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Nex Prenuncius	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:32:00 - [301] Wow I am so gonna "WIN EVE" when this change goes through. It will make me so freaking ub3r and unstoppable that not even a 1000 man fleet of dreads + 100 titans will be able to stop me after I change around the 5 measly points from my character every 6 months. /sarcasm off
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:38:00 - [302] tbh this will ruin eve. don't let this go through ccp
SillyWaif Galactic Kingdom	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:42:00 - [303] Edited by: SillyWaif on 16/02/2009 22:42:30 Apparently lots of previous posters haven't even tried the feature. This character can only take away 1 point from charisma and put it elsewhere, to name an example. If I would put it in perception or willpower it would save me 4d on a 8 month training schedule. The change for me is marginal at best. WTF is the fuss about... Edit: typos.
Nex Prenuncius	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:46:00 - [304] Originally by: SillyWaif Edited by: SillyWaif on 16/02/2009 22:42:30 Apparently lots of previous posters haven't even tried the feature. This character can only take away 1 point from charisma and put it elsewhere, to name an example. If I would put it in perception or willpower it would save me 4d on a 8 month training schedule. The change for me is marginal at best. WTF is the fuss about... Edit: typos. Some people always need something to cry over.
Kraven Executus	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:19:00 - [305] lol the OP rerolled Asian Invasion to "optimize" his stats and he doesn't want the people who stuck with their original toons to be able to optimize without rerolling. fail post, imo.
Praetor Imperious	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:19:00 - [306] lol
Raneru Euphoria Released Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:48:00 - [307] Edited by: Raneru on 16/02/2009 23:49:17 Why are people proclaiming this feature will be the end of the world? I have actually tried the feature (crazy, i know!) on SISI and its great. Once I have rebalanced my attributes to what I would have set them to 4 years ago had I known what I was doing I'll very likely leave them at that. My alts balancing was pretty much perfect so I wont need to tweak that really. Its not like you can suddenly pile every point into willpower and perception. You can only go down to the base points for your bloodline, and up to a maximum iirc. and please, don't call them toons. This isnt a Disney production.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:55:00 - [308] Originally by: Da'iel Zehn wow... haven't heard about this. I'd like to redo my atributes as I had no idea what I was doing when I first started. Yes, the people complaining most likely rerolled their char 4-5 times or had a friend or guide to skill attributes. I had no clue, but got kinda lucky... not extremely though Wipe out the 800k starting skillpoints back down to my measly 60k or whatever it was and hit your first 1mil then think about re-rolling for attributes Not enough of a game breaker to compare it to SWG I think, but then you could make it so that you can only re-spec attributes after hitting your first 10mil SP, or something of that sort. ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:57:00 - [309] Originally by: Kraven Executus lol the OP rerolled Asian Invasion to "optimize" his stats and he doesn't want the people who stuck with their original toons to be able to optimize without rerolling. fail post, imo. Agreed. People who re-rolled after the 800k starting SP change, or rerolled at all should have no say in this. -techzer0, training like a **** since '06 ------------ Originally by:** Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Taylor timenenzi	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:06:00 - [310] Originally by: Stab Wounds tbh this will ruin eve. don't let this go through ccp Ya becasue that hasnt been said about EVERY SINGAL CHANGE OR ADDITION TO THE GAME. Right?
cerbus	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:25:00 - [311] Edited by: cerbus on 17/02/2009 00:32:30 I have 26 Charisma without Charisma Learning skills to V YAY for CCP! If it is only 1 attribute every 6months its not that big a deal! Plus i have paid for my useless skill for the last two years, I deserve some temporal realignment. I have an alt that was created 1 YEAR after this one, Caldari Achura character of course. Cerbus -> 35,629,184 SP Alt -> 38,128,958 SP Cerbus.
Al Thorr Caldari The Wheel	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:31:00 - [312] Iclandic logic ... is light dependant. "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
cpt Mark	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:32:00 - [313] The people have spoken, The votes have been counted, Iudex you have been evicted.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:20:00 - [314] 6 months is a long time. I predict many people will whine when they realize they will train really fast in one thing...then when they want to train something else...they still have months left before respecing and training anything else will be slow as hell. 6 months...That's between 8 and 10 Mil SP. (Give or take a bit) You better have one hell of a skill plan if this is the route you want to take. EVE MON is going to need a programing for figuring out the most efficient specing when dealing with multiple class skills. I made it smaller for you Navigater...My name is in it. That's the minimum required for a sig if I remember correctly
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.17 06:31:00 - [315] Originally by: SillyWaif Apparently lots of previous posters haven't even tried the feature. This character can only take away 1 point from charisma and put it elsewhere, to name an example. If I would put it in perception or willpower it would save me 4d on a 8 month training schedule. The change for me is marginal at best. …and how much can you take away from the other two attributes you don't need? That is the point: it's a min-maxer and character farmer's dream. You've tried it on SiSi — fine — but you haven't pushed it to the extreme it will be pushed if it goes live. The difference isn't marginal either. Going from a balanced attribute set to a min-maxed means a reduction in training time of roughly 25%. You know that old "it takes 25 years to learn all skills in EVE" adage? No longer true — it now takes 18… (yes, it's a silly and extreme example, but it shows the scale of the change). Originally by: Karrade Krise 6 months is a long time. I predict many people will whine when they realize they will train really fast in one thing...then when they want to train something else...they still have months left before respecing and training anything else will be slow as hell. 6 months is nothing, especially since the attribute combinations are very static. 75% of the skills in the game and 80%+ of the ranks use either Int+Mem or Per+Wil. Also, 10Mil sp is less than four Rank 4 skills trained from zero to lvl V. Now consider how low Rank 4 is… Again, the distribution is easy: General support skills: Int+Mem Science: Int+Mem. Pew-pew: Per+Wil. Ships: Per+Wil. That constitutes the bulk of the skills in the game, and almost all the "new fun toys" skills. You should have roughly zero problems creating a 6-month training schedule based on those two (or, indeed, any two) attribute combinations, in particular once you start to go after the Rank 5 (and above) skills. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:20:00 - [316] Originally by: Karrade Krise 6 months is a long time. I predict many people will whine when they realize they will train really fast in one thing...then when they want to train something else...they still have months left before respecing and training anything else will be slow as hell. 6 months...That's between 8 and 10 Mil SP. (Give or take a bit) You better have one hell of a skill plan if this is the route you want to take. EVE MON is going to need a programing for figuring out the most efficient specing when dealing with multiple class skills. But that's the point! Old timers will have no problem at all spending six months training up using only two attributes. Meanwhile, new players will be left with a choice of either gimping their training speed relative to the veterans or gimping their fun. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:21:00 - [317] Originally by: Kraven Executus lol the OP rerolled Asian Invasion to "optimize" his stats and he doesn't want the people who stuck with their original toons to be able to optimize without rerolling. fail post, imo. So it wouldn't have been a fail post if I'd have made it? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

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