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bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2012.04.07 16:38:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bornaa wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that. And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere. Yes, so then griefers can blow your CQ at will.
I think there goes that other part of sentence "with so many guns that you can hardy see the surface if structure" But, with this info that we got, it seems that that is the case. That Ain't Right |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
743
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Posted - 2012.04.07 16:39:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Cartman wrote:Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Your shrieking and random name-calling aside, its amazing and hilarious that you should state that WiS should 'appeal to all styles of gameplay' whilst simultaneously advocating that WiS development focus on zero-gameplay establishments and graphical style-over-content rather than features with actual things for players to do. Unfortunately for you and luckily for Eve, Torfi clearly stated in the keynote they're working on adding substantial meaningful gameplay and that establishments were no longer the focus of WiS.
I read DMC's posts in this thread in Cartman's voice, so whenever he comes unhinged with his personal attacks and threatening to report posts it's actually quite hilarious. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
549
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:16:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
no you are the ****** writing horrible poetry. I read the posts, it's always about either the quick and dirty social gaming, or some sort of 100% safe wis-pve made possible by "drones". Now I know the term "pants" is now classified as derogatory, but please don't equate new turret animations and nebulae with new pants for avatars.
oh man, this proves ,you don,t really follow this thread If you did you knew ,not all of us are afraid of in station pvp . and some sort of social room like the corproom of some commandcenter to interact with the dustslaves is the least WIS could have. pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:45:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: oh man, this proves ,you don,t really follow this thread If you did you knew ,not all of us are afraid of in station pvp . and some sort of social room like the corproom of some commandcenter to interact with the dustslaves is the least WIS could have.
I hope that interaction does not begin with you calling them slaves. FPS may not be your thing, but let's not start calling others' playstyle derogatory names, there were plenty of insulting names for wis would you like to hear them again? |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:46:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well.
Wait... Racist? What? That word...I don't it means what you think it means. explain racist. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
549
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:56:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: oh man, this proves ,you don,t really follow this thread If you did you knew ,not all of us are afraid of in station pvp . and some sort of social room like the corproom of some commandcenter to interact with the dustslaves is the least WIS could have.
I hope that interaction does not begin with you calling them slaves. FPS may not be your thing, but let's not start calling others' playstyle derogatory names, there were plenty of insulting names for wis would you like to hear them again?
dust bunnies dust mites dust slaves who cares !!!
space barbies doll lovers space dolls emoters space pants who cares !!!
Pls add some more if i forgot to add some
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 18:09:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:As much as people use the term "role play" within this thread, I highly doubt many players actually alter their real life persona to play out a different character. Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona. Whereas people can state that CCP have not given the tools, if a person can not alter themselves just by typing, then moving an avatar will not be much of an improvement.
Just my thoughts.
Here's a kid that's never even heard of table top. Honestly what an incredibly chauvinistic view "I don't play that way, so I doubt anyone does".
Eve can be incredibly immersive as it is, as long as you avoid certain deal-breakers (voice chat being chief among them). There is nothing wrong with advocating for additional tools to keep that immersion going.
Personally I would love to be able to stroll along inside my ship. Set auto pilot, squirt out of my egg into a changing room, then walk out onto the bridge and putz around. "Omg tis not meaningfulz!?" It's not meaningful to you, but it is incredibly meaningful to me.
Meaningful is a word synonymous with purpose. The purpose is immersion or Role Playing.
Just because it's not your style, doesn't mean it is wrong or does not exist. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.04.07 18:19:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:As much as people use the term "role play" within this thread, I highly doubt many players actually alter their real life persona to play out a different character. Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona. Whereas people can state that CCP have not given the tools, if a person can not alter themselves just by typing, then moving an avatar will not be much of an improvement.
Just my thoughts.
Role play seems to be the basic defense used against anything from drunken things being done stupidly IRL to bad implimentations made by the company Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Nura Taron
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 19:41:00 -
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I do want WIS, just not to the exclusion of the actual game. The problem wasn't that were were working on space barbies, it's that they were working so hard on space barbies they were completely ignoring the part of the game that has actual gameplay in it; space. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
443
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:00:00 -
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Nura Taron wrote:I do want WIS, just not to the exclusion of the actual game. The problem wasn't that were were working on space barbies, it's that they were working so hard on space barbies they were completely ignoring the part of the game that has actual gameplay in it; space.
No. They were working hard rebuilding the graphic engine, the UI code and the core libraries -some 2 million lines of code, about 500+ megabytes of files, and many of them hadn't been touched since 2003 and nobody knew what was inside of them as undocumented Python code is a complete mess.
Those where the infamous "18 months", and during them almost nothing was made for gameplay. The first implementation of the "18 months" code was to be an early release of "Incarna" project, including WiS stuff, but all was a complete mess. Incarna was anything but ready for launch, plus the CQ interface was shoved down everybody's throats, plus CQ was mixed with the NEx store and its awful pricing, plus awful graphic performance from the new and unoptimized engine, plus the "timely" leaks of in-house documents, plus a 10 million $ loan due on october 28th as the subcriptions plummeted after Incarna.
That led to 20% layoffs, Crucible, serious in-house reflexion, and the current re-focus on broken/uniterated FiS fetures that accidentally means giving the finger to people who already were cheated with the incarna failed release.
Plus CCP mistaking the nullsec PvP whining minority for "the customers", which is leading CCP to step on the toes of maybe as much as 72% of their subscribers and astraying to make happy 15% of the players at the expense of everybody else. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:14:00 -
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Panacani wrote:Here's a kid that's never even heard of table top. Honestly what an incredibly chauvinistic view "I don't play that way, so I doubt anyone does".
I cut my teeth on Dungeons and Dragons before I became involved with the Advanced version with the second edition additions to the various rules. I probably have the original edition of "Deities and Demigods" too. Those who were around then would know exactly why I state that.
Ironic you call me chauvinistic while being patronizing. Since you did not understand what I originally wrote, I will assume you think you're pretty smart in real life too...
Panacani wrote:Eve can be incredibly immersive as it is, as long as you avoid certain deal-breakers (voice chat being chief among them). There is nothing wrong with advocating for additional tools to keep that immersion going.
Personally I would love to be able to stroll along inside my ship. Set auto pilot, squirt out of my egg into a changing room, then walk out onto the bridge and putz around. "Omg tis not meaningfulz!?" It's not meaningful to you, but it is incredibly meaningful to me.
Meaningful is a word synonymous with purpose. The purpose is immersion or Role Playing.
Just because it's not your style, doesn't mean it is wrong or does not exist.
And what is stopping you visualizing your ship drifting through space while you are walking around your ship? Oh yes - you need a concrete visual. Your mind's eye can not piecemeal a ship's interior with you strolling around, admiring the view. You probably can not type out some emote in a random chat channel while imaging your avatar doing those actions. Since my original text said in a paraphrased bit that those that can not act instinctively with a mere keyboard will probably not fare much better with given visuals. Yet somehow you determined I feel role playing should be thrown out - try again.
If you read any of the old lore CCP released (and was not retroactively rewritten), then you would know our ships are different than the standard heavily crewed versions since our avatars within the pod control nearly all the aspects of said ship. So walking around the ship itself would not be ideal since it would be quite vunerable, if even operational, without our interactions.
At the ripe old age of zero days old, I bet you have a grand history to fall back upon too long time role player being denied by big old mean me... |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:47:00 -
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Yes you're right, what I said was pretty childish. But when you say things like...
"Most players just go through the routines they are used to performing while slowly becoming similar to their real life persona."
...the rest of your message gets lost. In any context, that sentence is essentially saying there are no Eve role players. I apologize for the childish remark, but not for the content of my post.
As for my character age, shrug. I have no interest in perma-wars against forum junkies. If that makes my opinion less valid, then please ignore it.
PS "you call me chauvinistic while being patronizing" is not irony. Childish, but not ironic. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
354
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:59:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bornaa wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that. And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere. Yes, so then griefers can blow your CQ at will.
Well it does depend on where you build your POS. Griefers can't 'simply' blow up your POS in high sec.
And in any case. So what?
I think it would be a awesome if other players could disable your shields, dock at your POS, and wait for you to come home and sit down on the couch with a can of quafe in your hands, and then blow your brains out just as you begin to nod off.
Oh and then tea bag your corpse. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:20:00 -
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Shouldnt
Quote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Third, stop trying to derail this thread. Your reply is off topic and nothing more than a troll post. It's obvious your intention is to create a flame war. As such your reply is now reported. If you continue posting off topic replies in this thread, I as well as others, will use the 'Report' option every time.
this guy be slamming that report button till it breaks on
RAP ACTION HERO wrote: no you are the ****** writing horrible poetry. I read the posts, it's always about either the quick and dirty social gaming, or some sort of 100% safe wis-pve made possible by "drones". Now I know the term "pants" is now classified as derogatory, but please don't equate new turret animations and nebulae with new pants for avatars.
This guy? Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:24:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:bornaa wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Anyone know if the modular POS will include modular interiors as well?
That would be cool. Certainly would be cool to have your "home" in EVE. But provided how this whole game is about sbdy burning your home to the basement while you sleep, i guess it's not a bright idea after all... unless you're an arsonist, of course. There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same) So i think there will be something like that. And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere. Yes, so then griefers can blow your CQ at will.
I'd hope it would follow the same rules as now. I've never directly handled POS myself, but if you put one up in high sec do you need to wardec the parent corp? If so, then a day notice to evacuate (assuming they had the numbers to overrun your defenses) seems reasonable to me. The idea of owning a "home" type structure would be pretty neat. As long as it would be customize able. |
Pop Bear
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:32:00 -
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oh look, posting in page 209 for a feature to be maybe relesed in 2150, Sweet.... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1479
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Posted - 2012.04.08 05:10:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game. The gameplay for spaceship-based activities already exists, so CCP have the luxury of adding graphical enhancements (as well as fixing and adding content). Gameplay for WiS is currently non-existent, so CCP need to prioritise work on adding fun, interesting and meaningful things to do on foot rather than trying to dazzle us with feature-free and vacuous nonsense like "social environments". Crying out "won't somebody please think of the children roleplayers" doesn't change that, because like the rest of us, roleplayers want fun, interesting and meaningful things to do as well. Quote:The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment. This game is a spreadsheet, and the typical player zooms all the way out in order to maximise their situational awareness on the tactical overlay. Graphical updates are nice to have, and CCP has an art department so they may as well use it for updating existing graphical assets when they're not working on new things, but they're not nearly as important as gameplay content. Quote:Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Your shrieking and random name-calling aside, its amazing and hilarious that you should state that WiS should 'appeal to all styles of gameplay' whilst simultaneously advocating that WiS development focus on zero-gameplay establishments and graphical style-over-content rather than features with actual things for players to do. Unfortunately for you and luckily for Eve, Torfi clearly stated in the keynote they're working on adding substantial meaningful gameplay and that establishments were no longer the focus of WiS.
Each time you post a rebuttal, you keep stretching the truth out of shape in typical troll behavior by misrepresenting the facts, twisting everything around and portraying it all out of context. Then to top it all off you heap a big pile of lies on it, all in a failed attempt at trying to prove you're right. What's hilarious is watching you try to manipulate and change everything around to justify your own viewpoint. It really doesn't matter how many times you post your bullcrap, others know the true facts just by reading the past few pages.
FYI - There was no shrieking or random name calling, just a statement of facts derived from reading your replies. Thanks for proving once again that my original observation was indeed correct.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1479
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Posted - 2012.04.08 07:19:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:
I read DMC's posts in this thread in Cartman's voice, so whenever he comes unhinged with his personal attacks and threatening to report posts it's actually quite hilarious.
Your posting is reminiscent of Pee Wee Herman mentality. I would say it's hilarious but actually it's quite sad how you try to maintain a semblance of intelligence with your obvious trolling. |
Ai Shun
614
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Posted - 2012.04.08 07:52:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Each time you post a rebuttal, you keep stretching the truth out of shape in typical troll behavior by misrepresenting the facts, twisting everything around and portraying it all out of context with selective quoting. Then to top it all off you heap a big pile of lies on it, all in a failed attempt at trying to prove you're right. What's hilarious is watching you try to manipulate and change everything around to justify your own viewpoint. It really doesn't matter how many times you post your bullcrap, others know the true facts just by reading the past few pages.
FYI - There was no shrieking or random name calling, just a statement of facts derived from reading your replies. Thanks for proving once again that my original observation was indeed correct.
Please stay on topic. Your off-topic posts where you personally attack other players will be reported. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1421
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Posted - 2012.04.08 08:16:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Jonas Xiamon
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Posted - 2012.04.08 08:19:00 -
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>Contraband Items taken off market >Contraband items can only be bought in WiS >Add more contraband items >Add coffee shop features >Problem solved. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.04.08 08:54:00 -
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Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS
Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game?
Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
254
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:23:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game?
Isn't that like saying, why should i have to go into wormholes to salvage sleeper wrecks?
Although i don't think an existing part of the game should me changed to only be accessible through a future release of WIS, creating a new mechanic that is missing from the game could work for it.
For example, you could release a new set of skills that let you retrieve implant bpc's from frozen corpses using a stations service. Maybe it could be done through some sort of skill based mini-game. |
Jonas Xiamon
64
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:22:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game? Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month.
Why would illegal drugs be traded in mass quantities on the open market? Ridiculous. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |
Kyle Valentine
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:42:00 -
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Inventing personnal weapons and vehicules with all these science skills. Giving it a name and an unique look, and producing it "en masse" for the DUST players.
Perhaps even illegal weapons. |
nartela
Crimson Technology
0
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:06:00 -
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after all that work they shouldnt abandon it theyve got the framework now such as the avatars and such, im still waiting for the awsome corp headquarters that they promised us. the pro's of having it in outway the cons in my opinion.
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:21:00 -
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Jonas Xiamon wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month. Why would illegal drugs be traded in mass quantities on the open market? Ridiculous.
If you want a different type of market window to handle the black market, ok, fine. If you want contraband to only be available through direct trade with someone else in the same station, again, fine
There's no particularly good reason why you should need to switch to WiS mode to access those though, and again, you're falling into the error of Captain's Quarters by saying "this feature has no gameplay so we'll hijack features from other areas of the game to get people to use it." |
bornaa
GRiD.
196
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:46:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote:Jonas Xiamon wrote:>Contraband items can only be bought in WiS Why should players be forced into WiS just to access a section of the market? What does that add to the game Here's a similarly dumb counter-proposal: you can only access WiS if you've achieved 50 PvP kills in the previous month. Why would illegal drugs be traded in mass quantities on the open market? Ridiculous. If you want a different type of market window to handle the black market, ok, fine. If you want contraband to only be available through direct trade with someone else in the same station, again, fine There's no particularly good reason why you should need to switch to WiS mode to access those though, and again, you're falling into the error of Captain's Quarters by saying "this feature has no gameplay so we'll hijack features from other areas of the game to get people to use it."
As i know CCP said that boosters and all illegal things will be only traded via WiS because when we are in pods we are connected with many computers and records of all things we do are there, so records of trading contraband (illegal) goods are there too. That is logical thing, if you don't want concord intervention in few seconds do not engage illegal things when you are being tracked and every your move is recorded.
To trade all illegal things you need to be disconnected from the computers grids and you are not connected only when you are out of your pod. Then you can engage every illegal activity you want because there are not records of you doing it (just stay away from security cameras).
So, not be able to engage illegal activities from your pod, without concord intervention, is absolutely logical and i support that. That Ain't Right |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
82
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:52:00 -
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WIS will come eventually, it has to
On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Severian Carnifex
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:59:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:WIS will come eventually, it has to
Unfortunately, WIS does not have to see day light. EVE can die before they realize that WiS is new EVEs life. |
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