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Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:06:00 - [361] Originally by: Ron Bacardi Damn it, I have an alt doing nothing but training right now but already has salvaging and probing trained to 4. Why didnt i think of this earlier? Thanks for the ideas guys!!!1! Set destination: Motsu Forget Motsu. The best salvage is in Amarr space, second best in Minmatar space. I suggest the Sasoutikh or Lustrevik systems. ........... The Fighting Republicans are recruiting!
Ron Bacardi SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:10:00 - [362] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Ron Bacardi Damn it, I have an alt doing nothing but training right now but already has salvaging and probing trained to 4. Why didnt i think of this earlier? Thanks for the ideas guys!!!1! Set destination: Motsu Forget Motsu. The best salvage is in Amarr space, second best in Minmatar space. I suggest the Sasoutikh or Lustrevik systems. Solid, thanks for the tips dude!
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:11:00 - [363] Originally by: Casiella Truza particularly rude mission runner.
Morsus Argent	Posted - 2009.02.17 23:15:00 - [364] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker In other words, I am assisting Darwin by culling the weak. This is one of the most stupid things said in this entire thread, and that's saying something.
Stinky McPoopyPants Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.18 00:39:00 - [365] Can you tell me again why you think its a bad thing? The batteries in your new TI-X30 calculator are capable of recharging by themselves. Do not attempt to replace them. Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or
Epegi Givo Amarr Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 02:16:00 - [366] I actually think making salvage flaggable is a good idea, because you are taking something quite valuable without much of a risk, even less of a risk than that of the mission-runner. Present me with an argument against this and I will happily defeat it for you. ------------------------------------- My other alt is a Ferrari
Madman Murry	Posted - 2009.02.18 02:27:00 - [367] Stolen from public domain sources. Marine salvage is the process of rescuing a ship, its cargo, or other property from peril. Salvage encompasses rescue towing, refloating a sunken or grounded vessel, or patching or repairing a ship. Today the protection of the environment from cargoes such as oil or other contaminants is often considered a high priority. "Salvors" are seamen and engineers who carry out salvage to vessels that are not owned by themselves. When salvaging large ships, they may use cranes, floating dry docks and divers to lift and repair ships for short journeys to safety towed by a tugboat. The aim of the salvage may be to repair the vessel at a harbour or dry dock, or to clear a channel for navigation. Another reason for salvage may be to prevent pollution or damage to the marine environment. Alternatively the vessel or valuable parts of the vessel or its cargo may be recovered for its resale value, or for scrap. My point being, "Salvage" is owned by no one. Which is why it's called salvage. I agree that it's sucks to be robbed, but that is the nature of salvage.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:01:00 - [368] Originally by: Epegi Givo Present me with an argument against this and I will happily defeat it for you. You first. Don't you know who I am? We're Recruiting!
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:21:00 - [369] Originally by: Epegi Givo I actually think making salvage flaggable is a good idea, because you are taking something quite valuable without much of a risk, even less of a risk than that of the mission-runner. Start with defeating these: 1. Nothing is taken — it's created the same was activating a mining laser on an asteroid (unless we should start flagging people for mining). 2. The risk is about the same as for mission runners (should we flag them too?) 3. Even if the risk is lower for salvaging, the effort is higher (so the entitlement is the same for both parties). 4. Ask miners if the introduction of can-flipping was a good idea. 5. If it's that valuable, why don't mission runners take care to collect it as soon as possible? 6. Salvaging is a legal and legitimate profession, the same as mission-running and trading (should we flag those two? MkII) ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:32:00 - [370] Here's a clue. If you blow up another players ship, do you own the loot in the wreck or the wreck? No, if you loot it, you refresh the aggression flag cause you stole from that person. With NPC rats, CCP decided to give into the carebear whines, and they let the killer, and not the killed, own the loot. It should, in fact, belong to the NPC rat that got killed, and re-aggro your flag towards the NPC corp (not that it matters anyways, but still). Salvage is different. Wrecks are free-for-all to salvage if they come across it, and if they have the tools (a salvager) to take it. Salvage is a nice way for new players to make some isk, and I encourage new players to train probing skills just so they can find mission runners and salvage the wrecks. This is a good way for the new players to get some isk, and a good way to get a glimpse into the missions the "big boys" are doing. Then you have the carebears who start moaning about owning the wrecks on top of the loot. First CCP lets you have the loot, and now you want the salvage to belong to you as well? Greedy carebears. Why do I salvage wrecks in missions? The truth? Because I love how angry some carebears get. I don't need the salvage, in fact, compared to just running my own L4's I'm losing money by probing and salvaging other people's missions. But I get the carebear tears, and I love it. Sorry, but the more you whine, the more fun it is. You want whoever salvages "your" wrecks to be flagged so you can shoot them. Hey, please add this to the game. Instead of people flying around flipping jet-cans, people will fly around and salvage your wrecks, for the sole purpose of making you shoot them so they can blow up your pretty mission boat. Do you think it would be the slightest bit less frustrating to do missions when you have people flying around you flashing red while you are engaged with rats? But, I rather vote for this, to keep the balance between easy-mode carebear farming in high sec and keeping EVE a dangerous place. If a person is doing missions in low-sec, the salvage will belong to whoever killed the rat. In high-sec the salvage remains free for all. This way, if you really want that extra loot to belong to you, then you take a bit of a risk with your freebie-isk-grinding. Freaking easymode carebears farming missions in high-sec and demanding even more stuff to belong to them as default is the very essence of the problem in EVE in regards to turning it into Hello! Kitty Online. Less padding for carebears and more risk involved with earning more isk. Heck, that could even be a slogan: "More risk is more isk!" Even rhymes. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Mephesto Nizal	Posted - 2009.02.18 15:26:00 - [371] Leave the junkers alone, thats what salvagers are.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.02.18 16:16:00 - [372] Originally by: Morsus Argent Originally by: Joe Starbreaker In other words, I am assisting Darwin by culling the weak. This is one of the most stupid things said in this entire thread, and that's saying something. I agree, Darwin is a load of bunk. I was just using a common pop-culture reference. ........... The Fighting Republicans are recruiting!
Morsus Argent	Posted - 2009.02.18 18:22:00 - [373] Originally by: Misina Arlath Why do I salvage wrecks in missions? The truth? Because I love how angry some carebears get. I don't need the salvage, in fact, compared to just running my own L4's I'm losing money by probing and salvaging other people's missions. But I get the carebear tears, and I love it. Sorry, but the more you whine, the more fun it is. I'm just quoting this because it's amusing. But probably not in the way intended. Originally by: Misina Arlath You want whoever salvages "your" wrecks to be flagged so you can shoot them. Hey, please add this to the game. Instead of people flying around flipping jet-cans, people will fly around and salvage your wrecks, for the sole purpose of making you shoot them so they can blow up your pretty mission boat. Maybe you should switch your brain on before typing. If those people really wanted to do that, they already could by taking the loot. Funnily enough, that doesn't seem to happen much, despite all the talk in threads like this from 'ninja' salvagers saying they'd love it if salvaging flagged and they got attacked, because of course they really want a fight, which is why they (mostly)... don't take the loot... It can only be concluded that 'ninja' salvagers are, for the most part, idiots, wusses, or both.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.02.19 06:03:00 - [374] Confirming that I take the loot. ........... The Fighting Republicans are recruiting!
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.19 07:31:00 - [375] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Originally by: Solomon Weyland Just blow up any wrecks they go for, all of them if necessary. Its the simple solution. You will still get the money from bounties and the mission reward itself. All they will get is wasted time and probes. This only encourages those who do it for the grief caused rather than the ISK gained. we love both my friend well mannered ah*
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.19 07:36:00 - [376] Originally by: St3v3sancho All this talk of people going to court and who owns what items is such garbage. It's a GAME. lol. truest post of the thread well mannered ah*
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.19 07:41:00 - [377] Originally by: Belmarduk Originally by: Chruker Why the hell is the loot protected by the aggression system when the salvage isnt? That doesnt make any f..... sense This I STILL feel that the salvage from MY Mission belongs to me - ever since salvage was introduced.Period Ninja-Salvagers are hiding behind the aggression system.Period Make it so that EVERYTHING is freely lootable or that EVERYTHING is not.Period If someone takes my salvage in highsec I want to be able to kill him.Period Oh my....you are so tetchy, do you have your. Period ? well mannered ah*
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:49:00 - [378] Originally by: Morsus Argent It can only be concluded that 'ninja' salvagers are, for the most part, idiots, wusses, or both. Coming from an Alt who's afraid to post with their Main, or open up their Corp/Alliance to wardec (NPC Alt, anyone?) your words mean nothing. And you can ask my 100+ Corpmates why they choose to be in a Corporation and not hiding out. It can only be concluded that you, my sad little friend, are pathetic. We're Recruiting!
Morsus Argent	Posted - 2009.02.19 14:09:00 - [379] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Coming from an Alt who's afraid to post with their Main, or open up their Corp/Alliance to wardec (NPC Alt, anyone?) your words mean nothing. And you can ask my 100+ Corpmates why they choose to be in a Corporation and not hiding out. It can only be concluded that you, my sad little friend, are pathetic. Touch a nerve did I? And are you saying you actually would issue a wardec over a forum post? Because if you wouldn't, then you have no point, and if you would, then it would seem entirely sensible to post with an alt to avoid the hassle of idiots who'd declare war over a forum post. And regardless, the reasoning of my post stands by itself. It makes no difference who says it, it's still true. It's always quite revealing to see who attacks the poster instead of the post though...
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 14:59:00 - [380] Originally by: Morsus Argent I'm hiding in an NPC Corp, and pretending to play with the "Big Boys" who actually get EvE. Shhhhhh! I've seen your kind before. You're a troll, and I'll pay you no further mind. If you ever do become relevant, let me know. We're Recruiting!

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:06:00 - [381] I have created a monster.. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:33:00 - [382] Originally by: CCP Prism X I have created a monster.. ...and her name is Tchell Dahhn. Empress of Dodixie, Master of the Threadnought. I am to Ninja Salvaging what Chribba is to Mining. And for that, New Eden thanks you! We're Recruiting!
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:38:00 - [383] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Casiella Truza particularly rude mission runner. Taking mission objectives is petitionable and more importantly, bannable.
Morsus Argent	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:43:00 - [384] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn I've seen your kind before. You're a troll, and I'll pay you no further mind. If you ever do become relevant, let me know. Yeah, not exactly countering my point about people who attack posters instead of posts, are you? If I was wrong, you could simply point out the flaw in my reasoning. And yet, you don't. Odd that. And seriously, doesn't all that cognitive dissonance give you a headache?
Cikulisuy Amarr Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:47:00 - [385] because its not stealing nub> you cant mine so you kill.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:56:00 - [386] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Taking mission objectives is petitionable and more importantly, bannable. Sorry, but that's not true. Certainly, you can petition it, but you won't get anywhere with that. An enterprising Mod might 'give' you the Mission Item (which is wrong) or they might reset your Mission for you (also wrong), but more likely than not, they'll tell you to either turn in the Mission incomplete, or else, wait for it to reset on its own after downtime. And it's also not a bannable offense. Mods have stated that purposefully griefing Players in a Starter System is a no-no, but even then, I don't believe Mods are outwardly banning accounts without a stern warning ahead of time. We're Recruiting!
T3 Alt Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2009.02.19 15:57:00 - [387] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Casiella Truza particularly rude mission runner. Taking mission objectives is petitionable and more importantly, bannable. Sure it is!
Casiella Truza White Rose Society	Posted - 2009.02.19 17:07:00 - [388] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Casiella Truza particularly rude mission runner. Taking mission objectives is petitionable and more importantly, bannable. Either way, he got it back the next day and (I assume) turned in his mission.
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.02.19 17:39:00 - [389] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Casiella Truza particularly rude mission runner. Taking mission objectives is petitionable and more importantly, bannable. LOL. Where'd you make up that rule? Anyways, empire carebears don't need to be coddled any more then they already are. Did you know there was a time when cans weren't even flagged for a particular owner? Yes. Amazing isn't it?
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:57:00 - [390] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Coming from an Alt who's afraid to post with their Main, or open up their Corp/Alliance to wardec (NPC Alt, anyone?) your words mean nothing. And you can ask my 100+ Corpmates why they choose to be in a Corporation and not hiding out. It can only be concluded that you, my sad little friend, are pathetic. To be fair, Tchell, you do hide behind the 50-million-ISK war declaration fee by joining an alliance even though you're almost a solo corp. ........... The Fighting Republicans are recruiting!

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