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NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 20:57:00 - [1711] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:03:19 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX 1. I care, and i just made a valid point why i will never use an Abaddon when it comes to hitting smaller ships than BS'es. That is a broad comment and incorrect as the abaddon hit smaller targets fine in gang combat, its only in solo work it suffers but then so do blaster ships that is why ppl want the tracking buffed. Originally by: NightmareX Used by many alliances?, yeah, but where does those alliances do the PVP?. 0.0/lowsec/empire depending where they are tbh, but mostly 0.0. Originally by: NightmareX Not in empire or low sec, that's for sure. A 0.0 alliance will still fight in low sec and empire if it wants or needs to. Originally by: NightmareX But the thing that you don't see is that Blasters Megas are used waaaaaaaay more than Rail Megas with RR I have seen no proof of that tbh. Originally by: NightmareX because like 75% of the EVE population in EVE are in empire and low sec. And because in empire and low sec is where Blasters and RR's are mostly used. 75% of eve player base may or may not be in empire but that 75% are not all pvpers not even close, and the few percentage that are pvpers are not ALL gallente spec'd, and some of those that are gallente spec'd will use rails instead of blasters in gang v gang combat unless they are just ganking. Originally by: NightmareX Yeah it's all about how fast you om nom nom nom nom nom you cap boosters then. And i think that's pretty fast. Run a MWD, blasters, just 1 x RR, point, web on your mega and then you will see om nom nom nom nom nom... 1. Yeah the Abaddon is limited to only gang combat before the ship works good. The Abaddon is not even near the Megathron by million miles when it's about doing very small scale PVP. And when it's about tracking, then yeah, if the tracking on the Blasters are gedding a buff, then Autocannons need that to. 2. Take an example, like the corp Atomic Battle Penguins (ABP), how often do you see they use Rails on their Megas when they do RR gangs in empire and low sec?. Never. Yes the rail fitted Megas with RR are MOSTLY in 0.0 space. 3. Yeah but that was not what i was talking about. I was saying that there is not many at all in empire and low sec that use rails on their RR fitted Megas. 4. See point 2. If you use some few hours to look around killboards from corps that are in empire and low sec, and when you look at their setups, you will see that i'm totally right about what i'm saying. 5. 75% of EVE population is in empire and low sec. But no, not all of that are pvpers, that's true. But still, not everyone of those who are in 0.0 space are PVPers either. So there are a butt load more PVPers in empire and low sec than it is in 0.0 space anyways. 6. I have done that and my Neutron Mega with RR and MWD is still way more cap stable than the Abaddon no matter what you say. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:04:00 - [1712] Originally by: NightmareX 4. See point 2. if you use some few hours to look around killboards from corps that are in empire and low sec, and when you look at their setups, you will see that i'm all true about what i'm saying. How about you provide us the links since its your claim. Quote: 5. 75% of EVE population is in empire and low sec. But no, not all of that are pvpers, that's true. But still, not everyone of those who are in 0.0 space are PVPers either. So there are a butt load more PVPers in empire and low sec than it is in 0.0 space anyways. What, no. Lowsec is a **ing deserted wasteland, and empire people don't pvp at all. There are faaaarrrr more kills in 0.0 than lowsec+empire - and if you require validation of this why don't you just look at the honking ships destroyed map. On TQ, of course. Quote:** 6. I have done that and my Neutron Mega with RR and MWD is still way more cap stable than the Abaddon no matter what you say. No, Neutron mega with RR is more cap stable than the Abaddon. But if you run that MWD you are gonna be capless real fast, and not even cap boosters will save your sorry ass. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:12:00 - [1713] Originally by: NightmareX 1. Yeah the Abaddon is limited to only gang combat before the ship works good. The Abaddon is not even near the Megathron by million miles when it's about doing very small scale PVP. Im not interested in getting into a "best dodo catcher" argument its pointless. Originally by: NightmareX Take an example, like the corp Atomic Battle Penguins (ABP), how often do you see they use Rails on their Megas when they do RR gangs in empire and low sec?. Never. They use more mega pulse 2 than the do neutron blasters 2, and sitting outside stations popping undockers is not that impressive tbh, and in that rather easy scenario blasters work fine. Originally by: NightmareX So there are a butt load more PVPers in empire and low sec than it is in 0.0 space anyways. Maybe maybe not as 0.0 players either pvp or lose space, empire huggers do not need to pvp, and a LOT of low sec pvpers are gankers not gang v gang pvpers. Originally by: NightmareX I have done that and my Neutron Mega with RR and MWD is still way more cap stable than the Abaddon no matter what you say. No you have not and it is not.......or link to KB with proof.
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:13:00 - [1714] Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 21:15:43 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX 4. See point 2. if you use some few hours to look around killboards from corps that are in empire and low sec, and when you look at their setups, you will see that i'm all true about what i'm saying. How about you provide us the links since its your claim. ABP killboard...top weapon used MEGA PULSE 2. Favorite amarr BS..............ABADDON. http://www.killboard.atomicbattlepenguins.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=1234&view=ships_weapons
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:14:00 - [1715] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX 4. See point 2. if you use some few hours to look around killboards from corps that are in empire and low sec, and when you look at their setups, you will see that i'm all true about what i'm saying. How about you provide us the links since its your claim. Quote: 5. 75% of EVE population is in empire and low sec. But no, not all of that are pvpers, that's true. But still, not everyone of those who are in 0.0 space are PVPers either. So there are a butt load more PVPers in empire and low sec than it is in 0.0 space anyways. What, no. Lowsec is a **ing deserted wasteland, and empire people don't pvp at all. There are faaaarrrr more kills in 0.0 than lowsec+empire - and if you require validation of this why don't you just look at the honking ships destroyed map. On TQ, of course. Quote:** 6. I have done that and my Neutron Mega with RR and MWD is still way more cap stable than the Abaddon no matter what you say. No, Neutron mega with RR is more cap stable than the Abaddon. But if you run that MWD you are gonna be capless real fast, and not even cap boosters will save your sorry ass. -Liang 1. You should look up those killboards your self. But i can name 2 of them right now while i remember it. The United and Atomic Battle Penguins. You don't find Large Rails in the list over most used weapons there. 2. Low sec is a good place to PVP in only if you use some little time to actually find the right place. 3. I don't run the MWD all the time, actually it's very few times i use the MWD in close range combat in a Blaster Mega. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:18:00 - [1716] Originally by: NightmareX 1. You should look up those killboards your self. But i can name 2 of them right now while i remember it. The United and Atomic Battle Penguins. You don't find Large Rails in the list over most used weapons there. Maybe no rails but plenty of MP T2. Originally by: NightmareX 2. Low sec is a good place to PVP in only if you use some little time to actually find the right place. Low sec is a good place to gank unscouted noobs and fools on a gate and any ship can do that.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:18:00 - [1717] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:20:14 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX 1. You should look up those killboards your self. But i can name 2 of them right now while i remember it. The United and Atomic Battle Penguins. You don't find Large Rails in the list over most used weapons there. Maybe no rails but plenty of MP T2. Originally by: NightmareX 2. Low sec is a good place to PVP in only if you use some little time to actually find the right place. Low sec is a good place to gank unscouted noobs and fools on a gate and any ship can do that. 1. Look up on my reply before you replied this over. 2. Like your not doing that in 0.0 space to. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:26:00 - [1718] Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 21:26:16 Originally by: NightmareX Hey, you must be blind LOLOLOL. Take a look again on the stats there. Neutron Blaster Cannon II - 713 kills + Ion Blaster Cannon II - 219 kills. And what is 713 + 219?, yes it's 932. Aka Blasters is most used. Because Mega Pulse Laser II have 871 kills. Does it feel good to be pwned again Child?. I hope you have vasaline handy... A loss from ABP. http://www.killboard.atomicbattlepenguins.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5986 They use mixed fits of NEUTRONS AND IONS ON THE SAME SHIPS......1 SHIP LOSS = 2 GUNS REGISTERED ON THE KB (1 ION 1 NEUTRON)..... I hope i was not to rough for you?...
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:30:00 - [1719] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:34:32 Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 21:26:16 Originally by: NightmareX Hey, you must be blind LOLOLOL. Take a look again on the stats there. Neutron Blaster Cannon II - 713 kills + Ion Blaster Cannon II - 219 kills. And what is 713 + 219?, yes it's 932. Aka Blasters is most used. Because Mega Pulse Laser II have 871 kills. Does it feel good to be pwned again Child?. I hope you have vasaline handy... A loss from ABP. http://www.killboard.atomicbattlepenguins.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5986 They use mixed fits of NEUTRONS AND IONS ON THE SAME SHIPS......1 SHIP LOSS = 2 GUNS REGISTERED ON THE KB (1 ION 1 NEUTRON)..... I hope i was not to rough for you?... Do you know why they do it?. No you don't. They do it so they can fit a Heavy Capacitor Booster instead of having to buy multiple faction modules just to be able to fit a pure t2 setup. They are a Mercenary corporation, and they need to have minimal with losses. And by buying lots of faction modules all the time will not make their ISK income to be good enough. Buying some faction mods some few times is ok though. Oh you wasn't so smart anyways. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:34:00 - [1720] Originally by: NightmareX Do you know why they do it?. No you don't. They do it so they can fit a Heavy Capacitor Booster instead of having to buy multiple faction modules just to be able to fit a pure t2 setup. They are a Mercenary corporation, and they need to have minimal with losses. And by buing lots of faction modules will not make their ISK income to be good enough. Oh you wasn't so smart anyways. I never made claims WHY they did it just that they do, so MP2 ARE the most used weapon cos the ions and neutrons are on the same ships...
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:38:00 - [1721] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:41:20 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Do you know why they do it?. No you don't. They do it so they can fit a Heavy Capacitor Booster instead of having to buy multiple faction modules just to be able to fit a pure t2 setup. They are a Mercenary corporation, and they need to have minimal with losses. And by buing lots of faction modules will not make their ISK income to be good enough. Oh you wasn't so smart anyways. I never made claims WHY they did it just that they do, so MP2 ARE the most used weapon cos the ions and neutrons are on the same ships... Ahahahah, trying to be funny heh?. Anyways. You know that Lasers is much easier to use when it's about killing ships in med range right?. It's not hard to press a button or 8 just to instapop some frigs with Lasers at 30-40 km. Easy mode is always for the lazy peoples. Blasters can't do that, and that's why MPL II have more kills. But hold on still. What battleship is most used there again?. Not even the Abaddon and the Armageddon combined isn't used more than the Mega there. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:45:00 - [1722] Originally by: NightmareX Blasters can't do that, and that's why MPL II have more kills. But hold on still. What ships is most used again?. Its true i mean the mega is used WAAAAAAAY more than any other BS..... 1660 megas used compared to only 885 abaddons..... And yet mega pulse are the most used/successful weapon system... And as YOU clearly pointed out there are no rails recorded..... Just how bad do blasters suck that megas can be used so much more when fitted with them......and yet pulse are on top of weapons used.... Think before you post...how many times have i told you...
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:47:00 - [1723] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:47:50 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Blasters can't do that, and that's why MPL II have more kills. But hold on still. What ships is most used again?. Its true i mean the mega is used WAAAAAAAY more than any other BS..... 1660 megas used compared to only 885 abaddons..... And yet mega pulse are the most used/successful weapon system... And as YOU clearly pointed out there are no rails recorded..... Just how bad do blasters suck that megas can be used so much more when fitted with them......and yet pulse are on top of weapons used.... Think before you post...how many times have i told you... It's not all about having most kills dude. It's about using the best ship for the tuype of PVP your gonna do. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Farjung Gallente TAOSP	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:48:00 - [1724] Yes! --- Wave of Mutilation 2
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:49:00 - [1725] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:49:41 Originally by: Farjung Yes! OMG, please make more Blaster Mega movies. And also, gives us info on what you think about the Blaster Mega today. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:55:00 - [1726] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:47:50 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Blasters can't do that, and that's why MPL II have more kills. But hold on still. What ships is most used again?. Its true i mean the mega is used WAAAAAAAY more than any other BS..... 1660 megas used compared to only 885 abaddons..... And yet mega pulse are the most used/successful weapon system... And as YOU clearly pointed out there are no rails recorded..... Just how bad do blasters suck that megas can be used so much more when fitted with them......and yet pulse are on top of weapons used.... Think before you post...how many times have i told you... It's not all about having most kills dude. It's about using the best ship for the tuype of PVP your gonna do. It was when you started mentioning ABP, but as per usual you lost the argument and are moving the goal posts yet again.
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:56:00 - [1727] Originally by: Farjung Yes! Quite ambiguous. Do you mean in response to the OP? You should elaborate more. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Farjung Gallente TAOSP	Posted - 2009.04.09 21:58:00 - [1728] Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 21:47:09 Originally by: NightmareX Blasters can't do that, and that's why MPL II have more kills. But hold on still. What ships is most used again?. Its true i mean the mega is used WAAAAAAAY more than any other BS on that KB..... 1660 megas used compared to only 885 abaddons..... And yet mega pulse are the most used/successful weapon system... And as YOU clearly pointed out there are no rails recorded..... Just how bad do blasters suck that megas can be used so much more when fitted with them......and yet pulse are on top of weapons used.... Think before you post...how many times have i told you... There are also 500 geddons recorded on that KB. And Neutron Blasters + Ion Blasters is a valid total, because the figure comes not from one loss producing one of each, but each kill mail which the megathron participated in only displaying one or the other. 1842 megathrons (including navy) - 713 Neutrons + 219 Ions = 932 blaster participations 1370 baddon + geddons - 871 MP II participations Nothing particularly illuminating about all this. This is all irrelevant because the point was that blasters are still being used on battleships in some situations. That they are limited to use mostly in empire gankings is tragic, but an inevitable result of the game's growth. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:00:00 - [1729] Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:47:50 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Blasters can't do that, and that's why MPL II have more kills. But hold on still. What ships is most used again?. Its true i mean the mega is used WAAAAAAAY more than any other BS..... 1660 megas used compared to only 885 abaddons..... And yet mega pulse are the most used/successful weapon system... And as YOU clearly pointed out there are no rails recorded..... Just how bad do blasters suck that megas can be used so much more when fitted with them......and yet pulse are on top of weapons used.... Think before you post...how many times have i told you... It's not all about having most kills dude. It's about using the best ship for the tuype of PVP your gonna do. It was when you started mentioning ABP, but as per usual you lost the argument and are moving the goal posts yet again. No when i was talking about ABP and the united, i was all the time talking about the ship that is most used, not what kind of weapon(s) that is used to kill most ships. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:06:00 - [1730] Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 22:10:08 Originally by: Farjung And Neutron Blasters + Ion Blasters is a valid total, because the figure comes not from one loss producing one of each, but each kill mail which the megathron participated in only displaying one or the other. Perhaps but im not going to take your word for it tbh. Originally by: Farjung 1842 megathrons (including navy) - 713 Neutrons + 219 Ions = 932 blaster participations 1370 baddon + geddons - 871 MP II participations Nothing particularly illuminating about all this. So if your right at best 500 more ship uses in the megas for only 61 more guns registered is not what id call a stella recomendation for a weapon system. Originally by: Farjung This is all irrelevant because the point was that blasters are still being used on battleships in some situations. That they are limited to use mostly in empire gankings is tragic, but an inevitable result of the game's growth. 1. Nobody has denied that they are still being used. 2. What is being denied is that because they are being used proves they are the "best gang weapon in eve" ect as NMX insists it does. 3. Systems/ships need to grow with the game and blasters/blaster ships need a major growth spurt as they have been left behind.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:12:00 - [1731] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 22:16:00 Originally by: Childstar 2. What is being denied is that because they are being used proves they are the "best gang weapon in eve" ect as NMX insists it does. Uhm, your now digging up lies about what i have said AGAIN. Did i say the Blasters was the most popular in RR gangs?, or did i say the Blaster Megathron (not only Blaster) was the most popular ship in RR gangs?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:20:00 - [1732] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar 2. What is being denied is that because they are being used proves they are the "best gang weapon in eve" ect as NMX insists it does. Uhm, your now digging up lies about what i have said. Did i say the Blasters was the most popular in gang PVP?, or did i say the Blaster Megathron (not only Blaster) was the most popular ship in RR gangs?. I was actually refering to the blaster megathron as that has been the main ship you have been ranting on about, but i suppose i should have been more specific as you do tend to be a bit emotrolly on obvious details if they are not clearly pointed out.
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:21:00 - [1733] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 22:16:00 Originally by: Childstar 2. What is being denied is that because they are being used proves they are the "best gang weapon in eve" ect as NMX insists it does. Uhm, your now digging up lies about what i have said AGAIN. Did i say the Blasters was the most popular in RR gangs?, or did i say the Blaster Megathron (not only Blaster) was the most popular ship in RR gangs?. Maybe what you two need to do is concisely post your entire viewpoint. This thread needs a regroup, and pulling stuff from 50 pages ago is a waste of time for everyone. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:25:00 - [1734] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 22:32:25 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar 2. What is being denied is that because they are being used proves they are the "best gang weapon in eve" ect as NMX insists it does. Uhm, your now digging up lies about what i have said. Did i say the Blasters was the most popular in gang PVP?, or did i say the Blaster Megathron (not only Blaster) was the most popular ship in RR gangs?. I was actually refering to the blaster megathron as that has been the main ship you have been ranting on about, but i suppose i should have been more specific as you do tend to be a bit emotrolly on obvious details if they are not clearly pointed out. Yeah it's the main ship i have been talking about. Have i ever done the comparsion that the Blasters is used more than Lasers?, no i haven't, because that's not what this is all about. The only time i did that was when you tried to tell me that Lasers was more used than Blasters, when they haven't. I'll recommend you to start and read what i'm saying VERY carefully before you reply to me. You should already have done that like 40 pages ago. Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 22:16:00 Originally by: Childstar 2. What is being denied is that because they are being used proves they are the "best gang weapon in eve" ect as NMX insists it does. Uhm, your now digging up lies about what i have said AGAIN. Did i say the Blasters was the most popular in RR gangs?, or did i say the Blaster Megathron (not only Blaster) was the most popular ship in RR gangs?. Maybe what you two need to do is concisely post your entire viewpoint. This thread needs a regroup, and pulling stuff from 50 pages ago is a waste of time for everyone. -Liang My entire viewpoint is that an Abaddon is a ship that have to be used in a more big gang to work very good, while a Blaster Mega can do solo and very small scale PVP without ANY problems. Because of the very poor tracking the Abaddon have compared to the Blaster Mega, then the Abaddon need MANY in the gang that can web the targets. Because without many webs on the targets the Abaddon is not going to hit anything. So that's what i'm saying, and that's why i say the Blaster Mega is much much more popular than the Abaddon because of that. And also because the Abaddon is a cap om nom nom nom'er at best, then i think many decide to use the more cap stable Blaster Mega over the Abaddon to. And because when your fighting in empire and low sec, your not only going to shoot BS'es and Battlecruisers. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:32:00 - [1735] Originally by: NightmareX Yeah it's the main ship i have been talking about. Have i ever done the comparsion that the Blasters is used more than Lasers?, no i haven't, because that's not what this is all about. STFU, you went on about RR blaster megas being the most popular and used ship/system and so the best RR gang ship in eve for pages and pages. There was no real point responding to the rest of the bulls**t in your post.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:40:00 - [1736] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 22:44:36 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Yeah it's the main ship i have been talking about. Have i ever done the comparsion that the Blasters is used more than Lasers?, no i haven't, because that's not what this is all about. STFU, you went on about RR blaster megas being the most popular and used ship/system and so the best RR gang ship in eve for pages and pages. There was no real point responding to the rest of the bulls**t in your post. And even more . LOL, your just bitter because Farjung told you the exact truth on how things are today with the Blaster Mega in empire and low sec. Like i have been trying to get you to understand here for a veeeeeeery long time. But what happened, yes you ignored it. No i have never said that the Blaster weapons is most used. I have ONLY told that the Blaster Megathron is the most used RR gang BS in empire and low sec. I have only told you to STFU when you tried to cheat me to think that Lasers was the most used Weapons on the ABP killboard. There i told you that you was wrong, and Farjung told the same. Want cheese with your whine?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:52:00 - [1737] Originally by: NightmareX My entire viewpoint is that an Abaddon is a ship that have to be used in a more big gang to work very good, while a Blaster Mega can do solo and very small scale PVP without ANY problems. Because of the very poor tracking the Abaddon have compared to the Blaster Mega, then the Abaddon need MANY in the gang that can web the targets. Because without many webs on the targets the Abaddon is not going to hit anything. Um, the Abaddon has fantastic tracking and can track anything BC+ sized - and anything smaller than that's going to have a world of hurt if for no other reason than the drones. Notably, the Mega is similarly affected by this because the engagement range is so much smaller than that of the Abaddon. There are documented examples of Stabbers orbiting a neutron mega (no ab/speed mod) and never being hit save the 1% wrecking chance that the Abaddon has as well. What I'm trying to say here is: yes, the Mega has better tracking than the Abaddon, but they both track BS sized targets with ease, and they both have trouble tracking smaller targets. It's not as much of a net win as you'd really hope for, and really we're about to see all close range combat transversal speeds drop again (see the upcoming agility/speed nerfs). Quote: So that's what i'm saying, and that's why i say the Blaster Mega is much much more popular than the Abaddon because of that. I dunno, I doubt I'd solo in an Abaddon, but I might in a Mega. Not because the Mega is better (because I recognize that it's not), but because it's cheaper. Quote: And also because the Abaddon is a cap om nom nom nom'er at best, then i think many decide to use the more cap stable Blaster Mega over the Abaddon to. Finally, something that I can fully agree with. The Abaddon would be WTFPWNBBQ broken if it didn't have cap issues. As it stands, with the ubiquity of cap boosters, it borders on it. Without something else eating cap (RR, Reps) it's ridiculously powerful. Quote: And because when your fighting in empire and low sec, your not only going to shoot BS'es and Battlecruisers. This is why you don't fly BS's in empire wars without a really good reason - the ideal there is a CS, HAC, Recon but a BC will do in a pinch. The majority of my kills have been in Recons/BC's in lowsec (which is where I've spent the majority of my time in Eve). Quote: So in short. The Blaster Megas is limited by the range. While the Abaddon is limited to be only using in more bigger gangs to work very good. So it's all up to what you choose to use. No, the Abaddon doesn't require a large gang to work well... arguably its better in small gangs and solo than the much cheaper (and more frequently used) Geddon because of the fourth mid. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:53:00 - [1738] Originally by: NightmareX LOL, your just bitter because Farjung told you the exact truth on how things are today with the Blaster Mega in empire and low sec. Like i have been trying to get you to understand here for a veeeeeeery long time. But what happened, yes you ignored it. Um, Farjung said "yes, give up on blasters. The game has moved on and their only use is ganking empire bears on a station". -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:54:00 - [1739] It would be interesting if CCP performed some datamining to see just how many ships of each type are currently present in 0.0 and low sec empire. And of those, how many are fitted with RR It would also be interesting to compare those number with the ones before Great Speed Nerf patch - tho I'm not sure how easy it would be to obtain such statistic. Certainly the devs have all the tools available and this type of information could be useful to assess the global game balance picture, at least from some perspective. But devs are probably too lazy to bother with all the extra work
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.09 22:56:00 - [1740] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX LOL, your just bitter because Farjung told you the exact truth on how things are today with the Blaster Mega in empire and low sec. Like i have been trying to get you to understand here for a veeeeeeery long time. But what happened, yes you ignored it. Um, Farjung said "yes, give up on blasters. The game has moved on and their only use is ganking empire bears on a station". -Liang Didn't you read what he said after that?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise

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