co. As it seems that the oupost that SSI has is in the middle of Sylph Space and I am sure they would not want a red outpost in the middle of their space. It seems that UK really has forced SSI into a no win situation here and did not think things through properly again. I wonder if all of those years in chains and servitude has clouded their leaderships judgement. I must sign off now as my popcorn is done and I truly await the outcome of this endeavor.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:59:00 - [67] Edited by: O Thief on 14/01/2009 20:00:01 Originally by: Il Morte So the basic question I would have is what assurances does UK offer to them for protection against CVA and co. As it seems that the oupost that SSI has is in the middle of Sylph Space and I am sure they would not want a red outpost in the middle of their space. It seems that UK really has forced SSI into a no win situation here and did not think things through properly again. I wonder if all of those years in chains and servitude has clouded their leaderships judgement. I must sign off now as my popcorn is done and I truly await the outcome of this endeavor. Well, lets be clear in our terms of reference here. -A- are the dominant force in Catch, and some would argue the entire south, not Sylph. SSI's station system is closer to ZXIC (-A- station) than it is any Sylph station. In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, they chose the wrong side intially when setting themselves up. However, this is neither here nor there. I could only imagine -A- becoming involved in force if the Providence block dangled capital ships close to their space(ie, SSI's space), for the simple reason that they like to kill capital ships and have something of a history with the Providence residents in this respect. However, there is currently no reason for them to do that (and I doubt the Providence holders they would risk their caps anyway). I cannot speak for them but I doubt -A- are interested in the wider politics, they probably just want juicy kills, but having a friend you can call upon when juicy kills are available is certainly something we appreciate. And it can help us progress our own political aims of spreading the cause of freedom. For us though it is a good situation and, I think, a smart political move. I disagree that SSI are caught in a lose-lose situation. De-aligning themselves from the slavers cause, given their situation, is not only possible but sensible. As for us being terrorists, call it what you will. We fight for freedom at any price.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.14 20:18:00 - [68] Edited by: Il Morte on 14/01/2009 20:18:55 Thank you for the response O Thief. I wonder what -A- views are in regards to Slavery as well; as I have not really heard a formal declaration from them, and if history is not mistaken (rarley mistaken though often distorted) they were once allied with the said Slavers of CVA and its Holders (ever notice how CVA has holders when everyone else has pets, I think it needs to be looked into as it is truly biased). You speak of fighting for freedom which is of all the things to fight over the most noblest of all (except for corporate profits of course) but yet I do wonder where -A- aligns itself on that front or as you said they do not care. Which last I checked was SSI's response. If -A- truly does not care then that must mean they harbor slavers as well therefore how can you ally yourself with them. It would be interesting to hear and official -A- Statement on this, and your reaction if they do not condemn slavery and all of those that hold slaves. I have read responses from most of the parties in here with the exception of Sylph I believe and an official response from -A- on the slavery issue. I hope to hear fron them soon. May your missles fly true and your stocks always rise.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.14 20:47:00 - [69] Well, actions do speak louder than words, and I personally take great comfort from the actions of -A- in relation to the Providence slavers. The mass slaughter of the Providence holders conventional and capital class vessels, whilst not specifically labelled as 'anti-slaver' does have that effect, by virtue of the choice of target. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:36:00 - [70] Originally by: Il Morte SSI claims they are not slavers or pets of slavers they are just trying to eek out a living. However UK in their infinate minmatar wisdon decide that since they accepted help form CVA and Sylph they are bad people and rather than offer their pwn help they just attack them. As I said earlier, "DELTA 40" for example, has "CVA FRIENDLY." in his bio.

Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:40:00 - [71] Its worth noting our targets in Catch (including IAC) have always been fench sitters to a greater or lesser degree, that is until the push comes to the shove. Sylph are perhaps the classic example in this regard. SSI are the latest in that tradition and attempted to play both sides of the diplomatic coin, poorly I may add. Its never a great idea to lie and hurl abuse at the enemies diplomat especially when he takes steps to contact you for a possible peaceful resolution. Honesty and mutual respect carries much weight, at least in my diplomatic circles. As already indicated SSI picked possibly the worst place to set up shop - on a central pipe into Sylph space and then Providence, they then inflamed the situation by trying to stop us transitting through it. What began as possibly only a poor choice of space has ended in a lot of deciet, lies and mudflinging, and ended with SSI clearly showing exactly who they support (and are supported by). I do not agree the choice was that hard when it came to working for or against U'K, after all do CVA ususally come hunting non-U'K alliances outside Providence? No they do not. However apparent power is very attractive to those who live in fear and SSI's choice has been made. Our terms have been made known, as have our goals and priorities.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:32:00 - [72] An interesting development has taken place. It would seem that the slaver pets within SSI are also allied with Goonswarm, and have granted them docking rights in their outpost, and jointly camped gates with them. Given that -A- are currently involved in a bloody territorial war with Goonswarm, perhaps I was mistaken when I stated earlier than -A- would have no political interest. We have naturally shared this intel, and look forward to seeing what other measures SSI might try to use in order to suppress our activity. They clearly do not understand U'K if they think such actions will prevent us from ending the profitable use of their space. We look forward to more fights in the name of freedom!
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.15 14:16:00 - [73] Edited by: Il Morte on 15/01/2009 14:17:42 I must admit that although I may not agree totaly with the methods being used here. I do seem to be growing a little respect for UK and their ideals. Catch definatey sounds like it is getting interesting I may have to go down there and pay it a visit. Two things that struck me quite interesting was Goons working with SSI, and Karn talking about fence sitters. I guess everyone's definition of a fence sitter is different. My thought on it would be someone who waits to see who is going to be the more powerful and win and then joining that side. A group that is neutral or doesn't want to get involved to me is not a fence sitter. Also sometimes our own actions cause different results than we want i.e. attacking SSI will force them to be friendly and seek aide from your enemy CVA. I still would like to hear from the other side on this.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.15 14:20:00 - [74] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Kelban Kevar lets see were do i start as far as i know my allaince does not support slavery basicly cause we dont roleplay and as far as cva slpyh and the rest of providence coming down to help out that would be because your trying to oppress my allaince in to being slaves for you when you ya self are slaves and pets of -a- we came out as neutral party to a place that was unclaimed we did our own logistics and building of everything we have with out help from any one ....there were no diplomate contact with us by you guys at all cpt you you showed up and started shooting my ppl.your then drove us to get closer ties with the the very ppl you dislike with ya constant attacks and you then fall back on ya rp to justicify it as attacking slavers no sir if any one is at fault it is you and ya epic failed rping.and farther more you did not run 2 jumps away as we had scout at the station system belonging to -a- you sir ran all the way back to curse and now you spout off in here nowing not many ppl will read it cause is a uk thread good day you and yours thugs,terrorist and slaver wanna be's I am confused as to who you are trying to dupe the most , the cva slavers & their pets or us ?. You came to catch threatening myself anf my comrades with bold tales of how you will crush us before a shot was fired in anger . You bragged you took the system sov from the sylph alliance , " we stole it and sylph did nothing to stop us !" , we fought them for it !". Then you call on them to save you ?. You begged us for friendly standings between our alliances , offering us Ice & free passage , something we already have . Who's more the fool here ? , you for thinking we would fall for your lies , or the slavers who protect you when your future plans are to backstab them ?. You are out of your league Kelban . To the Audience that is affected. Conlin is leaking information here that we usually dont leak to public. However, we can prove what he said. The logs are stored safely and we can actually proof that SSI is not worth the "loyalty" of the "citadel" community. If you (addressing CVA,Sylph etc) keep your hands out of it, we will basically be cleaning your backs from a parasite. If you not keep your hands out of it, it will take us a bit longer;) but we dont mind a good fighting, you know that this is not the reason why i type it. recruiting -forum
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.15 23:11:00 - [75] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 15/01/2009 23:11:13 You raise a valid point Il Morte, and from an entirely objective veiw point I agree. However the benefit of hind-sight often shows that what was once a neutral stance to be in effect a fench sitting action under the guise of neutrality. It takes the rare and brave few to choose to side with the under dogs after a period of neutrality, to choose principled action over personal saftey and the ability to line ones pockets with isk.
Hardin Amarr FI-FOE Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.01.16 10:58:00 - [76] It was exactly this philosophy which ended up with Ushra'Khan alienating pretty much every neutral in Providence and driving them into the CVA camp. It seems the terrorists have not learned their lesson and look set to repeat the same mistakes again. Time will tell I suppose! ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:08:00 - [77] Edited by: Conlin on 16/01/2009 11:08:44 Originally by: Hardin It was exactly this philosophy which ended up with Ushra'Khan alienating pretty much every neutral in Providence and driving them into the CVA camp. It seems the terrorists have not learned their lesson and look set to repeat the same mistakes again. Time will tell I suppose! Time will tell Hardin !. SSI decidely began hostilities from the very first day demanding we stopped entering their systems before any shots were fired . So I would like to ask where have we alienated ourselves ?, SSI knew not who we were , in fact their whole understanding of sovereignity in and around of Catch at the time of their move to the area not only confused us , but they were more confused of the whole situation they had presented themselves with . For several months the few systems between Catch and Provi were empty , until one day on my daily travels to Provi from the Curse Regions I was met for the first time with SSI . Who proceeded to make threats . If they had taken the course of diplomacy from the start , instead of hostile threats then they wouldnt be in the predicament they currently find themselves in . So yes Hardin , time will tell !.
Hardin Amarr FI-FOE Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:52:00 - [78] Edited by: Hardin on 16/01/2009 11:53:41 Well I am not going to get in a circular discussion with you terrorist. As I have not been in space myself recently and do not have full access to all the available intelligence I simply a mere observer to these events. It is therefore just my 'impression' from GalNet that UK's diplomatic skills are once again lacking and that you seem to be repeating old errors. But then again you are terrorists and murderers so I suppose that is to be expected and even (from a CVA perspective) to be welcomed ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:58:00 - [79] Originally by: Hardin Well I am not going to get in a circular discussion with you terrorist. As I have not been in space myself recently and do not have full access to all the available intelligence I am a mere observer to these events. It is therefore just my 'impression' from GalNet that UK's diplomatic skills are once again lacking and that you seem to be repeating old errors. But then again you are terrorists and murderers so I suppose that is to be expected and, from a CVA perspective, welcomed [] If you have no intention of getting into a circular discussion slaver , and as you have already stated no intelligence on the matter at hand , then why bother to open discussions in the first place till you have all the evidence at hand ?. Is this another attempt of "Hardins Spin !!" ?. The errors seem to be of your own making slaver , be wary of opinions till you gather what necessary intelligence is recquired .
Hardin Amarr FI-FOE Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.01.16 12:48:00 - [80] Originally by: Hardin It seems the terrorists have not learned their lesson and look set to repeat the same mistakes again. Time will tell I suppose! Simply reading this discussion and other recent GalNet debates in which some UK members have contributed is enough to get an 'impression'. If I had written an epic tome condemning the failings of UK's diplomatic policies then maybe some deeper research might have been needed but as I was simply expressing my 'impression' and have not even tried to claim some amazing insight then I can't see what you are getting so tetchy about terrorist. Whilst I know that UK have to try and undermine my credibility with accusations of spin at every opportunity the fact is that I simply tell it as I see it. Honesty is the best policy in the long run! ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert

Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.16 13:07:00 - [81] I wonder whether CVA's anti-pirate stance extends to neutrals who aggress U'K?
Hardin Amarr FI-FOE Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.01.16 13:46:00 - [82] Of course not. You are enemies of everyone building prosperity and civilisation in Providence. Any neutral who decides to engage you has our blessing. Of course we don't force them to shoot you but your murderous acts against neutrals in our space means few would probably restrain themselves. We do not classify neutrals as pirates simply because they shoot terrorists! That would be kind of nonsensical... ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.16 14:37:00 - [83] Originally by: Hardin Of course not. You are enemies of everyone building prosperity and civilisation in Providence. Any neutral who decides to engage you has our blessing. Of course we don't force them to shoot you but your murderous acts against neutrals in our space means few would probably restrain themselves. We do not classify neutrals as pirates simply because they shoot terrorists! That would be kind of nonsensical... Not nearly as nonsensical as your contradictory statements, my dear slaver. Firstly, this is not about Providence. What goes on in Providence is a different matter to the events of Upper Catch. It is an seperate sphere of influence. What concerns the U'K is therefore the 'spilling over' of slaver ideals from that most savage and cruel of regions. The fact of the matter is that the actions of the CVA and Providence residents forced the hand of U'K in relation to abandoning NRDS in that region. The CVA ran gangs against the U'K in which neutral pilots fired upon us. We had no choice. And the CVA set that tone, not us. We have a clear, stated goal in Catch - that of harrassment, guerilla operations, and the denial of economic activity. It is focused, brutal, and highly effective. The standard repsonse of Providence residents to such threats is to form a large fleet, and slowly move in our general direction. And yet that almost comedic response is completely ineffective to our approach in this campaign. Indeed, such a 'predictable' response is not only ineffective, it is entirely counter-productive since it requires up to 100 pilots to abandon their normal activities in pointless excursions, taking several hours each day and achieving nothing. We fight when the odds are even (and have yet to lose a significant engagement in our campaign), we retreat into the shadows in the face of significantly greater numbers. But we do not go away. The 100 man fleet tires and moves away, and like oil over water we creep back and infest the area once again. We are not here to claim space, we are not here to invade Providence. The objective is focused and simple - the friends of slavers shall not know peace in Catch. They will be removed through a war of attrition and space denial. This is not conventional warfare, and it cannot be stopped. There can be no victory here for the freinds of slavers. But they do have a choice.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.16 14:47:00 - [84] Originally by: Hardin Of course not. You are enemies of everyone building prosperity and civilisation in Providence. Prosperity built by the hands of slaves, those who labour for it but never receive the benefits. That is not civilisation, and it is not tolerable.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:18:00 - [85] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Hardin It seems the terrorists have not learned their lesson and look set to repeat the same mistakes again. Time will tell I suppose! Simply reading this discussion and other recent GalNet debates in which some UK members have contributed is enough to get an 'impression'. If I had written an epic tome condemning the failings of UK's diplomatic policies then maybe some deeper research might have been needed but as I was simply expressing my 'impression' and have not even tried to claim some amazing insight then I can't see what you are getting so tetchy about terrorist. Whilst I know that UK have to try and undermine my credibility with accusations of spin at every opportunity the fact is that I simply tell it as I see it. Honesty is the best policy in the long run! If it was honesty is the best policy slaver , I would hope the next time you would get some intel on the ongoing incidents in Catch . Its a poor man who opens his mouth with criticism before the facts are before him . Your attempts of spin are renowned within , and outwith U'K Hardin , the more you say , the more that hole you keep digging gets deeper
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:54:00 - [86] Originally by: O Thief Not nearly as nonsensical as your contradictory statements, my dear slaver. And not nearly as contradictory as claiming to be opposed to slavery whilst having a senior member who attends ***tail parties hosted by someone with a record of not only owning slaves but mistreating them as well. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.*
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:19:00 - [87] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 16/01/2009 23:25:03 Karn laughs long and loud Ahh slaver Blake you are like a long, tedious and broken holo-reel stuck on repeat. Or perhaps a small dog with its teeth stuck in someoneÆs pants. I gather you're referring to the party I didnÆt attend, hosted by a reformed slaver holder who released 1000's of slaves into my care as part of her invitation to attend? As for honesty - Hardin you're even more entertaining than Rodg. Take a look at your posts here and see how you bury the simple truth of the matter. You crap on about peace and civilising Providence but seem to have conveniently forgotten the war that drove us freedom lovers out of Providence, a Providence we settled, civilised and encouraged (non-slaving) neutrals to live in. Much like yourselves with the obvious exception of what we stand for. As for driving fence sitters to you, note the parties discussed here (Sylph and SSI) aggressed us first. We refused to do Sylphs dirty work for them by shooting your enemies so they opened up on us and supported you. We wished to pass thru SSI's space purely as it's on a pipe to your space and they fired on us in an effort to stop our transit, purely for the sport I suspect. As Conlin says you really should do some research on your new allies. Seems clear to me slaver that they made their choice through little effort on our behalf. Yes our diplomatic stance turns some people against us, simply because we stand defiantly against slavers like you and your alliance CVA. Because we don't agree that turning a blind eye to what sugar tongued tyrants like you believe in is worth all the isks in the cluster, and we don't believe siding with the larger force is the right thing to do when that force stands for what yours does, even if defeat seems the other alternatively. Of course you will always ignore these simple realities and publicly tone down or fail to admit your slaving ways for one simple reason - you know if you were bold and honest about it you'd lose support. I have more respect for your younger members Hardin than I'll ever have for your worm tongue. At least they aren't afraid to post on this summit what it is CVA stands for.
Mister Builder SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:26:00 - [88] you was agresed first wich is a highly unliky story was cause you shot at us while in prov and stuff if you wanted to talk peace you should have but you didnt you just kept attacking us non-stop we came to catch to do our own thing and you attacked first then you hide behind role play wich we dont do you just keep forceing us more and more into tough situations as far as goons go were not blue to the swarm you can ask them yaself the one you saw is a ex allaince mate that come out to see what was up.and you say we played both side no we didnt wanna get involed you either of yours all wars as we were not big enough to do so you attack and attack driveing us into the arms of ya enemys we came in peace but you apparently didnt want it.aand why were on the rp subject that fights slavery why is it then you seem to wanna make slaves of your our
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:44:00 - [89] Originally by: Karn Mithralia We refused to do Sylphs dirty work for them by shooting your enemies so they opened up on us and supported you. Hrm. Much of what you address (indeed much of what this thread addresses) is simply the fundamental differences between Ushra'Khan and CVA; from stance on slavery to foreign policy to even tactics. In general I'm happy enough to stay out of it. Years of going 'round and 'round in public discussion haven't budged either side by even the smallest measure and I'd rather not waste my breath. However, after calling Hardin a worm tongue, the above issue needs addressed. You did not "refuse to do Sylph's dirty work." You directly aligned yourselves (in the face of CVA pressure) with pirates and troublemakers-in-general who, when they were not helping you against CVA attack, preyed upon Sylph. Rather than focusing your new allies' efforts against CVA (by calling them off of Sylph) and taking advantage of a fairly obvious diplomatic opportunity to move Sylph Alliance off of the fence and into your camp, you chose to dance around the issue of piracy and make vague "enemy of my enemy" statements to justify keeping forces arrayed against CVA that you likely hoped could stave off our offensive. To those who remember such diplomatic blunders, the situation in Catch looks much the same. Time will tell. Either way, I'm personally happy to concede that CVA doesn't have the most keen perspective on the situation. I just couldn't let all this "Hardin spin" talk continue in light of the above spin concerning the original falling out between Sylph and Ushra'Khan.
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.17 04:39:00 - [90] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 17/01/2009 04:44:52 A fair response in many ways Garreck but you are wrong on Sylph, we go off topic, but IÆm enjoying the reminiscing ... During the period in question, all but one of our allies (I'm sure you can guess who), held fire on Sylph at our request, as we encouraged all our allies, even known æpiratesÆ to respect neutrals in our turf. We in return did not interfere when they met Sylph on the battlefield, being very much of the mind that people need work out their own differences where possible. Sylph certainly had the numbers to handle this single threat alone. Behind the scenes, Sylph had a territory dispute going on with us over some minor system during which they took sov from us without warning. Tension mounted and some mercs then mysteriously turned up to take pot shots at us while gripes rained down from Sylph leadership about the fact we wouldn't refuse docking rights to people we had blue, and had blue since the days we fought beside ISS against IAC. Eventually as CVA applied pressure and everyone in Providence was scrambling to choose a side, Sylph opened up on us alongside the mysterious mercs while, I hope you note, we still had Sylph neutral. The rest as they say is history. So no, itÆs not a clear cut case of us driving them into your loving arms. Seems to me Sylph played the field to their advantage and succeeded.

Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:14:00 - [91] I have a question for CVA . Sylph Have become a burden that CVA are prepared to support , sylphs burden has become SSI . Are you prepared to support SSI , even though they have moved in an alliance they are mutual blue to , that openly brags it was formed to invade Catch and take if for itself ?. That includes sylph space by the way
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:29:00 - [92] And that is not even the whole picture. SSI publically stated on their GalNet site that their intention is to grow sufficiently, and then reset the Providence block. Whilst the CVA will of course have no love for U'K, at least we are honest and open in our intentions and consistent in our position. The same cannot be said for SSI who simply 'say what they must' to selfishly further their own cause. I'm not trying to justify our poisiton here, I don't feel we have to - we act unilaterally, in good cause, and have the capability and drive to see this campaign to its logical conclusion. In some ways SSI have been extremely foolish - they established an outpost 5 jumps from an -A- station system, without consulting them. They then threaten us. Given that we have a keen interest in not having our travel pipes blocked by upstarts with no regard for the wider political situation, we reacted proportionally to their threats. The combination of those two factors, and the threats SSI made to us before a shot was fired, along with the docking rights they have granted to GoonSwarm, do not bode well for their future in the area. SSI were shown last night the kind of firepower that can be brought to bear against them. Perhaps now they will consider their position more carefully and utlise the tools of diplomacy more carefully.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.17 15:08:00 - [93] It seems that all hope for peace between the parties in Catch is lost. I was hoping this would not be so. As for CVA and UK unless CVA denounces slavery and the Amarrian EmpireÆs stance on that it seems they will have constant friction with UK. AS for UK it seems as their fight for freedom will never cease. If they are not holding space nor care to hold space they truly have nothing to lose, other than ships which are easily replaced I am sure. Sylph seems to remain silent on this, and SSI really has not made any intelligent response whatsoever nor have they really defended these accusations of planning on turning on Sylph, CVA and Co. I wonder if at any time UK has ever reached out to Sylph to try to re knew diplomatic relations with them. As it seems there are 2 sides to the story of Sylph and UK one from CVA and one from UK but nothing from Sylph again. I wonder why the indifference to these matters happening on their front door. I wonder if there is any chance for peace amongst any of these groups and just the fact that you are talking makes me think that some day their might be. There is always hope. The fact that Sylph is silent and SSI can not articulate in the common language all too well makes me believe that, that might be harder to broker. However peace in catch could be attainable if the wounds of the past are allowed to heal. If I sound nanve here please forgive my nanvetT as I would hope to see peace amongst the stars. I dream of a place where, neutrals all work together and grow strong together, where neutrals and young corporations can flourish and grow. (man this mindflood is pure) I only ask is there no chance for peace in Catch and providence
Mister Builder SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:00:00 - [94] Again we came in peace,we wished to remain out of the war between uk and cva and co,we came down to to our own thing,but uk decided to attack first and as question later there were no talks at all from there side.then they demand us to pick a side in a war we wanted no part of then ofcourse we gonna choose the side that doesnt attack us any sane person would you dont repetedly stab a man while asking him to be friends now do you.as far as the goons go,you see 1 goon in system and suddendly were buddy buddy, the goon is a former allaince mate that left us to join them but i can see again uk does loves to make wild accusations with out any proof what so every. if youd listen to them they make us out to be the agressors here why for any reason would we chose to attack a much larger organization with out the proper manpower please dont be ridiculous.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:46:00 - [95] The issue here is not about slavery, it is about us having a station. You did not bother us until we put up the station, and then all of a sudden we became "evil slavers". Don't hind you greed behind moral superiority.
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:13:00 - [96] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 18/01/2009 00:15:41 Il Morte you have a pretty fair grasp of it. There is certainly a chance (remote I agree given CVA's presence) for peace in Catch and Providence, our terms are well known, my door is always open. SSI, lieing does you no favours, you and I both know diplomacy was attempted on several occasions. Harvest what you sow my friends, just as our death star harvests the hulls of you and your allies ships one by one.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Ironlenny The issue here is not about slavery, it is about us having a station. You did not bother us until we put up the station, and then all of a sudden we became "evil slavers". Don't hind you greed behind moral superiority. You work and support the act of slavery and those who carry it out. We attack all slavers equally and without prejudice, you can ask your friends Sylph how often we are spotted in their space. However what sets you aside, as it may seem, is that you are closer to the stations we currently base out of, meaning less travel time for our brave warriors. Originally by: Mister Builder edit:and to farther prove my statments you ask for us to side with you and now you drop a pos in our space to threaten our sov wich you have cleary stated many times that you had no interest in it yet more lies from uk The placing of a tower in your "space" is simply an instrument to force enguagements. Encourged by recent successful captial kills, (which I'm sure you are aware of) and the two large towers we liberated off you, we thought we'd put them to good use. This has already been a resounding success as this evening SSI, Sylph and Providence residents sent a fleet down to attempt, one must assume, reinforcement of the tower or at least incapp the mods. The results of this were 38 slaver ships killed including 19 battleships at the cost of 5 support ships for us. Several modules on the pos were successfully incapped, though the tower itself was not shot. They are currently being repaired, and the tower should be back to full working order soon. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:23:00 - [98] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 18/01/2009 00:15:41 SSI, lieing does you no favours, you and I both know diplomacy was attempted on several occasions. As I recall, your "diplomacy" consisted of showing up in system and making demands. I'm amazed we didn't fall in line right then and there.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:41:00 - [99] Ushra'Khan is not interested in the cause of slavery, they are interested in the cause of grief. They say they want peace, but they always engage in war. They call us liars, but are not truthful about their own motivations. ----------------------------------------------- Master off all trades, except for ore mining, gas mining, ice mining, t1 prod
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:52:00 - [100] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 18/01/2009 00:52:29 Unfortunately for you Ironlenny most people on this summit, friend and foe alike, know me to be a man of my word. I can recall three separate occasions that we discussed a diplomatic resolution with you. Once early in the piece when you were full of bravado and proud of your independence from CVA and Sylph, talked of just walking in and taking their space from them, and how you shot anyone and everyone who came through like real null-sec tough guys. Later I approached someone I assumed was high up in your command to find out who I needed to speak with for further diplomacy. The response was pathetic - it both mocked me for not knowing and lied to me about who actually leads you (the pilot in question claimed he did). Finally as we started ramp up pressure (in part due to the above exchange) your actual (well so I assume) diplomat approached me and asked for our terms. I stated them clearly as always and your diplomat offered us a once of delivery of ice instead. Laughable is a word that comes to mind when I consider the diplomatic abilities of your alliance.

Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:57:00 - [101] Originally by: Ironlenny Originally by: Karn Mithralia Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 18/01/2009 00:15:41 SSI, lieing does you no favours, you and I both know diplomacy was attempted on several occasions. As I recall, your "diplomacy" consisted of showing up in system and making demands. I'm amazed we didn't fall in line right then and there. I think the problem here is that you are not being informed of the diplomatic efforts we made prior to returning fire and the events leading up to the failed attempt by several alliances to reinforce our starbase. I have read the communiques sent from our diplomats to your diplomats, over the past 3 weeks, maybe longer, and you were given ample chance to publicly denounce slavery in order to avoid any further engagements by UK pilots. It could all have been over with very quickly and very easily if you had simply listened to our terms. You make too many assumptions, I fear. Jump Bridges? **** idea.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Mattduk I have read the communiques sent from our diplomats to your diplomats, over the past 3 weeks, maybe longer, and you were given ample chance to publicly denounce slavery in order to avoid any further engagements by UK pilots. You make demands, and try to coerce us into accepting them, sounds like typical bull tactics to me.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:23:00 - [103] So you admit you read them also then? They weren't demands. They were our terms, and let's be honest here, those terms are not exactly a surprise to anyone who has even half a finger on half a pulse.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:26:00 - [104] Do what we say or we'll shoot you. Sounds like demands to me. I'm not surprised by them, but let's call them for what they are.
Drakmor Gallente Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.18 03:23:00 - [105] Edited by: Drakmor on 18/01/2009 03:26:56 Sylphs Policy is not to reply on galnet to accusations or our policies the History between Slyph and Ushra'Khan is well known and Karn spin as much as you want Sylph was not a backstabber till you allowed pirates to operate from your outpost something we refused to do with CVA.. Then with word from your own FC Sapphrine time for Sylph to get off the fence and chose a side As for the SSI issue Sylph has always made friends and helped where we could.. No one from sylph are to respond to this post thats a standard policy spin as you wish we know what true fancy how Sylph are not Rpers but you still insist on running us down as slavers just becuase of a belief difference between you and CVA Drakmor Sylph President
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 07:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Drakmor Edited by: Drakmor on 18/01/2009 03:26:56 Sylphs Policy is not to reply on galnet to accusations or our policies the History between Slyph and Ushra'Khan is well known and Karn spin as much as you want Sylph was not a backstabber till you allowed pirates to operate from your outpost something we refused to do with CVA.. Then with word from your own FC Sapphrine time for Sylph to get off the fence and chose a side As for the SSI issue Sylph has always made friends and helped where we could.. No one from sylph are to respond to this post thats a standard policy spin as you wish we know what true fancy how Sylph are not Rpers but you still insist on running us down as slavers just becuase of a belief difference between you and CVA Drakmor Sylph President So you spin standard policy as well ?. Your alliance has become a wasted scrap of its former self Drakmor , I doubt there is more than a handful of former veterans from sylph who know the differences between Sylph & U'K . Who know the full story to even reply at all . I will not waste my time replying to SSI and their endless lies , as I stated before , SSi has become Sylphs burden , one that CVA seems to want to distance themselves from . We have our differences with CVA for sure , but they can at least see past the endless lies for what they really are . Sylph and the providence blocked failed last night in an attempt to remove our outpost . I throw a gauntlet to you Drakmor , your numbers greatly outnumber our small alliance . Just U'K & Sylph ,settle old wounds now , a fight to the end . What say you ? .
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:31:00 - [107] You still maintain nuetral standings SSI ? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=975144
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:34:00 - [108] Quote: i am representing SystemShockInitiative we are based in catch region and are part of a massive coalition formed to fight AAA Interesting ... *Let My People Go*
Mister Builder SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.18 23:13:00 - [109] you'll have to excuse the poster of that msg he knows not what he speaks of as he is to new to allaince to know what we do..but with your usaly lies you'll spin it how every ya want it is what ya do if anything it should read its against you s**and thugs in uk for ya unproked attacks up on but at this point i dont really give a what you think and grow sick and tired of your mindless bull**
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.18 23:22:00 - [110] The past few days have been a cause for much celebration in U'K. Fortune has favoured us. Though good fortune is, of course, backed up by a sound plan, and brave warriors to execute it. Until now, SSI have been something of a distraction, and nothing more. However since they rejected our diplomatic efforts, lied on GalNet, and the hurled abuse at our pilots in local, we knew something had to be done. We decided therefore to ramp up the pressure on SSI. The opening salvo was us disabling their station services, with a U'K only fleet, and a show of our conventional force. A few days later, more of their capital ships were destroyed in a successful baiting operation in their own cynojammed system, with additional firepower provided by -A-. We then decided to increase the pressure on them by making them the sole focus of our guerilla operations. Until now, they have only known passing gangs. For the past 48 hours, they have experienced something quite different. Our brave warriors have been relentless in denying them all use of their space, in an operation designed to hit morale and their wallets. Kills have been plentiful. To add insult to injury, we then anchored one of SSI's liberated Amarrian towers in their space. It was quickly assaulted, with only half its defences operational, by an 80 man fleet. However, well co-ordinated POS gunning and support work destroyed half their fleet, and forced a retreat. Later that day, will nearly all the starbase defences fully operational and manned, they tried again. Once more, well co-ordinated POS gunning resulted in the swift destruction of half of their battleships, forcing another retreat. The starbase is now fully operational, fully manned, and we await their next move with baited breath, eager to up the kill tally of their own large tower. As for Sylph alliance, we welcome their intervention. Cannon fodder is a cause for much celebration in the ranks of our brave warriors.

Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 09:41:00 - [111] Originally by: Mister Builder you'll have to excuse the poster of that msg he knows not what he speaks of as he is to new to allaince to know what we do. As the CEO of his corp he should know what you do. So you do not have the ability to jump from hi-sec into your own sov space? *Let My People Go*
Rorin Cutter Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:40:00 - [112] Originally by: O Thief A few days later, more of their capital ships were destroyed in a successful baiting operation in their own cynojammed system, with additional firepower provided by -A-. "Lights on computer" Grabbing a cup of strong coffee and reading the days headlines in the com-link, I am thinking that this is a interesting development, -A- supporting terrorists like Ushra'Khan. It shows that it might be time to come home and help my family out for a while.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:04:00 - [113] Originally by: Rorin Cutter "Lights on computer" Grabbing a cup of strong coffee and reading the days headlines in the com-link, I am thinking that this is a interesting development, -A- supporting terrorists like Ushra'Khan. It shows that it might be time to come home and help my family out for a while. My understanding is that -A- have been waiting for you and yours to assault them, and have been left wanting. I'm sure they would welcome any attempt, they are a bloodthirsty lot, to be sure. And we would surely assist in the defence of their space, and also look forward to the encounter.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:13:00 - [114] Originally by: Rorin Cutter Originally by: O Thief A few days later, more of their capital ships were destroyed in a successful baiting operation in their own cynojammed system, with additional firepower provided by -A-. "Lights on computer" Grabbing a cup of strong coffee and reading the days headlines in the com-link, I am thinking that this is a interesting development, -A- supporting terrorists like Ushra'Khan. It shows that it might be time to come home and help my family out for a while. In case you are not aware, your alliance is already supposed to be attacking -A-.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:08:00 - [115] Originally by: Rorin Cutter Originally by: O Thief A few days later, more of their capital ships were destroyed in a successful baiting operation in their own cynojammed system, with additional firepower provided by -A-. "Lights on computer" Grabbing a cup of strong coffee and reading the days headlines in the com-link, I am thinking that this is a interesting development, -A- supporting terrorists like Ushra'Khan. It shows that it might be time to come home and help my family out for a while. Would it be they forgot , or misplaced there communique regarding the war with -A- over the past several weeks conveniently ?. Or would it be that RZR are the ones who were paid off by SSI that they so loudly voiced at us fron within there outpost ?. Also is it not the North you call home , and not Catch ?. Whatever the circumstances we eagerly await a homecoming visit from you .
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:20:00 - [116] How fitting that the Hobos have joined UK while I was away - they have been eating out of other people's bins for quite some time. To read all this '-A- is doing this, -A- is waiting for that' by Smackdog and his cronnies reads like some pimpled kid that gets beaten up at school regularly and thinks it can threaten people with it's big brother. Ah well, at least you know people aren't afraid of you.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:28:00 - [117] A glowing example of Amarrian "culture" there, full of venom and little substance.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:36:00 - [118] Wrong, Tharrn, U'K was merely giving the appropriate credit to AAA, as any honourable warrior should understand.
Rorin Cutter Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:03:00 - [119] ôShaking my head slightlyö My ôAllegianceö is to the Empire, of course in this very trying time of all out war, I like many pilots find themselves firing on those large multi corporations who call themselves the ôGBCö. And of course there old and new pets. I just didnÆt realize that the GBC were supporting terrorists. Regardless, I am very sure I will take you up on your offer to meet. Of course we have met before, Ushra'Khan And I, and that didnÆt turn out so well for you. So being the honorable pilot that I am, I suppose I should leave 9UY out of it and give you another chance. On the other hand I am very happy you picked ûA- to be your new big brother, I expect the same that happened to IAC will also happen with Ushra'Khan and the problem will be solved.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:10:00 - [120] Originally by: Tharrn How fitting that the Hobos have joined UK while I was away - they have been eating out of other people's bins for quite some time. To read all this '-A- is doing this, -A- is waiting for that' by Smackdog and his cronnies reads like some pimpled kid that gets beaten up at school regularly and thinks it can threaten people with it's big brother. Ah well, at least you know people aren't afraid of you. Though I do find the phrase Smackdog and his cronies rather funny, by the way its only one "n" in cronies. If you actually read the posts my very uneducated slaver, you'll discover -A- was originally mentioned by a Razor Alliance member regarding their planned "invasion" of -A- space, along with other members of the Northern Coalition, and has nothing to do with you. Unless you are saying you are now aligning yourself with the NC of course? This campagne has been carried out almost soley by U'K forces, apart from two occasions when -A- help was needed to take down slaver allied capital ships. We have enguaged several slaver friends fleets made up of multiple alliances, including one run by your own, by ourselves, and won every major enguagement thus far. The aim of this campagne is to kill as many slaver ships as possible in the Catch, and so far it is proving very successful. Originally by: Rorin Cutter ôShaking my head slightlyö My ôAllegianceö is to the Empire, of course in this very trying time of all out war, I like many pilots find themselves firing on those large multi corporations who call themselves the ôGBCö. And of course there old and new pets. I just didnÆt realize that the GBC were supporting terrorists. Regardless, I am very sure I will take you up on your offer to meet. Of course we have met before, Ushra'Khan And I, and that didnÆt turn out so well for you. So being the honorable pilot that I am, I suppose I should leave 9UY out of it and give you another chance. On the other hand I am very happy you picked ûA- to be your new big brother, I expect the same that happened to IAC will also happen with Ushra'Khan and the problem will be solved. Very well. I'm sure Fredo will be very happy your "alliegance" is to the empire rather then Razor. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:39:00 - [121] Edited by: O Thief on 20/01/2009 16:42:34 Originally by: Tharrn How fitting that the Hobos have joined UK while I was away - they have been eating out of other people's bins for quite some time. To read all this '-A- is doing this, -A- is waiting for that' by Smackdog and his cronnies reads like some pimpled kid that gets beaten up at school regularly and thinks it can threaten people with it's big brother. Ah well, at least you know people aren't afraid of you. Perhaps you are being too selective in your reading? The vast majority of our reports from Catch focus on U'K only actions and achievements. We tend to act alone, unlike the CVA who have a rich history of hiding their weaknesses behind meatshields. Regarding my corporation, since you brought it up, we have a long and rich history of working with Ushra'Khan, since they first deployed Unity. You should should be more than aware of this, and it should be no suprise that we are brothers in arms with U'K today. As for people being afraid of us, I think actions speak louder than words, and the results of our campaign in Catch are clear for all to see. And whilst we are on the subject of fear, let me assure you of this - not one of us is afraid of you, slaver has-been.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:01:00 - [122] Ahh an interesting turn of events I see. It seems OÆ thief and his freedom fighters have planted a tower in Catch, and are assaulting KW regularly with great success. Does this mean that the once and mighty UshraÆKhan are looking to have space in Catch. Or is it just a way of eliminating SSI? I thought UK had stated that they want no space of their own and are happy not having sovereignty but it seems this has changed. My networks have also passed on that ûA- is talking about handing over Sovereignty to an old IAC system with an outpost in it as well near Jamunda. It looks as if UK is making a comeback here with force, or the rumors they are being pushed out of Curse is true and they need a home. The summary of events I see here and the future they hold are as follows. SSI has no chance of holding their space for long without direct help from CVA and the other alliances in the area. They have not the leadership, the pilots or the skills to do so. Therefore it is up to CVA, Sylph, Paxton, Sev3rance and others to keep those systems in SSIÆs hands at risk of their own losses. SSI does not seem willing to do anything to guarantee this success from them or non that I have seen. SO it would really be the goodness of the hearts of those alliance or their hatred of UK. Which means eventually UK will take over those systems, unless SSI hands them over to another alliance, or becomes a pet. Uk takes over the systems eventually. CVA, Sylph and anyone else use this opportunity to have a place they can then attack UK at. UK then goes on the defensive instead of the offensive and wind up trapped in the very systems they took from SSI. UK asks for help from ûA- to protect them from the onslaught of CVA and company. ûA- looks at the situation and says no thank you, hope you liked your freedom while you had it now go be taken over by the slavers, as ûA- and I have great respect for their abilities do not need to have CVA and allies (Who have remained neutral) against them as well in their conflict. If ûA- comes to aide UK in KW then Goons and the NC will be involved as well, CVA possibly being the part that turns the tide on ûA- and BoB. So Uk will be forced on their own. End result this endeavor all though being loads of fun to kill slavers is a lose lose for both SSI and UK. For SSI will lose their systems eventually, and UK will be assaulted and forced on the defensive again; eventually being pushed out with no help from ûA- and company. Yes the Firm and others might help out for awhile but they will grow weary of it as all mercenary alliances and corps due with time. SO I wonder what the end game is here for UK and for SSI, for the only ones I see benefiting in the end would be CVA itÆs holders and Sylph (nice non response by them), as they would then be able to offensively strike at UK .
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.20 21:38:00 - [123] Edited by: O Thief on 20/01/2009 21:43:14 Il Morte, thank you for sharing your views with us on GalNet. I would like to take the opportunity to offer you a few facts to help round off your analysis. Firstly, U'K at no stage have been forced out of Curse. Indeed, we have strengthened our position there with more infrastructure, and we are unchallenged in our chosen base. We did however rebase from more central Curse to be closer to Catch, and this was planned and executed well before other parts of Curse became busy due to wider galatic developments. The second point I would seek to make, is that we are not challenging sov in any system in Catch. We do not have tower superiority and have no plans to gain it. The reasons for anchoring the tower were simply the generation of fights around it, and the destruction of slaver-friendly vessels. In that aim, it has proved a most judicious investment (I say investment, the tower was liberated from SSI). I might also say that your analysis regarding -A- is somewhat lacking. -A- have demostrated a great love of opporunistic kills, and have demostrated this against the Providence block before, and no doubt will do so again. Needless to say, U'K are not lacking in foresight, and if we aquire static assets in the future such as outpost, we would certainly not do so without adequate defensive arrangements in place. As always we are open to peaceful resolution.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.21 22:39:00 - [124] Thank you O'thief I stand corrected.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.22 02:40:00 - [125] It's surprising just how much confusion there is regarding U'K motivations and methods. It's really quite simple; I'll summarize: * Those who are slavers are our enemy. This includes any action that we deem as furthering the institution of slavery. * Those who give aid to enemies are our enemy. This includes supporting (in terms of military, economics, logistics, or intel), forming political ties with, or otherwise aiding and abetting our foes. Note that peaceful coexistence with the ruling regimes of slaver-dominated Providence and Catch furthers their interests in securing their slave-fueled hell. * Those who attack us are our enemy. * Conversely, those who show an inclination toward opposing slavery or otherwise aiding our cause are welcome to discuss friendly status. For whatever reason, SSI has qualified for all three of the negative points listed above. They have members who have gleefully boasted on broadcast channels about how they mistreated slaves. They have admitted to negotiating friendly standings with an enemy and peacefully coexisting with the slaver overlords of Providence. And they have threatened and engaged our pilots. As to the onerous "demands" we've made upon SSI in several previous attempted negotiations, it shouldn't be too difficult to determine them based on the information above -- though we did find it necessary to add an additional requirement relating to a distressing lack of common courtesy from several of their members. We are confident that when SSI is tired of fighting, they know how to end the conflict. And as O Thief stated, "[We] hold no grudges against those who see the error of their ways."
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.22 12:55:00 - [126] Edited by: Niding on 22/01/2009 13:00:25 Considering the seemingly strong, tho misplaced, conviction with regards to "freeing slaves" from Amarrian rule, I find it curious that you embrace the power that is -A-. In many intergal communications UK have strongly objected to CVAs claims that shooting neutrals in Providence/Amarr space is NBSI, but infact all that live in Providence support CVA and are as such valid targets. What about Catch? Is NRDS embraced by UK there? If so, how does flying alongside an entity that personifies NBSI, namely -A-, measure up with your beforementioned "convictions and principles"? Dont get me wrong, Im not at all suprised to UKs twisting of the ROE as it suits them, such is the way of the terrorist afterall.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:44:00 - [127] This may surprise you slaver, but we do not feel the urge to hold all of the -A- pilots for nine generations of brainwashing to make them act as we do. We no longer hold space, and as such are not really in a position to request that -A- follow any ROE within our space now are we. That said even if we were to hold space I doubt we would be interested in negotiating on the behalf of those who were not actively fighting to end slavery with any NBSI group. There are those who fight slavery, and those who give comfort and support to slavery as far as I can see.
Cribb Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:01:00 - [128] Edited by: Cribb on 22/01/2009 15:02:03 Originally by: Niding Edited by: Niding on 22/01/2009 13:00:25such valid targets. What about Catch? Is NRDS embraced by UK there? If so, how does flying alongside an entity that personifies NBSI, namely -A-, measure up with your beforementioned "convictions and principles"? Dont get me wrong, Im not at all suprised to UKs twisting of the ROE as it suits them, such is the way of the terrorist afterall. Catch along with providence have never been NRDS. These two regions are the only exception, since they hold entities that support the Amarrian view on Slaves. And therefore are valid targets even if the are neutral. Understand this that those who support the CVA or its Amarrian Empire views in anyway be it mining, building, giving firepower support or generate isk for them or rent an office in one of there stations. Is a valid target for the U'K. As for SSI they had the change to redeem there selfs but as it turned out they tried to please bothsides by lying. And eventually choose their side, and now pay the price for it. ------- When in doubt, play loud
ZAXIMUS	Posted - 2009.01.22 22:41:00 - [129] hmmmmm ive talked to a few ppl and made inquires in to this matter SSI seems to have wanted to be nuetral to both sides they didnt want to get involed in uk's and cva little lover's spat and un uks lack of wisdom they decided to force ssi to pick sides. that is most troublesome cause if uk is looking to force ppl to do stuff your no better than the slavery you fight against and all the word play you can possiably come up with will not change the fact that your now demanding to make ppl slaves of your own uk has now become the monster they fought against i call upon the ppl to destroy both these beast uk and cva its time to end these games they play once and for all
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.22 23:12:00 - [130] If that were true Zaximus, then SSI would not have had the Providence slavers defend their outpost deployment, have been using Sylph jump bridges, or been in the intel channels used by the pro slavery forces. It is hard to be neutral under those circumstances.

Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 03:11:00 - [131] For those who, as Niding did, missed the announcement, Ushra'Khan publically announced our policies regarding RoE in the enslaved regions of Providence and Catch a year and a half ago: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=535036&page=1#3 The remainder of your commentary makes little sense. While CVA imposes their RoE on their pawns with an iron fist and threats of abandonment if not outright violence, Ushra'Khan does nothing of the sort. Those we choose to fight alongside are subject to their RoE, not our own -- so long as they don't make common cause with slavers. And we are not in the habit of soliciting advice from CVA regarding who we might choose to fight alongside against common foes. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 05:46:00 - [132] Originally by: ZAXIMUS hmmmmm ive talked to a few ppl and made inquires in to this matter SSI seems to have wanted to be nuetral to both sides they didnt want to get involed in uk's and cva little lover's spat and un uks lack of wisdom they decided to force ssi to pick sides. that is most troublesome cause if uk is looking to force ppl to do stuff your no better than the slavery you fight against and all the word play you can possiably come up with will not change the fact that your now demanding to make ppl slaves of your own uk has now become the monster they fought against i call upon the ppl to destroy both these beast uk and cva its time to end these games they play once and for all And joined Providence block fleets long before they decided to setup home in Catch . So nuetral they were not .
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 10:28:00 - [133] ZAXIMUS, are you by any chance related to Kelban Kevar? You both have the same strange dialect which seems to only know long single sentences. *Let My People Go*
Wotlankor Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 12:27:00 - [134] Originally by: ZAXIMUS hmmmmm ive talked to a few ppl and made inquires in to this matter SSI seems to have wanted to be nuetral to both sides they didnt want to get involed in uk's and cva little lover's spat and un uks lack of wisdom they decided to force ssi to pick sides. that is most troublesome cause if uk is looking to force ppl to do stuff your no better than the slavery you fight against and all the word play you can possiably come up with will not change the fact that your now demanding to make ppl slaves of your own uk has now become the monster they fought against i call upon the ppl to destroy both these beast uk and cva its time to end these games they play once and for all Compare style of writing to: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=958790&page=1#27
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:16:00 - [135] Edited by: Il Morte on 23/01/2009 14:16:47 . Originally by: Becq Starforged And we are not in the habit of soliciting advice from CVA regarding who we might choose to fight alongside against common foes. WHAT? I am a little confused here must be the mulled wine I am drinking I think it might be spiked wiht something, but why are you soliciting advice from CVA. If it is sarcasm then I must have missed it. Or, are you referring to someone else seeking advice from CVA. I thought the issue at hand here was the fact that UK is stomping on SSI and it seems that CVA doesn't want to help them, and UK doesn't want the space so if GMLH is left alone and no one goes there what will happen? Will UK simply pack up there tower and go? Kind of the old joke from long ago I once saw from Jove, "What would happen if someone threw a war and no one showed up" Oh and yes to the previous post it does seem that SSI is posting under an alt about attacking CVA, know this is getting interesting. Let me get some long limbed Roes and watch
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:27:00 - [136] Originally by: Il Morte Edited by: Il Morte on 23/01/2009 14:16:47 . Originally by: Becq Starforged And we are not in the habit of soliciting advice from CVA regarding who we might choose to fight alongside against common foes. WHAT? I am a little confused here must be the mulled wine I am drinking I think it might be spiked wiht something, but why are you soliciting advice from CVA. If it is sarcasm then I must have missed it. Or, are you referring to someone else seeking advice from CVA. I thought the issue at hand here was the fact that UK is stomping on SSI and it seems that CVA doesn't want to help them, and UK doesn't want the space so if GMLH is left alone and no one goes there what will happen? Will UK simply pack up there tower and go? Kind of the old joke from long ago I once saw from Jove, "What would happen if someone threw a war and no one showed up" Oh and yes to the previous post it does seem that SSI is posting under an alt about attacking CVA, know this is getting interesting. Let me get some long limbed Roes and watch Correct !....your confused !!!
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:28:00 - [137] Please note the use of the word "not" in the above quoted sentance. "We are not in the habit of soliciting advice from CVA..."
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.23 14:34:00 - [138] lol yeah I got that part. I was wondering if you meant that someone else is in the habit of soliciting advice from CVA and if so whom were you talking about. I would not think that UK would be soliciting advice from CVA in any way. The original post seemed a bit vague to me as to where it was going. It is early for me and I have been up all night with my mulled wine.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 15:21:00 - [139] Originally by: Il Morte lol yeah I got that part. I was wondering if you meant that someone else is in the habit of soliciting advice from CVA and if so whom were you talking about. I would not think that UK would be soliciting advice from CVA in any way. The original post seemed a bit vague to me as to where it was going. It is early for me and I have been up all night with my mulled wine. CVA do pretty much enforce their blue list and NRDS policy on all providence residents. It is impossible for them to break away from it. We do not enforce any ROE on anyone.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 15:25:00 - [140] Originally by: O Thief We do not enforce any ROE on anyone. Beyond 'you must be hostile to CVA to be friendly with us,' of course

Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 15:38:00 - [141] Mirkur was friends with U'K before joining the alliance, so I know that U'K don't enforce any blue list and that they don't enforce ROEs. *Let My People Go*
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 15:55:00 - [142] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief We do not enforce any ROE on anyone. Beyond 'you must be hostile to CVA to be friendly with us,' of course Further beyond 'you must be hostile to U'K to be friendly to us , ' of course
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:07:00 - [143] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief We do not enforce any ROE on anyone. Beyond 'you must be hostile to CVA to be friendly with us,' of course Further beyond 'you must be hostile to U'K to be friendly to us , ' of course Monkey see, monkey do.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:27:00 - [144] Originally by: Conlin Further beyond 'you must be hostile to U'K to be friendly to us , ' of course Neutral status to CVA is not dictated by whom you shoot at, rather whom you do not shoot at. The burden of enforcement of our policy in Providence is not "shoot these folks," but "you may only shoot these folks if you're going to be doing any shooting at all." Neutrality to Ushra'Khan has never been and is not currently grounds for CVA to fire upon an organization. This is a key difference in our policies, a difference which has changed minds about both of our organizations one way or another in the past.
Liza la'fabre Gallente Keep It Simple Stupid	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:29:00 - [145] hmmmmm ive talked to a few ppl and made inquires in to this matter SSI seems to have lied to be nuetral to both sides they did want to get involed in uk's and cva little lover's spat and un SSI lack of wisdom they decided to force CVA to pick ther sides. that is most troublesome cause if ssi is looking to force ppl to do stuff your no better than the slavery you fight for and all the word play you can possiably come up with will not change the fact that your now crying to make ppl slaves of your own ssi has now become the monster to be fought against i call upon the ppl to destroy both these beast ssi and cva its time to end these games they play once and for all Ooh i no means am i an alt really i'm not, cause i have a real corp.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:52:00 - [146] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Conlin Further beyond 'you must be hostile to U'K to be friendly to us , ' of course Neutral status to CVA is not dictated by whom you shoot at, rather whom you do not shoot at. The burden of enforcement of our policy in Providence is not "shoot these folks," but "you may only shoot these folks if you're going to be doing any shooting at all." Neutrality to Ushra'Khan has never been and is not currently grounds for CVA to fire upon an organization. This is a key difference in our policies, a difference which has changed minds about both of our organizations one way or another in the past. No need to spin slaver , as your boss says , Mr Rodj .......... Monkey see , monkey do
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 17:00:00 - [147] Edited by: Garreck on 23/01/2009 17:05:38 Originally by: Conlin No need to spin Quite right. Neutrality to CVA is good enough grounds for Ushra'Khan to fire upon an organization, while neutrality to Ushra'Khan is not good enough grounds for CVA to fire upon an organization. No need to spin that at all. Kind of speaks for itself for most folks.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 17:16:00 - [148] Originally by: Liza la'fabre Ooh i no means am i an alt really i'm not, cause i have a real corp. you cant fool me i no who u r also one one was a race horse two two was one two two two one one race and one one one one two although that works better on voice coms *Let My People Go*
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 17:59:00 - [149] Originally by: Garreck Quite right. Neutrality to CVA is good enough grounds for Ushra'Khan to fire upon an organization, while neutrality to Ushra'Khan is not good enough grounds for CVA to fire upon an organization. No need to spin that at all. Kind of speaks for itself for most folks. That isn't true at all. We only fire on neutrals in the two dedicated free fire zones, and those are zones where pilots entering the space contribute to the finances of slavery. There is no way you can contribute to the coffers of the slavers and be neutral, no way at all.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:21:00 - [150] Originally by: Algey We...fire on neutrals in the two dedicated free fire zones, and those are zones where pilots entering the space contribute to the finances of slavery. Yes. I'm not sure what the argument is. I'm not sure what I said that "isn't true at all." You fire on neutrals for docking in Providence, mining in Providence, transporting goods through Providence (whether you can prove they docked at a station or not.) Bit rediculous, in light of what Becq said earlier concerning who may be considered hostile to Ushra'Khan and why, and in light of what you're saying right here, for anyone in Ushra'Khan to claim that they do not try to impress an ROE upon anyone. Indeed, Ushra'Khan want to dictate who neutrals are hostile to, where they fly, where they conduct business, what route they transport their goods. To say "only as regards CVA and Providence" doesn't undo the above, it merely makes it more specific. These are the results of your policy...no spin required. This is the impression you leave on pilots who may otherwise not know anything at all about CVA or Ushra'Khan. This is what CVA pilots refer to as Ushra'Khan's diplomatic mistakes of the past being repeated. That is all. It is not an indictment. It is a fundamental difference in the way CVA and Ushra'Khan conduct our affairs.

Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:24:00 - [151] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief We do not enforce any ROE on anyone. Beyond 'you must be hostile to CVA to be friendly with us,' of course You say this as though it's some shocking revelation. If you read upwards just a bit, you'll see this: Originally by: Becq Starforged Those we choose to fight alongside are subject to their RoE, not our own -- so long as they don't make common cause with slavers. Do you know of any major political movements that make a habit of befriending the friends of those who institutionalize the torture of their kin? Have you made peace with the Sansha or Blooders yet?
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:36:00 - [152] All of a sudden CVA have something to say? Pity noone's listening.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:01:00 - [153] Originally by: Mattduk Pity noone's listening. Someone is always listening. This is why Ushra'Khan are here clarifying their position as well.
Aurevoir Connard	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:29:00 - [154] Very interesting indeed. I am listening really I am, as a freedom loving Gallente woman I believe that if we all just had a drink and relaxed it will be fine. However, as it stands if I fly through providence CVA will not shoot me as long as my intentions are honorable. I ask if I flew through Ushra Khan's areas would you do the same? It is always interesting to hear how 2 people in the same alliance can say different things but they mean the same. We attack only those that support the slavers. Everyone who is in providence supports slavers. Which translates to we kill everyone. Oh it is so nice to pretend it is all for your enslaved brothers but we know the truth, you care nothing for those who are enslaved. You just have personal vendetta's against the inhabitants of the area you used to roam and you are not men enough to admit it. The difference between you and the mercenary corps you hire to protect u, is the mercanary corps dont try to pretend to be somehting they are not, you try to be idealists and freedom fighters, you are mercanaries. At least CVA admits what they truly are, Religous freaks who own slaves. I fslavery is the price I must pay to have a place in 0.0 or low sec I can fly with what little safety can be offered than I say yeah to religous nut jobs. If Ushra Khan can offer me the same thing then yeah to them, but Ushra Khan does not nor do they care to.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:48:00 - [155] If CVA wish to justify their hypocritical stance to Ushra'Khans policy of engagement, they are welcome to start a new GalNet discussion to do just that. This discussion however, is not about the CVA or Providence. It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. If they wish to continue profitable business in the area they have little choice in the long-term but to renounce slavery and embrace freedom. We have demonstrated this clearly. We remain true to our word.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:50:00 - [156] If you're not with Ushra'Khan, you are a "slaver". There is no middle ground, in fact they do not want a middle ground because then they have no moral justification for all the problems they cause.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:51:00 - [157] Originally by: Ironlenny If you're not with Ushra'Khan, you are a "slaver". There is no middle ground, in fact they do not want a middle ground because then they have no moral justification for all the problems they cause. If you do not see slavery as immoral, there is little hope for a diplomatic solution between our alliances.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:54:00 - [158] Originally by: O Thief It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. Don't pop the cork on the champagne just yet. It would be a same if this quote came back to bite you in the rear.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:56:00 - [159] Originally by: Ironlenny Originally by: O Thief It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. Don't pop the cork on the champagne just yet. It would be a same if this quote came back to bite you in the rear. That sad truth is, you have no idea what I am talking about.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:57:00 - [160] Originally by: O Thief If you do not see slavery as immoral, there is little hope for a diplomatic solution between our alliances. Life is not black and white. People will do what they can to survive in the world. When you only give them the option to be for or against you, don't be surprised if they choose the latter.

Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 19:58:00 - [161] Originally by: O Thief That sad truth is, you have no idea what I am talking about. Please enlighten me, O Great One.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:00:00 - [162] Originally by: Ironlenny Please enlighten me, O Great One. Perhaps you should speak with your alliance leadership, your stance toward us seems a little 'different' to theirs.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:04:00 - [163] Originally by: Ironlenny If you're not with Ushra'Khan, you are a "slaver". There is no middle ground, in fact they do not want a middle ground because then they have no moral justification for all the problems they cause. Reading comprehension for the win. The reasons for SSI being treated as hostile can be found above. If SSI wants to be treated differently, SSI needs to consider how they might make it less obvious that they are pawns of the slaver regime. Here's a hint: broadcasting descriptions of depraved acts with slaves is not the best way to accomplish this. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:04:00 - [164] Last night we had an alliance wide op to hunt Ushra'Khan. I believe our stance is pretty clear.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:05:00 - [165] Originally by: O Thief It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. It shifted when -A- rolled in and set up shop. I'm fairly confident that anything happening in Catch now happens more or less at -A-'s whim; to that end, Ushra'Khan cozying up to -A- doesn't exactly constitute a balance of power shift.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:12:00 - [166] Originally by: Becq Starforged Reading comprehension for the win. Let me spell it out for you. Ushra'Khan sees the world in black and white. They don't take into a count things like Slyph Alliance being willing to help us, and Ushra'Khan not offering any kind of support to make up for what we would lose by setting Slyph to neut or red. It's all about practicality.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:13:00 - [167] Originally by: Ironlenny Last night we had an alliance wide op to hunt Ushra'Khan. I believe our stance is pretty clear. How intruiging. I can only assume, looking at our kill records, that your operation was less than optimally successful. I shall also assume that your alliance leaders orders not to provoke us whilst he tried to negotiate peace was a mirage, shall I? But it is most fascinating that your opinion differs so greatly from that of your leader, and recent diplomatic efforts made by him to bring about mutual positive standings. But if you do indeed speak on behalf of your alliance as you claim, then we look forward to a resumption of full hostilities. As the old pod pilot joke goes... you didn't want those ships/starbases/sovereignty anyway, right?
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:16:00 - [168] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief It is a fair warning to residents of Catch, that the balance of power is shifting. It shifted when -A- rolled in and set up shop. I'm fairly confident that anything happening in Catch now happens more or less at -A-'s whim; to that end, Ushra'Khan cozying up to -A- doesn't exactly constitute a balance of power shift. You choose to ignore the actual point I was making. I don't blame you. The fact of the matter is that residents of Catch no longer benefit from positive standings with the CVA. You are impotent in Catch (although I do not doubt, strong in Providence). The whole point of this GalNet transmission is to educate and inform those who reside in Catch, that the only logical path is to renounce slavery and embrace freedom. Our position is nothing more than common sense.
Ironlenny Minmatar SOUTHERN REAPERS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:20:00 - [169] Originally by: O Thief But if you do indeed speak on behalf of your alliance as you claim... I have never claimed to speak for my alliance. I am just offering up my own humble opinion of the situation. I am aware that there were attempts at diplomacy recently, but my understanding was that they had come to an end. If that is not the case, then I do apologize for the misunderstanding.
Cribb Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 20:22:00 - [170] Originally by: Aurevoir Connard If slavery is the price I must pay to have a place in 0.0 or low sec I can fly with what little safety can be offered than I say yeah to religous nut jobs. This line alone will make you a valid target, cause for your own safty you'de be willing to let others suffer. Come to curse fly around and we will not shoot, enter catch or Provi and you risk being shot since those 2 regions are NBSI, every other region we are would be NRDS. And since our stance is widely know it a choice you make not one we enforce. As to SSI they made there chioce to side against us, and now pay the price.

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:10:00 - [171] Originally by: Ironlenny Ushra'Khan sees the world in black and white.They don't take into a count things like Slyph Alliance being willing to help us Sylph we were well aware were helping you. You were seen by our scouts using their jumpbridge network, and we were aware of you passing intel to Sylph pilots about our movements. I hate to sound like a broken recording, but haven't we been over this a few times already? They cant save you. Despite numerical superiority they cant save their own pilots, why would they waste more valuable ships trying to save you?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:12:00 - [172] Edited by: Garreck on 23/01/2009 21:14:14 Originally by: O Thief You are impotent in Catch. Always have been. I think CVA is 0/3 in protecting allies (or, in one of those cases, a potential ally) entrenched in any other region than Providence. The balance of power in Catch is currently "don't get in -A-'s hair and you can exist." Ushra'Khan rhetoric about slavery (and indeed any counter-rhetoric from CVA) doesn't change that balance of power in the slightest. The balance of power was never "CVA will save the day!" The strategic influences in Catch have always been next-level compared to CVA's strategic capability. No change on that front either.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:25:00 - [173] Ive seen CVA riding in to save the day in Catch a few times in the recent past Garreck. I think the first occasion is actually mentioned in the first few pages of this thread, when you responded with a sniper fleet to an equal sized Ushra'Khan fleet. Unfortunatly as our sniper fits didnt contain cloaks (I know, shocking), we had to stand and grind your golden fleet into dust. Shame really.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:31:00 - [174] Originally by: Xennith Ive seen CVA riding in to save the day in Catch a few times in the recent past Garreck. Oh, we certainly fight in Catch. But Ushra'Khan misunderstands the situation badly if they think they're pushing into some sort of pro-slaver, pro-CVA bastion by bullying random organizations in Catch. I won't begrudge Ushra'Khan their kills against CVA vessels...but balance of power shift? It's really a pretty silly concept. When CVA enters Catch, we are the raiders, we are the hunted. Been that way for a spell.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:38:00 - [175] Fair enough, but I'd like to point out that Sylph alliance are very much Pro-CVA and have a firm presence in Catch. Hitting Sylph is hurting the slaver contingent, after all they are one of your... whats the word? "holders"? So yes, beating up on large alliances in Catch can and quite often is in line with the pursuit of the ultimate U'K goal of freedom for all. (Also vengance for some would be nice).
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:44:00 - [176] Sylph are not holders.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:48:00 - [177] Originally by: Solusar Sylph are not holders. Call them what you will, but you fight alongside them, and this makes them more than valid as a target from U'K perspective. They also reside in Catch, of course.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.23 21:58:00 - [178] Originally by: Ironlenny I suggest you read my posts more carefully next time, so little misunderstandings like this can be avoided. Perhaps you would be wise to avoid statements such as... Originally by: Ironlenny I believe our stance is pretty clear In the future, if you do not speak for your alliance. Although this is nothing new from SSI, maintaining any kind of coherent dialogue with your alliance is enough to test even the most patient of freedom fighters.
ZAXIMUS	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:42:00 - [179] Has it every occured to your tiny minds that ssi was nuetral to cva and the slavers in prov, and upon your attack they decided to see who hates you and have them help out. Myself i would have just simple asked before blindly attacking some one with out all the fact. But then again uk has never been known for there intelligents.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.23 23:54:00 - [180] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Ironlenny I suggest you read my posts more carefully next time, so little misunderstandings like this can be avoided. Perhaps you would be wise to avoid statements such as... Originally by: Ironlenny I believe our stance is pretty clear In the future, if you do not speak for your alliance. Although this is nothing new from SSI, maintaining any kind of coherent dialogue with your alliance is enough to test even the most patient of freedom fighters. i have somthing coherent. But i highly dout it is gonna be want you are expecting.SSI will be making a offical statment on all of this bs very soon.

Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.24 01:15:00 - [181] Well this is really getting interesting, balance shift in catch, CVA not knowing what they are talking about in regards to the current balance, UK negotiating with SSI, SSI telling their pilots not to provoke UK, UK stopped bubbling the KW station, UK calling Sylph pets oh sorry Holders of CVA, SSI to make an announcement soon. Sounds like SSI is planning to rollover on Sylph and the alliances who have helped them siding with UK finally. Can not wait to see how this ends. I await the announcement of SSI. I wonder if SSI rolled on their current allies how they would take that. This is better than that holoreal i wathced the other day, The one with Minmatar slaves revolting on their masters and making them perform unnatural acts on each other. What was that called..........OH Yeah One blew over the Cuckos nest
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.24 01:54:00 - [182] Originally by: Il Morte Well this is really getting interesting, balance shift in catch, CVA not knowing what they are talking about in regards to the current balance, UK negotiating with SSI, SSI telling their pilots not to provoke UK, UK stopped bubbling the KW station, UK calling Sylph pets oh sorry Holders of CVA, SSI to make an announcement soon. Sounds like SSI is planning to rollover on Sylph and the alliances who have helped them siding with UK finally. Can not wait to see how this ends. I await the announcement of SSI. I wonder if SSI rolled on their current allies how they would take that. This is better than that holoreal i wathced the other day, The one with Minmatar slaves revolting on their masters and making them perform unnatural acts on each other. What was that called..........OH Yeah One blew over the Cuckos nest well Il morte first while yes ssi have for a short time stoped engageing uk. we only fight to defend our selves and have always only fought to defend ourselve reguardless of what certain loud mouths have said.and also its common courtesy to stop attacks when in talks with another group even if the other side still attacks ppl in not there fualt they dont know how to be civil as for the statment i will issue i can say one way or another as i dont wanna spoil the suprise
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 02:05:00 - [183] Originally by: ZAXIMUS Has it every occured to your tiny minds that ssi was nuetral to cva and the slavers in prov, and upon your attack they decided to see who hates you and have them help out. Myself i would have just simple asked before blindly attacking some one with out all the fact. But then again uk has never been known for there intelligents. I wonder: if you had paid attention to the facts presented, would you still have flapped your lips? The irony is there, if you look hard enough. For those educated in Amarrian schools: diplomacy was attempted and suspended once it was known that SSI was working with our enemies, and showed no inclination to cease doing so. We tend to require as a prerequisite to peace that the other party ceases to befriend our enemies. I apologize if the logic is too subtle. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 03:04:00 - [184] Originally by: Kelban Kevar Originally by: Il Morte Well this is really getting interesting, balance shift in catch, CVA not knowing what they are talking about in regards to the current balance, UK negotiating with SSI, SSI telling their pilots not to provoke UK, UK stopped bubbling the KW station, UK calling Sylph pets oh sorry Holders of CVA, SSI to make an announcement soon. Sounds like SSI is planning to rollover on Sylph and the alliances who have helped them siding with UK finally. Can not wait to see how this ends. I await the announcement of SSI. I wonder if SSI rolled on their current allies how they would take that. This is better than that holoreal i wathced the other day, The one with Minmatar slaves revolting on their masters and making them perform unnatural acts on each other. What was that called..........OH Yeah One blew over the Cuckos nest well Il morte first while yes ssi have for a short time stoped engageing uk. we only fight to defend our selves and have always only fought to defend ourselve reguardless of what certain loud mouths have said.and also its common courtesy to stop attacks when in talks with another group even if the other side still attacks ppl in not there fualt they dont know how to be civil as for the statment i will issue i can say one way or another as i dont wanna spoil the suprise Less than three hours ago an SSI Machariel, flanked by a Myrmidon and a Drake, engaged my ship outside the station in KW-. Make your minds up. Regardless, you were told in no uncertain terms that SSI would continue to remain red during peace negotiations and that you should lay low as we will continue to engage you. Jump Bridges? **** idea.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.24 03:41:00 - [185] Originally by: Mattduk Originally by: Kelban Kevar Originally by: Il Morte Well this is really getting interesting, balance shift in catch, CVA not knowing what they are talking about in regards to the current balance, UK negotiating with SSI, SSI telling their pilots not to provoke UK, UK stopped bubbling the KW station, UK calling Sylph pets oh sorry Holders of CVA, SSI to make an announcement soon. Sounds like SSI is planning to rollover on Sylph and the alliances who have helped them siding with UK finally. Can not wait to see how this ends. I await the announcement of SSI. I wonder if SSI rolled on their current allies how they would take that. This is better than that holoreal i wathced the other day, The one with Minmatar slaves revolting on their masters and making them perform unnatural acts on each other. What was that called..........OH Yeah One blew over the Cuckos nest well Il morte first while yes ssi have for a short time stoped engageing uk. we only fight to defend our selves and have always only fought to defend ourselve reguardless of what certain loud mouths have said.and also its common courtesy to stop attacks when in talks with another group even if the other side still attacks ppl in not there fualt they dont know how to be civil as for the statment i will issue i can say one way or another as i dont wanna spoil the suprise Less than three hours ago an SSI Machariel, flanked by a Myrmidon and a Drake, engaged my ship outside the station in KW-. Make your minds up. Regardless, you were told in no uncertain terms that SSI would continue to remain red during peace negotiations and that you should lay low as we will continue to engage you. we shall not lowlay in our space we dont come to your space and tell you what to do. and come one tell the good ppl what you was doing before they engaged you, like shooting at the station or my guys its funny how you selectivly leave that kinda stuff out
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.24 05:48:00 - [186] Originally by: Il Morte Well this is really getting interesting, balance shift in catch, CVA not knowing what they are talking about in regards to the current balance... Well this is interesting. So you also believe the current balance of power does not already favor -A- who are enemies of CVA anyway? Or do you believe the issue of slavery is honestly a point of concern for anyone who currently holds sovereignty in Catch? Where is the balance of power shifting from, and what is it shifting towards? That's where I'm lost.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 07:18:00 - [187] Garreck , we have our differences , that is a certainty . I saw a small CVA contingency arrive in KW . Your pilots dictated religious scriptures to these SSI , only to be insulted by them . Are you here just to snipe at U'K ? , or here to show CVA support these SSI ?. I,ve been confused regarding SSI,s intentions from the very first day they arrived in Catch . They have continually wriggled and squirmed , used Sylph to their own benefits , tried to maintain they were nuetral when in fact that is far from the truth . So garreck , are you there new saviours now that Sylph have basically washed there hands of them ?, I wish you luck with that one if that is the case . They are hard work .
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.24 07:32:00 - [188] Originally by: Conlin Are you here just to snipe at U'K ? , or here to show CVA support these SSI ?. I am here to ensure CVA is not misrepresented, and to determine for myself precisely what the situation is in Catch that I apparently spend too much time patrolling and sparring with -A- fleets to really "understand." There are obvious complications with attempting to be SSI's "saviors," not the least of which being some apparent tactical confusion on their part, lack of a clear command structure, questionable involvement in the defense of their own assets, and of course setting up shop right next to -A- to begin with (an enemy which O Thief has correctly pointed out is happy to deploy strategic assets against us and has done so in the past effectively). Certainly we would like to see them succeed against Ushra'Khan, certainly we're happy to have an excuse to deploy forces against Ushra'Khan, but certainly we have no obligation to SSI nor do they have any obligation to us. And certainly CVA's primary deterent in Catch (-A-) holds sway on the balance of power there. Which is the source of my confusion concerning this "shifting balance of power" talk.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 09:31:00 - [189] A lot of the confusion has materialised from the lack of cohesion regarding SSI,s announcements . I personally was told from the start that U'K would feel the wrath of the providence block if we attacked SSI , there words not mine . This I hasten to add was from day one of contact with this alliance . Then we were informed they were nuetral to the Providence Block and had in fact stolen some of the systems within Catch from Sylph Alliance . Then we were told isk had changed hands between Sylph & SSI , and yet SSI were nuetral to Sylph etc . More confusion was added when we noticed SSI using & advertising jump bridge access to empire which they owned in a Sylph sovereignity & shared intel channels with Sylph . Lastly we were told , and this was the final straw for us , they were in fact part of a larger faction come to take Catch from Sylph , yet they involved Sylph & Severance in a failed attempt at an attack on our pos . Now to stop this from wandering off track here Garreck , and to stop the usual sniping of U'K pilots and CVA pilots , we want a simple announcement by SSI of their true intentions . They are red and a target due to there constant lies , and attacking U'K pilots from day one . They made there bed , now its up to them to lay in it . And I think youl,l find the term " a changing of powers !" , was possibly a sarcastic remark due to SSI,s constant claims .
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 10:08:00 - [190] Edited by: Poreuomai on 24/01/2009 10:12:44 Originally by: ZAXIMUS uk has never been known for there intelligents. Says the person who is an obvious mouth piece of SSI propaganda.

O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 10:20:00 - [191] Originally by: ZAXIMUS But then again uk has never been known for there intelligents. Wise words indeed.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 10:29:00 - [192] Garreck, I have said before I have no wish to turn this into another U'K versus CVA mudslinging contest. We both have our well documented positions and I feel no debate is really required. However, when we started this campaign, there were a number of Providence residents with strategic assets deployed in upper Catch. We systematically targetted these assets in a campaign of attrition, which led to the removal or destruction of many POS and a re-basing back to Providence of these entities. This is very much an ideological campaign for us. You do not need me to tell you that U'K have no interest or indeed capability to assault Providence directly (depsite our burning desire to do so and remove the spectre of slavery from that dark region). However, we certainly DO have the capability to fight any of the slaver-associated Catch residents, and will not rest until the long shadow of slavery is cast back into the region from which it came.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 11:16:00 - [193] Originally by: Kelban Kevar Originally by: Mattduk Less than three hours ago an SSI Machariel, flanked by a Myrmidon and a Drake, engaged my ship outside the station in KW-. Make your minds up. Regardless, you were told in no uncertain terms that SSI would continue to remain red during peace negotiations and that you should lay low as we will continue to engage you. we shall not lowlay in our space we dont come to your space and tell you what to do. and come one tell the good ppl what you was doing before they engaged you, like shooting at the station or my guys its funny how you selectivly leave that kinda stuff out Oooookay, professor! We're not leaving anything out. It's all documented right here. You were advised to 'lowlay' during peace talks between our two organizations. To this you responded that you understood what we meant by this. You acknowledged that you would remain red to Ushra'Khan and that negotiations of peace are not the first day of peace. To be quite honest, we want you to engage us! We couldn't believe our eyes last night when a Machariel, Drake and Myrmidon engaged one of our fleet outside the station. Of course, we knew that once we returned fire he would shut down all weapon systems, butt up against the station and hammer on the doors, screaming "let me in, let me in!" We'll take the Myrmidon kill though.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.24 18:45:00 - [194] Point of fact: we didn't require SSI to 'lay low'. SSI said they would lay low while making a decision, and we responded that that might be a wise decision to avoid conflict, as they would continue to be treated as hostile until an agreement was reached. But does it really matter who said what, when? SSI appears to have made their choice; so be it. May the ever-merciful Amarrian God have mercy on it's loyal subjects' unwitting meatshield. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.24 23:46:00 - [195] SO much for SSI's great announcement.
Cribb Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.25 03:41:00 - [196] Edited by: Cribb on 25/01/2009 03:41:47 Originally by: ZAXIMUS Has it every occured to your tiny minds that ssi was nuetral to cva and the slavers in prov, and upon your attack they decided to see who hates you and have them help out. Myself i would have just simple asked before blindly attacking some one with out all the fact. But then again uk has never been known for there intelligents. Well now muppet, you claim to be neutral to CVA from the start. Hmmm in the meantime before the shooting and mud slinging began. Members of your litle band of muppets have been seen with CVA friendly in their bio. This was before we made contact. So much for being neutral, sure you could argue it's there to fly safe throug provi. Then again if it ain't red they will not shoot, so neutral... guess not. Then there is the SyLPH pos in KW, again could be put up after you systimaticly denied being idiots. And then there is the fact that you choose the worst place in EvE to setup shop. In nomans land between two parties that well..... shoot each other and those aligned to them. How can you honestly think that we would say "sure be friends with SyLPH and there masters we don't care" You should have thought twice before taking sides. TICK TOK TICK TOK (occ: just had to do this ) Your deadline has passed, enjoy the ride, it going downhill from here on! ------- When in doubt, play loud
Mister Builder SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.25 05:04:00 - [197] As stated here is the statement. System Shock Alliance Statement of Position System Shock Alliance has always been an alliance built on personal freedom, and the belief all men and women are created equally. As such, SSI has instated an official policy of both anti-slavery and anti-piracy. From this day forward, SSI will not hold slaves, nor will it allow any member corporation to hold slaves. SSI would like to challenge all of their friends, allies and neighbors to follow suit in honor of Empress Jamyl I's decision to emancipate most of the Amarr slaves.And while this is a good start for the Amarr peoples i think it is possible that all slaves should and could be free.And what the Empress has done is a good first step in this general direction.And as this is a such a large undertakeing it is understandable that these things will take time to accomplish. SSI is dedicated to work with their allies in eliminating the threat of piracy to the greater Catch and Providence area . SSI strongly believes that piracy is the single biggest threat to the peace and security of our region, and will work to eliminate the threat. Signed Mister Builder Ceo OF System Shock Initiative
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.25 07:44:00 - [198] Hm. Yet another new voice claiming to speak for SSI. And this one makes honorable-seeming claims about abandoning slavery while kissing up to the Amarrian Empire and making disturbing familiar references to 'piracy' in the area. Could that be the infamous doublespeak of the Providence Slaver Regime I smell? And does this represent the official SSI position, or is it an (another) unauthorized attempt at diplomacy by an underling? -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.25 08:20:00 - [199] looks offical to me
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.25 10:43:00 - [200] Originally by: Mister Builder As stated here is the statement. System Shock Alliance Statement of Position System Shock Alliance has always been an alliance built on personal freedom, and the belief all men and women are created equally. As such, SSI has instated an official policy of both anti-slavery and anti-piracy. From this day forward, SSI will not hold slaves, nor will it allow any member corporation to hold slaves. SSI would like to challenge all of their friends, allies and neighbors to follow suit in honor of Empress Jamyl I's decision to emancipate most of the Amarr slaves.And while this is a good start for the Amarr peoples i think it is possible that all slaves should and could be free.And what the Empress has done is a good first step in this general direction.And as this is a such a large undertakeing it is understandable that these things will take time to accomplish. SSI is dedicated to work with their allies in eliminating the threat of piracy to the greater Catch and Providence area . SSI strongly believes that piracy is the single biggest threat to the peace and security of our region, and will work to eliminate the threat. Signed Mister Builder Ceo OF System Shock Initiative So you are asking the Providence Block to renounce slavery , but you help the Providence Block in the same breath ?. When you mention friends & allies why cant you just say CVA & SYLPH etc ?. You have made so many statements Im finding this one so hard to believe , time will tell I guess . unfortunately you are still supporting slavery even though you politely ask your allies to renounce it . I will be watching your pilots very closely from this day forth regarding anti freedom slurs & slaves . If this is a genuine attempt at removing hostilities between U'K & your alliance I hope you have remembered to tell the rest of your alliance before they make "another" statement . Hostilities still remain between us I see from the engagement I had with Sylph today involving a Keres pilot from your alliance .

Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.25 11:38:00 - [201] Edited by: Poreuomai on 25/01/2009 11:47:02 Originally by: Mister Builder From this day forward, SSI will not hold slaves, nor will it allow any member corporation to hold slaves. This is of course to be welcomed, though it does suggest you had been holding some. Originally by: Mister Builder SSI is dedicated to work with their allies in eliminating the threat of piracy to the greater Catch and Providence area . Who would these allies be, if I may ask. Is it true you were backstabbed recently? Originally by: Kelban Kevar looks offical to me That might be because Mister Builder (on the 23rd day of the 1st month) said in KW's local communications channel that he is, how shall I say, a very close relative of yours. Which, again, was no surprise given the peculiar dialect that you generally share.
Cribb Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.25 12:43:00 - [202] Edited by: Cribb on 25/01/2009 12:45:03 Edited by: Cribb on 25/01/2009 12:43:28 Originally by: Mister Builder As stated here is the statement. System Shock Alliance Statement of Position System Shock Alliance has always been an alliance built on personal freedom, and the belief all men and women are created equally. As such, SSI has instated an official policy of both anti-slavery and anti-piracy. From this day forward, SSI will not hold slaves, nor will it allow any member corporation to hold slaves. SSI would like to challenge all of their friends, allies and neighbors to follow suit in honor of Empress Jamyl I's decision to emancipate most of the Amarr slaves.And while this is a good start for the Amarr peoples i think it is possible that all slaves should and could be free.And what the Empress has done is a good first step in this general direction.And as this is a such a large undertakeing it is understandable that these things will take time to accomplish. SSI is dedicated to work with their allies in eliminating the threat of piracy to the greater Catch and Providence area . SSI strongly believes that piracy is the single biggest threat to the peace and security of our region, and will work to eliminate the threat. Signed Mister Builder Ceo OF System Shock Initiative You call this a statement....! Although one might say... good for you! The thing with the harlets Jamyl I's words is they don't mean a thing. Yeah lets set them free, they are practicly Amarrian citizens anyway. Still thousands of mimatar are still enslaved, set them all free and let them choose there own faith. Now that would be the only right thing to do. Now as for you statement, seems to me you just copied the Provblock leaflet. Shame to see you could not come up with a statement of your own. This is no way out, saaying slavery is bad and everyone must drop it, but not taking any action against it. Think cowardice is the term, understandable since you are so small. It's only logic to side with the bigger crowd and narate their words cough PIRACY cough. We'll be watching you close, and pleas can you appoint one spokes person cause this is getting silly. Looks to me this alliance is run by chaos instead of firm leadership. ------- When in doubt, play loud
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.25 14:55:00 - [203] Well it seems to me that SSI is not doing anything. How boring somuch time wasted, so much time. To sum up it sounds that SSI is saying they renounce slavery so UK leave us alone we renounce it we dont have any salves. But they dont want to upset CVA on this so they are gonna worl with their allies to put out piracy. First question would be: Who are your allies SSI you will be working with say it already Second WHo are these said pirates you speak of? After all no one refers to UK as pirates only terrorists or freedom fighters depending on what side you are on. third How will you react to UK flying through your space? Will Sylph be happy if you let UK get a free pass to and from your systems? Again a statement is made withut much thought behind it. It basically said nothing. Actions will speak when the first UK gang heads up the line to hit Sylph and CVA as to how you react.
Ugleb Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.01.25 16:00:00 - [204] Originally by: Mister Builder SSI would like to challenge all of their friends, allies and neighbors to follow suit in honor of Empress Jamyl I's decision to emancipate most of the Amarr slaves.And while this is a good start for the Amarr peoples i think it is possible that all slaves should and could be free.And what the Empress has done is a good first step in this general direction.And as this is a such a large undertakeing it is understandable that these things will take time to accomplish. In honour of that witch they call an Empress? Emancipation of most of the slaves? What an insult that is. The proclamation freed a mere fraction of the total populace, and then only releasing slaves born from the 9th generation! Only the most estranged and indoctrinated were let go, and that was a token political gesture. It represents no real will to end the practice of slavery, it serves only to offer other slaves false hope that if they obey, then they too might win freedom through subservience. It is a charade, a puppet show, to display the great 'mercy' of the Amarr. Yes my friend, freedom is yours, for the mere price of generations more spent upon your humbled knees. And you Mister Builder? You hope to turn a blind eye, yes? Touch no slave yourself but trade with their masters? Help build their pens and shock collars? Ahh but your hands will be clean, having touched no slave with your own hand! I think not. Contact the Sarz'na Khumatari
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.25 16:02:00 - [205] I'm not sure what that statement is meant to achieve, but let me descibe the emotion it invoked in me - anger. This is the (untenable) position you tried to maintain at the start, when your pilots made threats toward us and attempted to block our travel pipes. And now we have this meaningless statement where you appear to want to please U'K and CVA in the same breath. Nothing has changed, SSI - nothing. You release contradictory statement after contradictory statement. Our peace terms were made very clear to you, and at one point you seemed to accept them. I can only see further bloodshed on the horizon.
Mister Builder SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:51:00 - [206] no you have made ya demands to us for being your slaves to very clear. and i find it funny that you expect the amarr ppl to let all the slaves go right now; what the Empress did is a good first step in the right direction.and since slaves are just normal ppl there is not the many generations of slaves left alive the 9th were released would mean only the 8th and 7th would still be alive maybe some 6th but not many since there not cloned like us pod pilots. and im all for freeing them all but before that could be done the correct infastuture would have to be inplace for the amarr to take over the jobs the slaves fill themselves wich would take time. Attacking them only make them cling to there ideal that much more,you can not kill a ideal only change it and you all dont seem to understand that. Also let not forget the fact you only took on this role after you all was removed from providence and you use this to cover up your long standing grudge with cva.
Jon Rocks Amarr Rothana Heavy Industries The Black Isle	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:23:00 - [207] O'thief, While your courage and resolve may be strong, you lack in many things. You claim to rid catch of the slavers and make grand statements about such. But...But, you have chosen your target and region to carefully. First, you blue up to the region "powerbloc" which makes you less nervous on your roams. Sure, you have SSI and sylph, neither known for there PvP elitism. Also knowing that SSI space is an inconvenient 12jumps or so around from Providence and if you go south its even more dangerous with -A-. Ahhh, Providence, CVA and there holders.. Your approach is that you cant break it so why bother. Its easier down here. Your not doing your people any good by taking the easy road. You are born of a slave and you may find that you will always have that blood and mentality. You would be better served joining a faction warfare gang and serving your people that way. Or, report to a slave colony.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.26 03:36:00 - [208] Edited by: Becq Starforged on 26/01/2009 03:36:22 Originally by: Mister Builder and i find it funny that you expect the amarr ppl to let all the slaves go right now; what the Empress did is a good first step in the right direction.and since slaves are just normal ppl there is not the many generations of slaves left alive the 9th were released would mean only the 8th and 7th would still be alive maybe some 6th but not many since there not cloned like us pod pilots. Only if you ignore the men, women and children that are continually enslaved daily, even to today. But hey, they don't matter, as long as it doesn't affect your bottom line, eh? Quote: and im all for freeing them all but before that could be done the correct infastuture would have to be inplace for the amarr to take over the jobs the slaves fill themselves wich would take time. It sure does take time. They've been at work on that for a thousand years, but hey, maybe it will be done next year. Quote: Attacking them only make them cling to there ideal that much more,you can not kill a ideal only change it and you all dont seem to understand that. Oh, we do. Having been under attack for a THOUSAND YEARS, we understand how that works. Quote: Also let not forget the fact you only took on this role after you all was removed from providence and you use this to cover up your long standing grudge with cva. Becq gives a blank look Huh. Not even sure what that was supposed to mean. We only took ... which role, exactly? Attacking SSI? Raiding Catch? Ah, never mind. You made your choice, and we'll live with it. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:45:00 - [209] Originally by: Jon Rocks O'thief, While your courage and resolve may be strong, you lack in many things. You claim to rid catch of the slavers and make grand statements about such. But...But, you have chosen your target and region to carefully. First, you blue up to the region "powerbloc" which makes you less nervous on your roams. Sure, you have SSI and sylph, neither known for there PvP elitism. Also knowing that SSI space is an inconvenient 12jumps or so around from Providence and if you go south its even more dangerous with -A-. Ahhh, Providence, CVA and there holders.. Your approach is that you cant break it so why bother. Its easier down here. Your not doing your people any good by taking the easy road. You are born of a slave and you may find that you will always have that blood and mentality. You would be better served joining a faction warfare gang and serving your people that way. Or, report to a slave colony. You seem to lack in many things also , one of them is knowing what your actually talking about . I have no idea who you are , maybe just another SSI hiding under another name , one thing I do know , -A- contacted us first regarding standings . We'd been roaming Catch / Provi & Curse long before friendly standings with -A- . So why that is an issue is beyond me , possibly beyond you .
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.26 05:51:00 - [210] i find it funny as hell that anytime some one disagres with uk, that there suddenly supposed to work for my allaince lol you guys of so full of ya selves its just totaly funny

Suitonia Gallente interimo End of The Line.	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:20:00 - [211] So, System Shock Intiative wish to be allies and neutrals to whoever it is convient for them at the time, you claimed you would reset the Providence block when you could. You seem like a very selfish alliance that only wants to further its own goals while trying to stay neutral to anyone who could oppose you. You cannot embrace slavery, and help enforce the slavers KOS list and intel channels while remaining neutral to freedom fighters. If you truly are neutral in the war of slavery then you should distance yourself from the Providence alliances which all support slavery, aiding the enemy of freedom makes your an enemy by association.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.26 08:24:00 - [212] yet another guilt by association speech how nice and predictable.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.26 10:47:00 - [213] Originally by: Jon Rocks But...But, you have chosen your target and region to carefully. I will take that as a compliment, thank you. Originally by: Jon Rocks First, you blue up to the region "powerbloc" which makes you less nervous on your roams. Sure, you have SSI and sylph, neither known for there PvP elitism. Also knowing that SSI space is an inconvenient 12jumps or so around from Providence and if you go south its even more dangerous with -A-. Ahhh, Providence, CVA and there holders.. Your approach is that you cant break it so why bother. Its easier down here. Your not doing your people any good by taking the easy road. You are born of a slave and you may find that you will always have that blood and mentality. You would be better served joining a faction warfare gang and serving your people that way. Or, report to a slave colony. This just shows that you; generally know nothing and have read none of this transmission. Please go back, read from the beginning, and then repost. If you expect an explaination for what we're doing at least have the decency to be aware of what is actually happening. If you still think your point is valid after reading back. Well, I think settle on, our stats speak for themselves.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.26 12:57:00 - [214] Originally by: Kelban Kevar i find it funny as hell that anytime some one disagres with uk, that there suddenly supposed to work for my allaince ... Given your previous attempts of deception, are you surprised?
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.26 13:16:00 - [215] Originally by: Mister Builder no you have made ya demands to us for being your slaves to very clear. and i find it funny that you expect the amarr ppl to let all the slaves go right now; what the Empress did is a good first step in the right direction.and since slaves are just normal ppl there is not the many generations of slaves left alive the 9th were released would mean only the 8th and 7th would still be alive maybe some 6th but not many since there not cloned like us pod pilots. and im all for freeing them all but before that could be done the correct infastuture would have to be inplace for the amarr to take over the jobs the slaves fill themselves wich would take time. Attacking them only make them cling to there ideal that much more,you can not kill a ideal only change it and you all dont seem to understand that. Also let not forget the fact you only took on this role after you all was removed from providence and you use this to cover up your long standing grudge with cva. You would have helped your cause by writing your own statement. Playing silly political games with us, whilst doing nothing of substance to renounce your support for slavers, is not going to get you very far. I'm sorry SSI but you cannot allow someone elses words to spin your way out of this one.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.26 14:20:00 - [216] Kelban, Please announce specifically what you plan to do and how you plan to act in regards to my previous questions to your alliance. You speak in circles and you need to take a stand, make allies, and become part of the politics; otherwise get the hell out of Catch. As an independant observer in this I would be weary of your alliance at this time regardless who I was, There are great questions and rumers as to the trustworthiness of your alliance amongst the residence of Catch and Providence. You need to take a specific stand and side cause playing both sides may seem ok to you but it will eventually haunt you. If you want this all to end then you need to choose. Either you will embrace the freedom fighters of UK, or the Slavers of CVA, or act as Sylph and not care either way whether slavery exists or not but align yourself with group, simply to beter your alliance. But you need to choose and be specific. Then since you obviously lack the capabality to defend yourself or your space, You need to ask the leaders or commanders of those alliances for help in your defense, or offense depending on who you choose, but you will not be able to have peace on both sides. It does not work that wayin Catch, it never has and probably never will.
Hisuami	Posted - 2009.01.27 09:24:00 - [217] Well SSI and Kelban - I can understand your desire to be neutral to everyone, it's good for business, but simple fact is that you are free to choose your actions, not your surroundings. You are in the middle of warzone between two ideologically opposed entities and it seems you didnÆt take that into account when moving in. Reasons why UÆk operates NBSI in catch and providence have been discussed here at length, that includes indirect support of slavery via trade and profit generation for slavers, but itÆs also tactical consideration for the safety of our pilots that in warzone we treat everyone as hostile until proven otherwise. We cannot have luxury of having neutrals who might or might not be passing intel to our enemy, trading or otherwise supporting slavers. To the best of our abilities weÆve informed pilots around world of eve about our stance in area of question and if they choose to ignore it, as you did, then they have only themselves to blame for being ignorant of surroundings. Simple fact of the matter is that you cannot play both sides against middle, not when you are in the middle of warzone, not when you are in position to relay intel to our enemies, not when safety of our pilots is at stake. These are my own views and do not necessarily represent those of the UshraÆKhan.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.27 09:44:00 - [218] Originally by: Hisuami These are my own views and do not necessarily represent those of the UshraÆKhan. However, I think you are pretty spot on with your account of the situation.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.27 16:56:00 - [219] Very interesting thing I noticed this morning while having my mulled wine. I checked the galactic maps and it seems SSI no longer has GMLH. Unity does. Does this confirm that freedom is making a comback in lower catch? Has SSI made a deal with UK or just finally the inevitable happened. Do tell do tell please do tell.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.27 18:46:00 - [220] Originally by: Il Morte Very interesting thing I noticed this morning while having my mulled wine. I checked the galactic maps and it seems SSI no longer has GMLH. Unity does. Does this confirm that freedom is making a comback in lower catch? Has SSI made a deal with UK or just finally the inevitable happened. Do tell do tell please do tell. SSI leadership has varying ignored or spurned our terms, thus choosing to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution. It's a shame, really, since they are an otherwise irrelevant entity, and would never have needed to endure our fire had they not chosen the wrong home and cultivated the wrong allies. On a no doubt entirely unrelated note, there have been several unconfirmed reports of large energy spikes at several SSI station locations. While it's possible that SSI staff simply forgot to turn the bathroom lights off (all at once), the energy readings are more reminescent of fleet assaults against stations. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!

Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.27 18:46:00 - [221] Originally by: Il Morte Very interesting thing I noticed this morning while having my mulled wine. I checked the galactic maps and it seems SSI no longer has GMLH. Unity does. Does this confirm that freedom is making a comback in lower catch? Has SSI made a deal with UK or just finally the inevitable happened. Do tell do tell please do tell. The situation is SSI are still trying to play both sides of the field through lies and tricks . Yesterday we finished off any last remains of SSI presence in GMLH . Hostilities between U'K & SSI are increasing daily . We know our limits and are watching the situation very closely as to the provi blocks response , so far their has been none . Time will tell .
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:32:00 - [222] Originally by: Il Morte Very interesting thing I noticed this morning while having my mulled wine. I checked the galactic maps and it seems SSI no longer has GMLH. Unity does. Does this confirm that freedom is making a comback in lower catch? Has SSI made a deal with UK or just finally the inevitable happened. Do tell do tell please do tell. Being honest, no deals have been reached, though not through lack of our trying. Our terms remained unchanged from day one. The sov issue you highlight is just a result of the fighting, and was not planned. SSI's last remaining large tower in that system was destroyed very late last night, and this caused the flip to U'K sov. It was almost an unintended consequence (we originally wanted neutral sov to prevent them using a cynojammer), and I'm not sure if we will even keep static assets in the system since our goal of removing their infrastructure has been achieved. I guess we'll liaise with -A- regarding that since it is technically their space. The irony is that the tower claiming Sov is one of the liberated Amarr towers from SSI. Beaten by their own assets - it has raised a smile on our side of the fence, to be sure.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.27 23:47:00 - [223] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Il Morte Very interesting thing I noticed this morning while having my mulled wine. I checked the galactic maps and it seems SSI no longer has GMLH. Unity does. Does this confirm that freedom is making a comback in lower catch? Has SSI made a deal with UK or just finally the inevitable happened. Do tell do tell please do tell. Being honest, no deals have been reached, though not through lack of our trying. Our terms remained unchanged from day one. The sov issue you highlight is just a result of the fighting, and was not planned. SSI's last remaining large tower in that system was destroyed very late last night, and this caused the flip to U'K sov. It was almost an unintended consequence (we originally wanted neutral sov to prevent them using a cynojammer), and I'm not sure if we will even keep static assets in the system since our goal of removing their infrastructure has been achieved. I guess we'll liaise with -A- regarding that since it is technically their space. The irony is that the tower claiming Sov is one of the liberated Amarr towers from SSI. Beaten by their own assets - it has raised a smile on our side of the fence, to be sure. your terms are a joke,in fact there not terms at all there demands that would turn my allaince in to subservant slaves for you and you damn well know it, and we both know you all damn well wanted that system dont sit here and lie aboiut it then point fingers other places. every one at this point knows damn well uk dont give a damn about slaves you just hate cva so much you have to since there removal of you from prov you'll do anything to try and get it back but,but if it was just a grudge match you'd get no recruites hence the "rp" excuse.then to top it all off you still cant mess with cva so you have to find the newest kid on the block and step on them.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:08:00 - [224] Kelban, do you have any idea how long U'K has been fighting slavery? You are aligned with the Providence slavers, and find it strange that we find that a little annoying, maybe even slightly distasteful? You wish to be allied to them, that is your choice. I do not believe for a second there is anyone who thinks we'd ignore that alliance though.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.28 00:34:00 - [225] i know your historys very well
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:25:00 - [226] Originally by: Kelban Kevar i know your historys very well I say you dont !!! I say answer Il Morte , he was impartial from the start , but the more you ignore his simple recquests , the more foolish you are becoming . Even your friends are giving up on you .
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:34:00 - [227] Enjoy the freedom granted by your benevolent new ~~masters~~allies while it lasts. If they haven't sent their lawyers over with the documentation of the 'minor details' of the agreement you've entered with them yet, no doubt you have an interesting discussion coming soon. Pray to your new 'god' that it doesn't involve any vials of 'medicine' for your own protection.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.28 07:12:00 - [228] Originally by: Il Morte Kelban, Please announce specifically what you plan to do and how you plan to act in regards to my previous questions to your alliance. You speak in circles and you need to take a stand, make allies, and become part of the politics; otherwise get the hell out of Catch. As an independant observer in this I would be weary of your alliance at this time regardless who I was, There are great questions and rumers as to the trustworthiness of your alliance amongst the residence of Catch and Providence. You need to take a specific stand and side cause playing both sides may seem ok to you but it will eventually haunt you. If you want this all to end then you need to choose. Either you will embrace the freedom fighters of UK, or the Slavers of CVA, or act as Sylph and not care either way whether slavery exists or not but align yourself with group, simply to beter your alliance. But you need to choose and be specific. Then since you obviously lack the capabality to defend yourself or your space, You need to ask the leaders or commanders of those alliances for help in your defense, or offense depending on who you choose, but you will not be able to have peace on both sides. It does not work that wayin Catch, it never has and probably never will.
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.28 07:36:00 - [229] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Kelban Kevar i know your historys very well I say you dont !!! I say answer Il Morte , he was impartial from the start , but the more you ignore his simple recquests , the more foolish you are becoming . Even your friends are giving up on you . and to conlin please run away more from me i find it very funny
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.01.28 07:41:00 - [230] To be honest, being sandwiched inbetween UK and Slyph, SSI must make its choice carefully. If I were in their shoes it would be best to side with who is more powerful. Since UK has -A- looming in their background, it would be smart to not aggravate friends of -A-. Even though -A- is in a major war with goons/whomever, they are easily the most powerful group in catch and can rollover the providence block with ease. SSI has to pick a side regardless of their views towards slavery, as this force will sweep over SSI's cozy little space if given any motivation to do so. It is a quagmire for SSI. Siding with CVA will mean that if CVA commits to the defense of SSI space (if UK attacks sovereignty claims), one quick convo or request will lead to the destruction of any defense fleet the prov block will muster at the hands of -a- (it is undoubtable that -a- will jump on the opportunity to kill a cap fleet if asked to do so by UK) On the other hand, SSI can side with UK, aggravating Slyph and the Prov block. Slyph lives very close to SSI, and constant struggles will result. SSI needs to choose quickly, or face a takeover by -A- (their war will last as long as the north is committed to helping goons).

Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 08:39:00 - [231] Lets be very clear Kelban. a) We have no masters, our friendship with -A- is based on mutual respect and mutual goals. Ask them. b) We don't want your space, but that doesn't mean we won't base from it if its falls into our hands due to your incompetence. One tower is hardly a serious play for turf. As has been repeatedly said you are simply in the way, loud mouthed, full of crap, and un-able to conduct diplomacy even if its presented to you on a plate. For those wishing to know the outcome of U'K's last offer to SSI here it is: Seeing a desire for peace amongst SSI's membership, U'K once more offered our terms for surrender with a deadline for response. While Kelban attempted to negotiate our non-negotiable terms his men (I use the word in its widest sense) continued their tirade of lies and abuse. Kelban then sort to muddy the waters by renouncing slavery (something we never accused you of), and in doing so entirely missed the point. KelbanÆs attempts to negotiate disintegrated into further accusations and pathetic distortions of the truth, until, as the deadline passed, our diplomats cut comms. With some relief I might add. The desperate man has nothing to bargain with, he either surrenders or he lives up to his fate. You cannot have it both ways Kelban. You will now find U'K's diplomatic door shut, we will waste no more energy talking with you. See you in space.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:09:00 - [232] Originally by: Kelban Kevar To answer your question we did try to stay non alignd to any one As has been stated repeatedly throughout this thread, your definition of neutral needs some work. You were allied with Sylph, a known friend of slavers, you stated that you wished to sell supplies to slavers, you were observed using Sylph jumpbridges to perform your logistics, you passed information about U'K freedom fighter movements to our enemies, and spent some considerable time in local channels talking about how you were arbitarily executing slaves. Regardless of what lies you are trying to spin, Ushra'Khan exists for the sole purpose of freeing slaves. Killing slavers and their allies is a very important part of this. Claiming territory is not. I am glad that diplomacy has been abandoned, frankly I'm amazed that our diplomats have been able to maintain negotiations for so long. We come for our people
Squinaki Gallente Immortal Trinity	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:25:00 - [233] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Lets be very clear Kelban. Seeing a desire for peace amongst SSI's membership, U'K once more offered our terms for surrender with a deadline for response. While Kelban attempted to negotiate our non-negotiable terms his men (I use the word in its widest sense) continued their tirade of lies and abuse. Kelban then sort to muddy the waters by renouncing slavery (something we never accused you of), and in doing so entirely missed the point. I've been following this discussion for a while now and I'm really wondering what these terms are. I think if Ushra'Khan are truly freedom fighters these terms should be very attractive to accept. Besides that if Ushra'Khan openly states these terms other people can get a better view on the situation and decide who is lying and if terms a worth calling them freedom fighters or a pirate/terrorist alliance. But looking at what usually happens with most terms of surrender, they will make leaders vassals and their people simple slaves to their new "masters". Therefor I do not expect Ushra'Khan to openly state the terms Also if those terms are really freedom fighter worthy, my current guess is they will not keep their end of the deal, if SSI ever decides to accept.
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:44:00 - [234] Originally by: Squinaki ... Also if [Ushra'Khan's] terms are really freedom fighter worthy, my current guess is they will not keep their end of the deal, if SSI ever decides to accept. Ushra'Khan is known by it's word. Your last statement implies you need to do more research.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:03:00 - [235] Edited by: O Thief on 28/01/2009 11:06:35 Let's examine for a moment SSI's claims to be 'neutral'. 1) They ally with our enemies and arrange mutual blue 2) They arrange use of Providence holders jump bridge networks 3) Our enemies protect their outpost deployment 4) They pass intelligence on U'K fleets to the Providence holders 5) They move in and set up sov 2 jumps from an -A- station system without consulting them 6) They do not speak to us with regard to their intentions and standings prior to moving in 7) They threaten our pilots in local before a shot was fired between us 8) They attempt to block our travel pipes before a word is so much as spoken on a diplomatic level If that equals 'neutral' in SSI's eyes I suggest they go back to the Imperial Academy and buy a bloody dictionary. You were hostile from day one. That we've even offered a diplomatic route is a testament to our patience. Now you can just die, and few will mourn your end. Oh, and we thank you for your donation of another large Amarr tower to our cause which was liberated at the point of unanchoring. Thats, what, the third one now? Most generous.
Cribb Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:56:00 - [236] Edited by: Cribb on 28/01/2009 11:58:55 Originally by: Kelban Kevar Edited by: Kelban Kevar on 28/01/2009 07:34:04 To answer your question we did try to stay non alignd to any one, but uk decided for us that wasnt to be they decided to drag us in to a war to pick them or prov.and has since started many of the rumors you no dout hear with there propaganda machine, we wanted to and we tried to stay out of the politics, as it really dont matter here we sell our goods to. as far as cutting off acces to them via one pipe they could have went the other way up the hed pipe and left on alone all togather. but if we have to choose a side it dout it would ever be one that has attacked us since day one. as far as gmlh goes how long before uk's masters demand it handed over to them we shall see Now now don't start lying again Kelban. It is known that SSI members flew with CVA and Sylph friendly in their bio's Even before we made contact. And right from that moment you started saying you had no bond with Sylph. Still u could use W9 to your liking and had a sylph pos in KW, not to mention the Sylph ratters in kw. Still holding on we are neutral to all.... Pls be a man and say you never had the intention to renounce slavery and those who uphold it.. I think GE still has a tower up? Well take it save you from feuling it. And no we don't want any system sov, even the shack you call a station is of no interest. Since that thing is placed in the worst possible spot.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 12:04:00 - [237] Edited by: Poreuomai on 28/01/2009 12:37:27 Originally by: Kelban Kevar ... uk dont give a damn about slaves you just hate cva so much you have to since there removal of you from prov ... What do you think U'K was doing in Provi in the first place?
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.28 13:57:00 - [238] And who said there was nothing in catch. A third tower taken from SSI by the UK. Uk held system, non responses from CVA and Sylph from these actions. Either SSI is truly on its own or they dont know how to play politics and request assistance or make friends. Kelban, for advice I offer you this, You definatley need to reach out hat in hand to whomever you think can best protect you. As stated before you are truly in a no win situation as is. UK will destroy you and the older alliances will not help obviously on thier own without your formal requests and co operation on your own part. This is the way of the traditional alliances, it is shall we say protocol of the universe. They are probably waiting till you ask for help and if you dont they will prbably deal with the situation after you are gone. It has happened many times before and history has a habit of repeating itself. If by chance you decide you were wrong on picking sides and work with UK and set them blue agreeing to their terms, you will then be attacked by the full force of the provodence block, and without -A- backing you up will be removed from the area. This is just the way of catch. Possibly one of the worst places to set upi shop without following proper politics. This is Catch it may have no concord help here, it may not fall under any empire or republic control, but there are rules to follow for diplomacy. I suggest you start that diplomacy and get to know the people who will be helping you very well, get them to know you, because those are the poeple who are going to risk their pilots for you. You have made your choice at this time to side with Sylph, CVA and the providence block. Therefore you can expect a lot of UK harrasment probably more than you have had before, therefore it would be imperative for you to reach out to your friends and develop a plan with their diplo's and military commanders as to how to best handle this situation; and how they can best assist you. Remember help always comes to those who ask in Catch. You just need to ask someone, and yes that help sometimes comes at a price of some sort or another. If you let pride get in the way you will not be able to succeed.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 14:47:00 - [239] SSI have requested assistance, and it has been forthcoming. A good example of this was a 120 man Severence/Sylph/Providence Holders fleet which attempted to reinforce the liberated SSI tower in GMLH. The problem is that they don't bother defending their own assets. And they have only asked for help on strange occasions - there was no benefit at all to their friends assaulting the tower we stole from SSI, it only gave us numerous kills. It isn't like we paid ISK for it or it serves a strategic purpose, other than farming the hulls of the friends of slavers. With questionable decisions like this, it is no wonder their friends are despairing of them. I certainly would be in their shoes.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.28 15:08:00 - [240] To UK I say this, You have been honorable as long as far as I can remember. You were criticized for the use of of mercanaries dusring your quarrel with CVA but that was survival and can be understood. To some you are freedom fighters, to others you are terrorists. Your actions however are more similar to terrorists than you may even realize. Not that I condemn you for your actions, nor would I suggest you stop. You are facing a superior numerical and logistical force and you need to use what means you can. You could not defeat your enemies in a straight on fight if they choose to come after you and you know this without serious help form others. This help though from others and your current allies include slave holders and those who condone slavery. I understand the whole enemy of my enemy is my friend ideal, but i wonder, what would the great Karishal think of this. Would he be pleased of the mighty Ushra'Khan working olongside slavers and having slavers as friends. I mean no blasphemy when I say I believe he would truly be disappointed, Karishal fought and died for freedom, condemning slavers to the end. He would rather he died alone than consort with those who were aginst the very ideals he believed in. Look in the mirror warriors of freedom, or terrorists of the empire. Look closely and tell me who are you and who have you become and have you truly lost the way.

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 17:24:00 - [241] we do not work with slavers, the idea is anathema to us. if you have intel about one of our allies being a slaver, please present it to us through diplomatic channels.
Aurevoir Connard	Posted - 2009.01.28 17:43:00 - [242] Edited by: Aurevoir Connard on 28/01/2009 17:49:55 Edited by: Aurevoir Connard on 28/01/2009 17:48:55 Please see the Firm, -A-, AAA citizens, BoB. I have not once ever heard them denounce slavery on the contrary they have members who proudly hold slaves. Please do not turn a blind eye to this, and act innocent. You know who you are allied with. You just choose to ignore and try to act noble. If i close my eyes it to it it cant be there. It is admitted in this thread that you choose to ignore the fact that -A- is not anti slavery with your twisted logic of we are fighting the same bad people so we will ignore it crap. edited to add quotes "or as you said they do not care. Which last I checked was SSI's response. If -A- truly does not care then that must mean they harbor slavers as well therefore how can you ally yourself with them. It would be interesting to hear and official -A- Statement on this, and your reaction if they do not condemn slavery and all of those that hold slaves. Il morte wrote O'thief response Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, actions do speak louder than words, and I personally take great comfort from the actions of -A- in relation to the Providence slavers. The mass slaughter of the Providence holders conventional and capital class vessels, whilst not specifically labelled as 'anti-slaver' does have that effect, by virtue of the choice of target. The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Sounds like an admission to knowledge of this to me.
Maggot Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 17:44:00 - [243] Originally by: Il Morte To UK I say this, You have been honorable as long as far as I can remember. You were criticized for the use of of mercanaries dusring your quarrel with CVA but that was survival and can be understood. We have only used mercenaries once in our entire existence, in the first battle of 9UY against the pirate invasion led by The Establishment. ISS contracted MC and we paid our share. I have no idea what this comment is about working with slavers is. Please forward me the details.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 18:01:00 - [244] well, you dont have to be actively fighting slavers to be our allies. but if you are a slaver yourself, we will never ever have friendly relations with you, until you renounce slavery. those entities you list, none are actively involved in slavery, or supporting slavers. SSI really are, see the constant repetitions of the reasons they are considered hostile for evidence. if you have actual proof of any of our allies being involved with slavery, or supporting slavers, please do forward it to our diplomats. public is not the place to do that.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 18:33:00 - [245] First we are dismissed as pirates for opposing those who aid and support the single largest pod-pilot proponent for slavery in the cluster. Then we are accused of not being freedom fighters for not randomly attacking everyone in the cluster who has yet to make a statement opposing slavery. Is the universe insane? The statement is symbolic. It's actions that matter. SSI made themselves a target by working with the Providence Slaver Regime. When they claimed innocence by way of ignorance, we explained the struggle and offered them a chance to sever ties with the slavers and prove they had done so, but they refused. Several times. I'm not entirely sure why -A- keeps being brought up in this discussion, since the part they have played in this war has been minimal. No doubt they can speak for themselves about their policies should they choose to do so, however if -A- has members who engage in slavery; we are unaware of it. As an organization, they show no evidence of supporting slavery (which is similar to SSI), nor are they friends of slavery organizations (which is unlike SSI). Further, they have shown a willingness to strike against certain of our common enemies (which is also unlike SSI). Frankly, I'm surprised that there is so much confusion. Is it that uncommon for groups outside of our war for the freedom of our people to react negatively to third parties who aid their enemy?
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.28 19:47:00 - [246] Originally by: Maggot We have only used mercenaries once in our entire existence, in the first battle of 9UY against the pirate invasion led by The Establishment. ISS contracted MC and we paid our share. [/quote I appreciate your response Maggot and your true concern for the idea of you working with slavers. I would definatley be interesting to hear those that were accused of slavery to respond. However I must contradict your statement quoted above. You state that you only used mercanaries in defense of the first battle of 9UY. If that is so please explain why the rift between you and Sylph. For it is documented throughout these forums that you hired mercanaries that went into Sylph space and attacked their pilots. Whether they were sent or condoned by you can not be proven one way or the other for like everything else there is three sides to every story. The fact is though that mercs and pirates were brought in to help you that forced the hand of sylph, to choose a side. I have stayed neutral throughout this and I sympathize to those poor souls who are enslaved currently. However to re-arrange the past to suit your ideals of today or to prove your side is well just sad. I would expect that from a terrorist or an ammarrian priest not a true fighter for freedom.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 20:02:00 - [247] Il Morte, I think I know of the 'mercenaries' of which you speak in this instance, for it was my corporation, and we were not in U'K at the time. The truth of the matter, and this we publically admitted later, was that we (my corporation) faked a contract against Sylph and did not suggest U'K paid us (that was assumed, but it is totally incorrect). However, we were so delighted with the damage our two weeks of targetted carnage caused to Sylph, we made a public statement publishing some statistics, which gave it the feel of a 'contract'. But it was no such thing, it was our own desire to avenge U'K which led to these actions. But at the time, feeding that misinformation worked for us. Not once have U'K paid for our support - not whilst we were leading the ISSN in support of the first seige, or indeed the second time around against CVA. It was our choice to be brothers in arms and fight the decent fight. For freedom.
Maggot Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:02:00 - [248] There is absolutely zero evidence that U'K have hired mercenaries other than the statement I made regarding MC. I am a man of my word. There is nothing documented, nothing recorded, not a transfer of a single ISK or item of value. We have never had any need to ever make such a contract. Just because you say it is historic truth does not make it so. Every single ally we had in the failed defence of 9UY was a volunteer who requested to assist. They came from all backgrounds, some from the republic, and some were our former enemies from the 1st Siege of 9UY. I still thank them for their valiant efforts. Your view of history is incorrect.
Cribb Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:46:00 - [249] Edited by: Cribb on 28/01/2009 22:46:28 Originally by: Il Morte Look in the mirror warriors of freedom, or terrorists of the empire. Look closely and tell me who are you and who have you become and have you truly lost the way. To be honest, i'm quit dashing according to the Gallente Damsels i meet during R&R. And the Minnie girls often send me mail, they like the heroics i think.
Apoc Baltar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.29 02:45:00 - [250] Edited by: Apoc Baltar on 29/01/2009 02:54:25 Originally by: Kelban Kevar Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Kelban Kevar i know your historys very well I say you dont !!! I say answer Il Morte , he was impartial from the start , but the more you ignore his simple recquests , the more foolish you are becoming . Even your friends are giving up on you . and to conlin please run away more from me i find it very funny please undock another Moros Kelban the isk we recieved off of your faction-issue shield reinforcement alone is funding the war effort greatly

No Homo Gallente THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:28:00 - [251] I put on my robe and wizard hat....
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.01.29 03:52:00 - [252] Originally by: Apoc Baltar Edited by: Apoc Baltar on 29/01/2009 02:54:25 Originally by: Kelban Kevar Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Kelban Kevar i know your historys very well I say you dont !!! I say answer Il Morte , he was impartial from the start , but the more you ignore his simple recquests , the more foolish you are becoming . Even your friends are giving up on you . and to conlin please run away more from me i find it very funny please undock another Moros Kelban the isk we recieved off of your faction-issue shield reinforcement alone is funding the war effort greatly well i could but then you'd just cry and call in another 63 ppl from aaa and few more from stain and and stuff to help kill it seeing how you couldnt do it with out um
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.29 05:12:00 - [253] Run you say ?...... I constantly use what is left of your sovereignity to get where I wish to go , I easily evaded a Sylph & SSI attempt to blockade me last night . I challenge your bravado from within that station you have become so wholeheartedly attached to when I am in system . You wish to stop me Kelban ?. I have no need to call upon anybody to swat you out my way !!!!
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.29 08:35:00 - [254] Originally by: Kelban Kevar well i could but then you'd just cry and call in another 63 ppl from aaa and few more from stain and and stuff to help kill it seeing how you couldnt do it with out um Only a few minutes before a U'K only gang (the same which had your Moros tackled) destroyed an SSI Thanatos. Your death was a certainty, we just invited -A- to join in the fun as they had a gang nearby and like big explosions. To suggest we would not have killed it otherwise is simply laughable. You were 20km off station without a hope.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.29 08:44:00 - [255] Edited by: zoolkhan on 29/01/2009 08:57:40 Originally by: Il Morte please explain why the rift between you and Sylph. I take the word here, because i was one of the main diplomats trying to avoid the rift for a long time in countless marathon conversations with drakmor of sylph - until i reached a point where i had to throw the towel. i make it simple - for the impatient, look out for the bold text. situation: UK was defending its outposts against the might of CVA and their rather significant allies at that time (at some point IAC and goons have appeared, however - irrelevant now) While traditional matari allies like EM turned away for their reasons - we were confronted with offers for help from unexpected sides. Some of them pirates whom we fought against. However, their help offeres were sincere, we knew they were battlehardened and we knew our choices were limited. The day came when we accepted their help - we have put the object of anti-slavery above beeing "anti-pirates" - previously we policed the are well for the parasites that became sylph and settled in our policed neigbourhood. now my point: our new allies blue to us - harassed sylph also blue to us. we refused to pick a side between our blues we told them they can deal with the problem and retaliate (unless they do it in front of our outpost) - we would not intervene. that was not enough for them. So i had convos popping up - filled with high demands from sylph alliance officials. Like we were supposed to defend them, and we were supposed to do this and that - note: sylph hasnt offered anything in return for us, their help against the invading forces we faced was not existant. They could not even break camps made of two shuttles armed with snowballs. (They have learned, and are not as bad as they were - that has to be said here) The diplomatic "negotiations" went nowhere - after many attempts, i... no.. we gave it up and ceased the talks. And focussed on the grave situation at hand rather than on rabble with an ally that could not even deal with their ,compared to ours, rather minor problems alone. But UK did not shoot them, or change their colour taht was Blue. We granted them their autonomy, and allowed them to defend against our other blue allies. (unlike CVA, we didnt view them as lesser beeings at that time) Sylph then went red overnight - well timed in a moment when we had already our hands full and were on the backfoot against the already mentioned powerful CVA+allies block. _THAT_ is the history of sylph - and why we view them as backstabbers. We also view them as lousy combattants, because back then they were whining moaning and unable to keep their house clean, hence they turned to someone who had the military class to do it -> CVA. the foul taste of backstabbing, whining, and incompetence remains until today may it be still justified or not. Would i personally reach a hand to sylph, and correct my picture i have in my mind since 2 years? Yes, i think i would. Sending mercs into their space is fabricated fantasytale - but it might have felt so to them, at some points in time. Only one who knows UK for longer, will realize that we deal with our enemies personally usually - even with those who are far above our shoesize. Sylph is not falling into that big shoesize category i am afraid.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.29 10:35:00 - [256] Regarding Sylph, it is only by the grace of U'K, and latterly CVA, that the alliance hold space at all. They are a weak, fractured alliance and despite their age show little combat skill or resolve. They are, by far, the weakest of the main space holding entities. I am absolutely certain that in a straight up fight between U'K and Sylph, that they would hold no space after a month or so (despite their larger size). It is only by the patience of others they hold any space at all.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.29 16:01:00 - [257] You know, after reading this IGS transmission, I understand what kind of person the SSI leader is.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.29 16:01:00 - [258] You know, after reading this IGS transmission, I understand what kind of person the SSI leader is.
Arnulf Ogunkoya Minmatar The Causality	Posted - 2009.01.29 20:04:00 - [259] Originally by: zoolkhan <snip> While traditional matari allies like EM turned away for their reasons - we were confronted with offers for help from unexpected sides. <snip> With respect Zoolkhan. The Electus did send a contingent to the second siege. I still have a cruiser parked up at Unity station, with a Khumaak in her hangar, waiting for the day when someone other than CVA is in residence. That said I can understand you accepting aid from your old enemies. It does seem ironic though that one of the pirate groups assisting you was the outfit that got Karishal Muritor disciplined. This would be for taking a detachment off station to chase them, back when he was still in the Fleet. Regards,
Marketalt989	Posted - 2009.01.30 01:54:00 - [260] Edited by: Marketalt989 on 30/01/2009 01:55:20

Predator989	Posted - 2009.01.30 01:55:00 - [261] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Kelban Kevar well i could but then you'd just cry and call in another 63 ppl from aaa and few more from stain and and stuff to help kill it seeing how you couldnt do it with out um Only a few minutes before a U'K only gang (the same which had your Moros tackled) destroyed an SSI Thanatos. Your death was a certainty, we just invited -A- to join in the fun as they had a gang nearby and like big explosions. To suggest we would not have killed it otherwise is simply laughable. You were 20km off station without a hope. Talk is cheap, come play
Mae West Knives Nukes and Sharp Sticks Inc	Posted - 2009.01.30 03:56:00 - [262] Originally by: Predator989 Edited by: Predator989 on 30/01/2009 02:56:31 Talk is cheap UK, come play Edit: quoting the wrong person for the win I don't think you really want to do that.......
Tractus Vesica Caldari Atrum Flamma Order of the Black Dragons	Posted - 2009.01.30 04:19:00 - [263] We Caldari don't need slaves. We aren't weak ass Ammars, or whiny Minmatars. We work for ourselves and profiteer by your failures and misfortunes. ALL PRAISE THE STATE!
Predator989	Posted - 2009.01.30 06:24:00 - [264] Originally by: Mae West Originally by: Predator989 Edited by: Predator989 on 30/01/2009 02:56:31 Talk is cheap UK, come play Edit: quoting the wrong person for the win I don't think you really want to do that....... Eh, I'll be waiting
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.30 08:13:00 - [265] who are you, which organisation do you belong to and where would we find you? your reputation hasnt spread so far that your name is recognisable.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.30 09:22:00 - [266] Originally by: Xennith who are you, which organisation do you belong to and where would we find you? your reputation hasnt spread so far that your name is recognisable. Just......... a sylph who rarely leaves his homeground . Nothing much to worry about Xennith .
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.30 09:29:00 - [267] Originally by: Predator989 Originally by: Mae West Originally by: Predator989 Edited by: Predator989 on 30/01/2009 02:56:31 Talk is cheap UK, come play Edit: quoting the wrong person for the win I don't think you really want to do that....... Eh, I'll be waiting You're right, talk is cheap. So, announce to the Providence holders that you believe your alliance is stronger than the U'K. Inform them you do not need their assistance, and make that public for all to see. We shall then engage you in a full territorial war, with the goal of taking all your space (though not keeping it, we have not wish for that). We'll see how many stations you have left after 30 days. Remember - talk is cheap, so less posturing and more action to prove how much better than U'K your alliance is. We're waiting.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.30 10:46:00 - [268] Edited by: zoolkhan on 30/01/2009 10:46:09 Dont mistake this for arrogance. But i have just relieved the dreadnought crews from duty and sent them to well deserved holidays. Sylph will not agree to fight us w/o their muppeteers. Or let me put it this way, even if they wanted - the muppeteers would intervene on their own accord becaise they rather keep the buffer zone filled with people that are easy to manipulate and whom present no danger to anyone, than with u'k pilots who speerhead back into providence with an uncorruptable determination.
Mazzdreg	Posted - 2009.01.30 14:36:00 - [269] The only authorized posters for Sylph Alliance are Drakmor, Ktor, and Mazzdreg.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.30 20:57:00 - [270] Originally by: Predator989 Originally by: Mae West Originally by: Predator989 Edited by: Predator989 on 30/01/2009 02:56:31 Talk is cheap UK, come play Edit: quoting the wrong person for the win I don't think you really want to do that....... Eh, I'll be waiting Over confident Sylph "fleet commander" spotted. Leading pointless so called roams around providence, where you chase after single hacs with 20 man blobs, killing nothing and achieving nothing does not make you any good. In fact it demonstates how terrible you really are. I cannot wait to school you in a fleet fight. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

Richstall10 Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.30 21:03:00 - [271] RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE!
Mae West Knives Nukes and Sharp Sticks Inc	Posted - 2009.01.30 21:33:00 - [272] Originally by: Richstall10 RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE! It would seem that sylph have either dropped their intelligence requirements or this individual has ingested to much crash
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.01.30 22:35:00 - [273] Suddenly I understand why Drakmor said Sylph does not reply to forums, they are really dumb. My apologies to UK if my information on the hiring and paying of Mercs was incorrect and I believe it was the Littlest Hobos that I heard about so that was explained. Maybe CVA did not pos spam right before downtime as well using a glitch in the system to get sov of 9uy either we know how these things can get screwed up. As for the repsonses from the so called Sylph pilots if that is a sylph fleet commander than how do they own space, I can only imagine the lack of intelligence of the others. I thought SSI was dumb but man o man what is the IQ of the average catch pilot, and how are they in control. Message to Sylph a wise Jovian once said better be silent and thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.01 20:40:00 - [274] The yearning for freedom becomes stronger day by day. Our resolve grows, our determination remains. Although many of our finest warriors have been fighting for our greater glory in the Alliance Tournament, the fight for justice continues. Rumours abound that certain Catch residents have hired mercenaries against U'K, in an attempt to get some breathing space. Anyone who knows us will understand why our warriors chuckled at this notion. And meanwhile, of the two space holding entites in Catch who cavort and frollick with slavers, one is drawing a last breath whilst the other stands by idle, getting fat from belt pirate bounties and mumbling internally about how little they have done to 'save' their friend. Although, to their credit, they have made more effort than most would in relation to the disorginised rabble that is SSI. What do you say, Sylph? Will you not remove our sovereingty from GMLH, a mere stones throw from your space? For all your words you seem remarkably impotent. But don't worry. You will have your chance to prove yourself in battle against our warriors. Although perhaps not in the way you expect it. Before this month is out, you will have decisions to make, and burying your head in the sand is unlikely to remain the best option.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.02 07:07:00 - [275] For me, it would be nice to see UK return to their former territory holding selves. Taking slyph space and SSI space would make room for that dream to come true. With that, CVA and UK can fight each other like the used to....
Ugleb Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.02.02 17:42:00 - [276] Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya Originally by: zoolkhan <snip> While traditional matari allies like EM turned away for their reasons - we were confronted with offers for help from unexpected sides. <snip> With respect Zoolkhan. The Electus did send a contingent to the second siege. I still have a cruiser parked up at Unity station, with a Khumaak in her hangar, waiting for the day when someone other than CVA is in residence. That said I can understand you accepting aid from your old enemies. It does seem ironic though that one of the pirate groups assisting you was the outfit that got Karishal Muritor disciplined. This would be for taking a detachment off station to chase them, back when he was still in the Fleet. Oh we never claimed that the 2nd Battle for Unity Station was fought by angels. It was a true rogues gallery brought together by a mutual enemy. Whether they clashed with the law is not a concern to us, even if it was once against Muritor. Ultimately that clash urged Muritor towards his greater destiny, not away from it, and at Unity Station we stood together and fought side by side. In moments like that, past squabbles hardly matter. Contact the Sarz'na Khumatari
Arnulf Ogunkoya Minmatar The Causality	Posted - 2009.02.03 01:13:00 - [277] Originally by: Ugleb Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya Originally by: zoolkhan <snip> While traditional matari allies like EM turned away for their reasons - we were confronted with offers for help from unexpected sides. <snip> With respect Zoolkhan. The Electus did send a contingent to the second siege. I still have a cruiser parked up at Unity station, with a Khumaak in her hangar, waiting for the day when someone other than CVA is in residence. That said I can understand you accepting aid from your old enemies. It does seem ironic though that one of the pirate groups assisting you was the outfit that got Karishal Muritor disciplined. This would be for taking a detachment off station to chase them, back when he was still in the Fleet. Oh we never claimed that the 2nd Battle for Unity Station was fought by angels. It was a true rogues gallery brought together by a mutual enemy. Whether they clashed with the law is not a concern to us, even if it was once against Muritor. Ultimately that clash urged Muritor towards his greater destiny, not away from it, and at Unity Station we stood together and fought side by side. In moments like that, past squabbles hardly matter.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.03 12:06:00 - [278] Originally by: brandon packy For me, it would be nice to see UK return to their former territory holding selves. Taking slyph space and SSI space would make room for that dream to come true. With that, CVA and UK can fight each other like the used to.... We have no wish to hold the space we are currently assaulting. We've stated that publically and in time we will prove it. Other arrangements are in place to provide us a home in the longer-term, and this campaign is about freedom, not conquest.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.03 21:28:00 - [279] Originally by: O Thief We have no wish to hold the space we are currently assaulting. We've stated that publically and in time we will prove it. Other arrangements are in place to provide us a home in the longer-term, and this campaign is about freedom, not conquest. Why not, just because you do take the space, doesn't mean you are conquering the inhabitants. It appears more as space liberated from CVA pet's hands. Why not take it in that case?
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.03 22:24:00 - [280] Because freedom fighters need to be free to move. We face numerically superior foes in battle on a daily basis on their own ground with reinforcements moments away and friendly backup beyond easy reach. We rely on speed, surprise and the application of power at a point, territory defense forces us to give up our fighting style and fight in a fashion that favours the legions of slavery and oppression. As a member of Sylph remarked to one of our pilots: "You guys put up a starbase? You are aware that you cant fit cloaks to them right?". Its one thing to use a starbase as a tool to cause damage to the subhuman refuse that supports slavers, but beyond that tactical scope and into the longterm strategic, its just ties us down and hampers our efforts to free our people.

brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.04 00:52:00 - [281] Originally by: Xennith Its one thing to use a starbase as a tool to cause damage to the subhuman refuse that supports slavers, but beyond that tactical scope and into the longterm strategic, its just ties us down and hampers our efforts to free our people. Some good points here, I still personally believe having a symbol of your triumph over slavers values more than playstyle. On a second note, the prov block doesnt really have any advantage. You guys hold the trump card (the best trump in this theatre i might add) in -A-. Defense isnt really a problem for you guys honestly.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 05:00:00 - [282] Originally by: brandon packy Originally by: Xennith Its one thing to use a starbase as a tool to cause damage to the subhuman refuse that supports slavers, but beyond that tactical scope and into the longterm strategic, its just ties us down and hampers our efforts to free our people. Some good points here, I still personally believe having a symbol of your triumph over slavers values more than playstyle. On a second note, the prov block doesnt really have any advantage. You guys hold the trump card (the best trump in this theatre i might add) in -A-. Defense isnt really a problem for you guys honestly. Our triumph is in being able to attack / kill & disrupt supply lines in the slavers own backyard . The Provi Block , especially Sylph do have an advantage . Especially to run !!!! Only last night they used one of there many jump bridge facilities to run from one of our fleets .Those fleets that Sylph rely on to outnumber us on a daily basis . They can bring overwhelming numbers through these jump bridges they rely on so heavily , bringing in reinforcements , whereas we are unable to . Hit , run , hide ....... The Freedom Fighters way !
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 15:28:00 - [283] Have our continous attacks on the Services at SSI station "Who's your Daddy", disrupted their connection to the networks? I'vet not seen any more statements lately.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 16:18:00 - [284] Originally by: Lord Makk Have our continous attacks on the Services at SSI station "Who's your Daddy", disrupted their connection to the networks? I'vet not seen any more statements lately. A wise Brutor once told me of a phenomenon known as the 'failure-cascade'. Telltale signs include important POS being left without fuel, the end of organised military resistance, and silence on GalNet.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:07:00 - [285] Well it looks as if SSI has met there match and lost. I wonder where Sylph, CVA and holders are during this. Or do they even know about the epic fail that has become of SSI
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:16:00 - [286] I'm not sure anyone cares enough about them, to be honest. In my view, they dug their own grave and although U'K will rightly take credit for their demise (our permanent presence in KW- no doubt speeded things along, as did the destruction of their starbases) they are as much responsible for their death as we are. Of course, this could all be premature, but all the signs would seem to indicate an outcome which U'K would be very pleased with.
Fearless Minion	Posted - 2009.02.04 17:53:00 - [287] *A new voice, emerges* Do the world a favor, just take over the outpost, destroy their clones, and Kill all of the Remaining SSI Pilots. The failship has arrived and to be blunt you've played with your food long enough. At least that way you won't just seem like a nuisance to the world and give you the attention you apparently are looking for. Oh and congrats for knocking over probably the worst alliance in the universe that attempted to achieve Sovereignty. Bravo! **End Transmission*
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 18:00:00 - [288] Useless Alliance or not, stick your Outpost infront of the Wolfs Den, then to insult the Wolf... The outcome was clear from the point when the diplomacy failed.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:22:00 - [289] Originally by: Il Morte Well it looks as if SSI has met there match and lost. I wonder where Sylph, CVA and holders are during this. Or do they even know about the epic fail that has become of SSI I dont think they want to fight to be honest, they know if they commit a large force of caps or bs, -A- can drop multiple titans any given moment and over 150 dreads at peak time. At this moment, the situation requires a counter to UK's "first move", which was the liberation of the space SSI owned. The Prov block have various options open to them, but must tread carefully.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 20:32:00 - [290] you'd have to ask CVA what the proviblock's opinion is, but i imagine that they see no advantage in defending a group of people who have stated their intention to backstab them asap, who's ideology does not align with their own, who frankly contributes nothing against a known old enemy who have stated that they have no interest in taking and holding said space.

brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:02:00 - [291] Originally by: Xennith you'd have to ask CVA what the proviblock's opinion is, but i imagine that they see no advantage in defending a group of people who have stated their intention to backstab them asap, who's ideology does not align with their own, who frankly contributes nothing against a known old enemy who have stated that they have no interest in taking and holding said space. True, but i can't see CVA taking the same stance when Uk liberates slyph space.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:37:00 - [292] Originally by: brandon packy True, but i can't see CVA taking the same stance when Uk liberates slyph space. You assume we would directly assault their space, which is highly unlikely. At least in the conventional sense.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.04 22:52:00 - [293] Looks like Catch may be getting boring again. With the drunks from IAC gone. The Stooges of SSI soon to be gone. That is if they haven't packed up and left already. That would leave boring we don't talk on forums because our pilots are ******s Sylph, the ever 400 pound gorilla in the region -A-, and of course your friendly neighborhood roaming UK gang. I guess I will just have to go back and count my corporate profits, contemplating a place where all pod pilots are equal in stature and free to choose what they want.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:19:00 - [294] With the infamous BoB no more at least for the moment. What does this mean to the UK ally -A-. It seems UK may have lost a friend. I donot question the ability of -A- pilots but they might not be able to continue this war without their ally. Suddenly Catch got interesting again or at least could be.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:46:00 - [295] Originally by: Il Morte With the infamous BoB no more at least for the moment. What does this mean to the UK ally -A-. It seems UK may have lost a friend. I donot question the ability of -A- pilots but they might not be able to continue this war without their ally. Suddenly Catch got interesting again or at least could be. With the landgrab that is now delve, -A- isnt in jeopardy. All of -A-'s important enemies are going to be rushing to delve.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:04:00 - [296] Originally by: Il Morte With the infamous BoB no more at least for the moment. What does this mean to the UK ally -A-. It seems UK may have lost a friend. I donot question the ability of -A- pilots but they might not be able to continue this war without their ally. Suddenly Catch got interesting again or at least could be. U'K did not have standings with BoB so it really makes no different to us either way. Also, BoB hasn't gone away. All their pilots, ships, and resources are still there. They'll have a new name tag soon enough I imagine. Apart from some fun in Delve, it's going to be business as normal.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:45:00 - [297] Some curious events over the last few days. Generally speaking, Sylph seem have displayed more willingness to fight us recently. This has suprised us on a few occasions, as we are not used to them engaging without overwhelming odds in their favour. Needless to say, against our brave and experienced warriors the outcome of these fights has been what you would expect. Yesterday a 30 man tech one frigate gang belonging to Liberitas Fidelitas attempted to incapacitate some modules on our deathstar-configured POS in GMLH. Whilst this was happening, Sylph moved down in heavier ships. U'K were mostly busy elsewhere, so we left defence of the POS to a mothership, and the sight of 20 Warrior II's seemed to do the trick - the frigates ran after a few were destroyed. We then, with the help of -A-, intercepted the heavier Sylph fleet, which was destroyed. No U'k ships were lost in these engagements, and no modules were incapacitated on our POS. We await the next move with baited breath.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.08 17:36:00 - [298] Edited by: brandon packy on 08/02/2009 17:36:50 Originally by: O Thief Some curious events over the last few days. Generally speaking, Sylph seem have displayed more willingness to fight us recently. This has suprised us on a few occasions, as we are not used to them engaging without overwhelming odds in their favour. Needless to say, against our brave and experienced warriors the outcome of these fights has been what you would expect. Yesterday a 30 man tech one frigate gang belonging to Liberitas Fidelitas attempted to incapacitate some modules on our deathstar-configured POS in GMLH. Whilst this was happening, Sylph moved down in heavier ships. U'K were mostly busy elsewhere, so we left defence of the POS to a mothership, and the sight of 20 Warrior II's seemed to do the trick - the frigates ran after a few were destroyed. We then, with the help of -A-, intercepted the heavier Sylph fleet, which was destroyed. No U'k ships were lost in these engagements, and no modules were incapacitated on our POS. We await the next move with baited breath. The battle sounded fun from my sources, from what i heard the -A-/UK pilots killed the tacklers, which made the slyph fleet unable to kill most of the fleet. After losing a few battle ships, they decided to retreat to w9-.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.09 22:36:00 - [299] Sylph stepping it up on you for the weekend I am sure. They will tire and grow bored as usual.
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:48:00 - [300] I certainly hope not - in the past 4 days, I have, according to my records, been a participant in the destruction of more than 50 sylph vessels of various sizes, with my alliance mates taking part in many more during my breaks. It's been a fantastic weekend, hopefully it will continue until the enemy has run out of ships!

zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.10 09:19:00 - [301] Originally by: brandon packy Some good points here, I still personally believe having a symbol of your triumph over slavers values more than playstyle. On a second note, the prov block doesnt really have any advantage. You guys hold the trump card (the best trump in this theatre i might add) in -A-. Defense isnt really a problem for you guys honestly. a) If our strategy would rely on -A- bailing us out; we would lose their respect and gain the reputation of beeing incompetent. As long we dont hold space, we dont need their "backup" - and while this is the case we can be a respected fighting force. We may invite our friends to the party - but our strategy is not relying on their appearance. Respect and Friendship needs to be earned - not taken for granted. b) in close combat you learn to stretch the arm _after_ the punch reached the face. Using an OP as a symbol of triumph would be premature - we can start celebrating once _all_ slaves have been liberated, and the amarr stop their slave raids and vitoc programs. Until then, we view outposts and territory only as stepstones on our way. It would actually be interesting to learn about friendly freedom loving alliances that wish to obtain such a "stepstone".
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:08:00 - [302] Originally by: zoolkhan a) If our strategy would rely on -A- bailing us out; we would lose their respect and gain the reputation of beeing incompetent. I wouldn't necessarily call it bailing out. The Prov block can throw out peak fleet size of almost 400-500 people (in defense of home systems) and close to 100 any given day. Many alliances cannot sustain fights against that size of groups. I would attribute the "assistance" by -A- to be attributed more to greed for killing than bailing you out. It isn't a burden for -A- to help kill enemy targets, this you can be assured of. Case in point with the battle in GE-94x this weekend. -A- seemed eager to kill those 30 frigates from lfa, and got extra kills as a result. With -A-, there is no rp goal in mind, all they want is kills and fights, and a force that attracts prov block pilots away from their plethora of stations would be welcome allies of -A-.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.11 08:31:00 - [303] Originally by: brandon packy With -A-, there is no rp goal in mind, what is this term "RP-goal" you talk about? anyways, would we base our strategy on their "assistance" then our strategy would be a weak house of cards in the moment -A- is distracted somewhere else in new eden. They have their own agenda, and we respected that from the beginning on. Theyre good ompany, theyre formidable fighters - and so far i have not seen slaves in their stations. But in the fight against the slavers the responsibility is ours to carry it forward.
Jon Rocks Amarr Rothana Heavy Industries The Black Isle	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:08:00 - [304] So what you just said from what I gather is. If -A- did become slavers you would have to remove them also? Or would RP have to take a back seat all of a sudden.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.11 12:46:00 - [305] Originally by: Jon Rocks So what you just said from what I gather is. If -A- did become slavers you would have to remove them also? Well, if you're going to grasp at ridiculous hypotheticals, I'm afraid you're not going to get a serious answer from us. What you've stated isn't going to happen - and thats the only answer you need.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.11 14:18:00 - [306] Originally by: zoolkhan what is this term "RP-goal" you talk about? In essence -A- is not trying to do anything outside of being the best alliance with the most kills and defeating anything that walks in front of them. They do not want to specifically free slaves like UK or extend amarrian sovereignty like CVA. All they wish is to kill.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:46:00 - [307] Update on something which caused some laughter amougst the warriors of the U'K... Whilst routinely checking SSI POS, we discovered an Archon floating slightly outside of the shields (!)... A pilot was quickly located, and immediate exit cyno secured. The vessel is now safely in the custody of U'K and all slaves have been freed. This is the latest donation from SSI to U'K and comes on top of 3 large Amarr towers and many faction POS modules. As ever, we are grateful and these assets will be put to good use in the fight for freedom!
Micia Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.12 06:28:00 - [308] Edited by: Micia on 12/02/2009 06:31:10 System Shock Initiative have given us so many free assets for the taking, that I suspect they are closet-allies. We appreciate the assistance, SSI. _______
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.12 08:32:00 - [309] Originally by: brandon packy Originally by: zoolkhan what is this term "RP-goal" you talk about? In essence -A- is not trying to do anything outside of being the best alliance with the most kills and defeating anything that walks in front of them. They do not want to specifically free slaves like UK or extend amarrian sovereignty like CVA. All they wish is to kill. ...it appears AAA is macrching the same direction and hitting the same old enemy as we are and as long that is the case its all good. As long the results are convincing, i dont question their motives. Certainly our paths may part one day because of the different motivations. But that is not today or anytime soon. We have been shooting AAA in the past, and vice versa And frankly that was how the mutual respect was generated. Our relations are highly professional today, and we enjoy their friendship as long it is of mutual benefit. recruiting -forum
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.12 15:10:00 - [310] Originally by: O Thief Update on something which caused some laughter amougst the warriors of the U'K... Whilst routinely checking SSI POS, we discovered an Archon floating slightly outside of the shields (!)... A pilot was quickly located, and immediate exit cyno secured. The vessel is now safely in the custody of U'K and all slaves have been freed. I can not believe what I read in this report. I spilled mulled wine all over my tunic and choked on some long limb roes. SSI is truly the ultimate in fail. Why do they even pretend to still exisit. Last checked it seemed their corps are starting to leave, the leadership is a joke and they are not even pretending to put up any kind of defense whatsoever let alone even a presence. Somebody truly needs to remove them one way or another. Short of the amusement they are causing UK, I beseach you to wipe them out once and for all as I get disgusted at the ineptitude of the (I can't even call them an alliance) SSI. Either that or someone else in the area needs to remove them as well. I can not believe that they are tolerated in any way by either Sylph or CVA or anyone else in the area for that matter. My only hope is that when the (I want to type leadership of ssi but that would be a joke wouldn't it) get podded the clone bays malfuction and they are truly lost tothe cosmos, or someone needs to send them to biomass chambers, for they truly are making a mockery of pod pilots across the galaxy, I call out to you pilots to rid the cosmos of SSI. Destroy them completly, I can not stand to hear about their epic failures anymore.

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.12 15:41:00 - [311] As SSI moved into the area with the support of the Providence Bloc, I would expect the slaver forces to continue to support SSI rather than betray them when their assistance is most needed. A reputation for backstabbing your allies would be hard to shake off, especially given the history of the area and the forces involved. SSI will be gone soon enough Im sure, their presence in their station system is now something of a rarity and with a bit more pressure, should be a thing of the past.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.12 21:05:00 - [312] Edited by: O Thief on 12/02/2009 21:13:31 A wondefully enjoyable day today! A few days ago orders were sent out via Alliance channels. They were as follows; "Have an RR BS ready for Thursday, and make sure you insure it, we're going to fight even if outnumbered!" You see, we haven't really been getting many 'good fights' recently (outside of very one sided engagements with Sylph) and we needed to relieve some tension. We wandered up to ERVK, a Sylph station system a short distance from Paxton and CVA space. We then proceeded to incapacitate the Repair Service. This attracted the attention we were looking for. After incapacitating it, we knew of three gangs heading our way, and knew we were outgunned. Paxton, Sylph, and CVA formed fleets and headed toward us. We decided to bite first, and jumped into the roughly equally sized Paxton gang (40 each side). We knew this was a fight to the death before reinforcements arrived. The fight started very well, we had the upper hand, and shortly after wards around an extra 55 CVA and Co jumped in. Of course, we lost the upper hand, we knew this would happen but wanted to inflict as much damage as possible before the extra 60 arrived. The final kill report states that 107 Paxton/CVA/Sylph vessels engaged 41 Ushra'Khan. We destroyed around 10 Battleships, and lost about 20. Overall, highly enjoyable and considering the odds we did rather well We then jumped straight into HAC's from our fresh clones, and raced to GMLH where our POS was being assaulted by a 25 man FLA frigate gang. They did not seem to be equipped with MWD's, so we warped a HIC on top of them, then jumped in the HAC's. The result was, of course, a turkey shoot. One small beam was incapacitated. Whilst we may share different ideologies, it is good to see that the Providence dwellers love of a good fight is undiminished. We thank them for this evenings entertainment, and hope Sylph enjoy repping up their station services. We will be back for more. I wonder if any of these holders (including CVA) will find the courage to engage us on a one to one basis at any point? Time will tell!
Hardin Amarr Important Internet Corp Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.02.12 22:55:00 - [313] Edited by: Hardin on 12/02/2009 23:03:02 Hah a terrorist complaining about numbers yet members of his alliance happily murder innocent traders in Amarrian Providence without any such qualms about 'fair fights'. We have no obligation to the enemies of Amarr other than to cleanse them! ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.12 22:55:00 - [314] Originally by: O Thief I wonder if any of these holders (including CVA) will find the courage to engage us on a one to one basis at any point? Time will tell! Just recently in KW-I6T, Exile Consortium engaged a mixed gang of 14 Ushra'khan heavy assault cruisers, recon cruisers and various support with 7 tech one cruisers. The results were even more one-sided in favor of CVA forces. So I suppose time has already told...? Let's not drag this discussion to the level of who has done what with what numbers. It's redundant to point out that either side tries to outnumber and outgun the other at any given time.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.12 23:03:00 - [315] yes garreck, i remember that fight from our records, it started a debate internally about the use of multiple logistics ships and tech 1 cruisers. a most effective strategy, my compliments to whomever devised it. as far as the absence of cloaks on our battleships goes, they wouldnt have helped much in this engagement and so were stripped off by our crews and handed to our scientists who are attempting to create a super cloak that can be fitted to a starbase control tower. i felt naked without one to be quite honest, but managed to go down in true Ushra'Khan style anyway, ship subsystems taking massive heat damage from the strain as i plowed full speed into the nearest slaver ship.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.12 23:35:00 - [316] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 12/02/2009 23:03:02 Hah a terrorist complaining about numbers yet members of his alliance happily murder innocent traders in Amarrian Providence without any such qualms about 'fair fights'. We have no obligation to the enemies of Amarr other than to cleanse them! It would further your end if I had complained about numbers, but alas, no such complaint exists in my report. A factual recollection of numbers, certainly, but no complaints. We are safe in the knowledge that no individual Providence dweller has the courage to engage us on equal terms, so we must indeed fight outnumbered. That is necessity. Sometimes, indeed often, fights go our way depsite this, other times it is not so. On balance however, win more than we lose by a very significant margin. Ships are easily replaced, but the cowardly reputation of the Providence dwellers stains them forever. We act alone, we are proud to do so, and the results of our current campaign speak volumes about our capability and prowess on the battlefield! For freedom!
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 00:06:00 - [317] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief I wonder if any of these holders (including CVA) will find the courage to engage us on a one to one basis at any point? Time will tell! Just recently in KW-I6T, Exile Consortium engaged a mixed gang of 14 Ushra'khan heavy assault cruisers, recon cruisers and various support with 7 tech one cruisers. The results were even more one-sided in favor of CVA forces. So I suppose time has already told...? Let's not drag this discussion to the level of who has done what with what numbers. It's redundant to point out that either side tries to outnumber and outgun the other at any given time. Garreck, you are of course quite right. Why only yesterday, a 9 man CVA gang of HAC's and Command Ships engaged a 7 man U'K HAC gang and lost all of their ships without killing anything. So indeed, small scale engagements of the type you mention do occur. I should have made that more clear in my report. Thank you for picking me up on this. However, I would suggest that small fights such as this are somehow different to ones involving larger ships, where the stakes are percieved to be higher. I've yet to see any evidence of CVA committing alone against us in fights of this nature, without a plethora of 'holders' accompanying them. That is of course your choice, however I am not wrong when I point this out, for the evidence is plain to see.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.13 00:27:00 - [318] Originally by: O Thief however I am not wrong when I point this out Well sure you are, but that's a non-issue. If you want a sparring match, I'm sure it can be arranged. If you want to bring your fleets too close to Providence without such premade arrangements, they'll be dispatched in short order by however many residents get organized first.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.13 04:40:00 - [319] Originally by: Garreck Well sure you are, but that's a non-issue. If you want a sparring match, I'm sure it can be arranged. If you want to bring your fleets too close to Providence without such premade arrangements, they'll be dispatched in short order by however many residents get organized first. It is CVA's choice to only fight when they have no chance of losing (3:1 usually seems right), but i cant help but to agree with butterdog in that the prov block uses their slaver pets as cannon fodder to protect their own losses.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.13 05:50:00 - [320] Originally by: brandon packy It is CVA's choice to only fight when they have no chance of losing That's the standard propeganda line, yes. The truth, of course, is that it is our choice to fight the enemies of God with whatever's on hand and leave the discussions of what is fair and what isn't to the defeated.

Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 07:09:00 - [321] We have fought outnumbered for a very long time now , it is something we relish . We expect CVA to come running to his masters voice Sylph when it cries for help as Sylph are strong in numbers , but weak in fighting prowess . This Hardin who speaks for the Amarr Empire ....... what race , beliefs does he speak for this week ?. I can no longer keep up with his many alliances than Sylphs massive jump bridge network they rely on to hide from our fleets . Sylph failed to help SSI , to save their own assets , their history shows they can no more be trusted today than they were in the days of Unity . Who will be the first in the Providence Block to fight over the scraps ??!! .
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.13 07:50:00 - [322] Originally by: O Thief Why only yesterday, a 9 man CVA gang of HAC's and Command Ships engaged a 7 man U'K HAC gang and lost all of their ships without killing anything. So indeed, small scale engagements of the type you mention do occur. I should have made that more clear in my report. Thank you for picking me up on this. Why do you keep lying when we can easily check your "facts". U'K did lose 2 Recon ships there, so how did CVA "lose all of their ships without killing anything"? Now, you did win fight hands down still and it's very much possible that Conlin and Seliah have issues posting their losses thus making your records completely untrustworthy. On the other hand, you and Butterdog have been caught lying multiple times before...
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 08:06:00 - [323] Both of those losses show up in our records, I believe that O theif was mistaken, as neither he nor I were part of this engagement. Luckily for all of us, Ombey was involved and has written up a battle report here
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 08:15:00 - [324] Edited by: O Thief on 13/02/2009 08:16:15 Originally by: Morden Nok Why do you keep lying when we can easily check your "facts". U'K did lose 2 Recon ships there, so how did CVA "lose all of their ships without killing anything"? Now, you did win fight hands down still and it's very much possible that Conlin and Seliah have issues posting their losses thus making your records completely untrustworthy. On the other hand, you and Butterdog have been caught lying multiple times before... My sincere apologies if my report was incorrect. I was working from memory on this occasion, you are quite right it should have read 'the CVA gang was completely destroyed for only two losses'. I was simply responding to Garreck's obvious trivialisation of the point I was making by recalling small irrelevent fights. The point however remains true, and intact - CVA are risk averse. You don't ever engage U'K alone in larger fights outside small roaming gangs when odds are remotely even. That is your choice, and I respect you for that. We each have our own agendas. However, despite this, and despite U'K's love of fighting which means we do often enter fights where we are outnumbered from the start, we do still tend to come out better for it. Our current campaign in catch has netted 2,100 kills in a month, for a mere fraction of losses, speaks volumes about our skill on the battlefield. The Providence holders know this. They know we're not just a rag-tag bunch, but we have resolve and skill. It is a tribute to that skill that they feel to compelled only with overwhelming numerical superiority. No greater compliment can be paid to our combat skill than that - and we thank you for it. However, allow me to take issue with your 'you have been caught lying on multiple occasions before' accusation - when, exactly, has this happened? I'd like to challenge you on that, and I suspect you cannot justify your accusation. But please, try.
Kazzzi Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 08:43:00 - [325] Originally by: Morden Nok Why do you keep lying when we can easily check your "facts". U'K did lose 2 Recon ships there, so how did CVA "lose all of their ships without killing anything"? Now, you did win fight hands down still and it's very much possible that Conlin and Seliah have issues posting their losses thus making your records completely untrustworthy. On the other hand, you and Butterdog have been caught lying multiple times before... How petty and very un-Amarrian of you. Go fix yourself. Once you have unshamed yourself a bit, feel free to come back and post a correction to any inaccuracy like a proper Amarrian gentleman would. I'm sure if there was a mistake, O Thief is not too proud to admit it and would like it rectified
Jkol0 COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 09:55:00 - [326] O Thief is a true Ushra'Khan warrior, one that believes in fighting for the freedom of all people. An amarrian like yourself could never understand this, and will forever be blinded by your false religion toward fake gods that know nothing more than to enslave others. Go back to your temples and pray for the forgiveness that your false gods could never give you. Ushra'Khan will soon be with you to end the suffering that your false religion has created. Go.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 10:13:00 - [327] Originally by: Morden Nok Originally by: O Thief Why only yesterday, a 9 man CVA gang of HAC's and Command Ships engaged a 7 man U'K HAC gang and lost all of their ships without killing anything. So indeed, small scale engagements of the type you mention do occur. I should have made that more clear in my report. Thank you for picking me up on this. Why do you keep lying when we can easily check your "facts". U'K did lose 2 Recon ships there, so how did CVA "lose all of their ships without killing anything"? Now, you did win fight hands down still and it's very much possible that Conlin and Seliah have issues posting their losses thus making your records completely untrustworthy. On the other hand, you and Butterdog have been caught lying multiple times before... It seems your intel could possibly be very untrustworthy ................
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.13 10:16:00 - [328] Originally by: Jkol0 Go back to your temples and pray for the forgiveness that your false gods could never give you. Ushra'Khan will soon be with you to end the suffering that your false religion has created. Go. Ushra'Khan (and its predecessor corps) have been saying that for nearly six years now. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 11:05:00 - [329] We're working on it Rodj. I suppose by the same token we could point out that despite the best efforts of the Amarrian Empire and its supporters, the Ushra'Khan are still here, still fighting, still refusing to lay down and die, still standing up for the voiceless. Nobody is pretending that our fight is an easy one, but we fight it anyway, because we must and because we can. Progress has been made, setbacks suffered. As in any war, and this war isnt over until the last freedom fighter dies with a defiant snarl on his lips.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 12:18:00 - [330] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief I wonder if any of these holders (including CVA) will find the courage to engage us on a one to one basis at any point? Time will tell! Just recently in KW-I6T, Exile Consortium engaged a mixed gang of 14 Ushra'khan heavy assault cruisers, recon cruisers and various support with 7 tech one cruisers. The results were even more one-sided in favor of CVA forces. So I suppose time has already told...? Let's not drag this discussion to the level of who has done what with what numbers. It's redundant to point out that either side tries to outnumber and outgun the other at any given time. The fact all you can cite when questioned about, only CVA against U'K, one on one fights is a small roaming gang engagement it sums it up really. It never happens, we're always alone, you with 5/6 other alliances in your fleets. The cloest thing we had to a proper fight just the two of us, we pretty much wiped out your entire fleet, which if I remember did have a few Providence allies in it, in fact if you read back I'm sure me and Mr. Solusar were discussing it at some point. I believe he was rather upset with the outcome if my memory serves me right, as it demonstrated that without your usual luxuries of overwhelming numbers and bridges you areàI would describe as rusty when it comes to tactical fights that actually require some thought besides just forming a huge fleet and bulldozing through everyone. Your mistake is thinking your luxaries will last forever. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

Hardin Amarr Important Internet Corp Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.02.13 12:34:00 - [331] I think its the perfect opportunity to borrow a quote from my old PIE friend Gaius Kador: Quote: *Bark little doggies, bark!*
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 12:59:00 - [332] Edited by: shanda captison on 13/02/2009 12:59:06 Originally by: Hardin I think its the perfect opportunity to borrow a quote from my old PIE friend Gaius Kador: Quote: *Bark little doggies, bark!* Look I can do that as well, I think I will quote what I said when I was wiping out your pitiful fleet: Quote: Die
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 13:23:00 - [333] Originally by: Hardin I think its the perfect opportunity to borrow a quote from my old PIE friend Gaius Kador: Quote: *Bark little doggies, bark!* Please refrain from 'dumbing down' my GalNet transmission. Thank you.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 13:36:00 - [334] Back on topic. Only moments ago, our brave warriors executed yet another POS liberation operation, securing an addtional Large Amarr Tower from SSI. This brings to 4 the total number of liberated large towers SSI have donated to the cause of freedom. It will be used wisely!
Morte Noir	Posted - 2009.02.13 14:23:00 - [335] Edited by: Morte Noir on 13/02/2009 14:26:52 Edited by: Morte Noir on 13/02/2009 14:25:51 Interesting reading how UK brags about fighting when out numbered when all they do is cloak and nano away. Don't mistake me here I am not one to say you need to fight a losing battle but please let us look at the truth here. CVA and Provi blocks blob UK cloak and run. Even when the numbers are equal. Just recently there was a UK fleet in an SSI system attacking the outpost. They had superior numbers to SSI about 15-5. A six man Sylph fleet warped in to help and guarded the station. UK tried to bait them with there nano tactics and the pilot in charge didn't fall into their trap. Result UK just cloaked up, hid and left rather than bring on a fight and the station was repaired. So for UK to brag about fighting against outnumbered odds is a lie they only fight when they know they can win and if outnumbered means 4 or 5 of there ships agains 1 ratter they must mean they only fight when they outnumber the enemy.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 14:40:00 - [336] So faced with an enemy who will not engage sitting just outside the docking bay of a station, you are surprised that freedom fighters engage cloaks and wait for someone to make a mistake? What would you have done in that situation? Incidently, no need to be coy by saying "an SSI system" you should have said "the SSI system" to prevent any possible confusion.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 14:47:00 - [337] Originally by: Morte Noir Edited by: Morte Noir on 13/02/2009 14:26:52 Edited by: Morte Noir on 13/02/2009 14:25:51 Interesting reading how UK brags about fighting when out numbered when all they do is cloak and nano away. Don't mistake me here I am not one to say you need to fight a losing battle but please let us look at the truth here. CVA and Provi blocks blob UK cloak and run. Even when the numbers are equal. Just recently there was a UK fleet in an SSI system attacking the outpost. They had superior numbers to SSI about 15-5. A six man Sylph fleet warped in to help and guarded the station. UK tried to bait them with there nano tactics and the pilot in charge didn't fall into their trap. Result UK just cloaked up, hid and left rather than bring on a fight and the station was repaired. So for UK to brag about fighting against outnumbered odds is a lie they only fight when they know they can win and if outnumbered means 4 or 5 of there ships agains 1 ratter they must mean they only fight when they outnumber the enemy. You have all the strategic knowledge and intelligence I would expect of an exclamation mark on GalNet. In the meantime, our kill records speak louder than your words ever could. You also sound strangely frustrated. Perhaps you have links to Sylph but dare not show your true name.
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.13 15:20:00 - [338] Another day another SSI POS taken. This is truly getting to be a joke. Attacking a Sylph home system that made me laugh I must admit. I do find their silence a bit disconcerting though. It seems UK lost a few ships but the fact that could incapacitate a station service in the process seems well worth losing a few easily insurable ships. I hate to say this but from being an impartial observer in this I am being swayed by the gallantry and initiative by the Ushra'Khan pilots. I can not wait to see what might develop next. This is better than watching "As the Titan Turns" on my view screen.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.13 16:09:00 - [339] Originally by: Il Morte I hate to say this but from being an impartial observer in this I am being swayed by the gallantry and initiative by the Ushra'Khan pilots. While the "gallantry" of Ushra'Khan could be argued back and forth with endless citings back and forth of apparently unimportant skirmishes and small fleet actions, I don't think even the impartial observers would argue Ushra'Khan's initiative. They know how to exploit an advantageous situation to the fullest, and they're doing precisely that against SSI. Several of their pilots also know how to gripe when their enemies do the same.
Kazan Bho Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 17:11:00 - [340] Edited by: Kazan Bho on 13/02/2009 17:13:11 Originally by: Hardin *Bark little doggies, bark!* Coming from one of the puppies who regularly runs around yipping whenever we stray too near their porch, unable to leave their yard and give chase under the restraint of such a short leash, this did make me smile Hardin. Thanks.

lucy indisguise	Posted - 2009.02.13 20:14:00 - [341] Originally by: Hardin Quote: *Bark little doggies, bark!* A bark that can bite still hurts, no matter the size.
Jkol0 COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 20:18:00 - [342] While the "gallantry" of Ushra'Khan could be argued back and forth with endless citings back and forth of apparently unimportant skirmishes and small fleet actions, I don't think even the impartial observers would argue Ushra'Khan's initiative. They know how to exploit an advantageous situation to the fullest, and they're doing precisely that against SSI. Several of their pilots also know how to gripe when their enemies do the same. Garreck, if you would like to point out something like this then you should also point out all the exploitations that cva has used in order to gain power when it should not have. Do not try and play this kind of pathetic tactic at tryin to make us look bad, you fail greatly at it when history shows how cva has exploited other alliances to its end and discarded them like mere trash and left them to die. After they died you would just roll in and throw up your poses and call it a victorious win against the enemies of amarr. You and all other gallente that have sided with devilish amarrian empire lost your privilege of being my brother the day you joined those monsters. The way you speak even shows their taintful influence. walks away in disgust
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.13 20:38:00 - [343] Originally by: Jkol0 Do not try and play this kind of pathetic tactic at tryin to make us look bad, you fail greatly at it when history shows how cva has exploited other alliances to its end and discarded them like mere trash and left them to die. After they died you would just roll in and throw up your poses and call it a victorious win against the enemies of amarr. Name one Holder we have abandoned. You say we have abandoned alliances and discarded them. I say CVA's enemies are clever at targetting alliances with any CVA or Providence tie at all, calling them CVA allies, taking them out and making a public spectacle of it. Slammers was previously the only such example. Now it is SSI. Your propeganda is transparent.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.13 22:23:00 - [344] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jkol0 Go back to your temples and pray for the forgiveness that your false gods could never give you. Ushra'Khan will soon be with you to end the suffering that your false religion has created. Go. Ushra'Khan (and its predecessor corps) have been saying that for nearly six years now. And how's that expansion of the Amarrian Empire coming along? Must be six years in the making now, yeah? Oh, see what I did there? I didn't even realise I was doing it? Gosh.
Vantras Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.13 22:42:00 - [345] It is with great amusement that I read these stories of Ushra Khan's never ending successes and CVA's limitless failures. As I gaze out the portal of my new home in 9uy I cannot help but recall where it all began. As I walk the halls of this newly rennovated outpost I can still see the occasional graffiti scrawled on the wall "Maggot was here" "Karn's Corner" "Conlin the cloaker". As I undock and travel to the dozens of systems in CVA and holder controlled Providence every gate, every system carries with it a story of great victory and the occasional defeat but each system lies secure in the hands of CVA and its allies. As I read the news while enjoying some quafe and discover that Providence is the most inhabhited null sec space in all of the Universe a small grin begins to spread across my face. As I recall the grand claims "providence will burn" "9uy will never be what it was when the terrorists had it" "CVA will collapse" I look to ymp, g5, s9x, qr, and think of how those areas used to be the hostile frontier. Talk is cheap! Propoganda on both sides rife-the facts, however are irrefutable. You came for your people -WE came for your space! Amarr Victor!
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 01:03:00 - [346] Vantras, you do indeed have a good point, facts are far clearer than propoganda. A number of years ago, CVA did indeed suceed in wresting space from U'K in Providence. You have succeeded in holding it since. But times are changing, CVA might is not what it was, they do not police their space as much as they once did. Instead, those tasked to support providence find that it is a far harder task than they percieved and they are frequently not up to the task. It is easy to speculate but bottom line, CVA's industrial strength might still be at a height but their military seems woefully lacking. Gone are the days of a pure CVA fleet being able to break enemy fleets in Providence, instead we see swathes choosing to just dock up when U'K come knocking and only see engagements when severely outnumbered.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.14 01:45:00 - [347] Originally by: Garreck Name one Holder we have abandoned. Your propeganda is transparent. They are not a holder but you abandoned IAC. They might still be here if you hadn't abandoned them.
Jkol0 COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 02:13:00 - [348] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Jkol0 Do not try and play this kind of pathetic tactic at tryin to make us look bad, you fail greatly at it when history shows how cva has exploited other alliances to its end and discarded them like mere trash and left them to die. After they died you would just roll in and throw up your poses and call it a victorious win against the enemies of amarr. Name one Holder we have abandoned. You say we have abandoned alliances and discarded them. I say CVA's enemies are clever at targetting alliances with any CVA or Providence tie at all, calling them CVA allies, taking them out and making a public spectacle of it. Slammers was previously the only such example. Now it is SSI. Your propeganda is transparent. I bet you keep telling that to all your allies to reassure them but it is fact that slammers betrayed UK and joined sides with CVA and worked closely with your alliance to take Unity, after it was taken you took little notice in them and your willingness to help them lessened and eventually stopped all together. Do not try to sully your gallente history further with your attempts to make CVA look like a good alliance
Jkol0 COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 02:18:00 - [349] Originally by: brandon packy Originally by: Garreck Name one Holder we have abandoned. Your propeganda is transparent. They are not a holder but you abandoned IAC. They might still be here if you hadn't abandoned them. Your right brandon they where not holders of providence space, but where allies to CVA and also came to their aid when they requested it, but when IAC was in dire need of their assistance they where nowhere to be found. That is the way of CVA, abandon you when your no longer needed or a detriment to them. Despicable, I'm suprised they didn't send them a public message saying that their amarrian gods would save them.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.14 03:36:00 - [350] Originally by: Jkol0 when IAC was in dire need of their assistance they where nowhere to be found. Strategic coordination was also nowhere to be found. IAC's collapse began from within. Lack of clear leadership after a certain betrayal, lack of coordination with allies, lack of any real direction at all. Throw -A- as an external pressure into the mix and you have a situation that CVA couldn't change no matter how we tried. But don't let facts get in the way of a good smear. The doublespeak is mindblowing: "boohoo, we got massively outnumbered when CVA supported their allies in a fleet battle" very shortly followed up with "CVA doesn't support their allies!" Very clever.

Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.14 04:38:00 - [351] Originally by: Kazan Bho Edited by: Kazan Bho on 13/02/2009 17:13:11 Originally by: Hardin *Bark little doggies, bark!* Coming from one of the puppies who regularly runs around yipping whenever we stray too near their porch, unable to leave their yard and give chase under the restraint of such a short leash, this did make me smile Hardin. Thanks. As someone who know well the extent to which the 'leash' of CVA forces extends, I find your comments laughable. Besides, show me the evidence of this 'yipping' in our own 'yard' or elsewhere? No, I didnt think so. Post your flame bait when you can come to my 'porch' and leave in the ships you arrived in. ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.14 04:39:00 - [352] Originally by: Mattduk Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jkol0 Go back to your temples and pray for the forgiveness that your false gods could never give you. Ushra'Khan will soon be with you to end the suffering that your false religion has created. Go. Ushra'Khan (and its predecessor corps) have been saying that for nearly six years now. And how's that expansion of the Amarrian Empire coming along? Must be six years in the making now, yeah? Oh, see what I did there? I didn't even realise I was doing it? Gosh. I remember when UA got it's 0.0 wings, flying in providence under the protection of CVA... Keep smacking. ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.14 04:41:00 - [353] Originally by: Sapphrine But times are changing, CVA might is not what it was, they do not police their space as much as they once did. Instead, those tasked to support providence find that it is a far harder task than they percieved and they are frequently not up to the task. Show me anything that may support the claim you make here, absolutly anything.... ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 06:07:00 - [354] Originally by: Redwolf Originally by: Kazan Bho Edited by: Kazan Bho on 13/02/2009 17:13:11 Originally by: Hardin *Bark little doggies, bark!* Coming from one of the puppies who regularly runs around yipping whenever we stray too near their porch, unable to leave their yard and give chase under the restraint of such a short leash, this did make me smile Hardin. Thanks. As someone who know well the extent to which the 'leash' of CVA forces extends, I find your comments laughable. Besides, show me the evidence of this 'yipping' in our own 'yard' or elsewhere? No, I didnt think so. Post your flame bait when you can come to my 'porch' and leave in the ships you arrived in. I come and go as I please , when I please , and leave as I please . You seem upset Mr Redwolf . Yes we lost Unity as you keep reminding us , but what have you done in the 2 years since taking it ?. Grown fat & lazy !!! All I see achieved in Providence these days is yet another outpost ..... 30 now ?. U'K has used what little resources it has , faced many challenges and excelled in constantly being outnumbered . Your bitterness results from jealousy . You have to admit that for such a small alliance that usually faces 3,4-1 odds we pack a big punch for its size . CVA surrounds itself with alliances to protect its own assets , some of these alliances are becoming bitter by the incessant rules thrown at them by their masters CVA .
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.14 06:20:00 - [355] Originally by: Conlin You have to admit that for such a small alliance that usually faces 3,4-1 odds we pack a big punch for its size . Sure thing, and you have to admit that 90% of the vitriol concerning CVA that spills forth from Ushra'Khan pilots is completely unfounded. But hey, we can also just go 'round and 'round with years-old insults and rhetoric.
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 07:40:00 - [356] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 14/02/2009 07:43:21 Originally by: Garreck But hey, we can also just go 'round and 'round with years-old insults and rhetoric. Indeed. How about both sides lay off. Take it to space.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.14 08:39:00 - [357] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 14/02/2009 08:44:52 I find it highly amusing being taught how to relate to friends and allies by Ushra Khan terrorists. Fact is that CVA has quite a few friends both inside Providence and beyond its borders while U'K seems to have none anywhere, except possibly an organisation or two whose policies are temporarily aligned with that of U'K. It seems that those organisations who wish to grow and prosper in the Providence area choose to align with CVA and not U'K - according to U'K, because of our "record" of abandoning our friends. U'K takes pride in always standing alone and trusting noone, but yet proceeds to teach CVA how to relate to our allies. How amusing. In keeping with the U'K "educational doctrine" they also keep claiming the utter success of U'K fighting abilities and deriding those of CVA and our friends. They "routinely" dispatch huge numbers of slavers throughout the Deliverance area - at least according to themselves. Of course, the term "slaver" seems to include practically everybody, everywhere and at any time - am I the only one who comes to think of such terms as "piracy"? With such fighting abilities to back their claims, it does strike me as odd that U'K is reduced to playing tenants to other organisations in either Catch or Curse. With such fighting abilities to back their claims, it does strike me as odd that U'K is reduced to moaning about CVA outnumbering them as it leave them no real chance of winning. With such fighting abilities to back their claims, it does strike me as odd that the "influence map" of EvE show absolutely no significant U'K "Beacon of hope". Does anyone even remember where that phrase was coined these days? If U'K are indeed "Coming for their people", I think it's about time they get moving. I've got a quite few of those people employed throughout Providence. They neither hope for nor believe they will ever see U'K show up in significant strength at their doorstep. U'K are fast becoming a scary story told by the Minmatar of Providence to their children at night. They are fast becoming fabled beasts much like trolls, orcs and dragons. Never seen or heard of, and only feared in the imagination of children. U'K may still exist beyond the borders of civilized society. They may still exist outside of the Amarr Empire and Providence. But they are of no consequence within our borders. Edit: While I will continue to respect the performance of some individual U'K pilots and their tenacity in fighting for their misguided beliefs, I do believe the propaganda "performance" of U'K as a whole has dropped significantly here on IGS. As Karn said: Take it to space. Q: How do you make a disobedient Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Wonton Willie	Posted - 2009.02.14 09:36:00 - [358] WONTON WILLIE IS SUPPORTIVE OF YOU PROSPECTIVE AND AUSPISCIOUSLY FLAVORED VICTORY AND CATCHING!
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 11:38:00 - [359] Edited by: shanda captison on 14/02/2009 11:38:26 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Fact is that CVA has quite a few friends both inside Providence and beyond its borders while U'K seems to have none anywhere, except possibly an organisation or two whose policies are temporarily aligned with that of U'K. I find it amusing that you think that, but in a lot of ways it makes me happy, one day you'll have a very nasty shock.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 11:54:00 - [360] Originally by: Redwolf Originally by: Mattduk Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jkol0 Go back to your temples and pray for the forgiveness that your false gods could never give you. Ushra'Khan will soon be with you to end the suffering that your false religion has created. Go. Ushra'Khan (and its predecessor corps) have been saying that for nearly six years now. And how's that expansion of the Amarrian Empire coming along? Must be six years in the making now, yeah? Oh, see what I did there? I didn't even realise I was doing it? Gosh. I remember when UA got it's 0.0 wings, flying in providence under the protection of CVA... Keep smacking. ya what? I don't believe we have ever been flying under the protection of CVA, in fact I was informed that it was CVA who contracted a bunch of mercs to remove our first alliance (Assembly of Ancients) from the VKI peninsula in Providence almost 4 years ago. You don't remember **, son. You're just making it up as you go along. Jump Bridges? ** idea.

zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.14 16:36:00 - [361] this is not garrecks stage. dont feed him my brothers.
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.14 19:32:00 - [362] Originally by: brandon packy They are not a holder but you abandoned IAC. They might still be here if you hadn't abandoned them. CVA helped IAC quite often though in the end, after such a long relationship, there was little CVA could do to rescue IAC from the path it was on.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.14 23:21:00 - [363] Originally by: Venomire CVA helped IAC quite often though in the end, after such a long relationship, there was little CVA could do to rescue IAC from the path it was on. Just because IAC had internal problems doesnt mean CVA shouldn't help, they let aaa control another outlet into prov space.
Amandi Casimi Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.15 02:26:00 - [364] Originally by: Mattduk Originally by: Redwolf Originally by: Mattduk Originally by: Rodj Blake Ushra'Khan (and its predecessor corps) have been saying that for nearly six years now. And how's that expansion of the Amarrian Empire coming along? Must be six years in the making now, yeah? Oh, see what I did there? I didn't even realise I was doing it? Gosh. I remember when UA got it's 0.0 wings, flying in providence under the protection of CVA... Keep smacking. ya what? I don't believe we have ever been flying under the protection of CVA, in fact I was informed that it was CVA who contracted a bunch of mercs to remove our first alliance (Assembly of Ancients) from the VKI peninsula in Providence almost 4 years ago. You don't remember ****, son. You're just making it up as you go along. CVA has never contracted mercenaries, nor will we ever. Someone else needs to remember their history correctly. ------------------------- Let neutrals be neutrals.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 04:25:00 - [365] Edited by: O Thief on 15/02/2009 04:32:44 Yesterday around 300 Providence holders reinforced two U'K control towers (the liberated SSI ones) in GMLH and GE- Severance placed three large towers in each system. I'm not entirely sure of the stategic value of this, it is a curious move, to be sure. However, if the Providence holders would like to escalate matters in this way, we'll be happy to entertain them.
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.15 10:28:00 - [366] Originally by: brandon packy Originally by: Venomire CVA helped IAC quite often though in the end, after such a long relationship, there was little CVA could do to rescue IAC from the path it was on. Just because IAC had internal problems doesnt mean CVA shouldn't help, they let aaa control another outlet into prov space. Perhaps I was unclear. CVA did help, even when -A- was besieging IAC. There was very little they could do to help IAC because of those internal problems. An ally can only support you so far, you need to go the rest of the way. IAC was incapable of that (due, as was stated, to internal issues.)
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 13:00:00 - [367] Originally by: Venomire Originally by: brandon packy Originally by: Venomire CVA helped IAC quite often though in the end, after such a long relationship, there was little CVA could do to rescue IAC from the path it was on. Just because IAC had internal problems doesnt mean CVA shouldn't help, they let aaa control another outlet into prov space. Perhaps I was unclear. CVA did help, even when -A- was besieging IAC. There was very little they could do to help IAC because of those internal problems. An ally can only support you so far, you need to go the rest of the way. IAC was incapable of that (due, as was stated, to internal issues.) Every single one of the Providence holders, with the possible exception of Severance who seem more active than CVA at the moment, is incapable of standing on it's own two feet and would easily be crushed by U'K if left to their own devices. So by your logic, CVA should abandon all it's allies? Interesting.
Megatron7	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:04:00 - [368] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Venomire Originally by: brandon packy Originally by: Venomire CVA helped IAC quite often though in the end, after such a long relationship, there was little CVA could do to rescue IAC from the path it was on. Just because IAC had internal problems doesnt mean CVA shouldn't help, they let aaa control another outlet into prov space. Perhaps I was unclear. CVA did help, even when -A- was besieging IAC. There was very little they could do to help IAC because of those internal problems. An ally can only support you so far, you need to go the rest of the way. IAC was incapable of that (due, as was stated, to internal issues.) Every single one of the Providence holders, with the possible exception of Severance who seem more active than CVA at the moment, is incapable of standing on it's own two feet and would easily be crushed by U'K if left to their own devices. So by your logic, CVA should abandon all it's allies? Interesting.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 19:12:00 - [369] An hour to go before our POS exit reinforced. U'K had system superiority for about 6 hours earlier in the day, and used that time to repair POS mods and get them onlined, so the POS are armed at least. There are about 170 Provi-blob in GE at the moment, along with 30 of us (many of us are outside the system). Severance have dropped 4-5 large towers in GMLH, S-U, and GE-. Its truly awful space, but apparently they have an overcrowding problem in the KBP area. Fair enough. It's going to be nice having some new targets close to home.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 21:14:00 - [370] Something like 500 ProviBlob pilots were involved this evening in the destruction of our stolen SSI towers, including hundreds of battleships and about 80 caps. The towers, since they have been anchored, are responsible for the destruction of over 100 ships. They've given us more than their moneys worth, thats for sure! There is some skirmishing on-going. Aside from the stolen towers, U'K haven't lost much - a few ships here and there. We still have a stockpile of other liberated towers to put to good use. The sight of 500 Providence holders gathering to eliminate them is too entertaining to resist. On another note, over 120 U'K pilots were in alliance channels this evening - something of a record and really quite special given our size. I salute each and every one of them for facing up to overwhelming odds. We continue to grow stronger and look forward to entertaining our new neighbours soon!

Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:33:00 - [371] Originally by: O Thief Edited by: O Thief on 15/02/2009 22:23:00 Propoganda to boost terrorist morale Your figures are wrong and your starbases were destroyed. Amarr Victor ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:01:00 - [372] Edited by: O Thief on 15/02/2009 23:05:27 Originally by: Hardin Originally by: O Thief Edited by: O Thief on 15/02/2009 22:23:00 Propoganda to boost terrorist morale Your figures are wrong and your starbases were destroyed. Amarr Victor If you have any issue with my figures, then feel free to provide corrections if you wish. I think we both know which side lost the most ISK this evening. It wasn't us, by a very very long margin. And there are more liberated towers where they came from, don't worry ;) To define victory, you would first have to understand our goals. We stole those towers, and placed them down, to attract attention and get slaver kills. The victor by an reasonable definition of the word is one who accomplishes his goals.
Namaraa	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:14:00 - [373] Funny, since Providence achieved its goal as well. The victor in this engagement is clear. Amarr Victor.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:15:00 - [374] Originally by: O Thief Something about ISK... Enjoy your victory then. Long may such 'victories' continue ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:15:00 - [375] Originally by: Namaraa Funny, since Providence achieved its goal as well. The victor in this engagement is clear. Amarr Victor. If you consider losing 100 ships destroying two towers paid for by your own side a 'victory', then here is to many more!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:16:00 - [376] Originally by: O Thief The victor by an reasonable definition of the word is one who accomplishes his goals. How wonderful that we can all be winners even as one side continually loses space to the other! It's a beautiful galaxy, alright. Ushra'Khan warriors used to know how to die with dignity. Today most of they dying took place between -A- and Providence forces while Ushra'Khan barked impotently from the sidelines of their own systems. It's a real shame.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:22:00 - [377] Edited by: O Thief on 15/02/2009 23:23:51 Originally by: Garreck Ushra'Khan warriors used to know how to die with dignity. Today most of they dying took place between -A- and Providence forces while Ushra'Khan barked impotently from the sidelines of their own systems. It's a real shame. Oh, thats a good one, CVA moaning that our allies fight for us. Because you always fight alone, don't you? Fact is, CVA were less than 20% of numbers fielded tonight on the Proviblob side. For shame. Besides, we were fighting, our kills records clearly show that. There is only so much two seperate 30 man gangs can do faced with 500. We did what we could, opportunistically, and netted about 50 kills of our own, but thank you for your concern all the same :) Next time, if its a 'fight' you are after, try bringing less thgan 5:1 numbers in your favour and we'll see what can be done.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:38:00 - [378] Originally by: O Thief Oh, thats a good one, CVA moaning that our allies fight for us. Because you always fight alone, don't you? Fact is, CVA were less than 20% of numbers fielded tonight on the Proviblob side. For shame. I don't see how this addresses what you quoted at all. Particularly the bit that Ushra'Khan talked while -A- fought, and the bit about dignity. Beyond that, your statistic is a) innaccurate and b) misleading in that we fielded the most numbers as is appropriate for an organization leading an attack and asking our allies to throw in their lot with us.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:49:00 - [379] Edited by: O Thief on 15/02/2009 23:52:22 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief Oh, thats a good one, CVA moaning that our allies fight for us. Because you always fight alone, don't you? Fact is, CVA were less than 20% of numbers fielded tonight on the Proviblob side. For shame. I don't see how this addresses what you quoted at all. Particularly the bit that Ushra'Khan talked while -A- fought, and the bit about dignity. Beyond that, your statistic is a) innaccurate and b) misleading in that we fielded the most numbers as is appropriate for an organization leading an attack and asking our allies to throw in their lot with us. Simple question: how did we net so many kills by 'not fighting'? I'm genuinely curious. Admittedly there wasn't much we could do with the numbers brought, but we certainly did what we could without suiciding. Frankly I'm very pleased with our performance, given the overwhelming numbers against us, we were nimble and applied intelligence to what we did. Qualities sorely missing from your skill-less blob. I must say, conidering CVA consider this a great 'victory' you are all sounding remarkably bitter on GalNet. Cheer up!
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:51:00 - [380] I think it's prety clear now that the Proviblob, aptly named of course, have no interest in 'good' fights, which is fair enough. I also think it's pretty clear to all concerned that the Proviblob cannot accomplish much unless they outnumber their enemy by more than 5 to 1. All valid tactics, and fair play to them, if it's the only way they can do it. Jump Bridges? **** idea.

Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:56:00 - [381] Next time we shall try to destroy hostile towers with 2 dreads, 1 carrier and perhaps 20 or 30 cruisers to provide "a good fight". If we realy feel bold then we could add perhaps 5 sniper battleships to the mix. Of course only if our enemies are ok with that.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:01:00 - [382] Edited by: O Thief on 16/02/2009 00:01:54 Originally by: Cpt Constantinus Next time we shall try to destroy hostile towers with 2 dreads, 1 carrier and perhaps 20 or 30 cruisers to provide "a good fight". If we realy feel bold then we could add perhaps 5 sniper battleships to the mix. Of course only if our enemies are ok with that. Well, how about a good old fashioned CVA v UK fight? Or is CVA now incapable of facing up to its old foe on an equal footing? (I say equal, you have twice our membership...)
Namaraa	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:03:00 - [383] Perhaps you are still bitter from loosing Providence?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:06:00 - [384] Edited by: Garreck on 16/02/2009 00:06:36 Originally by: O Thief I must say, conidering CVA consider this a great 'victory' you are all sounding remarkably bitter on GalNet. Talk of our short leash ended in the loss of your recently gained systems. Talk of ratios ended with discussion about your role on the sidelines in the defense of said systems. So on to the next propeganda step in the Strategic Guide to Spin: talk about how angry your enemy sounds, and if they're angry that must mean they're wrong and/or losing! Been around that block too many times O Thief. If you're happy to leave it at "Proviblob took our systems from us today in a decisive, overwhelming move" I'll be happy to leave it at "Ushra'Khan in their typical tactical spunkiness were opportunistic and scored kills against a numerically superior force." If you wish to deviate from the above facts, of course, I'll be happy to play the spin game until we're both so dizzy we can't fly straight. If -A- want to talk about how they killed a bunch of our stuff in the face of...what, 3v1 odds...? Then let -A- talk about that. Ushra'Khan had little (nothing at all?) to do with -A-'s successful engagements against us. You come across very silly indeed when the best you can do in the face of your lost systems is talk about how someone else entirely at least made us pay with a few ships for our victory.
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:06:00 - [385] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Cpt Constantinus Next time we shall try to destroy hostile towers with 2 dreads, 1 carrier and perhaps 20 or 30 cruisers to provide "a good fight". If we realy feel bold then we could add perhaps 5 sniper battleships to the mix. Of course only if our enemies are ok with that. Well, how about a good old fashioned CVA v UK fight? Or is CVA now incapable of facing up to its old foe on an equal footing? You should know pretty well that "good old fashioned fights" are pretty unlikely when it comes to POS busting operations. Stakes are far too high when capital ships are involved. Normal battleship/hac/whatever gangs are far more likely to lead to such a fight. You know where we are and afaik we have never hotdropped or doomsdayed such a fleet. Therefore i am pretty certain that getting the desired old fashioned fight cant be that difficult.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:10:00 - [386] Originally by: Cpt Constantinus Next time we shall try to destroy hostile towers with 2 dreads, 1 carrier and perhaps 20 or 30 cruisers to provide "a good fight". If we realy feel bold then we could add perhaps 5 sniper battleships to the mix. Of course only if our enemies are ok with that. There's no need to be silly. You know exactly what I mean. No alliance within the Proviblob can fight without the assitance of the remaining proviblob alliances, and not unless they outnumber their foe by ridiculous ratios. You had between 70 and 80 dreads, and maybe between 20 and 30 carriers, with up to another 400+ support, all to kill one tower. If it is Severence that wish to claim sov in GMLH & GE-, it is a shame that Severence cannot do it alone. To be honest, we should be flattered that Severence feel the necessity to bring over 100 caps and over 400 support to engage our two starbases defended by our 50 (on average) man fleet. [OOC - it's also pretty clear that the rp relationship between CVA and UK is well and trully over, which is a pity.] Jump Bridges? **** idea.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:17:00 - [387] Originally by: Cpt Constantinus Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Cpt Constantinus Next time we shall try to destroy hostile towers with 2 dreads, 1 carrier and perhaps 20 or 30 cruisers to provide "a good fight". If we realy feel bold then we could add perhaps 5 sniper battleships to the mix. Of course only if our enemies are ok with that. Well, how about a good old fashioned CVA v UK fight? Or is CVA now incapable of facing up to its old foe on an equal footing? You should know pretty well that "good old fashioned fights" are pretty unlikely when it comes to POS busting operations. Stakes are far too high when capital ships are involved. Normal battleship/hac/whatever gangs are far more likely to lead to such a fight. You know where we are and afaik we have never hotdropped or doomsdayed such a fleet. Therefore i am pretty certain that getting the desired old fashioned fight cant be that difficult. yes, I remember just the other night how you brought even numbers to engage our BS fleet that incapped the repair service of one of the outposts in provi. If, by 'even' you mean three equal sized fleets converging on our one. You know that's poppy**. You know that even in conventional engagements the Proviblob are unwilling to engage us in 'even' fights. It's a fact that was ratified just this past Thursday. But like I said, that's ok, if it's the only way you can defeat us. To reiterate something O Thief mentioned earlier in this thread. I also challenge any proviblob alliance to actually fight us alone, without the assistance of your allies. A pointless challenge, we all know, for you won't do it. You're too afraid to engage Ushra'Khan alone.... ,,,and so you should be. Jump Bridges? ** idea.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:19:00 - [388] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 16/02/2009 00:06:36 Originally by: O Thief I must say, conidering CVA consider this a great 'victory' you are all sounding remarkably bitter on GalNet. Talk of our short leash ended in the loss of your recently gained systems. Talk of ratios ended with discussion about your role on the sidelines in the defense of said systems. So on to the next propeganda step in the Strategic Guide to Spin: talk about how angry your enemy sounds, and if they're angry that must mean they're wrong and/or losing! Been around that block too many times O Thief. If you're happy to leave it at "Proviblob took our systems from us today in a decisive, overwhelming move" I'll be happy to leave it at "Ushra'Khan in their typical tactical spunkiness were opportunistic and scored kills against a numerically superior force." If you wish to deviate from the above facts, of course, I'll be happy to play the spin game until we're both so dizzy we can't fly straight. If -A- want to talk about how they killed a bunch of our stuff in the face of...what, 3v1 odds...? Then let -A- talk about that. Ushra'Khan had little (nothing at all?) to do with -A-'s successful engagements against us. You come across very silly indeed when the best you can do in the face of your lost systems is talk about how someone else entirely at least made us pay with a few ships for our victory. Given that CVA constantly talk about achievements they simply could not have reaslied without the help of allies, like todays POS destruction, I think U'K are entitled to do the same. I talk of the bigger picture, it would be ridiculous and non-sensicle of me to talk about todays events without mentioning -A-, and indeed it would be disrespectful too, given what they contributed. Are you that delusional that you think us anchoring two stolen towers was a serious play for territory? Have you looked at that territory? We have stacks of control towers available in alliance reserves - if we wanted that awful space we would have counter-spammed. No-one in their right mind would want it though. Our concern is that of destroying slavers and their associates in Catch. Well, objective complete - SSI are all but gone. Now we have a new toy to play with. We're looking forward to it. We hope they are too!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:21:00 - [389] Originally by: O Thief Now we have a new toy to play with. We're looking forward to it. We hope they are too! That's fair enough, O Thief.
BHaddow Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:23:00 - [390] Originally by: Garreck Talk of our short leash ended in the loss of your recently gained systems. I do believe only one of those systems was under Ushra'Khan "control" and this was merely because we had left up a tower, that had been put up to break SSI control, to draw a fight from those who were scared by it

Alistair Cononach Amarr The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 04:01:00 - [391] Originally by: O Thief If you have any issue with my figures, then feel free to provide corrections if you wish. What would be the point. Our goal today was clear, destroy the two U'K Starbases. We did it, as planned. Losses, in the service of of God, is an acceptable sacrifice regardless of how many it takes to get the job done. Anyway, quibbling about kill numbers with a sworn enemy over Galnet is, after all, is a definied mental disorder as described by the Amarrian Medical Association...... Originally by: O Thief I think we both know which side lost the most ISK this evening. It wasn't us, by a very very long margin. And there are more liberated towers where they came from, don't worry ;) Fear not Thief, we're not worried in the slightest. The simplest truth is this: you started the day with two towers. today, those towers are dead. The rest, I'm sad to inform you, is spin. Originally by: O Thief To define victory, you would first have to understand our goals. Your goals are irrelevant. We had a misssion, and it was accomplished. What else is there to say? Originally by: O Thief We stole those towers, and placed them down, to attract attention and get slaver kills. The victor by an reasonable definition of the word is one who accomplishes his goals. I'm glad to see you admit your status as a petty Thief. Also nice to see you agree so deeply that accomplishing ones goals defines victory. We clearly accomplished ours, and we are quite comfortable in our victory today.
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 05:48:00 - [392] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 16/02/2009 05:50:42 Well done, 2 towers down requiring a meer 80 capships. Karn slow claps My congratulations on your ... efficiency. We too are confortable in achieving our goals, destruction of your assets using our (by now predictable I hope) suicidal death-stars. Play down our part in the fight all you wish, it makes no difference to me. I retired from the field pleased with the knowledge I had lead a wing of our fleet against the slavers and holders in GE- with overwhelming efficiency. Exactly how I like it. U'K morale is high, we remain secure in the knowledge that no matter what force you bring, we can find a way to fight it. The fire of freedom burns on.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 06:08:00 - [393] For rabble so self confident the UK certainly do bleat and puff in a very public way quite frequently. No one else believes it, why should you? Then again, it does provide others a fine illustration of WHY things are the way they are. Do carry on, no doubt it brings you some hollow comfort.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.16 06:22:00 - [394] Given the history between the two groups, smack is not suprising to see. However, if less talking occurred here and more fighting occurred in space i think we will all have more fun. Not to mention more kills for all.
Dema Tan Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.16 09:33:00 - [395] Interesting to see this squable between sworn enemies. One might start to think they actually like each other. While this is far from the truth. It still looks like a he said she said game. With these stories the truth is always in the middle. While it's treu that CVA and pets fielded a fleet over or near 500 hulls. The actual battle including 60 to 70 Caps and a lot of support totaling the cva force to a mere 382 hulls. These are the figures that took part of the battle, so it does not include gate camps and the ships in w9 So it's safe to say they brought overkill with em. On the otherside we have U'k who put up 2 towers taken from SSI, while they were unachoring their towers. And claiming victory to, mainly cause they had not paid for the towers. So they lose little . What we also see is that CVA and pets try to convince the general populace that U'k claimed sov,they only did this in GMLH-K. The other system where they destroyed a SSI tower S-U has never been claimed neither has GE-94X. U'K put up a fight with in mind the destruction of the towers. So from a morale point they won, look it from the Provi side they came to kill the towers. And succeded, so it sounds as a win, win deal to me. And as for the -A- support don't blame U'K for tactics, that are incorperated by the pets from CVA. It's only natural to side up with an like minded entity to defend yourself. Funny thing is that while all this was going on SSI was happily docked in there little backyard called KW-I6T. Crying on how unfair they got treated. Kelban Kevar > o/ Nanaha > o/ Kelban Kevar > nice to see so many blues out here Nanaha > Yeah, a fun weekend :D Kelban Kevar > ya maybe for you all not so much for me been recruiting most of it and trying to fix things DEVILSKNIGHT > you should read the lies uk is put out kk Kelban Kevar > dude i stoped posting on the forums no point to it DEVILSKNIGHT > i no i just like to read Kelban Kevar > ya some of them are funny Kelban Kevar > any way guess back to reshaping the allaince some more DEVILSKNIGHT > yea i got the repair up again DEVILSKNIGHT > and reprocess Kelban Kevar > nice DEVILSKNIGHT > yea give uk something to do later for them to shoot i guess
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 10:18:00 - [396] Originally by: brandon packy Given the history between the two groups, smack is not suprising to see. There are several Provibloc pilots for whom I have a deal of grudging respect either for their sense of honour or for their fighting prowess. Its sad to see those pilots talking so much smack and engaging in so much chest thumping. In the interest of rising above and proving that a free pilot is a better pilot, I'd like to offer my congratulations to CVA, Sever3nce, Sylph, Libertas Fidelas, 100111011, Paxton and Aegis Militia for the destruction of our starbases and the claiming of more territory for themselves. I'm disappointed to not have seen SSI fighting for their territory, but I'm confident that we'll be seeing them hovering around their station soon enough. The good news is of course that Ushra'Khan are still here and will be until the last one of us is dead and buried. Hiding behind large fleets will only protect you so far, eventually they disperse and we resume our attacks, only with a taste for blood.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 10:56:00 - [397] I have a question, given CVA have declared they lead this operation to engage U'K in Catch space and the clear indication by -7- to deploy towers in Catch, a region not controlled by CVA and very much controlled by -A-, have the provi block changed their tune from 'please don't hurt us -a-!' to 'we'd quite like to die right now?' I mainly ask because I was utterly amazed to hear that a bored Sylph gang on a roam had actually wondered as far as the Curse Watchtower and shot up the station services there in the past week. One would almost take the provi blobs actions as aggressive and war like.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:23:00 - [398] Before a few days are out, Proviblob will be back to square one. Whilst sovereignity is not our goal, it does seem to irritate the slavers and they place great importance on it. Our assets are like magnets attracting kills. U'K shall deploy deathstars again soon, in defiance of the rhetoric and clumsy fleets. Unless the providence dwellers are willing to deploy 450 pilots every few days, victory is no where in sight for them. I predict frustration, and tired pilots making the kind of basic errors which net us so many delicious kills in the name of freedom. Peace will not be found here. Not whilst our warriors live and breathe!
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:33:00 - [399] Originally by: brandon packy Given the history between the two groups, smack is not suprising to see. However, if less talking occurred here and more fighting occurred in space i think we will all have more fun. Not to mention more kills for all. this phrase is a dead horse, already r4p3d in other communication channels. I do believe the "smack" and talk in this thread is in a healthy relations to the fighting that goes on in parallell. I counted at least 500 enemy ships (this is about the total size of my own alliance) and i counted an astonishing amount of warriors on our own side - more than 100 people were active and sitting in a pod ready to punch the bloody fist. Which is a really nice percentage for an alliance of our size. But i want to highlight that "smack" or mockery is not in order - the "proviblock" as we call the slaver influenced sphere, acted efficiently and did not take chances. mobilizing that fleet is an achievement of its own and displays military porfessionality. That is why we fight them, theyre too dangerous to be left alone. If we dont stop them, we soon find our homeplanets enslaved again. Yeah they outnumbered us, but if i were in their position id probably have done the same. Well done slavers - sincerely impressive. Will we back down now, cry in our pillos because assets we have borrowed from the bloc have been destroyed? You have three guesses ... :-) Stay tuned on this frequency, to hear more tales about Ushra'khans fight for freedom and CVAs fight for injustice and the custom of slavery. recruiting -forum
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 13:29:00 - [400] Exactly the attitude and maturity we expect from you Zoolkhan and it's why myself along with many CVA respect you and your alliance. Some great fights the last night, some great efforts by both sides and a perfect opportunity for me to replenish my slaves from the many rescued Ushra'Khan crewmen we saved in more ways than one. When we do capture you (and we will), a special place in the factories will be reserved for you and others like you.

Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 13:39:00 - [401] Hopefully that "special place" is working on radiation shielding for your ships... are you entirely sure that you want known hostile pod pilots and kamikaze tribal warriors working on critical subsystems for you? Just another reason for you to give up slavery, and another reason that I issue sidearms and explosives to all of my crewmembers and not just the infiltrators.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:03:00 - [402] ôOut there on the event horizon, a new age races toward us,ö said the Empress in her announcement, ôand it is approaching fast. The Lord in his infinite grace has instructed me that the chains that fetter us will no longer be necessary in this new age of light and reason, neither the chains of hatred that restrain our minds nor the chains of indenture that restrain those less fortunate than ourselves.ö What reason is there not to embrace the holy Amarrian Empire now? ----- Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 16:49:00 - [403] Originally by: Tharrn ôOut there on the event horizon, a new age races toward us,ö said the Empress in her announcement, ôand it is approaching fast. The Lord in his infinite grace has instructed me that the chains that fetter us will no longer be necessary in this new age of light and reason, neither the chains of hatred that restrain our minds nor the chains of indenture that restrain those less fortunate than ourselves.ö What reason is there not to embrace the holy Amarrian Empire now? As we are all aware, what those in power say and what they mean are often quite different. Genocide by 9 generations of indoctrination is still genocide. Enslaved by indoctrination but not shackled to the mast is just a more subtle shade of slavery. Its a clever move and it shows to me an empress feeling a need to appease the minmatar slaves in her borders, needing to gain some political currency. Seeing that weakness pleases me and i'm sure many other freedom fighters. We come for our people. Millions have been saved but there is still much work to be done.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:04:00 - [404] Originally by: Tharrn What reason is there not to embrace the holy Amarrian Empire now? One heartfelt speech by Foiritan is not going to make you join the Federation. I don't see why you should assume that one heartfelt speech by your leader will inspire people to join the Empire. ----- Andreus Ixiris Duty. "Kein Fnrst, kein Gott, kein Hass, kein Mitleid, kein Schmerz, nur ich"
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:23:00 - [405] Originally by: brandon packy Given the history between the two groups, smack is not suprising to see. Obviously you are right. I doubt that there are any organisations out there with as deeply rooted animosity as between the noble CVA and the contemptous U'K. Our ability to form coherent and intelligent thought or speech is defined by our intellect. That very same intellect that is so clearly demonstarted by our recognition (or lack thereof) of our place in this universe. In short, we could define humanity by it's ability to recognize and understand it's position in the universe. So in this case, on one hand we have GOD's chosen people, walking in his light and knowing full well our role and destiny in the universe. On the other we have those who are barely able to conceive of GOD's very existence. We have those who barely qualify as human. Bearing that in mind, communication between the two has to occur on a very basic level. It is quite conceivable that we should expect no signs of civilized behaviour and cordial interactions from those beings who hardly qualify as humans in the first place. That does not mean however, that we amarr should stoop to a level below our dignity and attempt communication in such a way as to make ourselves more easily understood by our inferiors. That would be like a holder barking at his pup slaver hound instead of teaching it the basic skills it needs to understand civilized commands - even if it can never itself formulate or even conceive a civilized thought in it's inferior mind. Such, I believe, is the curse of GOD's holy warriors - to interact with beings of lesser quality and worth. To be forever superior beings among inferiors. That does not mean we should lower our standards!!! It is human to err, and none but GOD should deem himself above fault. I cannot control the actions of anyone but myself. All I can control is how I subjugate myself to the will of GOD and in what way I interact with others. Ont he final day, I shall be judged by those two standards, and until then I shall put personal judgement unto others by those very same standards. Amarr Victor! Q: How do you make a disobedient Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:34:00 - [406] Originally by: zoolkhan ...and i counted an astonishing amount of warriors on our own side - more than 100 people were active and sitting in a pod ready to punch the bloody fist. I know it is not my place to give you advice on how to structure your fleets, but I do think 100 pods is a bit odd. Perhaps you should consider actually flying spaceships next time? I hear bantams are pretty much the roar these days. Why don't you give it a go? It might work..... [OOC: PS. I fully agree with your ideas of no smack on IGS - except, of course, when it is me doing the posting.] Q: How do you make a disobedient Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:58:00 - [407] Having read numerous accounts of events in GMLH yesterday, I thought I'd end my spamming session by giving a PERSONAL account of how I saw things progressing in GMLH. Given U'K claims of friendship with AAA I, personally, believed we were in for quite a fight for the system. I fully expected Ushra Khan to show up in strength to defend their tower, and AAA to send significant reinforcements. My impression today is that I was at least partly wrong. While AAA did send reinforcements, U'K presence was "limited" at best. I had expected a lot more from the U'K pilots, if for nothing else then to show their new friends in AAA that they mean business. It seems I was wrong. As events unfolded, my impression was that the majority of the fighting took place between AAA and the Providence Bloc, with U'K as interested bystanders. As to who "won" the fight I'd say that going by losses seem rather irrelevant to me. Both AAA and the Providence Bloc is able to sustain far greater losses than those suffered without taking notice at all. U'K didn't suffer much either of course, due to them never deploying in force. The real way of looking at the "win/loss" thing then is to look at what obejctives were met and what objectives weren't. The Providence Bloc had as it's purpose to destroy the two U'K towers - we succeeded. Needless to say, I expect U'K to be able to deploy more along the way, but for now the "Sov" game has probably turned against them in GMLH. That does make the Providence Bloc stand stronger in the area today than we did yesterday. The fact that AAA could field a 100 bs fleet on a secondary (to them) battlefield after one month of fighting Goons is impressive. In my mind, AAA should be pleased with their performance due to this and the way they performed on the field. It is obvious who is the "big dog" in Catch. I'll say no more of them, as they are obviously a bunch of "fringe barbarians" who care naught for GOD or Empire. To my mind the side achieving least in this fight was U'K. The losses they inflicted were insignificant and Amarr influence was strengthened in this part of Catch. The official U'K response today seems to be: Originally by: U'K We didn't want those towers or that space anyway If this is true, U'K will revert to their cloaking hit and run tactics that may look good on any killboard, but is unlikely to accomplish anything on the strategic scale. Or maybe U'K will make another bid for GML hoping for AAA intervention when needed. If so, the above "quote" is clearly untrue, but we shall see what happens next. Time will tell. Amarr Victor. Q: How do you make a disobedient Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
Cribb Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:00:00 - [408] Edited by: Cribb on 16/02/2009 18:01:09 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Originally by: zoolkhan ...and i counted an astonishing amount of warriors on our own side - more than 100 people were active and sitting in a pod ready to punch the bloody fist. I know it is not my place to give you advice on how to structure your fleets, but I do think 100 pods is a bit odd. Perhaps you should consider actually flying spaceships next time? I hear bantams are pretty much the roar these days. Why don't you give it a go? It might work..... [OOC: PS. I fully agree with your ideas of no smack on IGS - except, of course, when it is me doing the posting.] It might be you misguided human,who needs to brush up on eve tech. this is a good start :eggers This also explain why you need to outnumber U'K fleets we command from our pod. ------- When in doubt, play loud
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:19:00 - [409] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Having read numerous accounts of events in GMLH yesterday, I thought I'd end my spamming session by giving a PERSONAL account of how I saw things progressing in GMLH. Given U'K claims of friendship with AAA I, personally, believed we were in for quite a fight for the system. I fully expected Ushra Khan to show up in strength to defend their tower, and AAA to send significant reinforcements. My impression today is that I was at least partly wrong. While AAA did send reinforcements, U'K presence was "limited" at best. I had expected a lot more from the U'K pilots, if for nothing else then to show their new friends in AAA that they mean business. It seems I was wrong. As events unfolded, my impression was that the majority of the fighting took place between AAA and the Providence Bloc, with U'K as interested bystanders. As to who "won" the fight I'd say that going by losses seem rather irrelevant to me. Both AAA and the Providence Bloc is able to sustain far greater losses than those suffered without taking notice at all. U'K didn't suffer much either of course, due to them never deploying in force. The real way of looking at the "win/loss" thing then is to look at what obejctives were met and what objectives weren't. The Providence Bloc had as it's purpose to destroy the two U'K towers - we succeeded. Needless to say, I expect U'K to be able to deploy more along the way, but for now the "Sov" game has probably turned against them in GMLH. That does make the Providence Bloc stand stronger in the area today than we did yesterday. The fact that AAA could field a 100 bs fleet on a secondary (to them) battlefield after one month of fighting Goons is impressive. In my mind, AAA should be pleased with their performance due to this and the way they performed on the field. It is obvious who is the "big dog" in Catch. I'll say no more of them, as they are obviously a bunch of "fringe barbarians" who care naught for GOD or Empire. To my mind the side achieving least in this fight was U'K. The losses they inflicted were insignificant and Amarr influence was strengthened in this part of Catch. The official U'K response today seems to be: Originally by: U'K We didn't want those towers or that space anyway If this is true, U'K will revert to their cloaking hit and run tactics that may look good on any killboard, but is unlikely to accomplish anything on the strategic scale. Or maybe U'K will make another bid for GML hoping for AAA intervention when needed. If so, the above "quote" is clearly untrue, but we shall see what happens next. Time will tell. Amarr Victor. Why so bitter Oct ?. In what fashion would you expect U'K to deploy against 90plus caps and over 300 support ?. We dont ask or rely on -A- to fight our fights , we have friends in their alliance , it was asked what was going on , and they sent a fleet to fight . I know this , I was the person who was contacted by -A- . You know as well as I do -A- take great enjoyment in attacking your alliance and your friends . How can you say after one fight your losses were insignificant slaver ? , have you forgotten the previous 2 attempts , where your fleets were sent packing , and all that was left were wrecks ?. Forgotten or its just apt at this moment in time to regret that they ever happened ?. You achieved your goals by finally destroying the 2 towers , but we controlled the situation for how many weeks now ?. You know well as I do ,that those 2 previous attempts by your underlings were poorly handled, and a final strike had to be made to restore your honour . We expected it for a long time , but everyday passed with nothing in sight . You got what you wanted and removed our 2 towers , and we got what we wanted by stealing and placing those towers to get a fight . All in all ?.... I,m happy ! .
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:19:00 - [410] It's not over. And yes Sylph please keep assaulting AAA stations. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:46:00 - [411] Edited by: brandon packy on 16/02/2009 18:46:23 Originally by: shanda captison It's not over. And yes Sylph please keep assaulting AAA stations. This statement will probably hold the most meaning over everything else said in the thread, at least in the long run. It will be interesting to see what slyph will do next....
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:35:00 - [412] Edited by: O Thief on 16/02/2009 19:38:04 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Having read numerous accounts of events in GMLH yesterday, I thought I'd end my spamming session by giving a PERSONAL account of how I saw things progressing in GMLH. Given U'K claims of friendship with AAA I, personally, believed we were in for quite a fight for the system. I fully expected Ushra Khan to show up in strength to defend their tower, and AAA to send significant reinforcements. The joke, my friend, is on you. Look what we have done to you. How foolish does your over-reaction look now? You POS spammed worthless systems, send down 500 people and 80 caps, and then act suprised when we simply laugh? Maybe you haven't been following the chain of events in that pipe. The short version, for those who have not been following this GalNet transmission, is as follows: U'K liberated a number of towers, and as part of our campaign of attrition against SSI used them to neutralize their cynojammers in GMLH and GE. This resulted in us destroying numerous POS and reducing their advantages as defenders. The plan worked. That is the only reason we anchored SSI's Control Towers in that pipe, and the reason we held sov since SSI dismantled their infrastructure, and it passed to us in one system - GMLH. Indeed, it was planned to remove the tower from GMLH since it no longer served a purpose. Any U'K member can confirm that alliance orders were recently issued that pilots should cease using the GMLH POS, since we planned to dismantle it. I know you would love to think how you've struck us a mortal blow, and how we really wanted that space, but unfortunately you are wrong and can be proven to be wrong. Hurts, doesn't it, to have wasted to much time and ISK for nothing? Now, bearing in mind we didn't pay for the towers, and bearing in mind the opportunity cost of mobilising so many pilots and caps, and ALSO bearing in mind that over 200 ships worth 10bn ISK in total have been lost assaulting the towers on three seperate occasions, who do you really think is smiling here? Who is the real winner? 'Ah! But you need the space!' you cry. Actually, we don't, my friend. We have access arrangements in place in much better space where ISK is plentiful, especially compared to the barren asteroid belts and pitiful moons of Providence. The industrialists of Providence are simply green with envy, and so they should be. Also, I'm sure you will enjoy knowing that your forces competently 'forgot' to loot dozens of faction POS mods, along with large numbers of standard mods, so we did that for you. The total value is around 600m. When you consider the chain of events, I'm sure you can start to understand why so many of our warriors are laughing right now. You put on a great show, though. Shame it was all for nothing.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:49:00 - [413] Edited by: O Thief on 16/02/2009 19:51:59 Originally by: Octavinus Augustus My impression today is that I was at least partly wrong. While AAA did send reinforcements, U'K presence was "limited" at best. I had expected a lot more from the U'K pilots, if for nothing else then to show their new friends in AAA that they mean business. It seems I was wrong. Your transparent attempts at divide and conquer fall at the first hurdle. U'K were, in fact, following -A- guidelines which involved having our members on standby in carriers and shield logisitcs ships. The stront was also timed as per their request. When it became evident that the numbers involved would mean suicide if the carriers were brought in, we simply changed to support ships, raced down, and camped the exit routes. That netting about 50 rather juicy kills. But carry on trying to drive in the wedge. Only perhaps make it a little less desperately transparent, for your own sake. Between POS gunners, support groups, and capitals, we had no less than four seperate gangs running simultanously. We're proud of our performance, and don't require a CVA 'stamp of approval', thank you all the same. It's not as if you can teach us anything about standing against overwhelming odds.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:53:00 - [414] Edited by: Garreck on 16/02/2009 19:54:04 Originally by: O Thief How foolish does your over-reaction look now? About as foolish as your earlier assertion: Originally by: O Thief You are impotent in Catch I guess we're all fools here. I even agreed with you, silly me.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:58:00 - [415] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 16/02/2009 19:54:04 Originally by: O Thief How foolish does your over-reaction look now? About as foolish as your earlier assertion: Originally by: O Thief You are impotent in Catch I guess we're all fools here. I even agreed with you, silly me. CVA are indeed impotent. Alone. And it was directing that firmly at CVA alone, in the context of our discussion at the time. Do feel free to prove me wrong at any point.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:12:00 - [416] Originally by: O Thief Do feel free to prove me wrong at any point. We would rather just continue to hammer down your towers should you deploy any more and be content with the knowledge that for many days of this discussion you mocked us, insulted us, and dared us to flatten you in Catch...and then we did precisely that. I suppose if defeating Ushra'Khan repeatedly means the joke's on us...then hot damn, the joke's on us.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:23:00 - [417] Originally by: Garreck We would rather just continue to hammer down your towers should you deploy any more and be content with the knowledge that for many days of this discussion you mocked us, insulted us, and dared us to flatten you in Catch...and then we did precisely that. If you really want to flatten Uk out of catch, why dont you invade the -A- space that houses UK pilots
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:35:00 - [418] Originally by: brandon packy If you really want to flatten Uk out of catch, why dont you invade the -A- space that houses UK pilots Because -A- would handle an invasion of their space a lot differently than an invasion of U'K space? If you think I'm ashamed to admit that -A- would manhandle the combined CVA and Holders forces in a toe-to-toe fight, you're dead wrong. For all we know we've sealed our fate by expanding into Catch at all...but we put our fate in the hands of God and carry out His will against His enemies (quite specifically, in this case, Ushra'Khan.)
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:44:00 - [419] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: brandon packy If you really want to flatten Uk out of catch, why dont you invade the -A- space that houses UK pilots Because -A- would handle an invasion of their space a lot differently than an invasion of U'K space? If you think I'm ashamed to admit that -A- would manhandle the combined CVA and Holders forces in a toe-to-toe fight, you're dead wrong. For all we know we've sealed our fate by expanding into Catch at all...but we put our fate in the hands of God and carry out His will against His enemies (quite specifically, in this case, Ushra'Khan.) At least you are honest, that i must respect
Vantras Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:44:00 - [420] CVA is impotent alone? Can the spin get any richer then this. Ushra Khan operating alone would have you basing your operation out of Rens. Two years after you fled 9uy and the best you can muster is 2 pos's in a backwater system that you held for a week? You exist in 0.0 at the whim of AAA. We are just reaffirming this - yet again- and cleaning up some loose ends. There is not a pilot in CVA that doesnt have tremendous respect for the might of AAA. Being assisted by them and your repeated pleas for asstiance on Intergal does not extend that respect to the rabble that is today's Ushra Khan.

O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:48:00 - [421] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: O Thief Do feel free to prove me wrong at any point. We would rather just continue to hammer down your towers should you deploy any more and be content with the knowledge that for many days of this discussion you mocked us, insulted us, and dared us to flatten you in Catch...and then we did precisely that. I suppose if defeating Ushra'Khan repeatedly means the joke's on us...then hot damn, the joke's on us. Of course you would prefer that, you don't have the strength to face us alone, and we know that. However to 'flatten us' in Catch you'll have to do a lot more than pop two stolen control towers with 400 of your closest friends, whilst losing 200 ships over it. We still have towers up. We'll be putting more up. Do your worst, slaver!
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:52:00 - [422] Originally by: Vantras CVA is impotent alone? Can the spin get any richer then this. Ushra Khan operating alone would have you basing your operation out of Rens. Two years after you fled 9uy and the best you can muster is 2 pos's in a backwater system that you held for a week? You exist in 0.0 at the whim of AAA. We are just reaffirming this - yet again- and cleaning up some loose ends. There is not a pilot in CVA that doesnt have tremendous respect for the might of AAA. Being assisted by them and your repeated pleas for asstiance on Intergal does not extend that respect to the rabble that is today's Ushra Khan. Yet more GalNet comedy gold by CVA. By your allies strength did you sieze 9UY. By the strength of others did you destroy SSI's control towers. You do what you do, not because you are strong, but because unlike U'K you prefer to hide your weaknesses behind the meatshields of Providence. We have no complaints that you do that - but don't call us up on the same thing, for that would make you a hypocrite. Highly undesirable, I'm sure you can agree.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:52:00 - [423] Originally by: O Thief We still have towers up. We'll be putting more up. Do your worst, slaver! A much more befitting tone to write new chapters in the rich history of our conflicts. I pray we will do our best, terrorist! Amarr Victor!
Vantras Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:54:00 - [424] Quick clarification on the towers you are putting up Butter. Just to get the record straight. Do you want those towers? or the space they are in? Or are you just putting then up because you "stole" more towers or something odd. Want to make it clear - now that you are bragging about putting towers up-what it will look like in the "spin" column once we come flatten them again. It's hard to follow the Ushra Khan story line here.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:58:00 - [425] Originally by: Vantras Quick clarification on the towers you are putting up Butter. Just to get the record straight. Do you want those towers? or the space they are in? Or are you just putting then up because you "stole" more towers or something odd. Want to make it clear - now that you are bragging about putting towers up-what it will look like in the "spin" column once we come flatten them again. It's hard to follow the Ushra Khan story line here. As has been clear from the start of this trasmission, space claiming is not our goal. Our goals may require the use of towers to gain certain strategic advantages or encourage fighting. This has not changed since our campaign in Catch began. It will not change now.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:03:00 - [426] Originally by: O Thief By your allies strength did you sieze 9UY. Don't forget how U'K held it when it came under assault the time before...
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:18:00 - [427] Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:20:00 Originally by: Vantras Quick clarification on the towers you are putting up Butter. Just to get the record straight. Do you want those towers? or the space they are in? Or are you just putting then up because you "stole" more towers or something odd. Want to make it clear - now that you are bragging about putting towers up-what it will look like in the "spin" column once we come flatten them again. It's hard to follow the Ushra Khan story line here. I believe an advert a saw for a certain isk related "charge card" sums up the tactics we've been using, and what they will be for the forseeable future, I have of course changed the wording occordingly: - Liberate Providence monkey towers, costs, a dozen combat ships and the appropraite transporter. - Anchor and online liberated Providence monkey towers in their systems, costs, that same transport ship and some fuel (which was also in part stolen off the Providence monkies but that's another story) note as we didnt lose the modules they are not included. - Over the last 2 months killing over 85 billion isks worth of Providence monkey ships, including 5 capitals, just below 350 battleships, 2 large towers, 2 Sylph Orcas (maybe not related to the towers so much but I just felt like mentioning it) and overall lots of good fights for our brave warriors to enjoy, costs...well a damn sight less then it costs the Providence monkies looking at our efficiency! Does that answer your question, or do you need me to simplify yet further? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Vantras Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:38:00 - [428] Edited by: Vantras on 16/02/2009 21:41:01 Shanda you nailed it perfectly and I thank you. Ushra Khan is interested in and measures its success by its "efficiency". Not by whether it defeats the Amarr, liberates slaves, disrupts activity in Providence, assists the milita etc. It is about efficiency. Number of ships and their value you kill versus what you lose. There are many among us that suspected this-but many who couldnt believe it so. Got it. A major change for Ushra Khan but I accept your word and accept this as your organization's new goal and the way you do and will be measuring success. CVA, as you likely know, measures success in a slightly different way.
Vantras Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:40:00 - [429] Originally by: shanda captison Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:31:45 Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:20:00 Originally by: Vantras Quick clarification on the towers you are putting up Butter. Just to get the record straight. Do you want those towers? or the space they are in? Or are you just putting then up because you "stole" more towers or something odd. Want to make it clear - now that you are bragging about putting towers up-what it will look like in the "spin" column once we come flatten them again. It's hard to follow the Ushra Khan story line here. I believe an advert I saw for a certain isk related "charge card" sums up the tactics we've been using, and what they will be for the forseeable future, I have of course changed the wording accordingly: - Liberate Providence monkey towers, costs, a dozen combat ships and the appropraite transporter. - Anchor and online liberated Providence monkey towers in their systems, costs, that same transport ship and some fuel (which was also in part stolen off the Providence monkies but that's another story) note as we didnt lose the modules they are not included. - Over the last 2 months killing over 85 billion isks worth of Providence monkey ships, including 5 capitals, just below 350 battleships, 2 large towers, 2 Sylph Orcas (maybe not related to the towers so much but I just felt like mentioning it) and overall lots of good fights for our brave warriors to enjoy, costs...well a damn sight less then it costs the Providence monkies looking at our efficiency! Does that answer your question, or do you need me to simplify yet further? For preservations sake.
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:54:00 - [430] Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:57:42 Edited by: shanda captison on 16/02/2009 21:56:31 Originally by: Vantras Edited by: Vantras on 16/02/2009 21:41:01 Shanda you nailed it perfectly and I thank you. Ushra Khan is interested in and measures its success by its "efficiency". Not by whether it defeats the Amarr, liberates slaves, disrupts activity in Providence, assists the milita etc. It is about efficiency. Number of ships and their value you kill versus what you lose. There are many among us that suspected this-but many who couldnt believe it so. Got it. A major change for Ushra Khan but I accept your word and accept this as your organization's new goal and the way you do and will be measuring success. CVA, as you likely know, measures success in a slightly different way. In doing the first thing we achieve the other two, by keeping the kill vs loses high we distrupt activies in Providence and liberate slaves (who are rescued from destroyed slaver ships). The milita has nothing to do with this discussion, but now you mention them how is the relationships with yours going? You accuse us of saying "we didnt want those towers anyway" when you yourself are claiming "we didnt want that 85 billion isks worth of ships you destroyed". You cant have it both ways. I would agree, it's simply the case of our pilots being fearless warriors who constantly demand action. Your existance of living in a care free land, collecting bounties off sansha pirates, mining the belts, chasing after single hacs in 20 man fleets, and more recently sieging towers with 500 pilots, would not sit well with them. Edit: [OOC - thanks, if that gets nuked I'm going to cry] Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:59:00 - [431] Originally by: Vantras Edited by: Vantras on 16/02/2009 21:41:01 Shanda you nailed it perfectly and I thank you. Ushra Khan is interested in and measures its success by its "efficiency". Not by whether it defeats the Amarr, liberates slaves, disrupts activity in Providence, assists the milita etc. It is about efficiency. Number of ships and their value you kill versus what you lose. There are many among us that suspected this-but many who couldnt believe it so. Got it. A major change for Ushra Khan but I accept your word and accept this as your organization's new goal and the way you do and will be measuring success. CVA, as you likely know, measures success in a slightly different way. Have you lost your mind, poor slaver? Shanda was answering YOUR specific question about control towers. You didn't ask about U'K goals in the broad sense. If you had, the answer would have been different. I know intelligence has never been a trait of slavers, but you really need to think before you transmit on GalNet.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:06:00 - [432] Edited by: Xennith on 16/02/2009 22:07:00 Efficiency is simply a measure of how much damage is inflicted with what resources. You call us terrorists, we call ourselves freedom fighters, but we want to inflict as much damage as possible on slavers, free as many slaves as possible, and drive as many pilots away from your slave built empire as possible. And we want to do this loseing as little hardware as possible. Efficiency is a poor metric, but until we can start measuring the smiles on the faces of the slaves I have rescued from you monsters, its the easiest to calculate. You measure success by a different criteria. Number of systems owned, total population subjugated, total amount of free thought, free will and self determination suppressed. So in short, we think the only good slaver is a slowly spinning vaccuum frozen corpse, and you think the only good system is one that CONCORD says belongs to you, even if days go past without visits from the golden fleet. And which one of us is supposed to be inhuman again?
shanda captison The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:09:00 - [433] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Vantras Edited by: Vantras on 16/02/2009 21:41:01 Shanda you nailed it perfectly and I thank you. Ushra Khan is interested in and measures its success by its "efficiency". Not by whether it defeats the Amarr, liberates slaves, disrupts activity in Providence, assists the milita etc. It is about efficiency. Number of ships and their value you kill versus what you lose. There are many among us that suspected this-but many who couldnt believe it so. Got it. A major change for Ushra Khan but I accept your word and accept this as your organization's new goal and the way you do and will be measuring success. CVA, as you likely know, measures success in a slightly different way. Have you lost your mind, poor slaver? Shanda was answering YOUR specific question about control towers. You didn't ask about U'K goals in the broad sense. If you had, the answer would have been different. I know intelligence has never been a trait of slavers, but you really need to think before you transmit on GalNet. Luckily, in my time fighting slavers I have become able to read their minds so to speak, and thus can give the answer that they want to hear, but without themselves knowing or able to express it themselves. It helps me to defeat them in fleet battles. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:35:00 - [434] It is interesting to read of these events over the past few days. It most definatley would appear to be a Victory by CVA and holders but for one thing. You can not have Victory when an enemy has nothing to lose in being defeated. After following these events for some time, from th ebeginning of the campaign against SSI to the fall of the stolen SSI towers I have to say O'thief has been honest in claiming they did not want the space. Remeber you can defeat someone who has nothing to los eand this is the stregnth of UK. However reading the events and consulting to several who were part of it. The boasts of UK are false, their was no victory or glory, as there was no defeat, for the Amarrians got their achieved goal, and UK really did not lose anything. I have heard from several reports and sources that -A- brought a Titan into GMLH however thought better of deploying it. Could have been the prospect of facing over 70 capital ships as well as several hundred Battleships, some on the field and some in reserve. (please I choose not to reveal my sources as they consist of private convos and messages from pilots on both sides of the fight) Needless to say it was impressive to see that CVA, Sylph and holders could put together and coordinate such a fleet. That -A- truly showed what they are willing to commit to UK speaks volumes as well. As history of -A- will show they will grow weary of UK and then they will have no home as well. The willingness of UK to take the fight is interesting and I wonder if and actual good old fashioned rumble could be set up between the 2 groups. 1 system, 1 date, 1 time, x amount of ships equally set up and just have it out. No blobbing and cloaking and running. Just two warrior groups hammering it out. The prize can be slaves, yes slaves UK wins they may be handed over to UK for freedom, if CVA wins they can be handed over for servitude, and end all of this baosting and lying propaganda
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:36:00 - [435] It's incredible to read UK's chest beating in these pages. 1st you warned the "friends of slavers" that they weren't welcomed in Catch. After the interesting reports of the "victories" against SSI you provoked an attack from the "Slavers" them selves and UK's opposition was weak, very weak, to say the least. AAA as usual proved that they are on the level of their reputation and engaged the Holders Fleets... It was AAA doing the fighting, it was AAA making the damage not UK. But your alliance continues the chest beating. Is AAA aware of that? Is AAA aware that you are taking as yours, their credits ? According with our registry's UK pilots in the fights reached 32(!) in the middle of +400 pilots fighting! I'm sure you were the decisive factor for so many Holders losses . Now you claim that you are going to put up more towers so you can have fights. Well I'm sure if you do that, there will be good fights, but they will be with AAA, not with UK. We can even end with a bloody nose, like it happened already several times. But if that happens, I can assure you that the credit will be all from AAA. There are several UK pilots that I respect a lot. Namely the ones that on a daily basis put their noses most of the times alone or in groups of 2-3 in the middle of Providence. It takes guts and skill to attack in the middle of hundreds of pilots that populate the region. Those are UK true warriors. Sorry to say O Thief but most of the times I see you fighting is in the forums. Good fight AAA. ________________ God is my Wingman
Da Beast The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:55:00 - [436] You have reached too far with your greedy little fingers and they shall be chopped off by the shoulder. Your fleets will burn like they did in SV5 when you reached too far the last time.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:06:00 - [437] Originally by: Da Beast You have reached too far with your greedy little fingers and they shall be chopped off by the shoulder. Your fleets will burn like they did in SV5 when you reached too far the last time. 0_0 so that's why that fight in SV5 happened....thank you for explaining that mystery to me Da Beast. It will be useful info. --Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:35:00 - [438] Edited by: O Thief on 17/02/2009 00:41:23 Originally by: DeadDuck It's incredible to read UK's chest beating in these pages. 1st you warned the "friends of slavers" that they weren't welcomed in Catch. After the interesting reports of the "victories" against SSI you provoked an attack from the "Slavers" them selves and UK's opposition was weak, very weak, to say the least. AAA as usual proved that they are on the level of their reputation and engaged the Holders Fleets... It was AAA doing the fighting, it was AAA making the damage not UK. But your alliance continues the chest beating. Is AAA aware of that? Is AAA aware that you are taking as yours, their credits ? According with our registry's UK pilots in the fights reached 32(!) in the middle of +400 pilots fighting! I'm sure you were the decisive factor for so many Holders losses . Now you claim that you are going to put up more towers so you can have fights. Well I'm sure if you do that, there will be good fights, but they will be with AAA, not with UK. We can even end with a bloody nose, like it happened already several times. But if that happens, I can assure you that the credit will be all from AAA. There are several UK pilots that I respect a lot. Namely the ones that on a daily basis put their noses most of the times alone or in groups of 2-3 in the middle of Providence. It takes guts and skill to attack in the middle of hundreds of pilots that populate the region. Those are UK true warriors. Sorry to say O Thief but most of the times I see you fighting is in the forums. Good fight AAA. Another transparent attempt at divide and conquer. Pay one side compliments, deride the other. Sadly, for you, it's not going to work, because everyone knows the U'K fight and indeed love to fight. It's what we've been doing for 6 years and it won't stop now. Yes, on that occasion we were outnumbered massively. Yes, we could not take on the 400-500 man fleet in a straight up conventional fight. Does that suprise you? Did you expect something else? We fought outnumbered, we killed ships, we lost ships. Everything we could have done was done. CVA have never fought like this. You have never faced such overwhelming numbers against you. The numbers you mention are one U'K gang which was in GMLH. There was another U'K gang in GE- slowing you all down and picking you off one-by one. And yet another gang in coverts and POS gunning. But it suits you to mock us, doenst it. How brave of you to trash talk us from behind your blob of 500 pilots. I honestly don't know what you expect of a 500 man alliance, but I think we delivered pretty well. Don't dare to lecture us on combat prowess when hugely outnumbered, when all you can do is trash talk from behind your allies blobs. That takes no skill, and it earns you no respect. The great majority of this GalNet trasmission has focused on what U'K are up to in Catch. We talked about our campaigns and shared our stories against SSI. Now AAA have been involved in a fight, and suddenly we're chest beating on their behalf? I've rarely heard such nonsense on GalNet. CVA - your spin is as weak as it is desperate. Lay off the vitoc, its clearly eroding your sense of perspective.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:53:00 - [439] Edited by: Garreck on 17/02/2009 00:55:25 Originally by: O Thief CVA - your spin is as weak as it is desperate. Lay off the vitoc, its clearly eroding your sense of perspective. We don't need to spin. Ushra'khan took up sovereignty in a region adjacent to CVA. This was unacceptable. We remedied the situation. (With no small amount of smugness that we did it after weeks of insult that we didn't have the will/capability/whatever as thoroughly documented early in the discussion.) This is not a discussion of skill or combat prowess. You keep bringing that up, not us. You are the one trying to justify the 'accidental gain' and apparently unimportant loss of a system. You didn't want it; fine, we took it off your hands. There's no need to spin that. It has happened. You'll find most of CVA and Holders see little difference in the amount of skill required to flex our numerical advantage on a strategic level and Ushra'Khan's favorite tactics of cloaking in a system for days with a wolfpack in the hopes of finding solo targets who stand little chance and picking them off. The truth of the matter is that neither tactic is an expression of skill, merely the tactically prudent approach. What more is there to discuss?
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:04:00 - [440] Edited by: O Thief on 17/02/2009 01:06:45 Anyone with eyesight and a brain can read the transmission, and clearly see from the start that we were not making a claim of space. I don't need to 'pretend' anything - its all there in documented black and white on GalNet. Its in our alliance communications stating we were going to dismantle the GMLH POS as it had served its purpose. Please, do carry on trying to spin it if you wish. But don't expect anyone to be impressed with your 'achievement' in massively blobbing our small alliance to destroy liberated control towers. It wasn't your achievement. Your allies deserve the thanks. However, whilst we were not looking to claim space, the POS spamming of the systems of GMLH, S-U and GE- certainly look like you are trying to expand your influence. Or did Severance place those POS simply to generate fights in U'K style? I think not, my dear slaver.

Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:13:00 - [441] just got done with the final tallying, have a record news for cva and frinds the cost of removeing 2 large towers and a small tower came with the price tag in man hours of over 60 billion isk. This is one of the most expensive per pos take down in the last year. "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:14:00 - [442] Originally by: O Thief However, whilst we were not looking to claim space, the POS spamming of the systems of GMLH, S-U and GE- certainly look like you are trying to expand your influence. An astute observation. Were you expecting a denial?
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:23:00 - [443] Originally by: Lilan Kahn just got done with the final tallying, have a record news for cva and frinds the cost of removeing 2 large towers and a small tower came with the price tag in man hours of over 60 billion isk. This is one of the most expensive per pos take down in the last year. Made up statistics are always the best.
Kinet Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:37:00 - [444] Originally by: O Thief An AAA fleet of 100 strong engaged 300 ProviBlob in GE- not long ago, netting about 100 kills for 20 or so losses. U'K joined in the fighting and had a seperate gang camped the exit route, netting about 45 pod kills as people moved back up the pipe. Very good fun! So, in your own words, AAA engaged the Provi forces while you and 30 elite members of UK sat at a gate, several systems away from the real action, and shot at unarmed pods coming back from the battle. Very commendable. I'm sure it was a impressive display of ship to ship combat on your part.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:50:00 - [445] Originally by: Solusar Originally by: Lilan Kahn just got done with the final tallying, have a record news for cva and frinds the cost of removeing 2 large towers and a small tower came with the price tag in man hours of over 60 billion isk. This is one of the most expensive per pos take down in the last year. Made up statistics are always the best. so you disagree with the removal of our 2 large pos's and 1 small pos, not takeing 4600 man hours? "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 02:55:00 - [446] Originally by: Kinet So, in your own words, AAA engaged the Provi forces while you and 30 elite members of UK sat at a gate, several systems away from the real action, and shot at unarmed pods coming back from the battle. Very commendable. I'm sure it was a impressive display of ship to ship combat on your part. Please refer to reply number 438. Why you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, I don't know. Saying it more than once doesn't make it true.
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:55:00 - [447] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Obviously you are right. I doubt that there are any organisations out there with as deeply rooted animosity as between the noble CVA and the contemptous U'K. You make me giggle.
shadow124	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:55:00 - [448] guys please, don't be so harsh with uk. How many alliances do you guys actually know that made her people believe that loosing all sov systems is a victory? i'd be honest i don't know one. And don't forget, there is a fire of freedom burning somewhere, that is fired by innocent people. Hard to find though, probably cloaked. i actualy wanted to quote some more, but i'll refrain to it to be a bit more efficient. At the end of the day, you'll see what is left, and it won't be much.
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:58:00 - [449] Originally by: shadow124 How many alliances do you guys actually know that made her people believe that loosing all sov systems is a victory? i'd be honest i don't know one. You also make me giggle.
BHaddow Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 12:05:00 - [450] Originally by: shadow124 How many alliances do you guys actually know that made her people believe that loosing all sov systems is a victory? i'd be honest i don't know one. You value sov too much, our sov was 1 system that wasnt particularly useful for anything, claimed by 1 tower that had been stolen from SSI positioned to lure a fight. If we wanted sov we would of tower spammed the system as Sev3rance have done, clearly they want those rather bad ratting belts ALOT.

Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2009.02.17 14:46:00 - [451] I would really like to hear some estimated numbers by both sides. How many POSes are up in Catch? How much income do they give? How much can a pilot get off the belts by mining and by killing pirates? For they have to kill off more than that or they never will drive the enemies out. They have to stop them making money also. How much is a POS worth? How much material is lost during fights on both sides? How many people and "manhours" were involved? How many pilots are average present in the systems to make money? If it is not coming down to numbers the CVA will deny anything happening at all. In my opinion a simple battlestatistic on the other hand is also not talking straight. Am I right or am I wrong? Any numbers by hand, say for the last month? -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Il Morte	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:07:00 - [452] I no longer know how to respond or what to think. As I read these transmissions I can not help but picture UK pilots sitting at the Bar, drink in hand, moping and whining about how they fought a good a fight but CVA brought sooo many ships. I mean really how dare CVA and bloc bring in so many ships to fight, after all this is not a war that has been going on for ages, why would one not want to bring a force that guarantees success. Ushra'khan are you warriors or spoiled children. You talk of how your big brother won a skirmish killing 100 CVA ships, who cares, what did you do. You were all big and bravado picking on a failure like SSI, but when the big dogs come in force you whine they are too big and too many how dare they do that, fight fair. Well I ask you what is fighting fair. Do you consider your tactics that I am hearing about fighting fair, by cloaking and running? I am sure to the Provi bloc that is not a fair way to fight them. You act all noble and self righteous when in reality you are an embarrassment to freedom fighters. The only difference between you and the AmarrianÆs is the slavery issue. Please go ahead and respond as you always do, stating how uninformed I am, mock me as you mock all of those you can not respond to. Your responses have disappointed me. You put up SSI stolen towers to get a response from the slavers, well they responded, and now you cry like children that they responded in overwhelming force, talking about how great your big brother did in killing the enemy while all of your towers went pop. I once stated that I had begun to respect you for what you were accomplishing, well that respect is gone you lost it. OÆthief you sound like a wounded Amarrian groom who boasts of his new wifeÆs chastity only to find on his wedding night she has been used. He does not know how to react to it and takes it out on everyone but himself for being foolish in boasting. Just as SSI was overwhelmed by you, you were overwhelmed by the Provi Bloc, just as SSI cried and whined and acted boastful afterwards, you cry and whine and act boastful afterwards. I had been impartial and would still like to stay this way, but UK you have let me down in your responses to the battles this past weekend.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:19:00 - [453] Well, naturally I'm disappointed to have lost your respect. but im still trying to figure out what happened in the last 10 or so comments to provoke such an extreme opinion change. Ah well, we'll still be fighting without your support Mr. Morte, thank you for your faith in us, shortlived as it was.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.17 16:44:00 - [454] Originally by: Alica Wildfire I would really like to hear some estimated numbers by both sides. How many POSes are up in Catch? How much income do they give? How much can a pilot get off the belts by mining and by killing pirates? For they have to kill off more than that or they never will drive the enemies out. They have to stop them making money also. How much is a POS worth? How much material is lost during fights on both sides? How many people and "manhours" were involved? How many pilots are average present in the systems to make money? If it is not coming down to numbers the CVA will deny anything happening at all. In my opinion a simple battlestatistic on the other hand is also not talking straight. Am I right or am I wrong? Any numbers by hand, say for the last month? I know this is probably not what you're looking for, but you could view the losses sustained in this manner. The Providence Bloc probably numbers around 5000 pilots all in all (incl Holder alliances and various friends in the area). Assume that each of those pilots have an "economic daily capacity" of 5 mil isk (this is probably much to low given the really good agent running and pos network available to us). That gives us a "daily economic capacity" for the Providence Bloc of 25 bil isk. Using THE SAME "economic daily capacity" numbers for both U'K and AAA you'd get a U'K capacity of 2 bil isk and a AAA number of 25 bil, given their allies in AAA Citizens etc. Normally however, I would assume the U'K number is slightly lower than the ProviBloc one, while the AAA number is significantly higher (better moon minerals in Catch and 0.0 COSMOS). So, if you ask me, I'd say the numbers would be something like this: U'K - 1.5 bil "Daily capacity" ProviBloc - 25 bil "Daily Capacity" AAA + friends - 40 bil "Daily Capacity" These numbers are my best guess at the relative capactity of each bloc, based on a guess of 5 mil daily capacity of a typical Provi Bloc member. Feel free to multiply each number with any factor you'd like, if you think this 5mil estimate is either to high or to low. The numbers are of course based on guesswork, so I'm pretty sure you'll have Butters/O Thief around here in 30 seconds flat smacking on about how U'K have a far better number while ProviBlocs number is far to high. Your job will then be to decide for yourself whom you think has shown himself to be the more objective observer. It is obvious however, that the losses sustained in GMLH by any of the three sides were insignificant compared to their economic potential. To my mind, this speaks volumes of Butters/O Thiefs repeated "We humiliated you" claims. You have to discuss that with him however, I couldn't care less. As for the Fleet blobbing argument, it could be said that with the total pilot numbers above, this shows a ProviBloc fleet participation of app. 400 out of 5000 which is roughly somewhere between 5-10%. U'K, according to their own figures, had a participation of 100 out of 400, which translates into 25% participation. It can thus hardly be argued that the Provibloc had mustered "all hands" in the assault on GMLH, even if some U'K pilots would argue otherwise. Q: How do you make a disobedient Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 17:25:00 - [455] Edited by: O Thief on 17/02/2009 17:29:41 Well the economic figures are quite interesting. However, I would genuinely hazard that you're a little out, and not for the sake of disagreeing either. Allow me to elaborate :) The difference between Provibloc and -A- is moon income - and specfically promethium and dysprosium. I've heard estimates of somewhere around the 250bn ISK a month mark for -A- moon income at current market rates. Now that is second hand information, but I do have access to moon scans of various regions, and know an approximation of who is mining which high-end. I doubt we'll get a true figure but the 200-300bn a month region is a good guesstimate. Recently, during the capture of Estoria from Goonswarm, -A- allowed its allies to claim the high-end moons which were worth 160bn ISK a month at current prices. That would suggest that they have more enough already. As for the U'K, well, we don't do too badly. We have several older corps for whom ISK is not so much of an issue, and many corps such as mine own commodities like Tech II BPO's which bring in a steady and reliable income, albiet not on the scale of multiple Dysprosium moons. But we do okay, and I'd hazard we are a great deal more 'comfortable' financially than many Providence holder corporations and alliances. U'K members also have access to space which is much more resource rich than anything the Provibloc have access to, which again helps. I wouldn't class U'K as rich, not in the current sense of the word, as that honour would go to holders of multiple high-end moons. The economic power of alliances is rarely if ever measured on the total capacity of individuals to mine, collect belt pirate bounties etc... and with good reason. It is collective alliance funds which are used to fuel wars - the pilot who has to mine for his own ship, is far less likely to be both willing or able to lose it in battle.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 17:33:00 - [456] Originally by: Il Morte 180 degree turn Thanks. If we begin to be concerned about the opinion of pilots still resident in their home schools, we'll let you know :)
Maggot Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.17 17:35:00 - [457] Maggot lent forward in his chair to look again at the report he had been given on the current campaign. His eyes began to strain as he read the figures regarding "opportunity cost" and "average daily earnings". He turned to the port window as a Cheetah flew by at speed, no doubt headed for the Sendaya/Doril entrance to Curse. As he turned the report was swept accidently into recycling bin. "Now where were we?" Maggot said to no-one in particular.
brandon packy	Posted - 2009.02.17 18:04:00 - [458] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus The Providence Bloc probably numbers around 5000 pilots all in all (incl Holder alliances and various friends in the area). Assume that each of those pilots have an "economic daily capacity" of 5 mil isk (this is probably much to low given the really good agent running and pos network available to us). That gives us a "daily economic capacity" for the Providence Bloc of 25 bil isk. Using THE SAME "economic daily capacity" numbers for both U'K and AAA you'd get a U'K capacity of 2 bil isk and a AAA number of 25 bil, given their allies in AAA Citizens etc. Normally however, I would assume the U'K number is slightly lower than the ProviBloc one, while the AAA number is significantly higher (better moon minerals in Catch and 0.0 COSMOS). So, if you ask me, I'd say the numbers would be something like this: U'K - 1.5 bil "Daily capacity" ProviBloc - 25 bil "Daily Capacity" AAA + friends - 40 bil "Daily Capacity" These numbers are my best guess at the relative capactity of each bloc, based on a guess of 5 mil daily capacity of a typical Provi Bloc member. Feel free to multiply each number with any factor you'd like, if you think this 5mil estimate is either to high or to low. As for the Fleet blobbing argument, it could be said that with the total pilot numbers above, this shows a ProviBloc fleet participation of app. 400 out of 5000 which is roughly somewhere between 5-10%. U'K, according to their own figures, had a participation of 100 out of 400, which translates into 25% participation. It can thus hardly be argued that the Provibloc had mustered "all hands" in the assault on GMLH, even if some U'K pilots would argue otherwise. Firstly, I want to point out that your viewpoint on this is very interesting. However, there are some flaws with this mechanic. First of all, The average prov player is much younger than the average -A- player, and also younger than the average UK player. This means that the older you are, the higher chance of you being established in terms of isk. Secondly, Prov players are not "hardcore" players. They do not wake up for ctas in the middle of the night or always make sure they are doing something productive. This translates to the fact that you can't view the economic capacity as a daily figure, but as a sustained figure. What i mean is that there is a limit each player can take in economic hits per campaign or even just a set timeframe. In this regard, Prov is not very good in. The average player, if he loses multiple battleships/capital ships, he will feel the hurt. Prov makes this up by having a large player base to choose from. Entities like -A- can sustain many loses of a large timeframe, due to good logistics, and the reduced chance of dieing due to being more "experienced" Also, the events of 1 day can be completely strain your system of reasoning octavinus (like the day where -A- killed over 300 prov ships to 15 loses due to titan dd in pos) or a day where nothing happens. Economic power/stability must be viewed on a mid to long term basis.
Dan Deoxys	Posted - 2009.02.17 18:13:00 - [459] There were many songs and tales told and gallons of good ale and spirts drunk around our camp fires after this weekends skirmish. To fight alongside so skillful and dedicated pilots as we have in UK is an honour. Il Morte we celebrated not mopped or whined, we rejoiced, we used our strengths and found the enemies weakness. We are freedom fighters, we use tactics that best suit our needs. It would serve no purpose to stand on a gate with 30 ships against 300, but do not forget if asked we would, unlike our near neighbours who have to be ordered to fight. There was a mocking statement that we took no active part, all i can say is that there are many fine "trophies" lined up outside my humble home. Titans or pods it matters not as long as we kill more of the enemy than they kill of us. Can i ask you this, if any of CVA were to catch me going through a gate would you show me mercy ? I rather think not. I have said this before, be careful of what you covet the most, the trappings and trinkets you have in place, you had better hope do not become a jambed airlock and suck you out into space. The good fight goes on my friends, i will seek you out on the field of battle where actions will speak louder then words................
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.19 10:29:00 - [460] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus this shows a ProviBloc fleet participation of app. 400 out of 5000 which is roughly somewhere between 5-10%. U'K, according to their own figures, had a participation of 100 out of 400, which translates into 25% participation. I am grateful for that compliment, coming from my arch enemy it bears high value. recruiting -forum

Maurok Ortega Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.19 16:00:00 - [461] Originally by: Il Morte I no longer know how to respond or what to think. As I read these transmissions I can not help but picture UK pilots sitting at the Bar, drink in hand, moping and whining about how they fought a good a fight but CVA brought sooo many ships. ... I have followed the aftermath of the pos siege here for a while now and I really dont see what you seem to be seeing, there's no one here whining about the numbers brought against us. What we do challange is CVA's claim to achievements and victory. It should have been clear to anyone who has followed these developments that Ushra'Khan never made a serious play for territory. We know that we would not have the necessary force to protect static assets for any longer period of time. The reason for these towers needs not be repeated again. As for us begrudging the numbers brought against us, I don't see a single transmission claiming this. In fact all I see are Ushra'khan warriors celebrating them. We are very happy about the number of people that were employed to bring our towers down. Personally I don't blame anyone for bringing a safe fight if they can, if you have ~100 caps avaliable to bring, good for you. This is not what our warriors are talking about. That CVA themselves accomplished something is what we are challenging, we are saying that they couldn't bring the necessary force to remove us without all their slaves and pets. We are saying that CVA's might only lies in the people who support them. This is also exactly why we are fighting everyone who is friendly to CVA and live in providence and catch, to knock holes in their support structure. This once beaten enough will crumble and bring the whole empire of theirs down. That -A- decided to drop in was nothing that we had prior knowledge about, at least not at the level of our warriors. We knew what was coming however. We were all aware of the massive amounts of ships that CVA and holders could bring yet many of our warriors were eagerly waiting for the fight to begin, impatiently waiting for the right moment to strike, waiting for a mistake to be made that would allow us to nibble at the undoubtedly superior forces amassing at our doorstep. However our leaders would not allow us to throw ourselves blindly at the enemy as this would certainly have ended in utter annihilation but for us to stand back and strike when and where our potential would be utilized the most... and we did. Kill numbers Vs participation can be thrown around for all the good that does. At the end of the day our towers served the exact purpose they were meant for. CVA and holders may claim victory over our towers and we may say that is not a particularly impressive feat, but no one here is whining about the numbers brought against us.
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.19 23:35:00 - [462] Originally by: Maurok Ortega wise words Hmm ... you seem to have potential. Who should I contact in order to have a quote on you, specimen ?. ________________ God is my Wingman
Tweakalvos R0GUE ENTITY	Posted - 2009.02.20 07:58:00 - [463] All I want to put is if CVA think so highly of themselves and are the better people. How come my guys get kills like these? I mean if they are your friends how come they keep failing to do there job and protect the people you so heavenly are sworn to protect? Your only protecting people that don't care about you or your space when the crap hits the fan they will run out on you. As I sit in my pod and think I will be in the front row to watch that area of yours burn. But until that day my corp will keep getting kills like that one below me. http://kb.iskpower.com/rogue/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15955
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.20 17:45:00 - [464] I feel this transmission has come to a natural end, and would be grateful if the administrators of GalNet would close it. Thank you.


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