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CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.12 17:15:00 - [1] CCP is pleased to announce that, effective immediately, all currently subscribed Macintosh users can participate in an open beta of the Premium graphics EVE client on our test server Singularity. This is the culmination of over a year of effort on the part of development teams at both CCP and Transgaming and we are extremely happy to see EVE running in all its splendor on the Mac OS. The recommended technical specifications for players wishing to run this Premium client are: OS: OS X 10.5.6 ò CPU: 2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo ò RAM: 1GB ò HD SPACE:6.0 GB ò NETWORK: 56k modem or better Internet connection ò VIDEO: ATI Radeon X1600 128Mb ò DVD-ROM: 2 speed DVD reader or greater required To install the client, please download the client from this location. We recommend that you rename your already installed/existing EVE Online application to something like ôEVE Online TQö prior to installation, as the process will create a new EVE Online copy in your applications folder and could potentially overwrite an existing installation of EVE Online. The beta Premium graphics client will automatically connect to the test server Singularity. A list of items for which CCP and Transgaming welcomes feedback will be added to this thread. Any problems or issues should be reported to the developer team using a bug report. We also recommend reading the FAQ and info thread for Singularity: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46836 And please do bear in mind that Singularity has different rules regarding player behaviour, information for which can be found here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=253187


CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.12 17:16:00 - [2] Current Known Issues List: 1. Rainbow explosions in battle - Caused by a driver issue and resolved in OSX 10.5.6 2. Rainbow geometry in on stations and ships 3. ATI R500 Hang 4. Small geometry flicker on ships. 5. Full screen flicker just after reappearing through stargate. 6. Black screen on startup - Caused by a driver issue and resolved in OSX 10.5.6 7. "Clicking Sound" after double click 8. Flickering Bloom effect What we would like you to test: 1. Client Performance - Fly missions, go mining, shoot each other in the FFA's in FD-MLJ. Keep an eye on your fps rates and let us know about situations where the framerate drops to unacceptable levels. 2. Graphics Bugs - Flickering textures, wrong textures, broken textures. If you see one, please screenshot it and attach the picture to a bug report. Include a description of what you were doing at the time the error occurred. 3. System Hardware - Please experiment with client settings and let us know in this forum thread of the combination of resolutions and settings that result in best performance for you. We are working on a table that will provide recommended system and game settings for as many Mac hardware variations as possible and all input regarding this is welcome.

Ardoreal	Posted - 2009.01.12 19:47:00 - [3] I can't seem to get the disk image to mount. I keep getting a codec overrun when verifying it. I tried dl'ing with wget as well.
Sazuka Kirr Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.01.12 19:57:00 - [4] Heya, Just downloaded and everything seems to be working fine, but the OS X channel is empty! Shocking, really ... I'm sure there are some other Mac guys testing out the beta ...
Zt3Fan86 Gallente Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:00:00 - [5] I have been able to get the client to work, but I can't say everything run smoothley, I have had 5 crash so far, (everything stops working, and I have to press the power button) I can't say what i do to make it happen, it just happen, when I logon, when i undock, In space and doing nothing, open a windows, It just crash, both in fullscreen and windows mode and shadow on/off OS: OS X 10.5.6 Computer: MacBook Pro 17, 2.16 GHz Core Duo, 2GB Ram, ATI Radeon X1600 256Mb
Latvianxxx Caldari Skyforger Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:01:00 - [6] does dis client only work on sisi??? :o

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Latvianxxx does dis client only work on sisi??? :o Yes, the beta client only works on Singularity.


CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Zt3Fan86 I have been able to get the client to work, but I can't say everything run smoothley, I have had 5 crash so far, (everything stops working, and I have to press the power button) I can't say what i do to make it happen, it just happen, when I logon, when i undock, In space and doing nothing, open a windows, It just crash, both in fullscreen and windows mode and shadow on/off OS: OS X 10.5.6 Computer: MacBook Pro 17, 2.16 GHz Core Duo, 2GB Ram, ATI Radeon X1600 256Mb What client settings are you using to run the game? Have you tried deleting the preferences folder and then trying to run the game?

Latvianxxx Caldari Skyforger Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:06:00 - [9] :( then we have to use this crappy clasic client till march? :(
Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:27:00 - [10] I've also had several lock-ups which required a forced shutdown. The first was undocking, the second was trying to enter warp. I edited info.plist to point to a clean preferences folder. The only preference I modified was to set the video to run at interval one, running in windowed mode, in order to keep my processor temperature at a normal level. I tried HDR but my in-station frame rate went from 17 to 7 FPS so I turned it back off before leaving a station. I'm using an MBP at the minimum recommended stats in this post but with 2GB of memory and plenty of hard disk left. I'll be posting specific graphic artifacts as bugs shortly. Now that I've had a taste of premium graphics I don't want to go back to classic.

Nya0	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:36:00 - [11] Stations work fine, it all looks good. As soon as I leave one though my client crashes and give me the following msg "Exception raised Unhandled page fault on read acces to 0x00000917 at address 0x10064688. Do you wish to debug it ?" I can choose either yes or no, but either ways it crashes the next time i log into the game. It happened more than 15 times in a row.
Zt3Fan86 Gallente Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2009.01.12 20:37:00 - [12] I was able to jump 7 jumps without any crash but now i do get another error, a client crash error, i have tried everything, but keeps crashing, The error i get is, Execption raiised Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x206f6f5c at address 0x780f23fd Do you wish to debug it ? No/Yes
Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.12 21:02:00 - [13] Filed another bug about overview icons and text not rendering correctly. If I'm looking towards the sun they're fine but when looking away they look like they've been hit by a shotgun, lots of random transparent pixels. Session changes in space might be the trigger for the freezes. The Beta doesn't like it when I go into warp very much. But, my Orca looks mighty fine in premium. If only they were 100 ISK on Tranquility too. Do all ships bob around like they're on water in stations or is it because I'm in a Minmatar outpost?
Ardoreal	Posted - 2009.01.12 22:26:00 - [14] My system is a 24" with a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo and the ATI 2600HD GPU. I'm running w/4GB of RAM. I can run it at 1920x1200 but with no bloom. I can turn HDR on and get around 30 fps. Shadows at the highest quality. When I wanted to see the bloom though I had to step the resolution down to the 1380x840, it performed ok but that resolution just looks horrible. Everything else seems to work, oh and I'm on 10.5.6 On the Windows 7 beta I can turn everything up to max and get a smooth framerate though. shrugs Honestly with the stability issues I see others having, I'm glad it's not TQ compatible.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 06:59:00 - [15] Downloading it now. Before I get home from the office (to a waiting premium client beta!) will it work on tiger? Stop whining.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.01.13 09:02:00 - [16] i dont bother - just a macbooc (2.4ghz, but unsupported) just tiger and not the fancy leopard the classic client works here - for a while (memory leak?) then it locks up entire machine it does not matter if i do anything or not, perhaps it locks up faster if i do something but also with just beeing docked a while - it will eventually lock up. you can go and test your premium on those hi end boxes, while i continue to use bootcamp and run a native client (cedega still sucks, it is just an emulation, not native code) on windows xp - on the same box that ironically would not be supported under its own OS that it was built for by apple computer inc.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 09:23:00 - [17] Originally by: zoolkhan i dont bother - just a macbooc (2.4ghz, but unsupported) just tiger and not the fancy leopard the classic client works here - for a while (memory leak?) then it locks up entire machine it does not matter if i do anything or not, perhaps it locks up faster if i do something but also with just beeing docked a while - it will eventually lock up. you can go and test your premium on those hi end boxes, while i continue to use bootcamp and run a native client (cedega still sucks, it is just an emulation, not native code) on windows xp - on the same box that ironically would not be supported under its own OS that it was built for by apple computer inc. Well this one should perform BETTER than the current classic. I'll try in on my macbook air to see if there any hope of proper performance on older macbooks. It's not native I know, but it's the best we are getting. The memory leak is a known issue. We all get it. Tabbing out and it will make it go crazy even faster.
Iga Angel Gallente Skyforger Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.01.13 10:17:00 - [18] Edited by: Iga Angel on 13/01/2009 10:19:50 this beta is ****ing FAIL :( premium even works better on crossover! i got macbook pro 2.33ghz 2 gb memory ati x1600 leo 10.5.6 and i cant get more than 15 fps. so it is unplayable on my machine im werry disapointed :(

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.13 10:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Iga Angel Edited by: Iga Angel on 13/01/2009 10:19:50 this beta is ****ing FAIL :( premium even works better on crossover! i got macbook pro 2.33ghz 2 gb memory ati x1600 leo 10.5.6 and i cant get more than 15 fps. so it is unplayable on my machine im werry disapointed :( What resolution are you running the game in? What are your game settings? Have you tried adjusting game settings? In which situations are you getting 15fps or is that a constant fps rate regardless of game situation?


CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.13 10:46:00 - [20] Originally by: zoolkhan i dont bother - just a macbooc (2.4ghz, but unsupported) just tiger and not the fancy leopard. OSX 10.5.6 includes numerous improvements to the operating system and the device drivers that are integral to the smooth running of Premium. That is why we recommend using that version of the OS. EVE Premium will run under Tiger but without the aforementioned fixes you should not expect performance on par with a machine running the latest version. By "unsupported" do you mean that you are running an Intel GMA950 graphics chipset? If so then I would not expect Premium to run well at all. The classic client would run but under OSX it's shared memory is limited (if running Windows I believe the chipset can get more memory assigned to it, which does help running EVE). There are also the issues that the GMA950 chipset has no hardware geometry processing and that the chipset is not shader model 3.0 compatible. The Trinity 2 engine which runs Premium graphics was designed for shader model 3.0 compatible graphics chipsets. If the graphics card in your Mac does not meet the minimum hardware requirements we cannot guarantee that Premium will run. And in fact we have not officially supported running EVE on a GMA950 chipset even with the Classic client.



CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.13 10:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Well this one should perform BETTER than the current classic. I'll try in on my macbook air to see if there any hope of proper performance on older macbooks. The Macbook Air is equipped with an Intel X3100 chipset which is more capable than the older GMA950. For one thing it supports hardware transform and lighting, is faster than the GMA950 and on the Macbook Air it has 144Mb of shared memory under OSX as opposed to the GMA950's 64Mb. Most importantly the X3100 chipset supports DirectX 9.0 and shader model 3.0 features. It is simply better able to handle high-end graphics and I would be very interested to hear how the Macbook Air handles the client.

Iga Angel Gallente Skyforger Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:09:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Whisper Originally by: Iga Angel Edited by: Iga Angel on 13/01/2009 10:19:50 this beta is ****ing FAIL :( premium even works better on crossover! i got macbook pro 2.33ghz 2 gb memory ati x1600 leo 10.5.6 and i cant get more than 15 fps. so it is unplayable on my machine im werry disapointed :( What resolution are you running the game in? What are your game settings? Have you tried adjusting game settings? In which situations are you getting 15fps or is that a constant fps rate regardless of game situation? without shadows i get about 25 fps in space now but not more with all options off i run it in windowed mode 1440 x .... resolution ah and one more thing first 3 times when i tried run this premium my mac hanged entirely even mouse stoped moving now this isue stoped :D
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:15:00 - [23] Edited by: Qordel on 13/01/2009 11:17:09 Originally by: Iga Angel Edited by: Iga Angel on 13/01/2009 10:19:50 this beta is ***ing FAIL :( premium even works better on crossover! i got macbook pro 2.33ghz 2 gb memory ati x1600 leo 10.5.6 and i cant get more than 15 fps. so it is unplayable on my machine im werry disapointed :( This type of response is the reason a lot of developers cringe at the idea of sharing their work with the community until it is absolutely perfect. And, because they then don't have the community actively testing a client, they can't detect as many problems and it therefore takes much longer for them to roll it out and* once it is, it's much lower quality.
saskia	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:08:00 - [24] Come on guy's Mac users are all to often forgotten about by developers I am sure CCP have put alot of time and effort into this client. It is a beta and as such will not be perfect and comparing it to the final release is just stupid. If you are going to post somthing try and make it usefull informaion, if you still feel the need to throw your toys out of the pram the go and do it elsewhere.
WisdomLikeSilence The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:09:00 - [25] Woohoo! DL'ing the beta now. Regardless of its quality, its great to see this realized at last. Huzzah for the CCP and transgaming fellas!
alpheon Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Iga Angel Edited by: Iga Angel on 13/01/2009 10:19:50 this beta is ****ing FAIL :( premium even works better on crossover! i got macbook pro 2.33ghz 2 gb memory ati x1600 leo 10.5.6 and i cant get more than 15 fps. so it is unplayable on my machine im werry disapointed :( Please try to post something with value when reporting problems. Complaining about frame rate isn't a problem, its a factor of your hardware. Thank you CCP for putting the time in for a Premium OSX client. I'll be trying this out over my lunch break.
Awox Minmatar Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:14:00 - [27] This only just came out? CCP :/
Reyn Atriedes	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:30:00 - [28] So I've installed it and got it to run once, and then decided to adjust the graphics settings. I have an NVIDIA 8600M GT, with a 2.4GHz dual core processor, and 2 GB of ram. When I started it up the first time it ran fine, but when I start up the Premium client now, all that I get is a black screen and the cursor where the splash screen is, and nothing happens. I actually end up having to force restart my system, because when I'm in the black screen, the my system stops responding. Once all this happened, I uninstalled and then reinstalled and now I'm getting the same results as if I didn't even uninstall and reinstall (hopefully defaulting the settings). Has anybody else had this problem, and if so, how do I fix it?
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:50:00 - [29] Remember that this is a BETA client people. It's not the official clientùso don't judge that future client by the state of this one. If you're playing EVE with this client, it should be for the purpose of routing out the bugsùnot playing EVE on Mac with Premium. Back to the issue at hand: I'll also download the client and see how it works. I'm not much of a bug hunter, but anything I can do to help you guys along.
Pivalak Ultriach Criesther Evirementari	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:53:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Whisper CCP is pleased to announce that, effective immediately, all currently subscribed Macintosh users can participate in an open beta of the Premium graphics EVE client on our test server Singularity. What about the beta of the Premium client for Linux? Not only the official Premium client for both Mac and Linux was scheduled for Q1 2008, but by the summer it was promised that an open beta of the new client was almost ready for Linux too, yet no news about it. No answers about the official Premium client (or any other subject) are answered on the Linux section of the forums, by a dev, since a long time ago, though it seems there is active development going on for Mac. So, I keep asking... what shall we -Linux users- expect? Has CCP decided to keep supporting Mac but to discontinue supporting Linux? Please, give us some clue on what is going on.

Daan Sai Polytrope	Posted - 2009.01.13 14:00:00 - [31] Awesome news!!!! Downloading now, will test etc soon. Well done. Daan
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 14:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Pivalak What about the beta of the Premium client for Linux? Soon. Sorry, couldn't help it Stop whining.
Ardoreal	Posted - 2009.01.13 14:33:00 - [33] I am actually quite pleased with its performance. Other than the bloom it runs pretty well for emulation. I'm still hoping CCP branches out into OpenGL though, but as far as the reward for devoting that much resource to a native client I understand their reasons for not doing it. They would spend a colossal amount of man hours making it, for only like a %10 gain in performance. We just have to grow our userbase to where it's %40 of the Eve players. Then we can quantitatively demand it, and expect they'd listen. In our whole alliance, there's me and one other guy who uses Mac. By the way, to stay on topic, I seriously haven't run into anything yet. I haven't been able to get into any real combat though. I tried firing at an empire station to get aggro'd, since I know real well what my ship blowing up looks like, and yep - looked about right :P
Awox Minmatar Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Ardoreal We just have to grow our userbase to where it's %40 of the Eve players. Then we can quantitatively demand it, and expect they'd listen. When there is Crossover, VMWare Fusion and just generally the fact that it's CCP.. they will always have an excuse not to make a proper job of this. "Don't get ya hopes up kid"
Remus Navillum z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:01:00 - [35] Edited by: Remus Navillum on 13/01/2009 15:13:02 Seems to run pretty smoothly for me. In-station fps has dropped somewhat compared to classic, but in-space fps is equal, if not superior. Only problems I've encountered so far in about 90 minutes of play: 1) That neat cloaking effect that we see in the windows version doesn't happen. The ship just kind of... turns invisible, then turns visible again. 2) At one point while in space, my ship suddenly turned completely black. This appeared to be a shader issue rather than a texture issue. It only happened once, and that was while I was getting shot at by some rats. Moving the camera to seemingly specific angles fixed this. It stopped when I moved the ship. 3) At some point, the client's sound cut out entirely, and never came back. 4) When I restarted the client to see if these issues would persist, it hung at a black screen on startup, forcing me to reboot. This hasn't happened again so far. [EDIT] Okaaaaaay... now it hangs on startup every time I try to start it. I'll try reinstalling to see if that helps... Also, I don't know if this is just a matter of me not setting my fan speed high enough, but the CPU load caused by premium seems monstrous compared to classic. With classic I can alt-tab and smoothly run other applications (firefox, ichat, itunes, etc), but with premium, everything outside eve is slowed to a somewhat unmanageable chug. System: Macbook Pro 2.4ghz core 2 duo running 10.5.6 2GB RAM, GeForce 8600M GT (256MB)
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:13:00 - [36] Looking at the crash report, the stack trace shows all symbols unmapped. Is this expected? Is there something I can do to correct that for crash dumps? I'm not really familiar with non linux/unix core dumps, so I'm not sure if that's normal. I would think not, if we're using debug builds of the various libraries...? Anyway, I just wanted to know if I should be submitting these in a bug report or if it is useless if it isn't mapped in the stack trace (though perhaps the *.dmp is more informative despite the crash report text). Please let me know. It looked beautiful and ran at a decent frame rate. With other apps running in the background and at 2560x1600 with an 8800 and shadows/hdr/bloom on and turned to "high", I was still getting 45-65 fps. Outside of the station, It was about 25-45. Unfortunately, after jumping through a gate and starting to decloak, the client crashed. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?
Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:47:00 - [37] Edited by: Rees Noturana on 13/01/2009 15:49:57 Originally by: Reyn Atriedes I uninstalled and then reinstalled and now I'm getting the same results as if I didn't even uninstall and reinstall (hopefully defaulting the settings). Nothing in the application itself should be changing. You shouldn't have to reinstall unless you've modified the application bundle itself. To fully reset any settings just trash the preferences. Just remove the folder at: [your home directory]/Library/Preferences/EVE Online Preferences -- if you haven't modified which preferences folder to use! I would think sharing the preferences between your normal client and the Beta would be a VERY bad thing. The instructions in the stickies for this forum has instructions for installing multiple clients.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:20:00 - [38] iMac 20" 2.16GHz C2D, 2Gt Ram, Radeon X1600 256mt, OSX 10.4.11 Doesn't work. It get's stick in entering station (the one where there is that small window and all black, I guess this is the black screen thing. So no Premium for my iMac. 1st gen Macbook Air running Leopard First start: login window was normal, but after entering the game everything except the GUI was white. All white. If I rotated the "white interior" I could see a light source affecting the GUI. I undocked and same thing in space. So I docked and rebooted. Second start: Ok, I'm seeing premium. Default values give me a steady 3.6 fps inside the station and 2-6fps in space (unplaybe and jiggy) Ok, custom settings: 1024x768, no shadows, extreme cache 512mb. getting around 8-10fps in space. The fps is a very stable though. I was at a gate looking at it, empty space and generally going all boners with the camera and the fps won't budge. It stays at approx 8fps. Looks nice (no problems), but performance is poor even compared to classic. Also the client feels much slower doing loggins, quits and everything else other than playing. Just feels...sluggish. Classic feels faster. Stop whining.
WisdomLikeSilence The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:42:00 - [39] Edited by: WisdomLikeSilence on 13/01/2009 16:44:03 3.06 Ghz 26" Imac with 8800 gt and 4 gigs ram: Runs very, very well. 121 FPS in station. 80 FPs outside. and thats with photoshop, illustrator, indesign, realplayer, acrobat professional, vlc, safari, firefox entourage, azureus, printmonitor and textedit all open at the same time (yes i was testing in work ) Only fault I can find so far is the bizzaro world you enter when warping. Very weird graphics reminiscent of the sega arcade smash hit: Space Harrier. Hey, why change it? Running client at full screen 1920x1200 with shadows set to normal
Sazuka Kirr Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:55:00 - [40] Edited by: Sazuka Kirr on 13/01/2009 16:55:00 Originally by: Remus Navillum 2) At one point while in space, my ship suddenly turned completely black. This appeared to be a shader issue rather than a texture issue. It only happened once, and that was while I was getting shot at by some rats. Moving the camera to seemingly specific angles fixed this. It stopped when I moved the ship. Like this: http://aa-gfx.net/Picture%2022.png That screenshot is taken with BLOOM ON. When Bloom is turned off, only certain textures on the ships turn black. After a few minutes, my ship experienced the same issue and I had to restart to rectify. New 15" MacBook Pro 2.53GHz nVidia 9600M GT 512MB 4GB RAM 1440x900 Fullscreen

Jael Mallow Minmatar Yuulai-Ben	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:06:00 - [41] Here I was thinking: Sweet! FINALLY! And in some ways I admit that it runs smooth at the login screen... but there is a problem that makes my participation in the beta a bit hard - Singularity thinks my account is suspended. sigh Got to wait for the next mirroring it seems. :( Blargh Honk Honk!

CCP Tenitigo	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Jael Mallow Here I was thinking: Sweet! FINALLY! And in some ways I admit that it runs smooth at the login screen... but there is a problem that makes my participation in the beta a bit hard - Singularity thinks my account is suspended. sigh Got to wait for the next mirroring it seems. :( Hi there, I went ahead and reactivated your account on Singularity so you can test the Mac beta client. In the future, post Singularity account reactivation requests to this thread in the Game Development forum :)

nachteule	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Sazuka Kirr Like this: http://aa-gfx.net/Picture%2022.png That screenshot is taken with BLOOM ON. When Bloom is turned off, only certain textures on the ships turn black. After a few minutes, my ship experienced the same issue and I had to restart to rectify. New 15" MacBook Pro 2.53GHz nVidia 9600M GT 512MB 4GB RAM 1440x900 Fullscreen that might be a heating issue...? i have the same system... i guess i won't have to test then ;]
Jael Mallow Minmatar Yuulai-Ben	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:14:00 - [44] Originally by: CCP Tenitigo Originally by: Jael Mallow Here I was thinking: Sweet! FINALLY! And in some ways I admit that it runs smooth at the login screen... but there is a problem that makes my participation in the beta a bit hard - Singularity thinks my account is suspended. sigh Got to wait for the next mirroring it seems. :( Hi there, I went ahead and reactivated your account on Singularity so you can test the Mac beta client. In the future, post Singularity account reactivation requests to this thread in the Game Development forum :) Oh! Wasn't even aware of that! Thank you! :) Blargh Honk Honk!

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:51:00 - [45] For those of you wondering about the continuation of the Classic graphics client, Zulupark just published a new devblog which outlines the strategy we will be following in the future. What this means for all players, Mac users included, is that you will have more options to fine-tune the performance of EVE and get the most out of your machine. We will be working closely with Transgaming in the next couple of weeks to make sure this Premium Lite client works.

Spindeln Duty.	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:59:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Whisper ... DVD-ROM: 2 speed DVD reader or greater required To install the client, please download the client from... This intrigues me greatly
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:26:00 - [47] Edited by: Maria Kalista on 13/01/2009 19:27:21 Edited by: Maria Kalista on 13/01/2009 19:26:33 Ok, short test run, no fighting, missioning etc on my: MacPro 1st gen with currently a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT (I will try tomorrow to pop in the 8800, maybe that makes a difference) Mac OS 10.5.6. Not too bad bad but I get more FPS within classic then with this premium client. It drops down to 6 FPS if I'm outside a station and fully zoomed in. Max. in station is a poor 15.8 FPS. Outside it differs from mentioned 6 FPS upto 32.4. - No crashes, warped through 6 orso gates, finaly they look not like made out of wood - Made a bunch of screengrabs will try to add them to a bug report. - Some planets show a negative stratosphere, don't think thats intended. - Biggest problem thus far: if i launch this premium client, I need to log out/ reboot to get the 'old' classic clint running. Overal, for a beta, what I saw, not bad CCP , not bad. (note to self to install a temp. measure app tomorrow, not soon) Edits: several spellingk erorz
Lebastor Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:47:00 - [48] Happy and suprised to say that the Beta seemed to work quite fine on my 2008 Macbook! About the same framerate and small graph glitches (missiles still fire chaff sometimes) too, some how it felt a bit sticky thou. Like a fraction of a second delays to commands or something, but otherwise quite fine. The machine did heat up a bit more than on the current client, but not too much IMO in a short test. Can't see thou what ppl are fussing about... Waiting for the final to come out, so I can set all glossy settings to lows anyway.
placeeboo	Posted - 2009.01.13 21:10:00 - [49] I ¦ve been able to get the client to work too, great appearance!!! .. everythings works well ... no craches.. did some missions and was jumping around.. looked good to me.. ...lookin¦ forward to have it up ¦n running...
farfrael Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2009.01.13 21:28:00 - [50] Edited by: farfrael on 13/01/2009 21:28:44 apologies to the MAC users but need an answer from CCP: HOW ABOUT LINUX? you know the OTHER "supported" OS

olo VonBorg	Posted - 2009.01.13 21:59:00 - [51] most of the previously named bugs still happen in my classic client (freeze forcing cold reset/ cidercrash to DT with app still running, unknown exceptions and the lot . Since the game does run stabile on some days and crashed 10 times within 5 hours on other days I am not sure how much of those probs are client/eve related and not linked to cider or server-communication. I would highly appreciate an email inbox for filing those bugreports available after a crash instead of posting them, but thats simply a convenience matter. Cheers and happy (and few) debugging :) oLO
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:13:00 - [52] Edited by: Soleramnus on 13/01/2009 22:16:11 Edited by: Soleramnus on 13/01/2009 22:14:55 Model Name:MacBook Pro 15" Processor Name:Intel Core Duo Processor Speed:2.16 GHz Chipset Model:ATY,RadeonX1600 Encountered various graphical anomalies, which are linked here. First was the turning of engine glows into flat black textures, usually in warp. It may be ship-specific and I hear Whisper is already aware of it. Linkage 1 Linkage 2 Second was odd and quite trippyùwhat looks like purple texture masks appear mid flight. They are usually from the closest celestial object (it seems)ùi.e. an NPC ship, a stargate, a station, or the player's own ship. Shifting the camera will make them appear or disappear. This usually only occurs in space, and quite frequentlyùmore rarely it'll happen in station (only Caldari, out of the few I docked at). The Purple Masks seemed to occur regardless of ship type, though the screenshots only show when I was in a shuttle. Linkage 1 Linkage 2 Linkage 3 Linkage 4 Linkage 5 I had shadows on normal, HDR (and thus Bloom) off. On the good side of things, I experienced no performance issues. No intense mission running or other activity, but through warping and docking the graphics were silky smooth. Another pilot with my same make and model however had his FPS bouncing from smooth to intolerableùso I'll count myself lucky on that one.
Vint Rotach	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:18:00 - [53] MacBook 2008 15" C2D 2.4Ghz 2GB 1067 DDR3 nvidia 9400M 256MB 1200x800 All eve options 'on'. ---- Frame rate in space pretty good. 30-40. Dropped badly a couple of times, but couldnt get it to reproduce. Some graphic artifacts at gates, like a glow effect that doesnt look right. Screen shotted and reported. Runs VERY hot, fans spinning up to full speed now. Black screen on undock and then crash to desktop, emergency warped away, warped back to the undock point in the test combat system, maybe 15ships in view, froze, crash. Restarted client, no sound. Zoomed right out as it warped back to the undock point again, didnt crash this time. After few moments sitting at station watch the world go by frame rate dropped to only 6/7fps. Restarting now.
Ruben Dallas	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:22:00 - [54] Just tried it for a sec, to see how it looked. Everything seemed to be running fine. Didn't change the initial setup or fiddle with the extended graphic sttings though. Did one mining run and a warp: no problems either. So far: nice work guys, cant wait to play it out of singularity! Cheers, RD Mac OS X 10.5.6 CPU 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo Ram 4 GB Video: ATI Radeon HD 2400
nachteule	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:24:00 - [55] i have a question for the dev team... when snow leopard hits, will you guys refrain from emulating and move alongside OpenGL? i'm pretty sure the end result would be far greater than what is going on now...
Aratadu	Posted - 2009.01.14 00:21:00 - [56] is the GeForce 8600M GT supported?
Daan Sai Polytrope	Posted - 2009.01.14 00:34:00 - [57] OK, running on: iMac 2.66GHz 2GB RAM ATI radeon 2600 grahics card So far runs beautifully. 50-60 fps on average while commuting to my mission agent. Just got an Angel mission, will see how it goes with more complex scenes. Temp running fine at 56 C (where 80+ is too hot) Well done so far.
Jael Mallow Minmatar Yuulai-Ben	Posted - 2009.01.14 00:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Aratadu is the GeForce 8600M GT supported? Since it runs okay for me on my 8600M GT I'd say yes. :)
Reyn Atriedes	Posted - 2009.01.14 02:34:00 - [59] Originally by: Remus Navillum Edited by: Remus Navillum on 13/01/2009 15:13:02 Seems to run pretty smoothly for me. In-station fps has dropped somewhat compared to classic, but in-space fps is equal, if not superior. Only problems I've encountered so far in about 90 minutes of play: 1) That neat cloaking effect that we see in the windows version doesn't happen. The ship just kind of... turns invisible, then turns visible again. 2) At one point while in space, my ship suddenly turned completely black. This appeared to be a shader issue rather than a texture issue. It only happened once, and that was while I was getting shot at by some rats. Moving the camera to seemingly specific angles fixed this. It stopped when I moved the ship. 3) At some point, the client's sound cut out entirely, and never came back. 4) When I restarted the client to see if these issues would persist, it hung at a black screen on startup, forcing me to reboot. This hasn't happened again so far. [EDIT] Okaaaaaay... now it hangs on startup every time I try to start it. I'll try reinstalling to see if that helps... Also, I don't know if this is just a matter of me not setting my fan speed high enough, but the CPU load caused by premium seems monstrous compared to classic. With classic I can alt-tab and smoothly run other applications (firefox, ichat, itunes, etc), but with premium, everything outside eve is slowed to a somewhat unmanageable chug. System: Macbook Pro 2.4ghz core 2 duo running 10.5.6 2GB RAM, GeForce 8600M GT (256MB) Remus, did you end up fixing the problem? I'm having the same problem and have the exact same rig as you.
Daan Sai Polytrope	Posted - 2009.01.14 03:41:00 - [60] I ran 'Unauthorized Military Presence' with Angle rats (lvl4 mission) using drones and my great looking navy mega. With a dozen or so roids, and another dozen or so structures plus 30 or so rats shooting it all ran very smoothly. The lowest framerate was 17-20 fps and usually 24 or more. When the room cleared it went up to 40 fps or more. Very playable, I'd be happy to swap over. All the textures look great and the correct kinetic and explosive missile effects worked fine. Temps were fine, never got above 55-60 C and the cooling fan never went into overdrive. It works really well on the new iMacs it appears. The mission briefing maps and fitting windows etc all seem to display perfectly as well, much better than the initial release of the mac classic client actually. Can't wait for it to be fully released. Go for it CCP/transgames! Daan BTW my graphics card is an ATI Radeon HD2600 Pro 256MB

Caldose	Posted - 2009.01.14 04:04:00 - [61] Using the new 2.0ghz MacBook with the "NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory" and "2GB (two 1GB SO-DIMMs) of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM (PC3-8500)," I was getting about anywhere from 6-35fps and experiencing the same types of graphics problems the others were getting...Black ship, rainbow explosions, texture and model drawing problems. In my experience, the performance cuts seemed to only occur when the camera was facing an object which was being improperly rendered. Both classic mission decoration objects (asteroids, drone complexes, faction ruins, etc.) and new premium remakes of stations and stargates were affected by render errors. Render errors causing drops in fps included flaps of infinitely thin texture stretched between branches of a model (the antennae, wings, or connecting structures of caldari objects) or improperly wrapped textures onto models. The performance difference between running this beta Premium client in OS X and running the Premium client in XP on this same machine lead me to believe that the rendering errors are where a majority of the performance gets sucked into. A good amount of tweaking and I'm sure we can start to see comparable rates between native in XP and 'emulated' in OS X on the faster Apple machines.
Kry' Terra	Posted - 2009.01.14 04:55:00 - [62] So far, it's working pretty well. I'm not having any real trouble with rainbow explosions or anything. BUT... I've been in FD-MLJ and had a bit of trouble there. For example, occasionally when i try warping to one of the PVP beacon things there, a message asking if i wanted to debug error 0x00000 (or something, i forgot the exact message). Then, when I logged back on, it gave me the same message while trying to warp back from the dead space. This usually happens once or twice, but after a few attempts my ship can then successfully warp back to the beacon and the client runs smoothly for a while. Overall, it's pretty good. I expected there to be more bugs than this to be honest cuz its just a beta, but I was pleasantly surprised.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.14 06:19:00 - [63] Didn't get an answer to this - since the debug data seems to be a windows memory dump rather than a normal linux/unix/osx core dump (as far as I can tell), should the stack trace have unmapped symbols? Can you still make use of that *.dmp and should I send it in? I wouldn't expect a problem with unmapped symbols on a debug version where the stack trace is generated from the core file on the same specific system the crash occurred on and the dump was generated on...? I want to contribute bug reports for these crashes, but I don't want to flood you guys with incomplete data if the dumps are useless. -- What's your EVE New Year's Resolution for 2009?

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.14 07:54:00 - [64] Originally by: Qordel Didn't get an answer to this - since the debug data seems to be a windows memory dump rather than a normal linux/unix/osx core dump (as far as I can tell), should the stack trace have unmapped symbols? Can you still make use of that *.dmp and should I send it in? If you have .dmp files please attach them. Even if part of the data is garbled, it is better than no crash data at all and I am sure one of our boffins can make use of it.

Real Poison Minmatar Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.01.14 07:59:00 - [65] looks fine so far on my MBP /w 8600 GT and 4 gig RAM. first undock took a while (i guess because of the cache being built). some quirks from known issues happened so far. the jaguars textures looked a bit pale to me. and the fact i had to do 2 hard resets after playing with graphics settings i ended up having full blackscreens and no way to get back to the OS. is there a way to force the client to windowed mode on start? didn't knew the scythe has a completely revamped model on premium. now my scimitar is a joy to look at compared to the urge to throw up when looking at it in classic ;P
Apple Boy Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.14 08:07:00 - [66] system specs: 2nd gen macbook pro (it's 25 months old) OS X 10.5.6 2.33ghz core 2 duo 2GB RAM ATI Radeon X1600 256MB zalman laptop cooling stand res: 1680x1050 settings: interval immediate 24 bit color with 8-bit alpha 32 bit z-buffer with 8 bit stencil 256MB cache classic: min/avg/max % cpu usage of cider process: 50/80/93 system temp range: 84-90C average FPS while out in space (not fleet fight lag sort of thing): 23 average FPS in a station: 24 - there is a memory leak when doing cmd+tab in fullscreen mode or using cmd+return to switch between windowed and fullscreen premium: min/avg/max % cpu usage of cider process: 33/55/80 system temp range: 78-81C average FPS while out in space (not fleet fight lag sort of thing): 17 average FPS in a station: - there is still a memory leak when doing cmd+tab in fullscreen mode or using cmd+return to switch between windowed and fullscreen - really weird graphic anomalies (will get screenshots) - managed to hard lock system with it only repeating the warp sound over and over every attempt since that hard lock to get the client going results in a hard lock after selecting a character and before being able to get into the game so I'm not able to provide any more info about it at this time. The only thing I was able to do during the hard lock was press the caps lock and num lock keys. This was in windowed mode and I couldn't tab away or see the mouse
Kewagi Guiscard	Posted - 2009.01.14 08:32:00 - [67] just tried it on a current-generation iMac (2.4Ghz C2D, 3GB RAM, ATI Radeon 2600HD, 10.5.6) for a bit over an hour - not a single crash, FPS was around 45 for regular stuff and ~22 in a pretty large fleet combat with a few hundred drones - dropped to ~17 when my ship started burning, though. found a few minor graphics bugs in the map. all in all, a good start!
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.14 10:09:00 - [68] Edited by: Opertone on 14/01/2009 10:09:42 hmm, do you want to know how bad it looks? - very I can use a boot camp Vista x86 to run EVE premium, even then my MBP 17 2006 overheats. Under MAC OS the new premium client doesn't look as smooth, sound is slow, colors do no show right. As mentioned before image, side panel and labels have problems, they look like white snow. I have random diagonal stripes and tearing across the screen, they come and go, it looks annoying. I don't think that MBPs are suited for Windows Video games. I've tried so many, they all do not work. It is easier to use Vista in dual boot mode. There are far too many issues with MAC os client, I play on my PC and if I need to travel I use Vista partition on my Mac Book Pro 17'' which meets the minimum requirements (late 2006).

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.14 10:33:00 - [69] Originally by: Opertone As mentioned before image, side panel and labels have problems, they look like white snow. I have random diagonal stripes and tearing across the screen, they come and go, it looks annoying. Which version of the Mac OS are you running? Are you running any other applications in the background? What resolution are you running the client at and what are your client settings?

Shin Chogan Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.14 11:24:00 - [70] System Specs : 2.2Ghz Macbook Pro 8600M GT 128MB VRAM 4GB RAM 10.5.6 Strange sever fps drops both in station and in space. Picture 1 Average FPS appears to be about 30 in station and about 25 in emptyish space - much the same as I'm getting with the current client though this premium client seems to have more sever fps dips and spikes than the classic client. To put this in perspective booting the same machine into Windows XP gets me about 35-40 fps with the same settings when undocking from Jita 4-4 with 700 people in local. So much for the performance improvement :( Every time I fire my guns the textures for all ships and the local station get turned off and all I am left with is a black shadow, sometimes the station interior is also mucked up but I've not got a picture of that, and I have to restart to get them back. Picture 2

Reyn Atriedes	Posted - 2009.01.14 13:43:00 - [71] So I tried to use the Premium client. My system specs are these: OSX Leopard 10.5.6 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM NVIDIA 8600M GT I assume I can run the client well, because premium runs fine when I use bootcamp. Back to the matter at hand though; I changed the name of the current Mac client I had installed to EVE Online TQ (as suggested), installed the Premium client, and was able to start it once. While logged on, I decided that I wanted to turn up the graphics a bit, and so I did. Upon doing so, I was prompted to restart the game to put the changes into effect, and so I did. Upon restarting though, I didn't receive the splash screen. Instead I received the cursor and a black screen. I tried to command-tab, and command-option-esc, but that didn't work either. I was forced to force shutdown my computer (aka, pressing the power button). I thought, weird, let me try again and see what happens. I did, and the same exact thing happened. I received the black screen of death. Upon experiencing this again, I thought that I may have messed something up when changing the graphics, so I uninstalled and then reinstalled the client thinking my problems would be fixed. Oddly enough though, they weren't. I continue to get the black screen of death every time I start up the premium client, and am now at an impasse. How do I get the client working again? All that I did was change a graphics option; I didn't think I would royally mess up the client in such a way. Has anybody else had this problem? If so, what did you do to fix it? Even if you haven't had it, any idea on how to fix it? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Reyn
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.01.14 13:50:00 - [72] Originally by: Reyn Atriedes trouble Try deleting your eve cache folder, and if that doesn't help, try removing your entire EVE preference folder and let the client build a new one.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 13:52:00 - [73] Does anyone else have a Macbook Air? Just so that we could check if the performance is the same, or is just my rig that's working poorly. I did see a topic about someone using a Macbook with X3100 and he had better performance (although it's a different cpu though, but still).
Rixx Javix	Posted - 2009.01.14 15:23:00 - [74] This is awesome news and many, many thanks to CCP for supporting us Mac users! Downloading now and will be sure to report on any issues.
Aratadu	Posted - 2009.01.14 15:53:00 - [75] on a quick scan of posts, is it laptop vs. desktop processors? b/c the current mac client looks beautiful and runs smooth on 1st gen intel iMac, much less so on my core 2 duo macbook pro with faster processor and more ram and newest leopard build...just a thought -
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Aratadu on a quick scan of posts, is it laptop vs. desktop processors? b/c the current mac client looks beautiful and runs smooth on 1st gen intel iMac, much less so on my core 2 duo macbook pro with faster processor and more ram and newest leopard build...just a thought - Do you mean the premium client? I still can't use premium on my 2nd Gen iMac (C2D). It just get's stuck on "entering station" and i can hear the music and all. Classic side of the premium client seems work nicely and actually feels...snappier. Not sure if there have been any changes in it (or is it just the lack of player amounts doing it).
Hagis McBree Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:48:00 - [77] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Edited by: Dr Sheepbringer on 13/01/2009 16:29:05 iMac 20" 2.16GHz C2D, 2Gt Ram, Radeon X1600 256mt, OSX 10.4.11 Doesn't work. It get's stick in entering station (the one where there is that small window and all black, I guess this is the black screen thing. So no Premium for my iMac. <snip> OSX 10.4.11... this is your issue.. Apple has updated the drivers only in 10.5 not 10.4, upgrade already.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 16:56:00 - [78] Originally by: Hagis McBree OSX 10.4.11... this is your issue.. Apple has updated the drivers only in 10.5 not 10.4, upgrade already. What a brilliant idea. So I go out and buy leopard, then wait a while and go out and buy snow leopard! Marvellous! Also I have no need to upgrade other than CCP's code because I have leopard on my laptop and it's not really bringing any "new" value to my imac if I do so. Will premium lite (when it's released) support Tiger at all? As the HW is getting the axe... It's a rather radical move from CCP to axe both HW and OS (perhaps).
Gabriel Burrn Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:01:00 - [79] I'm using a new MBP with the 9600M GT and getting 30-60 fps depending on environment, with bloom on. The only thing that I noticed so far is that in some effects (mostly shields), textures are replaced with random text, so it looks like text is floating around a station or ship. I think this bug has been mentioned before this beta, but it seems to be persisting. Otherwise, nice job guys!
Jael Mallow Minmatar Yuulai-Ben	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:14:00 - [80] Edited by: Jael Mallow on 14/01/2009 17:17:48 Edited by: Jael Mallow on 14/01/2009 17:17:17 I am pleased to see that this beta is pretty smooth, considering what I could have been. Either way, I have my first crash that spawns a message relating to something called 0x17767a38. I could screen shoot the sucker if needed though. EDIT: Another one, to qoute the window: "Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000008 at address 0x7874e3fd." I am running a MacBook Pro 4.1 (aka mid 2008) with OSX 10.5.6. 2.5 GHz CD2 4 GB RAM GeForce 8600M GT 512MB @ 1920x1200 Blargh Honk Honk!

arbiter reformed Minmatar Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:21:00 - [81] i think its rediculous that a third party program runs your client better than you can, sort it out lads its a great game but we do pay at least some of your wages you owe us a smooth client tbh,
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:54:00 - [82] Ok, I spent a litte more time on SiSi now. Tried to fiddle with basically everything you can fiddle and the performance on a 1st gen Air is on default stuck at 8fps. While fiddling and playing around with shadows (high quality actually raises performance) I get around 8-15fps (real jiggy though) Shadows off and on, same fps. Window mode, fullscreen, same fps. Different resolutios, same fps. Fiddling all over, same fps. HDR on, all black. Whoops... Classic or premium...same fps. (classic does jump up and down on the fps, and i tried all the settings with similar results. Before someone says it's a poor processor...well from what I'm looking eve is leaving 30-40% of cpu power unused. (Eve is using around 100-110%, while in space.) At station the fps is like 3-4fps, but in space 10-15fps, and in station eve leaves 50-60% of cpu and still the fps is even worse. So Eve is farm from using the cpu efficiently, so it might be up to the GPU, but X3100 is a supported one... more coding boys :) Stop whining.
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.14 19:27:00 - [83] my Mac Book Pro was equipped with the following Mac OS X 10.5.6 with latest updates 2.33 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 Ati Radeon x1600 256 MB Can you tell me how to take screen shots in MAC OS? Also, how do I make screen shots in Vista? Somehow graphics and white snow look better now, maybe I need to test more.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 20:17:00 - [84] I switched audio hardware acceleration off and got this: Exception error Unhandled exception 0xc0000409 at address 0x76551037. Do you wish to debug it ? Macbook Air 1st gen, OS X 10.5.6
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.14 21:08:00 - [85] Originally by: CCP Whisper For those of you wondering about the continuation of the Classic graphics client, Zulupark just published a new devblog which outlines the strategy we will be following in the future. What this means for all players, Mac users included, is that you will have more options to fine-tune the performance of EVE and get the most out of your machine. We will be working closely with Transgaming in the next couple of weeks to make sure this Premium Lite client works. I haven't had a chance to load the beta client yet, but just so we're clear Whisper, the EVE Premium client is the full (SM3) beta client, correct? I saw that dev blog, and to be honest the first thing that popped in to my mind is that this beta may be the Premium Lite client, since I know SM2 performance and support is far more stable under Cider/WINE than SM3. And I'll run the POS test later tonight to see if you get beer or the frying pan. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Reyn Atriedes	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:02:00 - [86] So I've finally gotten it working and here's what I have to say. It runs, but not the best, and I have an NVIDIA 8600GT M with 256mb, which should be more than enough. That being said, I've tested with with the HDR on, bloom set to low and the shadows set to high, and it runs. Like I've said, not always well. Around gates and stations the fps drop a lot, and the game tends to hitch as I undock from stations. I also crashed once after going through a gate. I'm going to continue testing and post some more.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:27:00 - [87] It's a good thing they have two months to fix all these issues, cos in two months classic goes bye bye Stop whining.

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:12:00 - [88] Originally by: Verite Rendition I haven't had a chance to load the beta client yet, but just so we're clear Whisper, the EVE Premium client is the full (SM3) beta client, correct? Correct. What you are testing at the moment is the full Premium client designed to take maximum advantage of SM3. The Premium Lite client is in the last stages of development and we should be releasing that for public testing in the next couple of weeks. Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer It's a good thing they have two months to fix all these issues, cos in two months classic goes bye bye We had our weekly status call with Transgaming today and they're already looking into some of the reported issues. Stability and performance remain our top priority with graphics quality following so close behind that the space between those two agenda items won't accept even the most glitzy of credit cards.

Commander Excelsior	Posted - 2009.01.15 00:27:00 - [89] This thread is a real pain to read... so thanks linux, thanks cider, thanks Steve, and fellow CCP devs. now some testing results : Machine : MacPro 1.1 (4x2.66) / 6GB Ram (2x2 4x512) / Nvidia 8800GT / Os 10.5.6 Fr / Eve and Eve2 on 3band raid HD / 2x CinemaDisplay 23" Setup : Eve Premium enabled : Quality High Cache size : Extreme 512Mb Hdr : Disabled (will explain why later) Audio Hardware : Enabled Resolution : 1920x1200 windowed (with big bars =) by defalult) Entering game as Commander Excelsior : (Drake & Raven) Docked FPS : 80 -100 In Space FPS : 40-70 near a Stargate : 40fps In warp : 40 - 50 fps In Mission L4 pocket : (serpentis extravaganzza 1st pocket 20fps (haze and more) Black Raven in L4 In Mission L4 Combat pocket : minimum seen : 15fps. maxing out zoom : 23fps Bugs Known : Ship textures randomly go black : SO FANCY ! i love my black stealth Rokh !!!! it rocks like KITT ! Wrong textures (like in classic mode) Warp : Fleeing Drake solution : change resolution Wrong Shield booster/hardeners : 39,0¦C upsidedown ;) solution : change resolution Missing Alpha layer : Target icons (when they're not black) cloaked NPC :D Cloaking : Sometimes it doesn't cloak. (already decloaked after jump) : no screenshot, eve's too fast for me now Hanging Fps at stargate Arrival (loading) : No. (not a bug of course) approaching stargate Misloved Federation Navy station : it happens (almost stations are great thus) Hardware Monitoring : With smcFanControl disabled : Cpu at 40¦C Gpu at 80-82¦c (max limit hardware 85¦C) (there aren't gpu monitor on mac, but i know the sound of my 8800 tiny fan does at high temp, thanks to rivatuner on windows Memory : ECC fine, 70-80¦C (80¦ starts CPU fan run faster. never go higher than 81¦c) 2 Client running : Way too hot Smc enabled for 2 clients : 1200rpm for pci bay. Gpu under 80¦ Memory Usage : 1 client starting : 500MB. After 1hour of market surfing, fitting, docking, undocking, warping missioning : 1Gb to 1.4Gb memory usage Memory limit (whole system crash, => hard reboot) 1.40Gb 2 clients sum up : Running in 1920x1200, premium online Max memory usage : 900-1200Mb by each client. no crash so far (1h playing, gone in serpentis extravaganza). With safari, and basic operation like window server it left 600Mb out of 6Gb(memory leak?). screen 1 ----- screen 2 with mem usage Average FPS : (fps aren't very stable, compared to 1 client) 15-20 in missions, 30-60 docked. New Bug : Some time it hang on, very very laggy (like 1 or 2 fps every 3 secs) solution : change resolution back and forth. So mainly Alpha layers and memory leak bugs. Great job. I remember Casqade telling us on os x channel : "Premium is a piece of leading technology". it seems like he was right. Continuing my investigations another day. Have to pass by deltole. We're proud and glad to test such a big work. Note : Disabled HighDefRendering coz it doesn't decrease my fps, BUT highly increase temperature and stress my gpu to the death.
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.15 02:04:00 - [90] Side panel is blurred everything is white/blurry Macbook Pro 17 10.5.6 Intel C2D 2.33 2 GB Ram Ati x1600 256 MB No crashes so far, graphics is corrupt. Heat is significant, but hardware has not failed. (Classic client often caused restart due to excessive temperature) Sound is still somewhat slow, everything is different from Vista premium client. Random diagonal black blurry stripes, impossible to screenshot as they come and go lightning fast. I am looking forward to this, I will even buy the client if it is for sale. Good job. Also want native client.

Shane Darman Gallente Anatolian Diligentia	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:09:00 - [91] Quick Question - is that ATI Radeon Graphics Card the Recommended or REQUIRED card? Because I am running Nvidia here =/ and have higher specs than all those other specs you posted Mr. Admin and sure would be bummed if thats the required one =P.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Shane Darman Quick Question - is that ATI Radeon Graphics Card the Recommended or REQUIRED card? Because I am running Nvidia here =/ and have higher specs than all those other specs you posted Mr. Admin and sure would be bummed if thats the required one =P. That would be a minimum requirement, but you don't have to stick with ATI. Any NVIDIA powered Mac should work; the only NVIDIA GPUs Apple ever slapped together with an Intel CPU all more than meet the minimum specification and performance requirements. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Icarus Flame Amarr Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.01.15 05:36:00 - [93] I'm almost completely ignorant with regard to graphics cards - my Macbook runs the classic client on a 64MB card, which I tried with the premium beta and it fell quite short (failure to load textures, white background, etc.) I have a question about the graphics card in my iMac though. I looked at the data and it said 128MB, which I thought would be sufficient, but when I tried the beta I got an unhandled exception. The thing seemed to be working though, as I got a tiny glimpse of my executioner in smexy premium, before the client crashed. Would this be a problem with the beta, or with my graphics card? I suppose it's the latter, but I wanted to make sure before I give up Eve for lack of hardware.
Remus Navillum z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.01.15 07:05:00 - [94] Edited by: Remus Navillum on 15/01/2009 07:05:12 Originally by: Reyn Atriedes Remus, did you end up fixing the problem? I'm having the same problem and have the exact same rig as you. Yes! I was able to fix the problem, forgot to post here what I did. It seems to be linked to the shadow settings. HDR and bloom work perfectly with no apparent performance drop, but if I ever set the shadow above normal, then restart, the client seems intent to not start up, and just hangs at a black screen. However, it turns out force quitting still works. I just had to clear the cache to set everything back to default. As a side note: MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A SEPARATE PREFERENCES FOLDER FOR THE PREMIUM CLIENT. I ended up having to clear preferences for both because the presence of preferences for 2 clients in the same folder ended up completely screwing my fps in both clients. Everything seemed to work again after clearing the caches and pointing the premium toward its own preferences folder. Rookie mistake, I know.
Apple Boy Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.15 08:05:00 - [95] the white/blurry thing is the exact issue I had that i was going to try and get a screenshot of before the client continually hung Originally by: Opertone Edited by: Opertone on 15/01/2009 02:30:24 everything is white/blurry Macbook Pro 17 10.5.6 Intel C2D 2.33 2 GB Ram Ati x1600 256 MB No crashes so far, graphics is corrupt. Heat is significant, but hardware has not failed. (Classic client often caused restart due to excessive temperature) Sound is still somewhat slow, everything is different from Vista premium client. Random diagonal black blurry stripes, impossible to screenshot as they come and go lightning fast.
Orion Crescent	Posted - 2009.01.15 08:32:00 - [96] Hi there, Downloaded, installed (after renaming current Eve online iteration), and loads up the login front-end fine. Problem is I can't actually connect to the server - rejects my username and/or password. I have confirmed that the account username and password does indeed work on tranquility but not for singularity. Am I missing something? I am not on a trial account. Cheers,
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.15 09:00:00 - [97] Are you a new player? (aka not mirrored to sisi) Is you sisi account activated (did you get yourself banned?) Stop whining.
Burn Cycle Omega Engineering Inc. Imperial Defense Coalition	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:11:00 - [98] Using a Mac Pro (Feb 08 model with a single quad-core Xeon 2.8GHz) and Radeon HD 2600 Just had a marauder duel in the PvP system. I had bloom set to lo and shadows set to lo. everything was nice and smooth :D Happiness here - thx for putting the time in CCP and Transgaming :) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Oiri Yusko ([email protected])
Vereorfer	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:54:00 - [99] Because I'm brand-new to MACs (finally had all I could stand of that "other system"), I'm afraid I can't provide much in the way of techie-smart feedback. But I can and do applaud CCP and the team that is working on this project. My shiny-new iMAC 24 has had its problems with the classic client, problems similar to some already mentioned like freezes, hangs, crashes and recrashes, and cold rebooting the machine in order to restart the game and a few others. I was worried that maybe I blew a lot of money for an even buggier sort of gameplay. But I see that CCP is not only aware of these client issues, but also is moving forward with a better and more enjoyable platform. New bugs or not, I call that due diligence and good customer service. Happy Day! THANK YOU CCP.
Tarak Nor	Posted - 2009.01.15 12:10:00 - [100] Tried out new Mac client during todays downtime on a new 15" MBP (2.54GHz, 4GB). Aside from a couple of minor graphical glitches which I'll stick in a bug report the client worked great. Thanks CCP! Roll on the day when BootCamp can be removed from my machine! :-)

Matharos Dark Canyon Corporation Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary	Posted - 2009.01.15 12:29:00 - [101] Edited by: Matharos on 15/01/2009 12:30:13 Originally by: CCP Whisper OS: OS X 10.5.6 Does this mean that Premium will not work on 10.4.11? And if so does this mean that in March when they cut classic I will have to upgrade my OS? Has anyone tried premium on 10.4.11? Edit: Spelling ftw
MINING BULDOZER	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:02:00 - [102] No language switch. It's hard to write russian words with latin letters.
SPACE L0RD	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:27:00 - [103] Has anyone had a chance to test the CMD-TAB memory leak bug when running in full screen in this beta? I'm thinking most people on the test server aren't testing for hours at a time, so this one may be hard to validate.
Hagis McBree Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.15 13:29:00 - [104] Originally by: Matharos Edited by: Matharos on 15/01/2009 12:30:13 Originally by: CCP Whisper OS: OS X 10.5.6 Does this mean that Premium will not work on 10.4.11? And if so does this mean that in March when they cut classic I will have to upgrade my OS? Has anyone tried premium on 10.4.11? Edit: Spelling ftw yes it will not work on 10.4 Dr Sheepbringer has tried it on his iMac and it didn't work. Apple has upgraded the graphics drivers in 10.5 but not 104, but hopefully 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will be out by then so you could skip 10.5.
jinkoti boslin2	Posted - 2009.01.15 14:06:00 - [105] Originally by: Hagis McBree Originally by: Matharos Edited by: Matharos on 15/01/2009 12:30:13 Originally by: CCP Whisper OS: OS X 10.5.6 Does this mean that Premium will not work on 10.4.11? And if so does this mean that in March when they cut classic I will have to upgrade my OS? Has anyone tried premium on 10.4.11? Edit: Spelling ftw yes it will not work on 10.4 Dr Sheepbringer has tried it on his iMac and it didn't work. Apple has upgraded the graphics drivers in 10.5 but not 104, but hopefully 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will be out by then so you could skip 10.5. I have tried running premium on my macbook pro.. 1 gig ram, ati x1600, and 10.4.11 All runs smoothly, with 24fps outside station 15-20fps in station.. It didnt even make the fans/cpu go crazy and overheat! Woop! The only issue is graphical.. with weird things happening when im in space, seems like the models for the ships are being reproduced in weird ways.. I sincerely hope that the client will eventually run ok on 10.4.11 as i use my computer for other things apart from eve, and some of the higher end audio software i use has never been updated for 10.5.6 (And i cant afford several hundred pounds worth of updates even if they do...) So what's the crack CCP? Will it be more stable on both 10.4 and 10.5 with bug fixes and community feedback? Or are the issues with 10.4.11 here to stay?
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.15 14:25:00 - [106] Originally by: Hagis McBree yes it will not work on 10.4 Dr Sheepbringer has tried it on his iMac and it didn't work. Apple has upgraded the graphics drivers in 10.5 but not 104, but hopefully 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will be out by then so you could skip 10.5. Well it's only my iMac, so it might be case sensitive, but overall I think us Tiger users are just calling for trouble, so my advice is to upgrade, but not now! I just hope that CCP is up to par with Snow Leopard. SW is rumored to be released in Q1 (same as Premium Lite and classic shutdown). So I personally am planning on upgrading to Snow Leopard, not only Leopard. It's cutting close and I with that either Premium Lite works on Tiger at that time (if SW gets delayed) or if CCP is having trouble with SW (Just because it works smoothly on Leopard doesn't automatically mean it will run smooth on snow leopard). I would hate to upgrade from Tiger (on which Eve might not work) and to Snow Leopard and notice that it's not working properly on that one. Also, I'm not planning on buying two OS X versions inside a timeframe of months.
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.15 15:16:00 - [107] Edited by: Soleramnus on 15/01/2009 15:16:24 Originally by: jinkoti boslin2 The only issue is graphical.. with weird things happening when im in space, seems like the models for the ships are being reproduced in weird ways.. Your performance experience was pretty much the same as mine (i.e. good), and though I have 10.5.4, would the "reproduced models" look like the screenshots I posted around page twoùas in, they look purple, big, and inflatable? I'm just curious, as it appears I'm the only one in the thread so far that's gotten those anomalies. Though, now that I think about it, if EVE ever had a Pride day, those graphic glitches would be perfect.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2009.01.15 15:35:00 - [108] Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 15/01/2009 15:35:54 Originally by: CCP Whisper Originally by: Opertone As mentioned before image, side panel and labels have problems, they look like white snow. I have random diagonal stripes and tearing across the screen, they come and go, it looks annoying. Which version of the Mac OS are you running? Are you running any other applications in the background? What resolution are you running the client at and what are your client settings? I got the same issues on my MBP 17", early 2006, which I believe is the same model he's got. Using 10.5.6.
Sindomine	Posted - 2009.01.15 16:24:00 - [109] My system is a Macbook pro Core2Duo 2,4 / 8600GT 256 / 4Gb Ram. I can run premium graphics in high mode. With extreme mode I only see a black screen and computer doesn't respond. High mode with HDR (also high) runs well. Some times all ships looks like a black silhouette. Transparency in jump stargates isn't very smooth. Frames per second very well, load processor is low.
Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.15 16:38:00 - [110] Edited by: Rees Noturana on 15/01/2009 16:38:24 I commented here and filed a bug about constant freezes requiring a forced shutdown of the computer. It happened four or five times the first night I was testing. Anything that initiated a session change locked up my system. My bug was rejected due to being incomplete so I read up on what they wanted and started testing again. Since then I haven't been able to lock up the system at all. That's pretty nice but I still wonder what was happening that first night. Love the new graphics. No real performance increase but other than the known graphics bugs I don't want to go back to classic. Can't wait for March.

jinkoti boslin2	Posted - 2009.01.15 17:07:00 - [111] Originally by: Soleramnus Edited by: Soleramnus on 15/01/2009 15:16:24 Originally by: jinkoti boslin2 The only issue is graphical.. with weird things happening when im in space, seems like the models for the ships are being reproduced in weird ways.. Your performance experience was pretty much the same as mine (i.e. good), and though I have 10.5.4, would the "reproduced models" look like the screenshots I posted around page twoùas in, they look purple, big, and inflatable? I'm just curious, as it appears I'm the only one in the thread so far that's gotten those anomalies. Though, now that I think about it, if EVE ever had a Pride day, those graphic glitches would be perfect. Yep, almost dientical graphical glitches.. seemed to appear only when the camera was pointing in a specific direction, and grow/shrink as I zoomed in and out.. I would really like to knwo that CCP were at least trying to make this client compatible with the 10.4.11 os. I know its way past update time for some of us mac users.. but the cost of a graphics card pales in comparison to updating things like ableton and reason etc...
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.01.15 19:19:00 - [112] Edited by: Maria Kalista on 15/01/2009 19:20:11 Originally by: jinkoti boslin2 I would really like to knwo that CCP were at least trying to make this client compatible with the 10.4.11 os. I know its way past update time for some of us mac users.. but the cost of a graphics card pales in comparison to updating things like ableton and reason etc... Ugh, just accept it Apple moves forward, not backward. I'm no techie but it would not surprise me if updates to drivers are OS specific. So, implementing driver updates for an old OS, is double work, way more difficult then updating the next OS currently used or the one after that. And what are you whining about! Our Mac OS is priced at a reasonable 125 USD, with everything included! Just look at the junk MS is offering at their consumers for way more and then you have to pay premium prices to get all, viruses not excluded.
Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.15 19:20:00 - [113] Originally by: jinkoti boslin2 I would really like to knwo that CCP were at least trying to make this client compatible with the 10.4.11 os. I know its way past update time for some of us mac users.. but the cost of a graphics card pales in comparison to updating things like ableton and reason etc... I know its not the optimal solution but partitioning your drive or using a second one for Leopard might be an option for you. The under the hood improvements in Leopard and Snow Leopard really appeal to developers. Staying with Tiger, except for your audio work, its going to get tougher for you. Some people go so far as to run Vista or XP just for Eve. Personally I'd have to be pretty desperate to taint my system that way but that's just because I use XP all day for work.
Infinite Mix Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.01.15 20:59:00 - [114] I run EVE on my Macbook Pro 2.6GHz, 4GB ram, Geforce 8600 GT Mobile 512 RAM I get about 30FPS in Stations and about 25 in random space with setting all the way up. I don't think its all that bad until I apple-tab out of the game and my whole computer is super choppy. It isn't processor that is making it so choppy cause my CPUs are running at about 30%/30% or less. It seems to be something that is sucking up all the draw time. I'd say my comps FPS in general os x while the game is apple tabbed is about 5fps or worse, but still responding like normal. I also run Windows Vista on a separate partition on the same machine. I get easily double or more FPS while playing and I don't have the alt-tab problem in windows. I was really hoping I could just play on mac :P, but I'm looking forward to it anyway.
Shadowfigt	Posted - 2009.01.15 21:08:00 - [115] Im starting to wonder, is there a way to run the premium client in 2 windows so i can play on both my characters? I could not find a way to do this in the old client, nor can i find a way to do it in the new one?
aldinir	Posted - 2009.01.15 21:13:00 - [116] Edited by: aldinir on 15/01/2009 21:13:30 well. im having a dum problem. my comp crashes every time, when Im entering station, at the picture "entering station" I,m not geting to the station, the "bar" stops 2/3 up and then, nothing hapens
Cor Aidan Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.15 23:04:00 - [117] Edited by: Cor Aidan on 15/01/2009 23:05:15 I played around with this last night just before the Singularity downtime... some basic observations. System: MacBook Pro 3,1 Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz; 2GB RAM; GeForce 8600M GT 256MB OS X 10.5.6 Surprisingly this client seemed to run cooler than the current Trinity build for me at similar fan speeds. Of course, I always set Interval One. The only major glitch I saw was the black ship on my Domi - the only time this occurred for me, though, was when I first set my sentry drones to start firing at a rat. Interestingly, when I put them away and brought out my flight of Ogre Is and played around with looking at the Ogres and the rat (Domination Drone in this case) my ship texture returned to normal. Note that the whole ship did not go black - the round bits on the side and a rectangular bit that connects them along the bottom of the ship remained shiny and silver. I noted some delays when entering warp after the third warp I took between belts in system (cache was set to 128MB). I spent a good bit of time playing around in station with HDR, bloom, shadows, and various Z-buffer depth and RGBA settings. All this at 1280x1024 resolution windowed. Quick summary: With shadows OFF all ships showed up extremely dark - I could barely see any details on ships: Thorax, Ishtar, Deimos, Domi, Hyperion, Mega, Prophecy, Harbinger, Armageddon, Myrmidon, and Amarr Shuttle are what I looked at. Shadows ON: All ships had what I'd consider to be a layer of "fog" on their surface - I presume this was related to the lighting as there were tearing effects in this fog that got better or worse depending on Z-buffer depth and stencil settings (neither switching between HDR and bloom levels nor XRGB and RGBA modes seemed to have an effect here). I saw no qualitative change in this tearing effect when going from Low to High shadows; I didn't have time to try Extreme before the downtime. (Another note - dither on/off didn't seem to have any effect on the fog tearing either). In all, looks pretty good on my system with the usual suspects that have been around the Mac client since the beginning: mostly looks like issues with the Z-buffer depth and stencil (seems to be some major issues with those) and the usual corruption of assets over time... unfortunately I know how hard it is to find memory leaks when you're using third party APIs (could be an issue with clearing accumulation buffers or something though as a resolution, Z-buffer, or pixel format change always seems to fix the garbled textures). I also had some instances where it seemed I had to click things several times in the UI to get things to activate. That's all I have from my notes I scribbled down.

TG Skeletor	Posted - 2009.01.15 23:27:00 - [118] Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick note, thanking you all for taking time out to help us identify all the remaining issues in the Mac Premium Client. At TransGaming, we're doing our best to fix these last bugs as fast as we can so that you can enjoy the best experience on the platform that you all love. As mentioned, we're already looking into several of the identified issues, like the memory leak, targeting stability foremost with graphical glitches close behind. The detailed information already posted will help us provide a stable, amazing looking client when Premium ships. Great job, all! Just a few quick notes: The ATI X1600 and ATI X1900 both have the R500 chip. Unfortunately, there is an issue with these cards that currently hard-locks EVE from time-to-time. This is a known issue, and we're currently working to provide a workaround. Thanks in advance for you patience. It is recommended that you update your OS to the most recent point release. In every OS update, there are fixes to graphics drivers, memory management, etc. The point release upgrades are free and will ensure that you are running the best drivers for your hardware. Keep the feedback coming, and thanks again!

jinkoti boslin2	Posted - 2009.01.15 23:55:00 - [119] Originally by: Maria Kalista Edited by: Maria Kalista on 15/01/2009 19:20:11 Originally by: jinkoti boslin2 I would really like to knwo that CCP were at least trying to make this client compatible with the 10.4.11 os. I know its way past update time for some of us mac users.. but the cost of a graphics card pales in comparison to updating things like ableton and reason etc... Ugh, just accept it Apple moves forward, not backward. I'm no techie but it would not surprise me if updates to drivers are OS specific. So, implementing driver updates for an old OS, is double work, way more difficult then updating the next OS currently used or the one after that. And what are you whining about! Our Mac OS is priced at a reasonable 125 USD, with everything included! Just look at the junk MS is offering at their consumers for way more and then you have to pay premium prices to get all, viruses not excluded. Unhelpful Reply
jinkoti boslin2	Posted - 2009.01.15 23:56:00 - [120] Originally by: Rees Noturana Originally by: jinkoti boslin2 I would really like to knwo that CCP were at least trying to make this client compatible with the 10.4.11 os. I know its way past update time for some of us mac users.. but the cost of a graphics card pales in comparison to updating things like ableton and reason etc... I know its not the optimal solution but partitioning your drive or using a second one for Leopard might be an option for you. The under the hood improvements in Leopard and Snow Leopard really appeal to developers. Staying with Tiger, except for your audio work, its going to get tougher for you. Some people go so far as to run Vista or XP just for Eve. Personally I'd have to be pretty desperate to taint my system that way but that's just because I use XP all day for work. Helpful Reply

Kry' Terra	Posted - 2009.01.16 00:44:00 - [121] Well, now I have a weird issue... I don't think this is happening to anyone else, either. I tried logging onto the premium beta and it says the server status was unknown... I also tried redownloading the beta client and it still says the same thing. Is there a SiSi update that could be causing this that I have to download? Please help!
Kry' Terra	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:22:00 - [122] Sorry for double posting... nevermind about my above past, apparently it was just a downtime or something... lol
DeTroya Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:55:00 - [123] Edited by: DeTroya on 16/01/2009 04:58:09 Installed the beta and it ran perfectly! I am running new MacBook with 10.5.6; 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 duo, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M WOW! There is a huge difference from the previous client! I was able to do several jumps successfully. I haven't had time to try anything fancy but it seems very stable. It is so cool to finally have the seamless graphics everyone else has talked about! Thanks to the hard work of the dev teams!
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.16 09:41:00 - [124] Originally by: DeTroya WOW! There is a huge difference from the previous client! I was able to do several jumps successfully. How on earth did they ever manage to sell the current classic as a finished product to us Stop whining.
Pekeiraz	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:38:00 - [125] System Specs: iMac 24" 2.8 GHz Core 2 Duo 2 GB ATI RadeonHD2600 running in full screen mode with only Safari in background. Grahic settings with bloom. Just tested the new client for 2 hours... All the windows (market, star map etc.) seem to work properly. All shades and graphics look beautiful. Frame rate always between 20-30 fps After fitting a Tempest I tried a little jumping around and ratting in 0.0... But the client hangs about every 10 minutes, so I had to restart it every time. After restarting it works for another 10 minutes and hangs again. Any suggestions about that? In any way, I think when the new Mac client gets on release, CCP did a great job!
Lotze Lackbeard	Posted - 2009.01.16 11:44:00 - [126] I've tried this twice with 10.5.6 on my first gen Mac Pro (X1900 xt graphics card in 30" monitor) and while I LOOOVE the premium graphics (first time I've seen 'em) there is an issue where, in station, the icons on the left side dock are half-ghosted out and illegible and the same thing happens to my instrument panel (guns, armor rep etc.) against certain backgrounds when I'm outside in combat. I can rotate screen and against clouds the buttons glitch out and aren't readable but when I rotate so there's a open space behind then it's fine. Totally repeatable. Also it crashes whole system (have to do hard reset - which I NEVER have to do) both times I tested it. In the official app I'd never been able to see what the inside of stations were meant to look like - that's always glitched out for me. 7gb RAM, btw, running the beta at 2560x1600 and I run the proper game 1 res down from that in windowed..... and it starts crashing every 1-2 days and the computer has to be restarted to normalize - on the non-beta version!
HZAL	Posted - 2009.01.16 13:04:00 - [127] omg omg omg omg omg omg omg clapping hands together like a slightly simple child it's here you guys! lol just downloading now. gonna test it on my works' "beast": Apple G5 8 Core OS: 10.5.6 Pro: 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon Memory: 4 GB 800 MHz Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT Display: Apple HD 30" display [2560 x 1600] YARRR, i love me job!!! i'm expecting good things.
Tamalane Sevnir	Posted - 2009.01.16 14:28:00 - [128] Tried it on a latest-generation 15" MBP with a 9600M GT at 512RAM. I didn't have much time to fiddle with it, but three quick impressions: 1. Windowed mode is still not an option regardless of resolution. 2. It heats up the computer like nothing else. With smc locking fans to the max 6200rpm it still ratcheted up to 92C within three minutes and would have gone higher if I didn't abort. That is wildly out of recommended CPU parameters. 3. The character portraits are missing shadows that appear normally in the XP version of the client.
Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.16 14:45:00 - [129] Originally by: Tamalane Sevnir Tried it on a latest-generation 15" MBP with a 9600M GT at 512RAM. I didn't have much time to fiddle with it, but three quick impressions: 1. Windowed mode is still not an option regardless of resolution. 2. It heats up the computer like nothing else. With smc locking fans to the max 6200rpm it still ratcheted up to 92C within three minutes and would have gone higher if I didn't abort. That is wildly out of recommended CPU parameters. 3. The character portraits are missing shadows that appear normally in the XP version of the client. 1. CMD+Return for windowed or is there another problem? There's also a way to configure the client manually to automatically use windowed mode. Check in the stickies for this section. 2. Do you have the advanced graphics settings present interval set to one? 3. Character portrait shadows?
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:39:00 - [130] Originally by: TG Skeletor Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick note, thanking you all for taking time out to help us identify all the remaining issues in the Mac Premium Client. At TransGaming, we're doing our best to fix these last bugs as fast as we can so that you can enjoy the best experience on the platform that you all love. As mentioned, we're already looking into several of the identified issues, like the memory leak, targeting stability foremost with graphical glitches close behind. The detailed information already posted will help us provide a stable, amazing looking client when Premium ships. Great job, all! Just a few quick notes: The ATI X1600 and ATI X1900 both have the R500 chip. Unfortunately, there is an issue with these cards that currently hard-locks EVE from time-to-time. This is a known issue, and we're currently working to provide a workaround. Thanks in advance for you patience. It is recommended that you update your OS to the most recent point release. In every OS update, there are fixes to graphics drivers, memory management, etc. The point release upgrades are free and will ensure that you are running the best drivers for your hardware. Keep the feedback coming, and thanks again! Thanks for visiting TransGamingùalways good to see the blue lines here and there. And you're welcomeùwhatever we can do to help out.

HZAL	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:39:00 - [131] okay: overall ran very smoothly and fps was running at 25+ fps. looked farkin sexy too. tried a bit of pvp and it ran like a dream. annoying you still can't do window view though. but then: 1. blocky black ship with black block drones appeared and stayed for a while but he seemed to disappeared depending what angle the camera or ship was at. 2. when i logged in first of all local had no one in it despite the fact there was two peeps sitting outside with me at the station in rens, but this changed when i got to amamake. 3. at one point, coming out of warp at a stargate, frame rate juddered down to 2fps and froze then client crashed shortly after. Other than those little things, it all looked and ran smoothly with full res and bloom on and 7 other apps running. looking forward to the finished piece. \0/
Versteckter	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:05:00 - [132] So far it's a good start. The only issues I have seen have already been mentioned with the exception of an issue I have with the market. Any time I click on an item the client crashes out to Desktop but I can still hear the audio. I haven't had a lot of time to play with the Premium client but I think it's a pretty good so far. Running on CTO Mac Pro Quad Intel Dual Core First Gen NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 6gb RAM
Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:47:00 - [133] Originally by: HZAL ... annoying you still can't do window view though. That's two comments now about no window view. The selection in the preferences window doesn't work because of how Cider is simulating the Windows environment but CMD+Return still flips you between windowed and non-windowed views. Check the stickies for instructions on setting the initial state in the config files. From what I can tell Eve isn't rewritten in any way for Mac. It runs in a simulation provided by Cider. So, you won't be seeing tweaks to the UI just for us. Hope that helps. What I would like is to know if there is some way to turn on anti-aliasing. Sounds like Windows users do that outside of the client but the Mac doesn't have any option to turn it on that I've seen.
Helmer	Posted - 2009.01.16 17:59:00 - [134] When I open the client, it says there's a 0MB patch to install, but it doesn't work. File not found or some error. Trying to log in also doesn't work. Wrong client version error. What's happening?
SPACE L0RD	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:00:00 - [135] Originally by: Versteckter So far it's a good start. The only issues I have seen have already been mentioned with the exception of an issue I have with the market. Any time I click on an item the client crashes out to Desktop but I can still hear the audio. I haven't had a lot of time to play with the Premium client but I think it's a pretty good so far. Running on CTO Mac Pro Quad Intel Dual Core First Gen NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 6gb RAM What version of OSX?
SPACE L0RD	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:04:00 - [136] Originally by: Rees Noturana Originally by: HZAL ... annoying you still can't do window view though. That's two comments now about no window view. The selection in the preferences window doesn't work because of how Cider is simulating the Windows environment but CMD+Return still flips you between windowed and non-windowed views. I'm not even sure if CCP officially supports windowed mode for Mac client. Kind of a shame since right now, windowed mode seems to be the only option if you wish to play eve and still do other stuff for any length of time. There may be some limitation we are unaware of.
aldinir	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:42:00 - [137] "there is a new patc at 0 mb for you"????????? I cant download it ???????? what is this now im on my MBP 2,2 ghz 4 GB and geforce 8600m gt
Lige	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:19:00 - [138] Edited by: Lige on 16/01/2009 19:19:28 0MB Download, Unable to connect... I have the same problem here, maybe they have an update for us already Cant wait to try it out i have several systems i can test this on... ARRR
Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:24:00 - [139] Originally by: SPACE L0RD I'm not even sure if CCP officially supports windowed mode for Mac client. Kind of a shame since right now, windowed mode seems to be the only option if you wish to play eve and still do other stuff for any length of time. There may be some limitation we are unaware of. Its supported. There's even a knowledge base article on setting the config so it starts up that way: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=403
Blind Fox	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:31:00 - [140] Edited by: Blind Fox on 16/01/2009 21:34:53 MBP - 2.5Ghz - 4gig Ram - GeForce 8600 GT 512mb 0mb Patch Available - Unable to Connect Incompatible with Server =[ Too bad, I'd jump at the chance to continue playing eve if they can release a stable premium edition for os x. Maybe I'll check back in March. -heres the error: " There was an unexpected error while retrieving patch status: Unable to download file o2/test/mac/evepremiumpatch73201-74651_test-mac.tgz from the server. Error: url //ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/test/mac/evepremiumpatch73201-74651_test-mac.tgz not found Do you want to go to support page?

Vint Rotach	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:00:00 - [141] 0mb Patch Available - Unable to Connect There was an unexpected error while retrieving patch status: Unable to download file o2/test/mac/evepremiumpatch73201-74651_test-mac.tgz from the server. Error: url //ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/test/mac/evepremiumpatch73201-74651_test-mac.tgz not found THIS. Also for me. Worked fine yesterday, reported some bugs, got some feedback from CCP asking me to recreate.. Cant now

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:54:00 - [142] For those of you experiencing difficulties connnecting to Singularity and not receiving a patch, we're working on getting things running again. Someone got a bit overzealous in deployment and we're going to either revert back to the old server code or get a Mac patch built and deployed as quickly as we can. Sorry for the inconvenience.

SPACE L0RD	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:16:00 - [143] Originally by: Rees Noturana Originally by: SPACE L0RD I'm not even sure if CCP officially supports windowed mode for Mac client. Kind of a shame since right now, windowed mode seems to be the only option if you wish to play eve and still do other stuff for any length of time. There may be some limitation we are unaware of. Its supported. There's even a knowledge base article on setting the config so it starts up that way: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=403 Wow, really odd. You would think the programers could have written code to check the platform and when=Mac issue CMD-TAB in behind the menu pick then and saved it's state in the preferences file. Why make Mac users chase down and edit a file??
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:22:00 - [144] Originally by: CCP Whisper For those of you experiencing difficulties connnecting to Singularity and not receiving a patch, we're working on getting things running again. Someone got a bit overzealous in deployment and we're going to either revert back to the old server code or get a Mac patch built and deployed as quickly as we can. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks for the updateùwas wondering why I couldn't connect to SiSi this evening.
angulion Gallente Axxeon	Posted - 2009.01.17 02:35:00 - [145] Sorry to barge in and being off-topic here. I'm on a laptop but with linux. I read of people here who experience crashes due to overheating. I have had this issue, unrelated to Eve, in the past - I found out it was simply dust that had gathered in the heatsink/fan (and I have a couple of cats too). To you whose macbooks or other laptop overheat, can you easily remove some cover over the fan and check if it needs to be cleaned? I usually do it every couple of months or so nowadays. (Last time heat went from 91C to 76C).
Sevarus James Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.01.17 11:53:00 - [146] Originally by: TG Skeletor Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick note, thanking you all for taking time out to help us identify all the remaining issues in the Mac Premium Client. At TransGaming, we're doing our best to fix these last bugs as fast as we can so that you can enjoy the best experience on the platform that you all love. As mentioned, we're already looking into several of the identified issues, like the memory leak, targeting stability foremost with graphical glitches close behind. The detailed information already posted will help us provide a stable, amazing looking client when Premium ships. Great job, all! Just a few quick notes: The ATI X1600 and ATI X1900 both have the R500 chip. Unfortunately, there is an issue with these cards that currently hard-locks EVE from time-to-time. This is a known issue, and we're currently working to provide a workaround. Thanks in advance for you patience. It is recommended that you update your OS to the most recent point release. In every OS update, there are fixes to graphics drivers, memory management, etc. The point release upgrades are free and will ensure that you are running the best drivers for your hardware. Keep the feedback coming, and thanks again! Oh yeah, and from us in the Linux section, thanks for your support TG. - and that is as sarcastic as I'll make this, considering this is the ONLY place TG or CCP seem to be responding with TG related q & a. Updated Ubuntu Compiz-Linux Desktop+EVE Premium

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.17 13:08:00 - [147] Singularity has been restored to a previous build. You should now be able to log on normally with the Premium beta client.

Aurix Lexico Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.17 15:58:00 - [148] Edited by: Aurix Lexico on 17/01/2009 15:58:31 Originally by: CCP Whisper Singularity has been restored to a previous build. You should now be able to log on normally with the Premium beta client. This is the reason why I had to recopy my sisi directory?
Jaybe	Posted - 2009.01.17 16:50:00 - [149] Yay. Downloading it now. Yet another reason to not bother booting up Vista (/spit).
Kaide Sendai	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:30:00 - [150] Edited by: Kaide Sendai on 17/01/2009 19:37:09 Works great on my 3.06Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo + nvidia 8800 GS 24" iMac (4GB RAM). Rarely seeing it drop below 59 fps. I've been jumping around like crazy and scrapping with NPCs - no crashes and looks beautiful. Edit: Oops spoke to soon. I just docked at UM-Q7F X Quafe Company Factory. When i docked there was a sort of semi-transparent white overlaid window on the right hand side where the Station Information window is. The Quafe logo was just a white box. When I clicked on it, I found myself looking at my desktop. EVE had stopped responding but was still running in the background. I had to force quit it. Nice work so far though :)

Sindomine	Posted - 2009.01.17 20:40:00 - [151] It is posible to activate antialiasing with a Nvidia 8600M GT in premium client?
Freightdog	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:52:00 - [152] Works just fine on a 2.6 ghz macbook pro, 4 gb ram, geforce 8600, leopard 10.5.6, jumped five gates to Hek and bought stuff. NP at all nice to have premium for my mac, my alt was getting all uppity about his windows premium box ;)
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.17 22:45:00 - [153] Originally by: Soleramnus Edited by: Soleramnus on 13/01/2009 22:20:57 Edited by: Soleramnus on 13/01/2009 22:20:06 Edited by: Soleramnus on 13/01/2009 22:19:27 Model Name:MacBook Pro 15" (2007 or thereabouts model) Processor Name:Intel Core Duo Processor Speed:2.16 GHz Chipset Model:ATY,RadeonX1600 Encountered various graphical anomalies, which are linked here. First was the turning of engine glows into flat black textures, usually in warp. It may be ship-specific and I hear Whisper is already aware of it. Linkage 1 Linkage 2 Second was odd and quite trippyùwhat looks like purple texture masks appear mid flight. They are usually from the closest celestial object (it seems)ùi.e. an NPC ship, a stargate, a station, or the player's own ship. Shifting the camera will make them appear or disappear. This usually only occurs in space, and quite frequentlyùmore rarely it'll happen in station (only Caldari, out of the Caldari and Gallente I docked at). They are not staticùthey move with the player and whatever the source object is doing. The Purple Masks seemed to occur regardless of ship type (again, any celestial it seems), though the screenshots only show when I was in a shuttle. Linkage 1 Linkage 2 Linkage 3 Linkage 4 Linkage 5 I had shadows on normal, HDR (and thus Bloom) off. On the good side of things, I experienced no performance issues. No intense mission running or other activity, but through warping and docking the graphics were silky smooth. Fans did not run very hot. Another pilot with my same make and model however had his FPS bouncing from smooth to intolerableùso I'll count myself lucky on that one. Also encountered a number of exception errors that crashed the client, which I bug reported. I'll be looking to report the graphic glitches sometime later tonight or tomorrow. Went back onto the client and noticed that I did not encounter the purple anomolies with shadows disabled. Don't know if this was fixed (if so, you guys were fast on that one), or if it was just a setting issue. No performance issues stillùexcept a fps drop at the Luminaire Graveyards, which I think had to do with the complex itself rather than the client. Noticed that the map has some graphical bugs. Star systems will not increase in size as you zoom closer to them or if statistics are run on them (only tried a few settings like DED complexes, will try others to confirm this). Lines between systems do not appear when enabled. Also encountered a few minor-ish graphical anomalies. Will edit this post with screenies once I get the chance.
Tharsus Tamrial	Posted - 2009.01.17 23:59:00 - [154] "My God... it's full of stars..." (with a tear in the corner of the eye) ;) Tried it for cca. 30 mins, everything works fine so far... no glitches, no hangs, nothing... HW: iMac 20" ('08 model), 2.66, 2Gb RAM, ATI 2600 PRO, OS 10.5.6 SW (in-game graphic settings): default, running on 1680x1050
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:25:00 - [155] Alright, now that I have some free-time, it's time for the much vaunted POS Test. --- As many of you are aware, for whatever reason POSs beat the crap out of the client. Just looking at a tower with a few mods sends performance crashing to the ground, and a tower with many mods... well that's just ugly. There mere existence of a POS causes CPU usage on the EVE client to spike, and I have no problem bringing EVE to utilizing a full CPU core with a larger POS. Furthermore as I have explained before, the EVE Mac client is stupidly CPU limited, which makes POSs particularly painful. This specific test is based on a POS I found at Nonni, P3 M1. It's a research POS loaded with labs, factories, and defenses. It's really not all that different from most 0.0 POSs. And since POSs are such a huge part of the end-game 0.0 EVE experience, lousy performance really isn't acceptable here. The test is to simply stare at the POS and record the frame rate. It's extremely reproducible, which is necessary for a valid test. Since I can't take the beta Premium client on to TQ, I have made a recreation of that Nonni POS at P6 M1 of K-8SQS. This POS is treated like the above, and as we'll see is similarly painful to the computer rendering it. --- We'll start things off with Tranquility and the POS in Nonni, to give you an idea of what the tower is like and what the performance is on the current PC and Mac clients. In the case of the PC, we have it with both Premium and Classic graphics; and in all cases the PC is given a handicap by running 4x anti-aliasing. It's worth noting that other than the ship doing the viewing, the view is virtually the same since none of the POS assets have a Premium version. So the performance difference on the PC comes down to the viewing ship and the engine itself. The following is run on a 3ghz quad-core Mac Pro with an 8800GT TQ, PC w/Classic Graphics: 76fps TQ, PC w/Premium Graphics: 79fps TQ, Mac w/Classic Graphics: 16fps Note the frame rate: 76fps, 79fps, and 16fps. The current Mac client is 79% slower than the PC client on this test. 16fps is unacceptable performance, and you can't really play the game with that kind of a sustained frame rate. Now for Sisi, with the latest Sisi client for the PC, the latest Classic Sisi client for the Mac, and the new beta Premium client for the Mac. The POS setup isn't exactly the same, so results aren't completely comparable to the above, but it's close. Sisi, PC w/Classic Graphics: 92fps Sisi, PC w/Premium Graphics: 58fps (this is a bit lower than what I usually get TBH, but it is what it is) Sisi, Mac w/Classic Graphics: 18fps Sisi, Mac w/Premium Graphics: 18fps The results are effectively the same as with Tranquility: The Mac client is significantly slower than the PC client, to the tune of 69% slower with Premium graphics enabled. Furthermore when we directly compare the two Mac clients, we come to another important conclusion: The Premium client is in fact not in the slightest bit faster than the Classic client on a high-end system. Whatever the Premium client was supposed to offer, it did nothing for CPU usage, and as I have said time and time again, that's what's holding back the Mac client. It should be noted that there doesn't appear to be a performance hit using Premium and it looks better than Classic (not to mention it'll be important in March) but it's not any faster. (cont)
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.18 00:25:00 - [156] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 18/01/2009 00:35:43 Given the current beta, the conclusion I have to draw then is that the Premium client is not going to be any faster than the existing Classic client, and that it is not going to solve our long-outstanding problems with EVE on a Mac. EVE has not been playable with the Classic client, and it is no more playable with the Premium client. As long as the Mac client continues to be stupidly CPU limited, it will not be possible for 0.0 residents to play EVE on a Mac; the client is reduced to changing skills and little else (I'd call it a chat interface, but I live in a POS; and who likes trying to chat at 15fps and significant input lag?). I would need a 10ghz Core2/Xeon processor to get acceptable performance on a Mac, and that just doesn't exist (and given the slow growth of single-threaded performance on new CPUs, won't exist for many, many years more). On a scale of a frying pan to a beer, this is decidedly in the frying pan category. If the shipping Premium client performs as poorly, the boys at CCP will be blacking out due to head trauma instead of alcohol poisoning like usual. I will however end this with some credit for CCP and the guys at Transgaming. I know that SM3 is a ***** and a half to get working on a Mac when you're programming natively, never mind when you're trying to get it working on an emulator like WINE/Cider, which has had its own set of significant issues getting SM3 working. There is certainly credit due for all of the hard work to make the Premium client work on the Mac. Unfortunately it is not solving the real problems that plague the Mac client. PS I should also add that I've taken a crack at getting the new version of Cider working with the Premium PC TQ client, for the particularly sadistic among us. We all know the secret sauce is in Cider and not any kind of customized build of the EVE client (the MD5 sums are the same for the current Premium PC and Premium Mac clients) so there's no reason why it shouldn't work (although it's definitely not a good idea). With that said while I can enable Premium mode after stuffing the Mac Premium client with the Premium PC client for TQ, I can't actually get it to work. I'll keep dinking with it, but if anyone else gets it working, please don't hesitate to share.
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:23:00 - [157] Singularity appears to be offline againùI was on it just a few hours earlier. Did the beer keg get spilled again?
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:37:00 - [158] Originally by: Soleramnus Singularity appears to be offline againùI was on it just a few hours earlier. Did the beer keg get spilled again? Downtime for TQ started at 00:01. It looks to be back up. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Aviaden	Posted - 2009.01.18 13:55:00 - [159] This is disappointing, albeit not completely unexpected, since I am leaving high sec for 0.0 fairly soon. When first I heard of EVE being available on Mac I asked the people at MacWorld magazine about suitable hardware. More than a year later I'm not sure whether they told me it was completely CPU intensive or whether the graphic card played some role. If CCP has no multicore capability, and can have none even with Snow Leopard and Grand Central, then I am out of the EVE Universe. I left Windows for good. Really, really good. Sadly.
ildunira	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:29:00 - [160] Edited by: ildunira on 18/01/2009 15:29:12 What do you mean with the "stupid CPU limited"

Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:54:00 - [161] Originally by: ildunira Edited by: ildunira on 18/01/2009 15:29:12 What do you mean with the "stupid CPU limited" I mean it's so far beyond incredibly CPU limited that it's stupefying, hence stupidly CPU limited. On a high-end system it hits 100% CPU usage doing everything, and obviously it only gets 18fps for all that CPU time on the POS test. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Bomberlocks	Posted - 2009.01.18 20:20:00 - [162] Hi, just tried out the new beta on my Mac. It's an immense improvement over the classic version. I get an average of 39 FPS at 1900x1200 with all settings high but HDR not enabled. The only thing which improves the framerate is turning off shadows, but the improvement is not spectacular, as I then gget an average of about 41 fps. On this same machine in WinXP 32, at the same settings I get about 79fps. The game is still very playable. I don't know what it would do in highly populated systems though. I went ratting and into a complex and it seems ok there. Great work CCP and Transgaming. That said, I have seen two bugs: 1. The stations get mangled. It looks like a geometry or shader problem, but I don't really know which. The station becomes kind of twisted with textures being applied to empty spaces etc. 2. There is some sort of clipping problem with the gate jumping effects. It looks like parts are being erased/cut off. My system: Mac Pro dual quadcore 2.8GHz, 4GB RAM, Nvidia 8800GT with 512MB RAM.
aldinir	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:39:00 - [163] I have 2 macs 1: imac with the 2,16 ghz, 2 GB and the ATI radeon X1600. so fare im not even geting to the station. it crashes at "entering station" wonder why? 2: Macbok pro, 2,2 ghz, 4 GB and Geforce 8600M and entering station :)))) but!!! even those setings: fullscreen, Colordepth 24 bit, AR 1440x 900, depth 32 bit z, cache size 128 (low), HDR off and shadow off i still have problems with the FPS sudently it drop from ok 35-50 to 4-9 sometimes when I approach stations, sometimes just without knowing why. the FPS run unbelievebel unstabel.
ildunira	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:41:00 - [164] I know the FPS is moving up and down but, here, when it "hits" 4-9 it stays there
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.18 22:35:00 - [165] Originally by: aldinir 1: imac with the 2,16 ghz, 2 GB and the ATI radeon X1600. so fare im not even geting to the station. it crashes at "entering station" wonder why? Sounds familiar. Hey even the specs are identical :) IF you are running tiger, then it's probably a tiger thing...BUT if you have leopard there...then it's a HW thing.
Hrothan	Posted - 2009.01.19 08:02:00 - [166] So far, so good. I like the look better, things have been smooth thus far. There's only one problem: my character info didn't transfer. It's the character from a few weeks ago.
Klyn Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.19 09:24:00 - [167] Edited by: Klyn on 19/01/2009 09:23:48 Originally by: CCP Whisper The Premium Graphics client for EVE Online can subject your system to extremely high loads. We highly recommend downloading an application such as smcFanControl to manually manage the fan speeds of your machine and set them high enough to ensure adequate cooling. An application like iStat Menus can help you keep an eye on system temperature. Hopfully this won't be an officially advice for the final Premium Graphics Client. I will start testing the beta/alpha-version in next few days. I'm curious about the performance on my system (imac c2d 2.16 ghz, xt1600).
Shin Chogan Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.19 10:39:00 - [168] I completely agree with Verite's comments, the one addition I have is in addition to the Mac Pro I also have a 2.2Ghz Macbook Pro with a 128MB nVidia 8600M GT which gets almost exactly the same FPS as my Mac Pro which, considering the difference in power, is completely mucked up.
aldinir	Posted - 2009.01.19 10:54:00 - [169] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Originally by: aldinir 1: imac with the 2,16 ghz, 2 GB and the ATI radeon X1600. so fare im not even geting to the station. it crashes at "entering station" wonder why? Sounds familiar. Hey even the specs are identical :) IF you are running tiger, then it's probably a tiger thing...BUT if you have leopard there...then it's a HW thing. I am runing leopard
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.19 13:30:00 - [170] Originally by: aldinir Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Originally by: aldinir 1: imac with the 2,16 ghz, 2 GB and the ATI radeon X1600. so fare im not even geting to the station. it crashes at "entering station" wonder why? Sounds familiar. Hey even the specs are identical :) IF you are running tiger, then it's probably a tiger thing...BUT if you have leopard there...then it's a HW thing. I am runing leopard Oh crap... is the X1600 a 128mb or 256mb? Mine is 256mb and because I have tiger...then it's not just about upgrading to leopard for me. Damn it. So this is looking a bit grim. Our imacs currently don't work in either OS versions... Stop whining.

Rees Noturana AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.19 14:51:00 - [171] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Oh crap... is the X1600 a 128mb or 256mb? Mine is 256mb and because I have tiger...then it's not just about upgrading to leopard for me. Damn it. So this is looking a bit grim. Our imacs currently don't work in either OS versions... To find out how much VRAM you have use: System Profiler > Hardware > Graphics/Displays The X1600 on my MBP is 128 MB and I've had pretty good luck other than the first night. The TransGaming guy mentioned earlier that there is a current issue with the X1600 that will cause the system to freeze and they are working on it.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.19 19:23:00 - [172] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 19/01/2009 19:25:11 Originally by: Klyn Edited by: Klyn on 19/01/2009 09:23:48 Originally by: CCP Whisper The Premium Graphics client for EVE Online can subject your system to extremely high loads. We highly recommend downloading an application such as smcFanControl to manually manage the fan speeds of your machine and set them high enough to ensure adequate cooling. An application like iStat Menus can help you keep an eye on system temperature. Hopfully this won't be an officially advice for the final Premium Graphics Client. I will start testing the beta/alpha-version in next few days. I'm curious about the performance on my system (imac c2d 2.16 ghz, xt1600). It will be. It's not a client problem, it's a hardware problem. Apple's laptops don't have enough cooling for dealing with both the CPU and GPU running at full-tilt; the fans won't automatically rev up to their highest speed and even when they do it's sometimes not enough. This is an Apple problem, CCP can't do anything about it. Originally by: Rees Noturana Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Oh crap... is the X1600 a 128mb or 256mb? Mine is 256mb and because I have tiger...then it's not just about upgrading to leopard for me. Damn it. So this is looking a bit grim. Our imacs currently don't work in either OS versions... To find out how much VRAM you have use: System Profiler > Hardware > Graphics/Displays The X1600 on my MBP is 128 MB and I've had pretty good luck other than the first night. The TransGaming guy mentioned earlier that there is a current issue with the X1600 that will cause the system to freeze and they are working on it. I would be surprised if 128MB cards will be able to play EVE well. The last time I checked, Mac OS X never shuts down Quartz Extreme (for the sake of comparison, a full-screen game will cause Vista to kill Aero) so the window manager will still be eating a fair bit of VRAM for all of the window operations it's doing. Mac OS X loves VRAM, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount actually usable to the client was 64MB or less on a 128MB card.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.19 20:11:00 - [173] At least CCP said that the X1600 iMac/MBP are the basis for acceptable performance. So it should run, another thing is what is considered acceptable performance...i mean look at the state of the mac client now (not premium) and it's definitely acceptable to CCP. Premium should run better than the current classic, but who knows if they add too much shine so that it will more efficient, but ultimately slower... So I'm hopeful it will run on the X1600 iMac.
Brawl Bodar	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:24:00 - [174] Transgaming = Fail. I had the same experiences with Cedega and Cider now and both are absolutely no good. I have much better performance with Darwine on OSX or with Wine on Linux. Even an EVE client running under VMWare Fusion beats the cr*p out of the Transgaming solutions which means that I am going to stick to my XP VM and my second PC to run EVE. I would have loved to see a usable Mac client at some stage but as long as Transgaming is involved I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel.. I am using a late 2008 Macbook with 10.5.6, 4 GB of Ram and a 256 GB SSD btw.. The dedicated EVE lapop is an old Samsung R70 Daryus and that runs EVE classic and premium faser than the Macbook in any case plus no overheating issues and I can run multiple clients without any issues..
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.20 18:51:00 - [175] Originally by: Brawl Bodar Even an EVE client running under VMWare Fusion beats the cr*p out of the Transgaming solutions which means that I am going to stick to my XP VM and my second PC to run EVE. I would wait for the Apocrypha beta before making such a judgment. The classic client is going away, and right now Fusion can only support up to SM2 while Premium requires SM3. Apocrypha will introduce a Lite client that uses SM2, but we don't know what the performance of that would be like.
SPACE L0RD	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:48:00 - [176] It will be. It's not a client problem, it's a hardware problem. Apple's laptops don't have enough cooling for dealing with both the CPU and GPU running at full-tilt; the fans won't automatically rev up to their highest speed and even when they do it's sometimes not enough. This is an Apple problem, CCP can't do anything about it. Disagree. There are plenty of 3D games that are just as graphics intensive (or more) and don't create the CPU load that the EvE client does. Native Mac games (non Cider port) will use the GPU for the bulk of the work and only modest CPU. Cider ports require massive CPU to translate the graphics API - ON TOP OF - the GPU which does the rendering. Honestly, if your playing EvE allot on your Macbook Pro, you should be doing it in bootcamp under XP or Vista. Otherwise your just going to kill it prematurely.
SPACE L0RD	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:51:00 - [177] Edited by: SPACE L0RD on 20/01/2009 22:51:13 Originally by: Brawl Bodar Transgaming = Fail. I am using a late 2008 Macbook with 10.5.6, 4 GB of Ram and a 256 GB SSD btw.. Running the eve client on an unsupported macbook with integrated graphics and then *****ing about how poorly it performs = bigger fail
Hagis McBree Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:55:00 - [178] Originally by: SPACE L0RD Edited by: SPACE L0RD on 20/01/2009 22:51:13 Originally by: Brawl Bodar Transgaming = Fail. I am using a late 2008 Macbook with 10.5.6, 4 GB of Ram and a 256 GB SSD btw.. Running the eve client on an unsupported macbook with integrated graphics and then *****ing about how poorly it performs = bigger fail not fail... it is a late 2008 model from the apple webpage "NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory3" this is above the recommended spec, and with 4GB of main memory the shared 256 isn't that much so no memory issue.
Rhogahh	Posted - 2009.01.21 13:02:00 - [179] Just installed Premium Beta. Looks really nice and the general feel about performance is about the same as in my classic client. I'm going to test combat too at some point. Black ships occur to me too so nothing new... Someone asked earlier about the memory leak when cmd-tabbing on fullscreen: it is there and results in hanging eventually, CPU %'s are high and after cmd-tabbing few times other applications slow down and become unusable eventually. One FPS issue I noticed occurs when the starmap and solarsystem maps are opened. I sometimes travel around with solarsystem map on. The FPS drops most of the time to 50% what it was before when switching to solarsystem view. In general, I value content/performance over looks. Adding new graphics is nice, but not as important as for example module lag issues on big (unexpected, so no node reinforcing) fleet fights, using missiles there is almost totally useless. The coming new missions (yes, more content!) in the new patch really sound like they are going to attract more people on EVE, and when and if that is going to happen, the big fights are in time sure to get even bigger... I'm running MBP with Intel Core 2 Duo 2,5Ghz; 4GB memory; GeForce 8600M GT w/ 512Mb vram; OS X 10.5.6
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.21 21:55:00 - [180] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 21/01/2009 21:55:48 Originally by: SPACE L0RD Originally by: Verite Rendition It will be. It's not a client problem, it's a hardware problem. Apple's laptops don't have enough cooling for dealing with both the CPU and GPU running at full-tilt; the fans won't automatically rev up to their highest speed and even when they do it's sometimes not enough. This is an Apple problem, CCP can't do anything about it. Disagree. There are plenty of 3D games that are just as graphics intensive (or more) and don't create the CPU load that the EvE client does. Native Mac games (non Cider port) will use the GPU for the bulk of the work and only modest CPU. Cider ports require massive CPU to translate the graphics API - ON TOP OF - the GPU which does the rendering. Honestly, if your playing EvE allot on your Macbook Pro, you should be doing it in bootcamp under XP or Vista. Otherwise your just going to kill it prematurely. I don't disagree with your final conclusion, but I do disagree with your initial assertion. The laptop overheating is Apple's problem, they didn't put adequate cooling in it. Whether the EVE client performs poorly under OS X or not, mere software requiring the full capacity of the computer should not require a properly designed computer to overheat. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf

Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.22 08:08:00 - [181] I've had a few mac laptops and yes they do get hot, but I haven't had a single overheating problems (with the exception of eve). If you do the math with only ventilation sure, it shows it will burn, but remember that these machines use their cover as a heatsink (and a quite effective one). I've done 3D rendering (GPU assisted) on full tilt on many occasions and everything was more or less running at 200% for hours. Did it get warm? Sure, did anything fail or blow up? No. How about not keeping them laptops on fluffy carpets and cats sitting on them. But I'm still furious with Apple. I can't use my laptop underwater. Bstards.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.22 12:43:00 - [182] Originally by: Hagis McBree not fail... it is a late 2008 model from the apple webpage "NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory3" this is above the recommended spec, and with 4GB of main memory the shared 256 isn't that much so no memory issue. It's still an integrated graphics card, not a discrete GPU as in the recommended spec. It's still shared memory, unlike the rec.spec., which means the amount doesn't matter much — it's the memory bandwidth that gets nuked when the graphics processing has to compete with the CPU for memory access. So no, it's not above spec.
Vio Lator	Posted - 2009.01.22 14:34:00 - [183] As far as i can see, its still better to run Eve via Bootcamp on a Mac ? :(
Radarboy IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.22 15:40:00 - [184] Edited by: Radarboy on 22/01/2009 15:41:27 Originally by: Vio Lator As far as i can see, its still better to run Eve via Bootcamp on a Mac ? :( Of course it is, this is a BETA version, it's not a finished product. I experienced some big, weird, purple silhouette of whatever ship I was in when facing stations and planets.
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.22 17:47:00 - [185] Originally by: Radarboy Edited by: Radarboy on 22/01/2009 15:41:27 Originally by: Vio Lator As far as i can see, its still better to run Eve via Bootcamp on a Mac ? :( Of course it is, this is a BETA version, it's not a finished product. I experienced some big, weird, purple silhouette of whatever ship I was in when facing stations and planets. I encountered this too. Turning shadows off seems to get rid of them.
Kayhar Gallente A Harmony of Risk and Prosperity	Posted - 2009.01.22 22:40:00 - [186] Edited by: Kayhar on 22/01/2009 22:44:24 Hey guys 1st post on these forums for me. I'm running the beta on a macbook pro 512mb nvidia geforce. It works extremely well so far from a speed point of view even giving me better fps than the classic client does. I usually only play eve on bootcamp for this very reason but now it seems this client will let me get rid of the partition. In this client i run between 25 and 40 fps in space. On the old classic client i run between 20 and 30 fps. Obviously it being a beta there were a few bugs listed below: -When i minimized the client by ship turned into a black box silhouette on and off for a couple of minutes. The rats i was fighting did the same. I have had issues with other games when minimizing and going back to the application so it may just be a mac os issue. -I launched my drones and in the brackets it said only 3 were in space out of the 5 however all 5 were out as i could see them attacking the rats. -When jumping there is no cloaking effect to be seen but i presume this is still just to be added. -The undock mini button was blurred when docked in station. Very impressed CCP. This will save me loads of bother having to load into windows.
Ardoreal	Posted - 2009.01.22 22:42:00 - [187] Probably mentioned already.....but.... Cloaking effect is missing. Ship just goes translucent with no transition. A note to the devs about the fan advice. From my iMac I have tried a few things, I used the smc fan control utility and concluded as long as your SMC is reset and the PRAM cleared...the system will cool itself adequately. CPU temp never gets higher than 110 and the GPU stays at 120, heatsink gets to 115. However the system will scale your fans up to speed for you to maintain temp. On my MBP it's a different story, and the smcfancontrol util is a must.
Drenin Nahz Caldari PieceCorp	Posted - 2009.01.23 07:18:00 - [188] I am having some issues that are graphics related. Sometimes shields on the ship when activated just turns into a square or circle with numbers on them. This also applies to missile effects, and sometimes fogs around missions etc. Is there any known fix for this?
Shin Chogan Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.23 10:58:00 - [189] Edited by: Shin Chogan on 23/01/2009 11:06:06 How disappointing, finally got some corp members online at the same time. Only about 5 of us with and a bunch of drones and it turns into a slide show on my MacBook Pro :( If I change the camera view so it is only showing empty space then I get about 20 fps but when I have a station and 5 ships plus drones it is about 3 fps. If I turn shadows off then I get back to 20fps all the time

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.01.23 16:56:00 - [190] Ok, I'll make a note to bring up the issue shadows with the Transgaming devs as that does seem to something that's affecting all users, not just specific chassis or graphic cards. Note: This does not mean we don't look at issues affecting specific versions of Mac, but something that's affecting everyone will probably get a higher priority than isolated incidents. In other news, we've managed to trace and fix the cause of the memory leak. There's also some work going on to address some texturing and shader handling issues which should result in better stability or performance (it might even fix the problem with switching on shadows). Once that gets checked in we will try to get an updated beta build out as soon as possible. This probably won't happen before the weekend but we'll try to get it out as soon as possible.


Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.24 01:07:00 - [191] Thanks for the update Whisper!
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.24 18:09:00 - [192] Any progress on the X1600 issue? I would actually like to test my imac with premium... Stop whining.
dafield	Posted - 2009.01.25 04:34:00 - [193] Ok, I didn't see anyone having this problem, so I'm hoping someone can point out a simple mistake I am making. 1. I normally play Eve on a PC that doesn't have that great of a graphics card, but none the less I run premium graphics with video settings set on the low end. 2. A month ago I bought a brand new 24" iMac, the best money can buy with the best graphics card, so I want to see Eve in all it's glory now that the Beta has been released. 3. I download and install the Beta Singularity install file from this post. 4. I start Eve and I'm at the Tranquility Server Login page (NOT the Singularity Server). Eve wants to run some patches, I comply and then it restarts. 5. Same thing... I'm still at the Tranquility Server login page. I log in and I have NO premium graphics option. 6. I thought if I downloaded the Beta it should take me to the Singularity Testing server automatically? Should I have not installed the patches or something? 7. What am I doing wrong? Tanner
KW Mech Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.25 04:58:00 - [194] I just downloaded the beta today and gave it a quick try. Now I don't want to go back to TQ and the Classic :( I'll give it a better test tomorrow, but I'm very impressed at first look!!
Hagis McBree Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.25 18:29:00 - [195] Originally by: dafield 3. I download and install the Beta Singularity install file from this post. 4. I start Eve and I'm at the Tranquility Server Login page (NOT the Singularity Server). Eve wants to run some patches, I comply and then it restarts. 5. Same thing... I'm still at the Tranquility Server login page. I log in and I have NO premium graphics option. 6. I thought if I downloaded the Beta it should take me to the Singularity Testing server automatically? Should I have not installed the patches or something? 7. What am I doing wrong? Tanner OK looks like you are starting the Classic Client.. did you follow these steps? Originally by: CCP Whisper To install the client, please download the client from this location. We recommend that you rename your already installed/existing EVE Online application to something like ôEVE Online TQö prior to installation, as the process will create a new EVE Online copy in your applications folder and could potentially overwrite an existing installation of EVE Online. The beta Premium graphics client will automatically connect to the test server Singularity. did you rename the Classic install? are you using a doc alias pointed to the classic client? if so make sue you are launching the correct client. Hope this helps.
Klyn Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.26 18:31:00 - [196] Today i tried the beta. I'm not very impressed. Just flew into a Lvl1-Complex. When the enemies started shooting, i got a (the) graphic-bug. Most textures got pink, the modules on the hud and the white text were garbled, grainy and intransparent. The music stuttered a lot, i had to turn it off. OS: OS X 10.5.6 ò CPU: 2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo ò RAM: 2GB ò VIDEO: ATI Radeon X1600 128Mb
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2009.01.26 21:23:00 - [197] After some initial installation issues, the premium client worked well for me (I did 1 L4 mission, no problems at all), except that my boot.ini was missing as was the right mouse button. System: iMac 24" 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo 2GB RAM ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro, 256MB, 1920x1200 fps: about 40 in station (not very good), 20-30 in an L4 pocket. As for the installation issues, I have no good description or explanation. I installed the classic client and it would not run, then the premium one, it also wouldn't run (but they always created the preferences directory). After deleting both and installing them again, they worked.
SPACE L0RD	Posted - 2009.01.27 15:05:00 - [198] I'm having texture issues in missions. Almost always see structures that look like a big ball of yarn or weird text printed on everything. Is this a common problem? Is the beta resolving any of this? Thanks.
Eint Truzenzuzex	Posted - 2009.01.27 20:19:00 - [199] Okay,my iMac a Core Due and not supportet. But i have upgraded from 10.4 to 10.5 for EvE. And i have to admit that where for the performance and stability a worse choise. I never encountered under 10.4 the "Stationtexturegetlostthing" or that slow performance, and the show info bug (clicking show info you are back on the desktop)
Toodleloo Gallente E.M.P. Industries Malum Exuro	Posted - 2009.01.28 05:07:00 - [200] D/L today and just ran about for a while - warping, gates, stations. No problems at all. No strange textures. Good performance. No rigorous tests, but initially seems fine. Mac Pro 2x2.8 ghz quad core 4GB ram NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB OSX 10.5.6 CCP, you are going to fix the windowed/fullscreen mode dropdown menu yes? I'd like to be able to switch between the two someday without having to edit the pref file.

Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.28 06:05:00 - [201] Will there be a update on SiSi before march? Of are we once again going on good faithful not-so-tested client? Stop whining.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:42:00 - [202] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Will there be a update on SiSi before march? Of are we once again going on good faithful not-so-tested client? You can't read the dev post 10 posts above?
Vint Rotach	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:43:00 - [203] Ahoy.. I turned on HDR and Shadows. Since then I just get a blank screen on loading the client, not even as far as the log in screen. Not enough info yet for a bug report. But just wanted to know. What do I need to delete to be able to 'reset' my Graphics prefs back to default? There an ini file hiding somewhere? Ta
Lezard Maltese	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:46:00 - [204] Originally by: Drenin Nahz I am having some issues that are graphics related. Sometimes shields on the ship when activated just turns into a square or circle with numbers on them. This also applies to missile effects, and sometimes fogs around missions etc. Is there any known fix for this? I have exactly the same issues with classic client.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.28 11:55:00 - [205] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Will there be a update on SiSi before march? Of are we once again going on good faithful not-so-tested client? You can't read the dev post 10 posts above? Nope, I'm blindfolded when it comes to devs. Doctors say it's a trauma from seeing one with pink hair, blowupdoll and overall looking like a pervert. Stop whining.
Soleramnus Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.28 16:18:00 - [206] Hey! I know that dude. EVE: TOTALHELLDEATH
Jeadhob	Posted - 2009.01.28 22:48:00 - [207] Loaded up the premium client. I see Zero increase in frame rate but i also didn't see it slow down at all. I have 11 macintosh computers around the house and office here and have tried both the regular and premium client on many of them. I expected to see some increase, especially on our newest hackintosh but really didn't see any improvement in that area. Shadows should be turned off. I just wish the client could offload more to the video card which would allow some speed ups. Eve is not very stable for me at all. I havn't figured out why, but on our newest water cooled hackintosh it is really unstable, lowering clock speed doesn't change stability so i'm guessing it is driver related.
Dreeder	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:13:00 - [208] Edited by: Dreeder on 28/01/2009 23:16:47 Installed and run fine, been flying about, running a couple of lvl4 missions and so far the only problem ive noticed is the cloaking not working and ships turning black (mine and npc rats) Framerates are about the same as the standard OSX client, which arent as good as the Crossover client... somewhere between 100fps in stations and 25-35 in missions. OS: OSX 10.5.6 - CPU: Macpro Dual Quad Core Xeon 2.8ghz - RAM: 10gb - HDD 3.25tb - NETWORK 20mb Virgin Media - VIDEO: NVidia 8800GT 512mb - DVD: Yes RESOLUTION: 1600x1000 windowed on a 24" Dell SETTINGS: Audio Disabled, everything else how it came out of the box. Just noticed the Log-Off button doesnt seem to work at all... which isnt good.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:17:00 - [209] Originally by: Dreeder Just noticed the Log-Off button doesnt seem to work at all... which isnt good. It's being fixed. I don't think it has ever worked (can someone correct me if I'm wrong?).
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.01.29 09:34:00 - [210] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer It's being fixed. I don't think it has ever worked (can someone correct me if I'm wrong?). I seem to remember that pre-Trinity it worked. After Trinity, well after Trinity it was crash-boom every 5-10 minutes Haven't used it since, I just hit the windows close button since I always play in windowed mode. This sometimes may lead to an crash tough.

Ben Sullivan	Posted - 2009.01.31 11:58:00 - [211] Edited by: Ben Sullivan on 31/01/2009 14:27:49 Sorry if this problem has already been covered but I'm short on time. Everything but GUI is white. =[ Help? Using the standard Macbook which I got in 2008. Cheers Oh and I meet all the minimum requirements stated.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2009.01.31 16:08:00 - [212] Edited by: Smagd on 31/01/2009 16:08:50 I've tested this on a new Aluminum MacBook with NVIDIA 9400M, 2.4GHz CPU and 4GB memory on Leopard 10.5.6. Run a level 4 mission and performance was very close to the old client. In fact I ran both concurrently in Windowed mode, and that worked well. I do get the black ship textures, and shield hardeners and some mission structures give me broken other textures, too, but performance is good enough, above some 15 fps. There's some key bindings that don't seem to work: Alt-F4 doesn't activate the module, where Alt-F3 and Alt-F5 work nicely and I haven't yet found the "Snapshot" key on my keyboard (but Mac-Shift-3 and 4 work). I've run a mission so far, did some looting and I'm now trying mining, looks good tho. CPU temperature doesn't go over 82 ¦C with two clients running.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.31 21:11:00 - [213] Originally by: Klyn Today i tried the beta. I'm not very impressed. Just flew into a Lvl1-Complex. When the enemies started shooting, i got a (the) graphic-bug. Most textures got pink, the modules on the hud and the white text were garbled, grainy and intransparent. The music stuttered a lot, i had to turn it off. OS: OS X 10.5.6 ò CPU: 2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo ò RAM: 2Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.GB ò VIDEO: ATI Radeon X1600 128Mb Damn. I think you are the first who I know, who has managed to PLAY premium with X1600!
Hagis McBree Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.01 03:07:00 - [214] Edited by: Hagis McBree on 01/02/2009 03:08:00 Originally by: Ben Sullivan Edited by: Ben Sullivan on 31/01/2009 14:27:49 Sorry if this problem has already been covered but I'm short on time. Everything but GUI is white. =[ Help? Using the standard Macbook which I got in 2008. Cheers Oh and I meet all the minimum requirements stated. Mmmm lets see.. Originally by: CCP Whisper OS: OS X 10.5.6 ò CPU: 2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo ò RAM: 1GB ò HD SPACE:6.0 GB ò NETWORK: 56k modem or better Internet connection ò VIDEO: ATI Radeon X1600 128Mb ò DVD-ROM: 2 speed DVD reader or greater required a macbook is it a white one you got in 08? if so then you DO NOT meet all the requirements, your video card is sub par. Sorry..
Ben Sullivan	Posted - 2009.02.01 16:54:00 - [215] Mmmm lets see.. Originally by: CCP Whisper OS: OS X 10.5.6 ò CPU: 2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo ò RAM: 1GB ò HD SPACE:6.0 GB ò NETWORK: 56k modem or better Internet connection ò VIDEO: ATI Radeon X1600 128Mb ò DVD-ROM: 2 speed DVD reader or greater required a macbook is it a white one you got in 08? if so then you DO NOT meet all the requirements, your video card is sub par. Sorry.. Are you **ING ME!? ** sake.
Ben Sullivan	Posted - 2009.02.01 17:04:00 - [216] Jesus **ing *** christ. Well, I know nothing about computers - I think this is my graphics card: Intel GMA X3100 Guess I'll have to upgrade it.=[ Thanks for telling me anyway.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.02 02:50:00 - [217] Originally by: Ben Sullivan Jesus **ing *** christ. Well, I know nothing about computers - I think this is my graphics card: Intel GMA X3100 Guess I'll have to upgrade it.=[ Thanks for telling me anyway. You shouldn't need to upgrade it, the X3100 is SM3 capable. Of course the performance is going to blow, but it's integrated graphics, so what do you expect?
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.02 09:49:00 - [218] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Ben Sullivan Jesus **ing * christ. Well, I know nothing about computers - I think this is my graphics card: Intel GMA X3100 Guess I'll have to upgrade it.=[ Thanks for telling me anyway. You shouldn't need to upgrade it, the X3100 is SM3 capable. Of course the performance is going to blow, but it's integrated graphics, so what do you expect? Well I'm running a X3100 on the macbook air and classic + premium are performing identically. It's a skill changing machine, but the stupid thing is that Eve is CPU hungry and thus it doesn't even use it to the max. I'm having like 40-60% of free CPU and it's free! Optimizing boys, optimizing... With that said, CCP said that premium should perform betters so it could be possible that Eve will run decently enough on these X3100 setups. It's another matter if it's "supported", but I personally think it's a ****ed idea to make a mac client that ONLY supports like this year mac models (not even all of them), and pretty much scraps everything else. I hardly think that the mac users are all using this year models. Also, we don't change or upgrade the frigging platform every year! I understand this is different from the PC side, but why have a mac client then. Oh well, enough of this rant. I hope the premium lite will get a significant boost in performance in the next month....hmm...actually, if it ships on March 10th with boxes also...then shouldn't they have the gold version already? Scary... Stop whining.
Ben Sullivan	Posted - 2009.02.02 10:14:00 - [219] Umm now I'm confused. I was told it was not going to work. Yeah, I see the GUI but nothing else... btw this is the beta for full premium not premium lite right? That should be fien to run...I hope
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.02 10:22:00 - [220] Originally by: Ben Sullivan Umm now I'm confused. I was told it was not going to work. Yeah, I see the GUI but nothing else... btw this is the beta for full premium not premium lite right? That should be fien to run...I hope If it supports SM3 then it should "run", but that's pretty much tossing a coin and hoping for it. If it works, good, if not...well it's not supported. I still think they will try and make it run on anything that's possible. Specially when you consider that Apple sells even today a laptop, that's not on the supported list. As for the premium to be lite or premium...no idea. I'm a bit scared that if they are only testing the premium...it would be nice to test the lite version also. But hey, I would just go for actually to be able to run the premium one a supported machine. That's a no no at the moment for me. I would be interested in knowing what happens if I currently play with a Eve-capable Mac, then after March it's not capable anymore... any refunds or is just "adios, thanks for the subcription money untill Christmas"

Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.03 08:09:00 - [221] Originally by: Ben Sullivan Umm now I'm confused. I was told it was not going to work. Yeah, I see the GUI but nothing else... btw this is the beta for full premium not premium lite right? That should be fien to run...I hope It's probably just a bug, the hardware is compliant. You haven't mentioned what version of Mac OS X you're on, for example. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Ben Sullivan	Posted - 2009.02.03 14:44:00 - [222] 10.5.6 it be.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.07 19:18:00 - [223] Since this thread has been so quiet lately, I thought I'd update the fine folks at CCP about my earlier promises of violence and reward based on the performance of the Premium Mac client. Violence: I held a Super Bowl (American Football championship) party last weekend and finally had a chance to try out my latest piece of cookware - the frying pan. That's a 15" cast iron skillet; perfect for feeding a small army of ravenous football fans. It's absolutely great for cooking duck, and came pre-seasoned (the better to eat you with...). It's also really, really heavy - theoretically speaking, getting hit with it would hurt like hell. Reward: I happen to have a few bottles left of some of the United States' best microbrew, Rogue Dead Guy Ale. I understand it to be quite excellent, and I think yee alcoholics at CCP would find that it fits in well with your drinking habits. Now according to my calendar, there are 31 days left until March 10th. On March 10th, I expect to be playing EVE on my Mac, and seeing at least a respectable increase in performance for the Mac client as compared to the current client, as this is what was promised to the Mac community. The metric I use for that is the POS test mentioned earlier in this thread, because that's where the current client's performance is the most unbearable. So come March 10th, will I be showering you with violent swings of a 15" cast iron skillet, or with delicious foreign beer? That will be up to you to decide. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
jinkoti boslin2	Posted - 2009.02.08 12:41:00 - [224] Ok, well when i first tried the premium beta, i got the purple ship of doom whenever i zoomed in.. Not good. I tried again with all the shadow settings turned off and wahey! Im running 10.4.11 on a macbook pro with a x1600 graphics card and with the shadows off the graphics seem fine, with a frame rate of around 29-30fps in space. The only problem now is that it throws an exception after about 5-10min and quits out.. Looks like its improving though.. Ill try to run some missions and see how the client fares, and if it keeps closing and i can get a bug report ill send it in asap. Keep on it CCP, i may not have to upgrade to 10.5.6 after all at this rate.. woop!
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.02.09 10:46:00 - [225] Originally by: CCP Whisper In other news, we've managed to trace and fix the cause of the memory leak. There's also some work going on to address some texturing and shader handling issues which should result in better stability or performance (it might even fix the problem with switching on shadows). Once that gets checked in we will try to get an updated beta build out as soon as possible. This probably won't happen before the weekend but we'll try to get it out as soon as possible. Any update on this (bolded part)? It's been more then 2 weeks since you made this statement.
MargeryStewartBaxter	Posted - 2009.02.09 13:47:00 - [226] I don't get a "do you want to update" window. Will there be an updated build soon? ... Version 6.10.77718 (Incompatible)
Aviaden	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:54:00 - [227] Does this Premium Graphics client allow you to add solar systems to the "Avoidance List" in the Map/Autopilot function? Try as I might, right-clicking with all tenacity, I can NOT add anything to the empty "Avoidance List" when I try to plan a multi-jump trip. Yes, the Kensington Trackball is configured to right-click when I press a certain button.

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.02.10 12:27:00 - [228] Casqade (See? He's not dead!) pointed out in this thread that we're having a few problems getting the Mac Singularity client ready. It is being worked on and we should have something ready for download later on today.

DauntlessK	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:05:00 - [229] Why does it say "incompatible (release)" when I attempt to log on? I just downloaded the client and it won't let me log on.
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.11 21:21:00 - [230] Originally by: DauntlessK Why does it say "incompatible (release)" when I attempt to log on? I just downloaded the client and it won't let me log on. Because the client you downloaded is the old one. You must wait for the new client (see the post above your). Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones

Zakgram Caldari Ore	Posted - 2009.02.12 12:14:00 - [231] Given the entire current MacBook / Pro lines run 9x00M GPUs, will a client be built that officially supports them?
iammatar ZER0.	Posted - 2009.02.12 22:27:00 - [232] Edited by: iammatar on 12/02/2009 22:29:59 System overload leads to high hardware temps (power supply >80 Celsius, GPU >70) . Now i know what exactly broke my PC video card. CCP should get some reimbursement policy for broken hardware.
Serge Merov	Posted - 2009.02.13 05:36:00 - [233] I was on my mac pro (I think gfx card is a ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT). I launched premium and logged onto sisi successfully. Was in station in a rifter, and it looked damn beautiful. Then I undocked and it hung. I was running in windowed but it still ended up hanging the whole OS, including cursor movement after a while. Force restarted, logged in again, got to loading the ship in space and..... crashed, again. Haven't tried on my late '08 MBP yet, but from what I can read premium beta's down for the moment ... Just thought I'd let you guys know. Good luck with the patch!
Jinrai Ji	Posted - 2009.02.21 20:08:00 - [234] so...whats the the status?
Debrascy	Posted - 2009.02.22 13:42:00 - [235] Originally by: Jinrai Ji so...whats the the status? I second that :) I would love to try the new client on my alu macbook.
Telsyn	Posted - 2009.02.25 17:53:00 - [236] Hi there Downloaded rest beta Client from link posted here 1hr.47min renamed my existing client installed the Sing Beta client to have the message incompatible version so looked for conversion patch from TQ to Sing found link nothing there no patch to be found at the end pf the link. Can someone advise where this patch to make this supposedly easy straight forward connection for us Mac users to the Sing Server work please. It would appear that the invitation is an empty one. Telsyn
Tommy Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.25 18:12:00 - [237] I'm **ed off too! I made a copy of my EVe client (there is no fuill singularity client for mac yet) and downloaded the singularity patch - it refuses to patch the damn thing, says it is incompatible. I tried the older sing patch. Nothing. How the hell do you expect us to test this if we are unable to run the damn client. I'm not getting my hopes up though. Has anyone tried the Premium client on in crossover games? it's a pile of ! At the end of the week, if you want to play games then use windows for sake. I don't blame CCP for the **nessd of Cider (whcih infact use to be GPL license) I'm sticking with the classic and if the final version of this does not work then i'm off back to everquest 2 because id on't know why i should have to install windows just because you lot are unable to get cider to play nicely with EVE online.
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.25 18:58:00 - [238] There used to be a classic client and a classic client patch for sisi. You would have to copy the client or install a new copy and patch it with the patch. That's the regular way of doing things. They then introduced a beta for premium. Not a patch: a complete install. Then they deployed the Apocrypha test server on sisi. Since they did that the mac premium beta can be downloaded and installed, but it cannot connect to any server. They have NOT YET updated it. So there is no premium beta available at the moment. There ALSO is no sisi patch available because that cannot exist at all: the classic client is not supported on SiSi any more. Neither Mac nor Windows. In other words: if you are on a mac you cannot conect to sisi, at the moment. If you are on a windows platform that does not run the premium client, you cannot connect to sisi, at the moment. As of march 10, if you are on a windows platform that does not support premium light (whatever that will be) you will not be able to play any more. If you are on a Mac ... your future is yet to be defined. Military experts predict it will be closely tied to whether Maria Kalista bytes herself or not. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan
Rellik Sadab	Posted - 2009.02.25 21:55:00 - [239] When will the Beta be updated so that it works again. Mine is at version 5.20.73201 and it says that it is incompatible with Singularity and that there are no updates for this. When do we get to try out the new features on Singularity with the new mac version?
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.25 23:40:00 - [240] Originally by: Rellik Sadab When will the Beta be updated so that it works again. Mine is at version 5.20.73201 and it says that it is incompatible with Singularity and that there are no updates for this. When do we get to try out the new features on Singularity with the new mac version? Short Answer: We don't know Long Answer: The gut feeling is "not soon". CCP appears to be waiting on Transgaming to knock out Cider bugs at this point. Currently the Apoc beta is not running correctly under Cider. CCP and Transgaming have given us no indication of when this might be (all indications are that something went horribly wrong, CCP was expecting to have a Mac Apoc beta ready weeks ago) and trying to fix strange bugs in Cider is not an easy task. I don't think there's anyone on the face of the Earth that knows when the beta will be ready. And there's still an outside chance we won't have a working client come M10. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf

Telsyn	Posted - 2009.02.26 13:06:00 - [241] Hi there Downloaded rest beta Client from link posted here 1hr.47min renamed my existing client installed the Sing Beta client to have the message incompatible version so looked for conversion patch from TQ to Sing found link nothing there no patch to be found at the end pf the link. Can someone advise where this patch to make this supposedly easy straight forward connection for us Mac users to the Sing Server work please. It would appear that the invitation is an empty one. Telsyn
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.02.26 15:20:00 - [242] You're pulling our leg, right? Or you need a few more levels of EVE macintosh forum reading skills...... Originally by: AkRoYeR ...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die! Best game ever!
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.26 23:09:00 - [243] Originally by: Maria Kalista You're pulling our leg, right? Or you need a few more levels of EVE macintosh forum reading skills...... Maybe he foolishly looked at the sticky in the main forum and followed the instructions in it. The fact that this isn't available yet is clearly advertised on the main forum shows a certain lack of sensible practice. You can troll the guy for not reading every thread of a geeky sub-forum rather than the clear instructions on the main page if you like, but information shouldn't be that hard to find.
Hagis McBree Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.27 15:38:00 - [244] OMG Originally by: CCP Mephysto Mac installer for Sisi available here.
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.02.28 04:19:00 - [245] Originally by: Hagis McBree Edited by: Hagis McBree on 27/02/2009 19:01:41 OMG Originally by: CCP Mephysto I've removed the link for now. Theres a new file being built to match the update thats going to Singularity in the morning. I will post a link to that once its been checked. What torture method did you use to get that juicy news out of them? Originally by: AkRoYeR ...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die! Best game ever!
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.28 15:07:00 - [246] Originally by: Maria Kalista What torture method did you use to get that juicy news out of them? He makes them byte their own tongue. Seems it works. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan
Reyn Atriedes Minmatar United Kings DEFI4NT	Posted - 2009.03.01 15:49:00 - [247] So what's the word on the new client?
ChadMichaels007	Posted - 2009.03.05 08:03:00 - [248] Any news yet? I've been cruising the other threads and have been unable to locate anything..... Any one else find anything out?
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.03.05 08:25:00 - [249] Nope. Nothing new. They've barricaded themselves once again under their 'terror rock of silence'. You know what they say; 'no news is good news', then again that was probably what the Linux guys where thinking too. Originally by: AkRoYeR ...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die! Best game ever!
Kernel Flux Intaki Armaments	Posted - 2009.03.05 14:19:00 - [250] I find it extremely disheartening to see the client's behavior deteriorate so much since last spring, and apparently little done to correct it. I play EVE a lot - mostly on my iMac, and have experienced all of the problems enumerated here and elsewhere. What disturbs me most at this point is that we don't have a beta client to test, with only 5 days to release. I would much rather have a stable client under Quantum Rise than any other shiny things at all. Random crashing/exceptions thrown/bizarre graphics does not make for a fun gaming experience. I also run the PC client under crossover, which works mostly, but would greatly prefer a decent Mac client. I'm trying to stay optimistic about the new release, but given what we've seen so far am really not very encouraged. -------------- We build the stuff you need! Call for more info.

ChadMichaels007	Posted - 2009.03.06 07:24:00 - [251] I just wanted to let you know that the Premium SiSi is back; I just downloaded it and it appears to be installing. You can get it here Mac Premium


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