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iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:52:00 -
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First of all it's a good thing that you listen to your players, people have been asking for a chance to correct their beginners mistakes for years. You try to do things better than people ask, in order to make it awesome, but in this case you overdone it a little bit.
It is perfectly fine to give people the chance for a once-in-a-lifetime redistribution of attributes, that can be done earliest after e.g. 3 months of game-time, so that people make this decision in a moment where they can properly estimate the consequences.
But being able to redistribute every 6 months changes the whole skill training pattern, which has been a successful core feature of Eve for over 5 years. Now people will max one side for 6 months and then the other in the next 6 months. Everyone will be training everything at maximum speed and efficiency, no diffrence between the industrialist and the combat specialised pilot.
It's a little bit like in Starwars Galaxies:NGE, where your initial choice of your pathway doesn't matter, this arbitrariness isn't necessarily better. It also reduces the necessity of specialised alts (e.g. industry alts for combat pilots) and might even cost you subscriptions, since it will be much easer to re-spec and train the missing skill-trees. Eve will definitely lose something, if you introduce this the way it is now planned, and there's no way back once you introduce it, so please reconsider this feature again.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
somethingwhatnot ... It's a little bit like in Starwars Galaxies:NGE....
This alone justified a new thread about this. |
Zephyr Rengate
Caldari Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:59:00 -
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Great change is great, quit whining about a feature that enables you to make up for mistakes made in the first 3 mins of playing. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:59:00 -
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The OP has some good points and makes them well.
I for one and intrigued by his ideas and would like to subscribe to his newsletter. |
Marius Deterium
Caldari The Hull Miners Union Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:00:00 -
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One of the big advantages of Eve is to not be tied to some archtype. If you need DPS, get in a DPS ship, if you need tank, get in a tank ship. If you need reps, get in a RR ship.
Attribute respec just enhances this. |
Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:00:00 -
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marius Deterium One of the big advantages of Eve is to not be tied to some archtype. If you need DPS, get in a DPS ship, if you need tank, get in a tank ship. If you need reps, get in a RR ship.
Attribute respec just enhances this.
Everyone training everything at the same rate removes diversity.
This is a bad thing.
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Da'iel Zehn
Construct Core Operations Construct Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:03:00 -
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wow... haven't heard about this. I'd like to redo my atributes as I had no idea what I was doing when I first started.
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Da'iel Zehn
Construct Core Operations Construct Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
never! |
Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:04:00 -
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oh no, my sci fi game allows sci fi things to happen O_O |
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iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Great change is great, quit whining about a feature that enables you to make up for mistakes made in the first 3 mins of playing.
As i mentioned in the OP i think giving people to chance to re specialise once after they got known the game is a good choice, what I'm against is that regular re-specialisation, which will lead to phenomena described above. In addition to that, you can't re-specialise in most MMOs as well, for example you won't complain that you started a hunter in Lotro instead of a warden, and therefore can't tank very well for the rest of your game-time. That's an initial choice which you make in your fist 3 mins of playing and which has a permanent impact on your game-play (again, except in SWG:NGE fail).
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Kayosoni
Caldari Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:12:00 -
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ITT: Butthurt achura cause he'll no longer have an advantage over every other bloodline (except for the 3 base charisma) |
VoiceInTheDesert
Diplomatic Disruption Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:12:00 -
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So I have been on sisi and from what I saw, you can't change EVERYTHING in your attributes...just the 5 points that you distribute at the beginning. I've heard that at some point, you might be able to change your bloodline attributes as well, but that certainly is not the case at the moment.
If this remains true, it will not lead to a really big shift in training time, just a small one for people who made some annoying mistakes at some point in character creatinon. |
Zephyr Rengate
Caldari Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Great change is great, quit whining about a feature that enables you to make up for mistakes made in the first 3 mins of playing.
As i mentioned in the OP i think giving people to chance to re specialise once after they got known the game is a good choice, what I'm against is that regular re-specialisation, which will lead to phenomena described above. In addition to that, you can't re-specialise in most MMOs as well, for example you won't complain that you started a hunter in Lotro instead of a warden, and therefore can't tank very well for the rest of your game-time. That's an initial choice which you make in your fist 3 mins of playing and which has a permanent impact on your game-play (again, except in SWG:NGE fail).
I can change my talents in wow for a small gold fee. |
Kayosoni
Caldari Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert So I have been on sisi and from what I saw, you can't change EVERYTHING in your attributes...just the 5 points that you distribute at the beginning. I've heard that at some point, you might be able to change your bloodline attributes as well, but that certainly is not the case at the moment.
If this remains true, it will not lead to a really big shift in training time, just a small one for people who made some annoying mistakes at some point in character creatinon.
you're dumb. You can minus any attribute down to 5 base points. |
teoliit
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:16:00 -
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Attributes are dumb, they just get in the way of letting people do what they want They have nothing to do with ambition, commitment to the game, risk taking or anything at all. They just sit there as a big road block |
Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence Force
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:17:00 -
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Times CCP hasn't listened to people about
Missiles / speed nerf Ghost Training and more!
Soon to be aattribute respecing.
I personalyl want to respec my char. |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:18:00 -
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provided its still green, I got bugged out and my redistribution was nuked and I spent my once in a blue moon respect on it.
Its not going to change the fact carebares will remain carebares and noobish at pvp and pvpers will always be the ones with teeth. but seriously 20 years for every skill in eve is little rediciolose atm, good thing they arent putting in those player buildable from dead players tech 2 learning implants and making the current tech 2s into faction variants. |
Mukutep
Gallente The Centurions
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:18:00 -
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I don't necessarily agree it's going to take away specialized characters. So it lets me train up for some thing I want in 6 months instead of 8 months? There's still a lot of time investment in certain paths. IMO, the type of person who wants more than one account/alt so they can have specialized characters is still going to do it, because they probably don't want to wait slightly less time than they would have had to wait anyway. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:34:00 -
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/me sighs |
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox but seriously 20 years for every skill in eve is little rediciolose atm,
And how long does it take you to get a single character with the abilities of all classes at max level in WoW or any other MMO? |
Florio
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:46:00 -
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i agree with OP completely.
one off respec is necessary and we've been asking for it.
respec every 6 months makes a mockery of having attributes at all, and in addition imho may lead to higher noob attrition as they are told on the forums to maximise int/mem or perc/wp at the beginning and then are stuck with crap ship/weaponry or support/industrial skills for 6 months.
i'd be amazed if the current proposals make it to tranquility as surely the above points made by the op and others including myself are just common sense?
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:47:00 -
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No, don't. This is the best feature of M10.
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Rowdy Yates
Caldari Redneck Rangers
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:48:00 -
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Do this mean I don't gots to be stoopid no more?
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Roadkill possum is flat, like pizza! |
sirovai
Amarr Modern-Warfare
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:54:00 -
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This is the only feature I'm intrested about in the next patch.
Dont ruin it for me.
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:59:00 -
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tl;dr.
But **** no, I want to redistribute my charisma points. :( |
RisenPhoenix
Shadowyn Corp.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:05:00 -
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A ONE TIME redistribution is good. Every 6 months is bad for the many reasons already stated |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:11:00 -
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Attribute respec is only the beginning. The next step will be redistributing the trained skillpoints. People will like to change their carrier skills to dreadnought skills once the carriers get nerfed. Or change the missile skills to gunnery, since it took them months to realise that missiles suck. Or fly the current p0wning fotm ship.
If people like that, why shouldnt the company cater to their needs
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Cyb3r D3ath
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:21:00 -
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I like the new respec system the way it is thank you. Good job CCP! |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Attribute respec is only the beginning. The next step will be redistributing the trained skillpoints. People will like to change their carrier skills to dreadnought skills once the carriers get nerfed. Or change the missile skills to gunnery, since it took them months to realise that missiles suck. Or fly the current p0wning fotm ship.
If people like that, why shouldnt the company cater to their needs
This is also a fear of mine. |
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