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Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:01:00 -
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In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Jump bridges-
Why they are bad: mitigates the scale of the galaxy, promotes blob warfare.
Titans-
Why they are bad: over 2000 of them in game, no upkeep cost, little to no risk to deploy, etc. etc.
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
Feel free to add your own.
I'm a pirate in a pirate's body. -á Intelligence shouldn't be free. -á-á-áMining, reloaded.
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Antymateria
Section42
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:12:00 -
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Lets look what they will throw at you...
+1 from me. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
499
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:17:00 -
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You are blatantly wrong.
The worst design change in the history of EVE was nerfing Myrm drone bandwidth down to 75mbit/s.
This has affected all areas of gameplay, from drone trade volumes to more boring PVP, basically all the things that are wrong in New Eden were caused by this mistake. |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:17:00 -
[4] - Quote
According to the forums, a lot of people feel this way about each of those items...just not very strongly.
in before l2adjust rants
Edit:
Roime wrote:You are blatantly wrong.
The worst design change in the history of EVE was nerfing Myrm drone bandwidth down to 75mbit/s.
This has affected all areas of gameplay, from drone trade volumes to more boring PVP, basically all the things that are wrong in New Eden were caused by this mistake.
I wish I'd been around for that, myrm is so purty |
Pop Bear
16
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:18:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Warp to zero-
What ya smokin bro?
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:22:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Jump bridges-
Why they are bad: mitigates the scale of the galaxy, promotes blob warfare.
Titans-
Why they are bad: over 2000 of them in game, no upkeep cost, little to no risk to deploy, etc. etc.
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
Feel free to add your own.
Lets debunk these one by one.
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Two ships with two slightly similar functions. One does not make the other obsolete.
Jump freighters-
Still need a cyno to jump? With some intelligent observation you can figure out a supply chain and cripple that chain.
Jump Bridges-
What is the point of owning space if you can't control at least some of the gates. These hardly promote blob warfare.
Titans-
Are a problem, but there are less than 1000 in the game. And they are being balanced in the upcoming expansion.
Moon Goo-
Don't print isk. The isk comes from producers of T2 goods.
Furthermore, this is a terrible troll post. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project
Shadow Rock Alliance
213
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:22:00 -
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I agree with everything except this one:
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
They do not fullfill the same role. Interdictors are good for catching gangs of large ships.
Inteceptors are also good for catching small stuff. In lowsec (FW) they are also very valuable because you cannot use bubbles.
Fix FW ! |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
532
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:27:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Jump bridges-
Why they are bad: mitigates the scale of the galaxy, promotes blob warfare.
Titans-
Why they are bad: over 2000 of them in game, no upkeep cost, little to no risk to deploy, etc. etc.
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
Feel free to add your own.
Lets debunk these one by one. Interdictors- Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles. Two ships with two slightly similar functions. One does not make the other obsolete. Jump freighters- Still need a cyno to jump? With some intelligent observation you can figure out a supply chain and cripple that chain. Jump Bridges- What is the point of owning space if you can't control at least some of the gates. These hardly promote blob warfare. Titans- Are a problem, but there are less than 1000 in the game. And they are being balanced in the upcoming expansion. Moon Goo- Don't print isk. The isk comes from producers of T2 goods. Furthermore, this is a terrible troll post.
Pretty much what I was gonna say.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Ai Shun
663
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:37:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Feel free to add your own.
Having security status on systems.
CONCORD.
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Liam Mirren
450
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:40:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Furthermore, this is a terrible troll post.
Yup, your post is indeed.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Tear Miner
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:40:00 -
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2/10 |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp
AAA Citizens
20
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:43:00 -
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i see another gate camper crying. who has the buckers?
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1318
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:47:00 -
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Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
The stupid is strong in this one.
Jesus H. Christ 
You know... morons. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
254
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:50:00 -
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There's been a few.
P Alliance Wardec Nerf - If they just rolled back Wardecs to the point prior to this it would be better than any of the ideas they've come up with for Inferno
Every CONCORD buff ever made - CONCORD is just so anti Sandbox, and every buff it receives is CCP repeating the same mistake over and exacerbating the problems it causes
Incursions - Could have been awesome new content that brought new conflict and drama to EVE built around story and lore. Instead we were given PvE Raids that belong in some horrible Themepark MMO that destroyed the Risk vs Reward balance and shat on EVE's lore and what few RPers still play or care about this game.
Agree with OPer on Jump Freighters, Jump Bridges, and Titans being bad additions to the game, wouldn't count them as the worst. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
1024
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:56:00 -
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Not updating your clone used to have serious consequences.... like losing all your sp down to 90k.
CCP Y U NO KEEP THAT?!
(Gò»-¦-ö-¦n+ëGò»s+í Gö+GöüGö+ |
Tiberius Rhavinia
Fatal Endeavors Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:02:00 -
[16] - Quote
1: Nano Nerf
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy
Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:05:00 -
[17] - Quote
Agree with all except interdictors.
so that would be +0.8 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
672
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:24:00 -
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Tiberius Rhavinia wrote:1: Nano Nerf
lol nano ships were gay and needed to go, hth |
Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
57
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:45:00 -
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You don't like warp to zero? So if you need to get somewhere faraway fast and u gotta warp to 15 k from every gate and approach in every single time? Thats your idea of a fun game????  |
Serene Repose
Perkone
Caldari State
621
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:51:00 -
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warp/scram took the fight out of fighting, introducing a five-year-old's sense of scale and proportion...quite appropriate for CCP, come to think about it.
Peter Raptor wrote:You don't like warp to zero? So if you need to get somewhere faraway fast and u gotta warp to 15 k from every gate and approach in every single time? Thats your idea of a fun game????
Proper prior planning prevents poor performance.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
YuuKnow
204
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:16:00 -
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I agree with most, but not all of these points.
I remember I put up a warp to zero complaint a few months ago and all the whiners came out of the wood work... . Its an entire galaxy of space..... by its *supposed* to be a vast and distance travel.
As for moon goo. Null sec is supposed to be a lucarative place.
Andrey Wartooth wrote:Are a problem, but there are less than 1000 in the game. And they are being balanced in the upcoming expansion.
I wouldn't call nerfing the unholy crap out of them to the point they are a big pinata "being balanced". CCP pretty much threw up their hands saying that they don't have a clue what to do with these things... we'll just make them so that no one even wants to fly one... |
Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
30
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:22:00 -
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Some of your reasoning isn't awful, but mostly you just ***** and moan about how much better everything used to be. Which makes you a tool.
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Yeah, there's role overlap, but that's not the same as obsolescence. Intys are useful.
Quote:
Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
So... you wanna go back to when carriers did the same thing with haulers in the SMA? You want to have freighter-haul fleets from empire out to deep null and back? Have you considered how soul-crushingly boring that would be?
Quote:
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Riiight, let's go back to the days when the server was crashing from the thousands of instas everyone had. Because the bookmark UI is just awesome to deal with in the first place.
You've got a bit of a point that the universe is too small, but the universe is always too small. I'd rather see changes to warp speed than a return to pre-WTZ.
Quote:
Jump bridges-
Why they are bad: mitigates the scale of the galaxy, promotes blob warfare.
Titans-
Why they are bad: over 2000 of them in game, no upkeep cost, little to no risk to deploy, etc. etc.
I've been a lowsec pirate most of my life, so no real input here.
Quote:
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
Feel free to add your own.
Basic economics - this isn't ISK printing, it's passive resource generation. Rat bounties and insurance payouts are isk printing.
There has to be something to fight over-- if not resources then what exactly do you suggest? Besides, didn't they introduce moon goo when they introduced T2? You're reaching pretty far back there son |
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:30:00 -
[23] - Quote
Having forums:
This this thread is on them. |
Cyprus Black
Golden Shellbacks
Surely You're Joking
192
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:30:00 -
[24] - Quote
This thread-
Why it's bad: The OP has no clue what he's talking about.
He's just a parrot repeating what other trolls are saying.
You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo.
So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |
Spurty
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
234
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:46:00 -
[25] - Quote
/me rolls eyes
I will concede that there is brokenness here.
The need for people in Null to come to High Sec daily for shopping and be able to do this with very little effort just says the Universe is pretty tiny at the end of the day.
Null sec dwellers should have everything + Pirate versions of things out there in Null sec.
Why pirate gear is even allowed in High sec = why people will never leave it. EVERYTHING'S HERE!!
Clamp down on Pirate gear, CONCORD anyone with Pirate stuff (Implants, Ships, modules), suddenly people that crave that stuff will feel compelled to move out of the safety zone. Give people 30days warning, then BOOM, ships and pods.
NOTE: There is no forcing going on here by the way.
You do NOT have to :
- fly those ships
- wear those implants
- fit those modules
- undock
Learned the above points from a CCP video (True)
Just my tuppence
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
40
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:48:00 -
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Poasting in yet another crybaby thread  |
Bully Hedro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:54:00 -
[27] - Quote
Spurty wrote:/me rolls eyes
I will concede that there is brokenness here.
The need for people in Null to come to High Sec daily for shopping and be able to do this with very little effort just says the Universe is pretty tiny at the end of the day.
Null sec dwellers should have everything + Pirate versions of things out there in Null sec.
Why pirate gear is even allowed in High sec = why people will never leave it. EVERYTHING'S HERE!!
Clamp down on Pirate gear, CONCORD anyone with Pirate stuff (Implants, Ships, modules), suddenly people that crave that stuff will feel compelled to move out of the safety zone. Give people 30days warning, then BOOM, ships and pods.
NOTE: There is no forcing going on here by the way.
You do NOT have to :
- fly those ships
- wear those implants
- fit those modules
- undock
Learned the above points from a CCP video (True)
Just my tuppence
I don't know much about nullsec. Why do nullseccers have to come to hisec everyday? Can't they build most of their own stuff in null sec stations, POSes and outpost? Or is it the need for faction gear? |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:26:00 -
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Bully Hedro wrote:
I don't know much about nullsec. Why do nullseccers have to come to hisec everyday? Can't they build most of their own stuff in null sec stations, POSes and outpost? Or is it the need for faction gear?
They don't
As it stands right now.
Things that can only be purchased initially from NPC traders in high-sec
BPO's (most)
PI (the power station or whatever it is called)
Skill Books
I am sure there are some others but daily runs a requirement, hardly.
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Tri Vetra
Ascetic Virtues
42
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:55:00 -
[29] - Quote
ECM is so incredibly stupid |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
330
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:30:00 -
[30] - Quote
The only thing right in the OP's list is Jump Bridges, everything else makes perfect sense.
Damn nature, you scary! |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
181
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:31:00 -
[31] - Quote
Removing images from signatures.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
579
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:21:00 -
[32] - Quote
Xorv wrote:
Every CONCORD buff ever made - CONCORD is just so anti Sandbox, and every buff it receives is CCP repeating the same mistake over and exacerbating the problems it causes
.
No, the biggest mistake in the game was creating EVE, implementing the concept of loss and actually lossing items, then allowing people with a self entitlment issue to dictate that they have the right to nuke people into oblivion and its ok. This was so 5k subs online.
Then you get CONCORD in its current form. TO REDUCE THE RANDOM ASSHATTERY that you can dictate by smashing up people in EVE...its consequences to your ability to smash up people. See, there is this thing called people and its more then just you...all players pay to play the game and if you lose it so badly the first time why would anyone continue to pay for a game they can barely play...while you pay to play the game with no consequences to yourself. Bad for business for CCP, and CONCORD only interrupts against unsanctioned acts against another player....don't want CONCORD then don't gank (cause you can still attack them regardless) or wardec them or GTFO of highsec where its the only possible to have CONCORD sticking donut confectionary covered fingers in your ass.
tl;dr - CONCORD is a balance and equalizer, it never prevents or stops. One player adapts to the point they are like rampant vermin, the other player can't adapt as well. So CCP has to buff them everytime they determine by their discretion how its being abused, without offending the abusing party completely.
Also, worst mistake CCP has ever done is not implementing total loss. If you can throw away a ship and it doesn't feel like a loss when you lose it to CONCORD...its not a loss to you and you don't want anyone to do anything that prevents your self entitlement of doing what you want of causing loss to the other guy (buff hulks, increase CONCORD reaction times, make HS total SAFE!). So, the best form of total loss would be in the form of skill point removal whenever your ship is destroyed; not just T3. You cause the miner to lose SP in ORE ships, you lose SP in your gank boat...but this applies as well in null/low/high where ever you can cause someone to lose SP when ever you destroy their ship without CONCORD intervention...because the SP loss would be tied to destruction of your ship. Simple and effective method to implement a feeling of soul crushing loss everyone...now time loss in the form of skill points would be the new standard and not an isk ratio (since cost is never a factor according to Tippia and no one wants a hulk that dies well with ****** bonuses to get a buff) |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
342
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:26:00 -
[33] - Quote
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:i see another gate camper crying. who has the buckers?
I've got rickets, managed to avoid getting buckers though
WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Barakach
R-ISK
Shadow Operations.
51
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:34:00 -
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Why do low/null sec people complain about high sec so much? If they don't like high sec, then stay out of it. Is it that hard?
When I poke myself in the eye, it hurts.. STOP DOING IT! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1544
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:42:00 -
[35] - Quote
To the OP...
Why do you play?
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1327
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:46:00 -
[36] - Quote
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Interdictors let fleets be lazy. The problem isn't that interceptors are obsolete, it's that they're underused due to a shortage of competent pilots.
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Why it's good: bookmarks not crashing servers, and taking away the "I have bookmarks for this gate and you don't" advantage.
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
My understanding of moon goo was that it was a market good, and no new isk was generated.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
181
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:48:00 -
[37] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:[quote=Xorv]
No, the biggest mistake in the game was creating EVE, implementing the concept of loss and actually lossing items, then allowing people with a self entitlment issue to dictate that they have the right to nuke people into oblivion and its ok. ITT: Wanting to shoot spaceships is self entitlement, wanting immunity for your spaceships isn't.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
605
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:55:00 -
[38] - Quote
Interdictors-
Disagree. It's a ship w/ a bubble. A small one at that... those dictors are flying coffins. It's balanced.
Jump Freighters-
Agreed - Proposed fix: Remove jump drives from jump freighters, give them instead double the cargo hold of a standard freighter and maybe buff the already extensive armor and shields some more. Allow them to transport caps. Seems like a fair trade in terms of maintaining ship value for JF pilots while fixing a big logistical problem that should never have been introduced.
Warp to zero-
Disagree. Two words: Regional - Bookmarks
Jump bridges-
Agreed - proposed fix: remove them.
Titans-
Agreed - proposed fix: Turn them into Nomad Ships
Moon goo-
Agreed - Proposed fix: The mining moon mins in planetary rings seems like a really good idea.
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Kieron VonDeux
9
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:00:00 -
[39] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession. Why it's good: bookmarks not crashing servers, and taking away the "I have bookmarks for this gate and you don't" advantage.
A fix would be to not allow BM creation on Grid with a Stargate and remove warp to zero.
Then you would need a gangmate to spot a warp-to for insta jumps.
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:04:00 -
[40] - Quote
YuuKnow wrote:I agree with most, but not all of these points. I remember I put up a warp to zero complaint a few months ago and all the whiners came out of the wood work... . Its an entire galaxy of space..... by its *supposed* to be a vast and distance travel. As for moon goo. Null sec is supposed to be a lucarative place. Andrey Wartooth wrote:Are a problem, but there are less than 1000 in the game. And they are being balanced in the upcoming expansion. I wouldn't call nerfing the unholy crap out of them to the point they are a big pinata "being balanced". CCP pretty much threw up their hands saying that they don't have a clue what to do with these things... 'we'll just make them so that no one even wants to fly one...' On a side note: I think its been pretty aparent that CCP doesn't really know how most of their changes are going to play out... they just try things and sees how they go... and when they realize they're messed up they have a hard time figuring out how to fix their goofs. yk
Hey, look here. It's another Titan crybaby. Maybe if you and your titan owning friends hadn't decided to go and blap that CCP subcap fleet these titan nerfs wouldn't have even happened.
Don't blame CCP for your poor impulse control. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:05:00 -
[41] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Interdictors- Disagree. It's a ship w/ a bubble. A small one at that... those dictors are flying coffins. It's balanced. Jump Freighters- Agreed - Proposed fix: Remove jump drives from jump freighters, give them instead double the cargo hold of a standard freighter and maybe buff the already extensive armor and shields some more. Allow them to transport caps. Seems like a fair trade in terms of maintaining ship value for JF pilots while fixing a big logistical problem that should never have been introduced.Warp to zero- Disagree. Two words: Regional - Bookmarks Jump bridges- Agreed - proposed fix: remove them.Titans- Agreed - proposed fix: Turn them into Nomad ShipsMoon goo- Agreed - Proposed fix: The mining moon mins in planetary rings seems like a really good idea.
An alliance that doesn't own systems, and likely lives in lowsec shouldn't dictate on things they know nothing about |
ElQuirko
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
579
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:09:00 -
[42] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:
Proper prior planning prevents poor performance.
Wrong - Prior Preparation Prevents Pizz-Poor Performance. You obviously know very little about British military sayings.
(P-aye-ss is a bad word, apparently.)
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Kieron VonDeux
10
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:13:00 -
[43] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
An alliance that doesn't own systems, and likely lives in lowsec shouldn't dictate on things they know nothing about
Designing to an end user's desires may be good in software development but not in game design.
That is a recepe for abuse.
As well, just because someone doesn't live in null sec now doesn't mean they never have, and their opinion is just a valid as anyone elses. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
605
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:14:00 -
[44] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:An alliance that doesn't own systems, and likely lives in lowsec shouldn't dictate on things they know nothing about
There was a time I lived in null and had great fun, until certain things were introduced or nerfed and incentive to own null space was removed. Your assumption that I live in low sec is correct (I'm -10 nice deductive power). However, some goon tool posting on a goon alt certainly shouldn't be questioning my credibility. If you have something to say do so and try to justify it with some rationale. Otherwise, some tool with less than half a year of game time just appears douchy trying to assert authority over a guy w/ half a tril in ships & has been playing for over 6 years.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1549
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:16:00 -
[45] - Quote
In general I have to agree, although there are issues with each point I could argue.
Since many of these issue are related to making things too easy, travel in particular, I'll make just two suggestions.
1: If warp to zero were removed, you would need to remove the ability to set a bookmark within 15km of a gate or station.
2: Jump freighters are only part of the issue. The truth is the entire concept of Jump travel needs to go.
If you want to move a cap ship fleet, it should be done via conventional means. This means that logistically it is a large and time consuming proposition (one not taken lightly). It also means that your cap ships are very vulnerable on the move unless properly supported.
No more hot drops, no more surprise mass invasions (at least not with Caps/Super Caps leading the way).
Some would argue that this would be far too boring... I would argue that the opportunities for ambushing your enemy while they are moving their fleet would lead to far more frequent engagements.
Well planned and guarded freighter convoys would be needed again for moving materials, far more conventional traffic in and out of Null (and Low for that matter).
Regional trade centers assume a position of importance again, and EVE suddenly becomes a much bigger and more formidable place.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
48
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:24:00 -
[46] - Quote
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Jump bridges-
Why they are bad: mitigates the scale of the galaxy, promotes blob warfare.
Titans-
Why they are bad: over 2000 of them in game, no upkeep cost, little to no risk to deploy, etc. etc.
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
Feel free to add your own.
WOW you clearly don't get it.
But I can understand that coming from a DoV member.....Just sit in Decon, play station games with noobs, and quietly stfu.
Jita will Burn-á 4/28/12
Angry Monkey Podast Host
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:24:00 -
[47] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:An alliance that doesn't own systems, and likely lives in lowsec shouldn't dictate on things they know nothing about However, some goon tool posting on a goon alt certainly shouldn't be questioning my credibility.
Geez, I post with an alt and people tell me to post with my main. I post with my main and people still tell me to post with my main. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
606
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 18:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:Gogela wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:An alliance that doesn't own systems, and likely lives in lowsec shouldn't dictate on things they know nothing about However, some goon tool posting on a goon alt certainly shouldn't be questioning my credibility. Geez, I post with an alt and people tell me to post with my main. I post with my main and people still tell me to post with my main.
If that is your main it doesn't change much of what I said... in fact it rather supports my argument, wouldn't you say?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1549
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:31:00 -
[49] - Quote
Having played in Null before many of these things came to be... things would be very different and frankly a lot more hard core without them (or at least with a greatly restricted version of them).
Most of these things came into the game to make the players life easier.
Unfortunately, they suceeded.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 18:36:00 -
[50] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:Gogela wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:An alliance that doesn't own systems, and likely lives in lowsec shouldn't dictate on things they know nothing about However, some goon tool posting on a goon alt certainly shouldn't be questioning my credibility. Geez, I post with an alt and people tell me to post with my main. I post with my main and people still tell me to post with my main. If that is your main it doesn't change much of what I said... in fact it rather supports my argument, wouldn't you say?
Not really. Your alliance lives in another type of space separate from nullsec. It doesn't hold any space at all. I'd say that your alliance probably has a bit of a bias when it comes to making other areas of space broken. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
606
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:55:00 -
[51] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:Gogela wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:Gogela wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:An alliance that doesn't own systems, and likely lives in lowsec shouldn't dictate on things they know nothing about However, some goon tool posting on a goon alt certainly shouldn't be questioning my credibility. Geez, I post with an alt and people tell me to post with my main. I post with my main and people still tell me to post with my main. If that is your main it doesn't change much of what I said... in fact it rather supports my argument, wouldn't you say? Not really. Your alliance lives in another type of space separate from nullsec. It doesn't hold any space at all. I'd say that your alliance probably has a bit of a bias when it comes to making other areas of space broken.
Well... I will say that null space in theory is where I would like to be. I've been stewing in low sec not by choice but because I feel like I've been forced there. I've been waiting for CCP to fix null sec for a very long time... and that is how I would characterize my situation. Just waiting. What I do in low sec is kind of pathetic relative to what I did when I was in null. We used to camp gates... but not like low where now it's just 1-3 of us (which is really sufficient for piracy) but with 20-50 because people used to actually have to escort freighters through null. Imagine huge fleets flying in support of freighter runs through null! It was awesome (and actually I've seen the russians to it to this day around Uaemon going towards Drone regions - tip of the hat). Now the concept of escorts and scouts is gone. Why walk when you can teleport. There are no logistics in eve. There is only a fricking intragalactic transporter. Push button receive bacon. No risk, no need for coordination, no need to plan out null sov holdings because spacetime and distance are rendered moot by jumping. At one point holding space on the rim was really hard because getting s*** to empire was a big pain in the a**. Now, frack what's the difference? All space is strategically the same. Resources are pretty much conformal throughout null. Who cares if you own one section of null over another? Does it matter who your neighbors are? nope. There's a reason most of the major alliances have stopped caring and are off doing silly stuff. Look at PL. They almost look like TEST. It's because they don't care. So do I have a bias? You bet your a** I do... I want to see people actually WANT null again. I want to move back to null... but not without a reason. It needs to make sense in ISK and fun gameplay terms, otherwise why do it? Hell... I'll bet the directors of YOUR OWN corp agree with me conceptually if not with my approach. Talk to them...
You still haven't made any kind of substantiated argument, fyi.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
517
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:00:00 -
[52] - Quote
t2 bpos
faction warfare since its done wrong
war decs since just griefing tools
bounty hunting since done wrong
moon goo
incursions in general were stupid too, i'm sure sansha will invade and fail for another decade but w/e
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
230
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:04:00 -
[53] - Quote
- The T2 BPO lottery, hands-down the most stupid thing so far. It should have been a combination of active research agent mission running to 'licensing', T2 BPC, and research characters reverse engineering T2 BPC from datacores and T1.
- Anything that reduces the differences between races and their factions. The ridiculous ease of cross-training all the races (should have been a 200& penalty), the ease of travel between space of different factions, both in speed in safety, removal of racial attributes, no incentives or penalties to make sure players initially stick to their own regions, tons of stations being in 'foreign' regions, no restrictions on pirates ship in empire, no pirate 'empire'.
- CCP taking almost 10 years to finally start considering to think about perhaps doing maybe something about mining itself.
- Making titans combat ships owned by individuals, instead of mobile stations operated by a corporation (like a pos). And with only 30m ISK per shot that turned from a 'last resort' weapons into 'just for lulz'.
- Jumpclones. The rot in three roots of EVE: choices must have consequences, don't fly (or implant) what you can't afford to lose, the vastness of spaces
- Making T3 a ship that only takes a few months to train into, at which point you can do everything all T1 and even T2 ships can do, but better. Result: everyone, their mom AND their dog is flying them. It should have been the non-capital 'endgame' ship for veterans desperately looking for places to spend SP (and no skill-loss, but all rank 10 skills or worse).
- Changing the Caldari functional and modular ship-design into flat bricks. Also the new Scorpion and Ibis made by the symmetry-Gestapo are just heart-breaking (though I don't like the new 'fidgety' Maller, nor the new 'clean' Minmatar style either).
- The renaming bullshit of the missiles and various other modules. Trying to make things more comprehensible by throwing out vast amounts of unique 'flavour' and sentiment, never once consulting the community, and then replacing it with huge generic 'names' and still forgetting half. If CCP Gnauton was replaby a bunch of monkeys it would hardly been worse.
- Giving the Tr3 BC ... EIGHT... high slot turrets AND the damagebonus AND enough fitting-reduction to fit all of the largest guns so they basically out-damage most battleships, make a mockery out of HACs and sent the other BC to the museum.
- COSMOS being a half-arsed attempt at actually engaging PvE content and then leaving it like a dog tied to a tree in the woods.
Tri Vetra wrote:ECM is so incredibly stupid
Not as stupid as people that can only think in one-dimensional terms of tank & gank
CCP, fix the forum's image tags http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
Cleaner warbills, anti-memberpadding, no price-shielding large corps:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1141323#post1141323 |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
493
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:06:00 -
[54] - Quote
Your opinion is wrong. |
Teiret
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:53:00 -
[55] - Quote
In no particular order:
AURUM
Did I win?! |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
608
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:04:00 -
[56] - Quote
Teiret wrote:In no particular order:
AURUM
Did I win?!
A devil's advocate counterarguement might be, if it wasn't for player rage at aurum CCP might still be ignoring spaceships. In a roundabout kinda way it might have been the best thing for the game 
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Ghoest
333
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:05:00 -
[57] - Quote
1 Jump Freighters - The whole point of EVE was supposed to be fighting over moving resources.
2 Bubbles - they make it too easy to kill transort ships at gates.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Kieron VonDeux
10
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:35:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ghoest wrote:1 Jump Freighters - The whole point of EVE was supposed to be fighting over moving resources.
I have to agree that some of my most exciting times in this game were during Alliance Frieghtor moves into deep null sec back in late 06 early 07.
All this Jump everything since then has really removed some of the most rewarding Pvp aspects of the game. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
283
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:36:00 -
[59] - Quote
I can haz ur stuffs, OP?
But yes, jump-bridges need to go--just remove and re-imburse, because they're dumb.
The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:28:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:In general I have to agree, although there are issues with each point I could argue.
Since many of these issue are related to making things too easy, travel in particular, I'll make just two suggestions.
1: If warp to zero were removed, you would need to remove the ability to set a bookmark within 15km of a gate or station.
2: Jump freighters are only part of the issue. The truth is the entire concept of Jump travel needs to go.
If you want to move a cap ship fleet, it should be done via conventional means. This means that logistically it is a large and time consuming proposition (one not taken lightly). It also means that your cap ships are very vulnerable on the move unless properly supported.
No more hot drops, no more surprise mass invasions (at least not with Caps/Super Caps leading the way).
Some would argue that this would be far too boring... I would argue that the opportunities for ambushing your enemy while they are moving their fleet would lead to far more frequent engagements.
Well planned and guarded freighter convoys would be needed again for moving materials, far more conventional traffic in and out of Null (and Low for that matter).
Regional trade centers assume a position of importance again, and EVE suddenly becomes a much bigger and more formidable place.
+11 |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
232
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:I can haz ur stuffs, OP?
But yes, jump-bridges need to go--just remove and re-imburse, because they're dumb.
Just make them really expensive. No more quick trips to empire to buy cheap skillbooks or making easy money two regions further south where there are more sanctums and less intruders. But still the capability for the alliance if necessary to gather decent numbers quickly to defend a strategically important resources.
So basically it should be expensive for personal use, but when alliance interests are at stake, the decision could be made by the higher-ups that the cost of jumping a fleet through is worth it.
THAT is how it should have been from the start and the same goes pretty much for every one of those shiny toys the alliances use to do unbalanced stuff.
CCP, fix the forum's image tags http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
Cleaner warbills, anti-memberpadding, no price-shielding large corps:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1141323#post1141323 |
Smofuggra
Creep Factory
Interspacial Dynasty
7
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:57:00 -
[62] - Quote
Jump Drives.
Remove them.
Other than physical contact with a woman I've never had an erection like the one I had the few times I'd seen freighters in lowsec, ungaurded.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
641
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:02:00 -
[63] - Quote
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Oh god yes +1
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
184
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:03:00 -
[64] - Quote
I got all excited then - thought you were going to point out that there is only 1 interdictor worth flying and why. instead you spaked ******** shyte about interceptors. gf. |
Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
8
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:31:00 -
[65] - Quote
Capitals were the end of the beginning.
Supercapitals were the beginning of the end. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
172
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:41:00 -
[66] - Quote
Smofuggra wrote:Jump Drives.
Remove them.
Other than physical contact with a woman I've never had an erection like the one I had the few times I'd seen freighters in lowsec, ungaurded.
The logoffski drive is a powerful protective force
I don't think I've ever seen a Freighter in lowsec with a "stable" internet connection. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
612
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:59:00 -
[67] - Quote
Patient 2428190 wrote:Smofuggra wrote:Jump Drives.
Remove them.
Other than physical contact with a woman I've never had an erection like the one I had the few times I'd seen freighters in lowsec, ungaurded. The logoffski drive is a powerful protective force I don't think I've ever seen a Freighter in lowsec with a "stable" internet connection.
I lost a really sweet Charon one time due to his unstable internet connection. It broke my heart. The change in aggro mechanics in that situation would have granted me the kill. +1 to CCP for that... Even my solo Nighthawk could have taken it down w/ those 15 bonus minutes.
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Smofuggra
Creep Factory
Interspacial Dynasty
8
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:19:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ah but the best part is seeing every piece of scum in lowsec come out of the woodworks just to kill it and loot it.
It's like throwing a t-bone steak in front of pack of wolves that have been starved for weeks.
CCP we need moar YARRRR!!11!!11one1one!!11...
Actually I honestly wonder what happened to CCP's lust to nurture those individuals of moraly unsound judgment and greedy ambitions; Mittens notwithstanding. Piracy in this day and age is not dead -- its just been horribly disfigured into something less than exciting.
While we're at it... F*ck cov-ops cloaks on transports.
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Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:24:00 -
[69] - Quote
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Jump bridges-
Why they are bad: mitigates the scale of the galaxy, promotes blob warfare.
Titans-
Why they are bad: over 2000 of them in game, no upkeep cost, little to no risk to deploy, etc. etc.
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
Feel free to add your own.
Worst game design by far is allowing you to post terrible threads OP, don't post
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Sam Chadelanne
The Unclaimed
Unclaimable
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:40:00 -
[70] - Quote
I might not be as old as some other people but from what i have seen with out these the game would allow for every single person going into low sec have a GIANT RED BULLS EYE THAT SAYS HEY I AM SLOW COME AND KILL ME |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
421
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:44:00 -
[71] - Quote
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Including the "jump" command from across the node?
So you can now warp to zero and jump?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS
(updated) |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
614
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:20:00 -
[72] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Including the "jump" command from across the node? So you can now warp to zero and jump?
Man are some of these guys forgetting what it was like before warp-to-zero or was it just before their time? It was the most annoying thing about eve by a long shot. I think WTZ was the only feature I've ever seen introduced that was greeted by the community with virtually unanimous agreement and joy.
[WTS] Forge Region GTG BMs 100 mil ISK
F*** that.
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Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian
Narwhals Ate My Duck
46
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
This is the only explanation for the removal of wt0 that I agree with. If there was a way to get that back without making lowsec impossible to traverse I'm all for it. |
Cpt Arareb
Ideal Machine
Many Reckless Corps
14
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:13:00 -
[74] - Quote
"Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession."
I completely agree with this |
FeralShadow
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.04.20 03:48:00 -
[75] - Quote
Didn't read most of the posts.
1: Warp to Zero: The bm's needed fixing, I appreciate that. There should be someway around it while keeping away from WTZ. atm i'm just too stupid to think of anything.
2: JF's are pretty dumb, it would be nice to go back to normal freighter hauling but you know that was in the days when the nullsec chokepoints weren't camped like.... all the time.
If you read to the end of this post you just got a little bit dumber.
"I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
267
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Posted - 2012.04.20 08:04:00 -
[76] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:
1: Warp to Zero: The bm's needed fixing, I appreciate that. There should be someway around it while keeping away from WTZ. atm i'm just too stupid to think of anything.
This is easy, just imagine a sphere around a gate that pulls you out warp at 15 km from the gate. Like a bubble, but obviously you can warp away from inside it. So making insta BMs would be pointless because you'd still get pulled out at 15 km from the gate.
The only problem with removing WTZ is that it would promote gate camping. |
Ch3244
Azule Dragoons
Sspectre
92
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Posted - 2012.04.20 08:09:00 -
[77] - Quote
CONCORD should be removed
I would also like the ability to make my ship shapeshift into an asteroid, and to be aggro'd when miners try to destroy my rock. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
231
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Posted - 2012.04.20 08:12:00 -
[78] - Quote
For the cyno thing with Jump freighters and alike... what if... CCP made it so cynos couldn't be made within 5km of a stargate or a station? :) |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
141
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Posted - 2012.04.20 08:29:00 -
[79] - Quote
Whiny babbies that live in the illusion of entitlement.
Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism.
Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á
Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
469
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:47:00 -
[80] - Quote
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Jump bridges-
Why they are bad: mitigates the scale of the galaxy, promotes blob warfare.
Titans-
Why they are bad: over 2000 of them in game, no upkeep cost, little to no risk to deploy, etc. etc.
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
Feel free to add your own.
Lol @ tears. Let me see if I get this straight:
Interdictors: show me where the nasty sabre touched you?
Jump freighters: there simply are no jump freighter kill mails, it's impossible to kill a jump freighter. Oh wait. No it's not, and there are plenty of kill mails to prove it. Plus, I dare you to move an ihub in a jump freighter... How about learning to play EVE?
Warp to zero: Pro-tip: set up your camp on the OTHER side of the gate...
Jump bridges: I think your problem with these is realted to your inability to catch people. Maybe you should train for a sabre? Ahh no, you don't like bubblers...
Moon goo: Not one single moon has ever created one single isk. Your failure to understand EVE's economy is pretty much in line with your failure to understand everything else about EVE. No wonder you are frustrated. |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
627
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 11:14:00 -
[81] - Quote
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
I hate how when im flying through low sec a bubble is on the gat- Oh wait! Null and WH space only, hardly obsoletes Interceptors
Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1334
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 13:31:00 -
[82] - Quote
Kieron VonDeux wrote:A fix would be to not allow BM creation on Grid with a Stargate and remove warp to zero.
Then you would need a gangmate to spot a warp-to for insta jumps.
...thus making it impossible to scout gates for drag bubbles.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
695
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 13:34:00 -
[83] - Quote
Likes on the forums without bringing in the "Support" button for Assembly Hall. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:35:00 -
[84] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Mors Sanctitatis wrote:Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Oh god yes +1
Why? Do you think the 75% of people living in Highsec care about Null Bear Jump Freighters?
We neither care for, nor need, Jump Freighters.
You should realize that by supporting nerfing Jump Freighters, you are betraying Null Bears everywhere.
And yeah, DOUBLE... TRIPLE..... QUADRUPLE ..... whatever needs to be done Jump Freighter fuel needed for a jump.
....
Forget that. This is Eve.. this is CCP... who needs to try out changes? Who needs small changes to see the results!
REMOVE THEM ENTIRELY. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1334
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:43:00 -
[85] - Quote
Bubanni wrote:For the cyno thing with Jump freighters and alike... what if... CCP made it so cynos couldn't be made within 5km of a stargate or a station? :)
I had a similar thought, but was thinking "on grid at all". What if stargates and stations both had local cyno jammers or presented too large a gravitational disturbance or whatever CCP wants to claim as a mechanic, and cyno fields had to be lit at other celestials or in safe spots? This would make the jump freighters vulnerable and require defensive fleets.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
97
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:27:00 -
[86] - Quote
Random thought: Suppose they removed warp-to-zero/bookmarks for high-sec only?
Occasionally plays sober |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
222
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:35:00 -
[87] - Quote
Dominion.
They gave EVE Sov to Dust years ago and we just swallowed it but screamed like children when they put a monocle in the game. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:52:00 -
[88] - Quote
Tobias Sjodin wrote:Whiny babbies that live in the illusion of entitlement.
you do?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 17:07:00 -
[89] - Quote
the whole incarna barbie thing. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
474
|
Posted - 2012.04.22 20:29:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jett0 wrote:Random thought: Suppose they removed warp-to-zero/bookmarks for high-sec only?
And then absolutely no one will ever make tactical bookmarks and overload the database again, right? Oh wait, now you're going to suggest removing bookmarks entirely aren't you? |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
208
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Posted - 2012.04.22 21:35:00 -
[91] - Quote
T20
Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
237
|
Posted - 2012.04.22 21:37:00 -
[92] - Quote
Worst design changes...
THIS FORUM.
Why? No big yellow font.., too laggy... crap background laggy image...
HIGHSEC
Why? More focus on making it 100%safesec
CCP
Why? No focus on the game, don't finish anything they say they will do. No direction. Just random adhoc panic reaction mode to whines or reacting to cancelled accounts. ANd the biggest reason, THEY ARE LIARS. HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE LIARS and HAVE BEEN CAUGHT TWO FACE LYING saying one thing to their customers and the opposite thing in the press with regard to their direction on the game. Look at Incarna lol, oh its the future of eve, in the press, its a beta test for Wod, to us, oh no it's just a side game now. Uhh, do you have a business plan at all outside of "Oh poop" sync meetings at the coffee machine? there are Agile companies and then there are frAgile companies, CCP is the latter :)
Accounts per player focus
(ties in with the last one).
Too much focus on multi accounts per customer, too much focus on multiple toons just to play the game. Game is just broken if you need more than one account toon, I play with one, why can't you? Go out and get more NEW unique customers, not try to double, triple, quadriple up on existing ones. we saw that during Incarna, that is not a good business plan :) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
439
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Posted - 2012.04.22 21:38:00 -
[93] - Quote
Lord Fargo wrote:Worst game design by far is allowing you to post terrible threads OP, don't post
That would be forum design.
They don't have amazing people like deadtear to save us from badposting, pity them.
Take all the tech
Build all the titans
Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
238
|
Posted - 2012.04.22 21:47:00 -
[94] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lord Fargo wrote:Worst game design by far is allowing you to post terrible threads OP, don't post That would be forum design. They don't have amazing people like deadtear to save us from badposting, pity them.
Well if they allowed us to post formatting and some javascript maybe we could do better posts to impress you with . |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
427
|
Posted - 2012.04.22 21:51:00 -
[95] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote: 75% of people living in Highsec
links?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS
(updated) |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.04.23 06:48:00 -
[96] - Quote
Tri Vetra wrote:ECM is so incredibly stupid
Was missing this on the front page.
"Neuting is so incredibly stupid"
"Remote Repping is so incredibly stupid"
"Dampening is so incredibly stupid"
"Warfare Links are so incredibly stupid"
"45+km points are so incredibly stupid"
"Blobbing is so incredibly stupid"
"Black Ops cyno bait so incredibly stupid"
"100mn Tengu's are incredibly stupid"
"A Frig killing Tier 3 BC is so incredibly stupid"
"Suicide Camping is so incredibly stupid"
"Solo Campers using a neutral Orca is so incredibly stupid"
...
I have 50 more examples where ECM looks like harmless. But I am too lazy to post them.
Result: "EVE is so incredibly stupid"??? |
Gantz Tleilax
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.04.23 07:57:00 -
[97] - Quote
Changing the sound effect on the mining lasers from "shruuuuuush" to "sufoommmm". What were they thinking? |
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
455
|
Posted - 2012.04.23 08:08:00 -
[98] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: 75% of people living in Highsec links?
Actually, I think it's closer to 60% of the population is living in high sec, as per the Eve Fanfest Economy presentation. And the population that has moved into WH space to fill it has migrated there from 0.0 and lowsec, not from highsec.
All of CCP's efforts to entice carebears out of high sec and into 0.0 etc. have been an absolute failure because they're not using a big enough differential in the rewards. High sec needs to be a barren wasteland of opportunity: massive transactional taxes on market orders, almost zero bounties for mission rats, lousy mining etc.
CCP has already proven that it's current game design is completely ineffective in getting the majority of the player base to move out of high sec. It's time for a change.
I'm a pirate in a pirate's body. -á Intelligence shouldn't be free. -á-á-áMining, reloaded.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
White-Lotus
559
|
Posted - 2012.04.23 08:13:00 -
[99] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:Mors Sanctitatis wrote:In no particular order:
Interdictors-
Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles.
Jump Freighters-
Why they are bad: ruins the entire concept of a vulnerable logistics chain.
Warp to zero-
Why it's bad: almost too numerous to list- radically reduces the relative size of the galaxy, removes speed differential between ship classes for traveling, removes risk, damages/reduces the effectiveness of regional markets, reduces trading viability as a profession.
Jump bridges-
Why they are bad: mitigates the scale of the galaxy, promotes blob warfare.
Titans-
Why they are bad: over 2000 of them in game, no upkeep cost, little to no risk to deploy, etc. etc.
Moon goo-
Why it's bad: ISK printing is bad, mmmkay?
Feel free to add your own.
Lets debunk these one by one. Interdictors- Why they are bad: completely obsoletes an entire class of ships- Interceptors. Provides instant gratification w/ bubbles, invalidates/reduces need for static bubbles. Two ships with two slightly similar functions. One does not make the other obsolete. Jump freighters- Still need a cyno to jump? With some intelligent observation you can figure out a supply chain and cripple that chain. Jump Bridges- What is the point of owning space if you can't control at least some of the gates. These hardly promote blob warfare. Titans- Are a problem, but there are less than 1000 in the game. And they are being balanced in the upcoming expansion. Moon Goo- Don't print isk. The isk comes from producers of T2 goods. Furthermore, this is a terrible troll post. Pretty much what I was gonna say.
so everyone is on board with warp to zero being a bad change yet? I've been waiting 5 years :P |
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
455
|
Posted - 2012.04.23 08:13:00 -
[100] - Quote
I've updated the OP a bit. Those who have posted whining about changes that have made the game easier for them: just because it makes your life slightly easier doesn't mean it's the best thing for the game. It's not like the game is harder just for you. It's harder for everyone.
When you give away the time cost for everything in the game, each decision becomes inexpensive. If you make a mistake, it doesn't impact you as much because there is little time cost involved per each transaction (decision). Making each decision have a heavy time cost means each decision needs to be more carefully considered. This will reward the smart and punish the stupid.
The players who are afraid of changes such as I have posted are the one's who are worried the most about being punished for their mistakes because of their incompetence. Hence, they want to "keep Eve the way it is". It's not a bad thing for Eve to be a harsh, hard world to exist in. If anything, it makes being successful all the more gratifying.
I'm a pirate in a pirate's body. -á Intelligence shouldn't be free. -á-á-áMining, reloaded.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
White-Lotus
559
|
Posted - 2012.04.23 08:18:00 -
[101] - Quote
Ptraci wrote:Jett0 wrote:Random thought: Suppose they removed warp-to-zero/bookmarks for high-sec only? And then absolutely no one will ever make tactical bookmarks and overload the database again, right? Oh wait, now you're going to suggest removing bookmarks entirely aren't you?
? what? how would making no bookmarks overload the database?
IF LOW sec had a 15km bubble on each gate no matter what, same with high sec, that would be amazing, and tacical bookmarks wouldn't work they would still get you 15km off the gate.
Personally I would go for 10km. |
Calhontor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:20:00 -
[102] - Quote
While i actually agree with most of what the OP says (maybe you need to be a bitter vet) i can tell you what i feel was the WORST change ever:
Making warp scramblers deactivate your MWD.
This totally changed pvp in a massive way and i cant see why they did it tbh , i mean they buff arazu and nerf rapier and i still dont understand why they didnt just keep webs as they were.
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