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NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 20:30:00 - [1861] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 20:35:23 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX 1. It's my donkey setup because your donkey noob ass couldn't post anything else than the donkey 3x damage mods setup on your Abaddon. If its YOUR donkey setup do not call it mine, and i posted the abaddon fit that was best for the job if the mega has fitting issues that makes it such then this thread has done its job and you crying about it and posting stupid fits is just SAD and pathetic. The biggest noob in this thread is YOU as you did not even know how to fit a blaster ship before you started trolling here and you have still NEVER flown one... Do you know why i used it?. It's because you couldn't use anything else than your fail 3x damage mods setup. That's the reason. If you had used 2x damage mods, i would do that to. And do you really know what will happen if i take away one damage mod on my Navy Mega setup and put in either one EANM t2, or another 1600mm RTP?. LOL i will still do more DPS than you and still have a fuk ton more EHP than you. Anyways, there is a new EFT version out now, and it shows that the Abaddon and the Megathron and the Navy Mega have a little lower EHP. Gonna check that out. And i'm going to post a math over how much better the Navy Mega is with 2x damage mods than the Abaddon. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 20:35:00 - [1862] Originally by: NightmareX 1. The Neutron Mega have much more DPS than the Pulse Abaddon. Lies it has less after resists even with 3 dmg mods and fitting 3 = awful tank. Originally by: NightmareX 2. The Neutron Mega is much much more cap stable than the Abaddon. Wrong the mega needs to MWD a lot in gang combat, the only place the mega has a cap advantage is station camping carebears in empire and even then the abaddon has plenty its just less than the megas. Originally by: NightmareX 3. The Megathron is faster than the Abaddon. 18ms faster LOL... Originally by: NightmareX 4. The Megathron is 50-55 mill isk cheaper than the Abaddon. Insignificant when you factor in insurance. Originally by: NightmareX 5. The Neutron Mega have the best tracking off all of the normal BS'es. Unimportant in gang combat due to multiple webs. Originally by: NightmareX 6. Mega can fit one RR without having to take away one gun just to be able to fit one RR. So you don't lose any DPS by fitting one RR. The mega starts with 7 guns the abaddon starts with 8 so with RR fitted they both have 7. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 20:38:00 - [1863] Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 20:39:44 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX 1. It's my donkey setup because your donkey noob ass couldn't post anything else than the donkey 3x damage mods setup on your Abaddon. If its YOUR donkey setup do not call it mine, and i posted the abaddon fit that was best for the job if the mega has fitting issues that makes it such then this thread has done its job and you crying about it and posting stupid fits is just SAD and pathetic. The biggest noob in this thread is YOU as you did not even know how to fit a blaster ship before you started trolling here and you have still NEVER flown one... Do you know why i used it?. It's because you couldn't use anything else than your fail 3x damage mods setup. That's the reason. If you had used 2x damage mods, i would do that to. That only proves you a total and childish idiot, to post a stupid and worthless fit instead of a useful one because of one stat and fit another race can easily fit without gimping its ship. Originally by: NightmareX And do you really know what will happen if i take away one damage mod on my Navy Mega setup and put in either one EANM t2, or another 1600mm RTP?. LOL i will still do more DPS than you and still have a fuk ton more EHP than you. Did you learn nothing from the above comment about stupid fits or ships in this thread?...WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?. You will still have a pointless and worthless ship/fit for this thread cos you are STILL using a faction ship instead of a standard one. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 20:41:00 - [1864] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 20:45:27 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX 1. The Neutron Mega have much more DPS than the Pulse Abaddon. Lies it has less after resists even with 3 dmg mods and fitting 3 = awful tank. Originally by: NightmareX 2. The Neutron Mega is much much more cap stable than the Abaddon. Wrong the mega needs to MWD a lot in gang combat, the only place the mega has a cap advantage is station camping carebears in empire and even then the abaddon has plenty its just less than the megas. Originally by: NightmareX 3. The Megathron is faster than the Abaddon. 18ms faster LOL... Originally by: NightmareX 4. The Megathron is 50-55 mill isk cheaper than the Abaddon. Insignificant when you factor in insurance. Originally by: NightmareX 5. The Neutron Mega have the best tracking off all of the normal BS'es. Unimportant in gang combat due to multiple webs. Originally by: NightmareX 6. Mega can fit one RR without having to take away one gun just to be able to fit one RR. So you don't lose any DPS by fitting one RR. The mega starts with 7 guns the abaddon starts with 8 so with RR fitted they both have 7. 1. It have, if you don't believe it, then show me the math, or STFU. 2. Yeah it need to MWD somethimes, but did you forget to read what i wrote under that line?. Yes you did forget it or just ignored it totally. Read it and STFU. 3. I'm talking about when the MWD is on. It's way more than 18 MS faster than the Abaddon when both use MWD. 4. You still have to pay more for the insurance than i have to do on the Megathron. 5. It still have the best tracking of all large guns. So it's better for more solo / very small scale PVP works. Abaddon would die horribly to a smart Hurricane pilot. The Megathron would at least have the tracking to hit him and kill him. 6. Yeah, and this was the point i was after?. I told that YOU had to OFFER ONE GUN on your Abaddon to be able to fit one RR. The Megathron don't have to. Learn to read. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 20:45:00 - [1865] Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 20:39:44 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX 1. It's my donkey setup because your donkey noob ass couldn't post anything else than the donkey 3x damage mods setup on your Abaddon. If its YOUR donkey setup do not call it mine, and i posted the abaddon fit that was best for the job if the mega has fitting issues that makes it such then this thread has done its job and you crying about it and posting stupid fits is just SAD and pathetic. The biggest noob in this thread is YOU as you did not even know how to fit a blaster ship before you started trolling here and you have still NEVER flown one... Do you know why i used it?. It's because you couldn't use anything else than your fail 3x damage mods setup. That's the reason. If you had used 2x damage mods, i would do that to. That only proves you a total and childish idiot, to post a stupid and worthless fit instead of a useful one because of one stat and fit another race can easily fit without gimping its ship. Originally by: NightmareX And do you really know what will happen if i take away one damage mod on my Navy Mega setup and put in either one EANM t2, or another 1600mm RTP?. LOL i will still do more DPS than you and still have a fuk ton more EHP than you. Did you learn nothing from the above comment about stupid fits or ships in this thread?...WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?. You will still have a pointless and worthless ship/fit for this thread cos you are STILL using a faction ship instead of a standard one. 1. OK, be prepeared to see my stats and all with the 2x damage mods Navy Mega i'm setting up in the new EFT soonÖ. I will so lol at you when you see how much better the Navy Mega is over the Abaddon. It just adds more to the value of the Navy Mega to the isk you have to pay for the Navy Mega. 2. How many times do i have to tell you this. I don't care if it's a faction ship or not. If i want the B E S T RR, DPS and EHP combined BS, then i will buy the Navy Mega. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 20:54:00 - [1866] Originally by: NightmareX 1. OK, be prepeared to see my stats and all with the 2x damage mods Navy Mega i'm setting up in the new EFT soonÖ. I will so lol at you when you see how much better the Navy Mega is over the Abaddon. It just adds more to the value of the Navy Mega to the isk you have to pay for the Navy Mega. The only stats i am interested in seeing are those on the standard mega, do not waste your time posting stupid navy mega fits as they are pointless. Originally by: NightmareX 2. How many times do i have to tell you this. I don't care if it's a faction ship or not. If i want the B E S T RR, DPS and EHP combined BS, then i will buy the Navy Mega. This is a thread about fixing blasters and the standard mega/hyperion as they are the ships 99% of the players in eve will be flying, posrts from a sissitard about ships he has never and will never fly are worthless. Originally by: NightmareX I'm not talking about the best normal tier 1, 2 and 3 RR, DPS and EHP battleships. I want the best RR, DPS and EHP battleship in the whole EVE. Then sod off and start a thread about it as this is about normal BS not faction fits or faction ships. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 20:59:00 - [1867] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 21:00:20 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX 1. OK, be prepeared to see my stats and all with the 2x damage mods Navy Mega i'm setting up in the new EFT soonÖ. I will so lol at you when you see how much better the Navy Mega is over the Abaddon. It just adds more to the value of the Navy Mega to the isk you have to pay for the Navy Mega. The only stats i am interested in seeing are those on the standard mega, do not waste your time posting stupid navy mega fits as they are pointless. Originally by: NightmareX 2. How many times do i have to tell you this. I don't care if it's a faction ship or not. If i want the B E S T RR, DPS and EHP combined BS, then i will buy the Navy Mega. This is a thread about fixing blasters and the standard mega/hyperion as they are the ships 99% of the players in eve will be flying, posrts from a sissitard about ships he has never and will never fly are worthless. Originally by: NightmareX I'm not talking about the best normal tier 1, 2 and 3 RR, DPS and EHP battleships. I want the best RR, DPS and EHP battleship in the whole EVE. Then sod off and start a thread about it as this is about normal BS not faction fits or faction ships. 1. The Navy mega are still with BLASTERS, that are what this topic is about. Read the subject text maybe?. 2. Oh look at the tears when you saw that i did say how it is. 3. This is a topic about Blasters, not only about Mega and Hyperion with Blasters. 4. Read my point number 1. EDIT: The new EFT v2.10 is having different EHP's and DPS values now. So the stats will not get like the EFT you have Child, as long you haven't updated it your self. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:01:00 - [1868] Originally by: NightmareX 1. It have, if you don't believe it, then show me the math, or STFU. Faction ship stats are worthless, you STFU about them and your stupid useless fits. Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yeah it need to MWD somethimes, but did you forget to read what i wrote under that line?. Yes you did forget it or just ignored it totally. Read it and STFU. The only time a abaddon needs to mwd is to burn back to a gate maybe as 45km of range is plenty, the mega needs to a lot. YOU STFU. Originally by: NightmareX 5. It still have the best tracking of all large guns. So it's better for more solo / very small scale PVP works. Abaddon would die horribly to a smart Hurricane pilot. The Megathron would at least have the tracking to hit him and kill him. 1. Solo BS work is dead. 2. Small gang pvp has plenty of webs. 3. The cane pilot would have multiple webs on him and still die, and if he tried to burn away the abad has the range to kill him while the mega woulkd need to mwd. Originally by: NightmareX Yeah, and this was the point i was after?. I told that YOU had to OFFER ONE GUN on your Abaddon to be able to fit one RR. The Megathron don't have to. Learn to read. So what?, 7 guns each and a RR is 7 guns each and a RR. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:04:00 - [1869] Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 21:05:00 Originally by: NightmareX 1. The Navy mega are still with BLASTERS, that are what this topic is about. Read the subject text maybe?. 2. Oh look at the tears when you saw that i did say how it is. 3. This is a topic about Blasters, not only about Mega and Hyperion with Blasters. 4. Read my point number 1. Faction fits and ships will be treated with the "LOLS SAD LOSER NOOB FACTION PIMPING" respect they deserve for a thread about blasters and the regular and standardly fitted ships they go on. Unless you can show that the NAVY MEGA is more regularly used than the standard mega. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:10:00 - [1870] Edited by: Goumindong on 11/04/2009 21:11:05 Originally by: Childstar All the abaddons resists are HIGHER and the fit has MORE armour and EHP. If you want to compare tanks then do so with each ships tank being hit by a equal ammount of EACH AND EVERY dmg type. Because in a true gang fight you will be getting hit by them all, although a higher % of thermal due to drones. I am sorry, i should have been explicit with you. Relative values. The Abaddon gets 11.25% extra on its explosive, the Mega gets 14% extra on its kinetic. Your 3 HS abaddon [1 EANM, 2 plates] does have more armor and slightly better resists, but not enough that it makes up for the DPS of the mega, which was the question before you tried to deflect it(again) edit: But since that seems to be your only complaint i guess you will be leaving the matter settled at "they both have purpose" then?
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:16:00 - [1871] Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX 1. It have, if you don't believe it, then show me the math, or STFU. Faction ship stats are worthless, you STFU about them and your stupid useless fits. Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yeah it need to MWD somethimes, but did you forget to read what i wrote under that line?. Yes you did forget it or just ignored it totally. Read it and STFU. The only time a abaddon needs to mwd is to burn back to a gate maybe as 45km of range is plenty, the mega needs to a lot. YOU STFU. Originally by: NightmareX 5. It still have the best tracking of all large guns. So it's better for more solo / very small scale PVP works. Abaddon would die horribly to a smart Hurricane pilot. The Megathron would at least have the tracking to hit him and kill him. 1. Solo BS work is dead. 2. Small gang pvp has plenty of webs. 3. The cane pilot would have multiple webs on him and still die, and if he tried to burn away the abad has the range to kill him while the mega woulkd need to mwd. Originally by: NightmareX Yeah, and this was the point i was after?. I told that YOU had to OFFER ONE GUN on your Abaddon to be able to fit one RR. The Megathron don't have to. Learn to read. So what?, 7 guns each and a RR is 7 guns each and a RR. 1. Look, your to scared to just admit it that the Navy Mega pwns the Abaddon in EHP, DPS and tracking and cap stability. 2. MWDing 30 secs out of 43 sec is alot. And still the Neutron Mega have the same cap usage as the Abaddon that ONLY shoot after 43 secs. 3. a) Solo BS is dead for those who are uber lazy to not find where you can get that. b) Plenty of webs?, it depends on how many you are in this very small scale PVP gang. And on how many you are going to fight. c) Are you saying the Abaddon would have double webs on it's ship if a Hurricane catch one Abaddon that jumps in 15km from the gate alone?. Remember, it's not always you have a gang with you all the time when you are moving ships etc etc. The Hurricane would ass **** the Abaddon if the Hurricane had stayed in a 500m orbit at max normal speed. The Hurricane doesn't have to MWD or move away from the Abaddon if he's staying very close to the Abaddon and orbits it at 500m. 4. Still, the Abaddon have to lose one gun for one RR. The Megathron don't have to lose any DPS by fitting one RR. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:28:00 - [1872] Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 21:35:08 Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Childstar All the abaddons resists are HIGHER and the fit has MORE armour and EHP. 2 x anp mega 71.4em, 62.8th, 62.8ki, 48.5ex. 1 x eanm aba 76.1em, 68.9th, 64.1ki, 61.7ex. If you want to compare tanks then do so with each ships tank being hit by a equal ammount of EACH AND EVERY dmg type. Because in a true gang fight you will be getting hit by them all, although a higher % of thermal due to drones. I am sorry, i should have been explicit with you. Relative values. The Abaddon gets 11.25% extra on its explosive, the Mega gets 14% extra on its kinetic. Your 3 HS abaddon [1 EANM, 2 plates] does have more armor and slightly better resists, but not enough that it makes up for the DPS of the mega, which was the question before you tried to deflect it(again) Im not trying to deflect anything you are. 1. Comparing unfitted stats when you know the mega has fitting issues is pathetically obvious. 2. After fitting it is 4.7em, 6.1th, 1,3ki 13.2ex more resists for the abad with 3,897 more armour and 31,348 more EHP. Mega has 31,454 armour and 118,388 EHP. Abad has 35,351 armour and 149,678 EHP. The mega MAY (i cannot be bothered to work it out at the moment) have a very marginal greater DPS after relative resists. But considering this is at BLASTER OPTIMAL, the abad has 300% more range + plenty more tank with no holes its very clear that the megas MAYBE slight more damage is nothing. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 21:30:00 - [1873] Originally by: NightmareX Blah blah blah rant about solo BS pvp, 1 v 1 fights and faction ships Do you have anything worthwhile to add?. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:11:00 - [1874] Originally by: Goumindong This is not true. All hardeners have a proportionally similar effect no matter the resistance they are boosting. No. The percentage decrease in damage received is greater the lower the starting resists. Originally by: Goumindong Your evaluation fails in three areas. 1. It gets the numbers wrong. The resistances are not 40% and 10%, but 55% and 25%. I know. This doesn't matter. Stick your own numbers in if you think it will make any difference. Originally by: Goumindong 2. Effective hit points is what matters, and singular resistance modules can be substituted for plates and damage mods which will have a proportionately greater effect. This was NOT the argument you were making, and I agree that in a lot of situations plates and damage mods are better than resists. HOWEVER, the closer you can get your resists to uniform, the better you will do against uniform damage for a given number of hardener slots. Originally by: Goumindong The only time you get close to making the case for specific hardeners is on BS sized shield tanks since their tanking modules do not compete with their damage mods and since extenders on the BS level are less strong compared to plates. Again, you are changing your argument. The original argument was about 'omni-hardening' vs 'hole-plugging'. Originally by: Goumindong The fact that you are wrong can also be proven quite easily. Load up EFT and get a blank battleship hull. Stick a single Explosive hardener on it. Record the EHP. EHP/DPS is how long it takes to kill you. Since DPS will be constant in our example we can record the relative differences of each module. Higher is better. Mega: 1 Exp Hard II: 35,143 OMNI EHP (overloaded 35,850) Mega: 1 EANM II: 36,481 OMNI EHP Mega: 1 ANP II: 35,304 OMNI EHP Mega: 1 Plate: 40,160 OMNI EHP As you can see, the EANM strictly beats the EXP hardener in all situations for the same CPU use. An ANP beats it with 0 CPU use unless you're overloading.(and there is no reason to fit an ANP if you can fit an EANM instead, which you can do if you're fitting an explosive hardener there ;) Energized Reactive Membrane II: 37.5 total resistance boost. EANM II: 80% total resistance bonus. Now is it really a surprise that the EANM is better for EHP? Having looked at the stats I actually concede that an EANM is better than a specific hardener, but only because it has vastly better total resistance boosts. Originally by: Goumindong This of course is all very obvious. The question then becomes not "does a single module win" its "what happens when you get stacking penalties" and the answer is always, invariably "unless you know what damage type the other guy is going to be doing, you want to omni tank" I'm not sure this is true. While I haven't done the maths for it, but I suspect that since stacking penalties will hit multiple EANM's, while not hitting specific hardeners of different damage types, it will actually work out in favour of 'hole plugging'. NOTE TO SELF: Look at the actual figures next time. Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:26:00 - [1875] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 22:29:34 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Blah blah blah rant about solo BS pvp, 1 v 1 fights and faction ships Do you have anything worthwhile to add?. Yes i do, but do you?. Ok, here is a math on how the stats and that is with the Navy Mega with 2x damage mods against the Abaddon with 3x damage mods. The Navy Mega have 1x Damage Control II, 3x Coreli ANP's, 1x EANM II, 1x 1600mm RTP and 2x MFS II's. Yes the Navy Mega have a Heavy Capacitor Booster II and one RR in this setup to. The Abaddon does have 1x Damage Control II, 2x Amarr Navy EANM's, 1x 1600mm RTP and 3x HS II's. And it have 7 guns and one RR. Both of the setups here is with 3x t1 Trimarks. All of the setups and stats are with 'All skills on level 5' in EFT v2.10 (The new version). The Navy Mega here have 152705 EHP with 79.9% EM, 73.9% Thermal & Kinetic and 63.8% Explosive resists. The Abaddon here have 142111 EHP with 82.7% EM, 77.5% Thermal, 74% Kinetic and 72.3% Explosive resists. That's 7% more EHP on the Navy Mega than the Abaddon have. The Navy mega have 26921 armor HP while the Abaddon here have 24144 armor HP. That's 24144 + 11.5% = 26920,56, that is the same as the Navy mega have in armor HP. So the Navy Mega have 11.5% more armor HP than the Abaddon have. Now lets go to the Neutrons and the Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo. The Caldari Navy Antimatter L does 32.2 kinetic damage and 23 thermal damage. Then we take 32.2 damage minus the 74% Kinetic resist the Abaddon have to kinetic. And that damage will then be 8,372 damage. Then we take the Thermal damage that is 23 minus the 77.5% Thermal resist your Abaddon have. And that will be 5,175 damage. And 8,372 damage + 5,175 damage = 13,547 damage. Now take the 13,547 damage and then multiple it with the gun damage mod on the Neutrons with 2x MFS II's. The gun damage mod on the Neutron Mega with 2x MFS II's are 9.92537. Now take 13,547 x 9.92537 = 134,45898739. Now lets go to the Pulses and the Amarr Navy Multifrequency L. The Amarr Navy Multifrequency L does 32.2 EM damage and 23 Thermal damage. Then we take the 32.2 EM damage minus the 79.9% EM resists i have on the Navy Mega. And that is 6,4722 damage. And then take the 23 Thermal damage minus the 73.9% Thermal resist i have on my Navy Mega. And that will be 6,003 damage. And 6,4722 damage + 6,003 damage = 12,4752 damage. Now take the 12,4752 damage and then multiple it with the gun damage mod. The gun damage mod on the Pulse Abaddon with 3x HS II's are 8.99289. Now take 12,4752 x 8.99289 = 112,188101328. And 112.2 + 19.83% = 134,44926. Yeah that's the closest i take the score on the Navy Mega's gun damage on the Neutrons. So the Navy Mega is doing 19.83% more DPS with 2x MFS II's over the Abaddon with 3x HS II's. Now take the ROF into the picture here. The Abaddon with 3x damage mods have a ROF of 4.33527 secs, while the Neutron Navy Mega with 2x damage mods have a ROF of 4.61155 secs. Now take the 4.33527 secs ROF the Abaddon have and + it with 6.38% = 4,611860226 that is about the same ROF the t2 Neutrons have. So the Pulses here have 6.38% faster ROF than the Neutrons. So now we take the 19.83% damage advantage the Navy Mega had before the ROF was taken in, and then we - it with 6.38%. And 19.83 - 6.38 = 13,45%. So now when we have taken EVERYTHING into the math here, then the Navy Mega are doing 13,45% more DPS than the Abaddon at 4.5 km. Now take the drones to into this calculation. The Navy Mega with 5x Ogre II drones are doing 317 DPS while the Abaddon with 3x Ogre II 190 DPS. The drones have a duration of 4 secs here. And 190 + 66.8% more DPS = 316,92, also pretty accurate to 317 DPS. Continues on next reply............... Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:27:00 - [1876] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 22:34:30 Lets look at cap stability now. The Pulse Abaddon use 2400 cap ONLY by the 7x guns after 43 seconds, while the Navy Mega with 2x MFS II's use 955,5 cap every 46 seconds by only using the guns. So lets say that the Abaddon doesn't have to use the MWD. And then we look at the Navy Mega again. First the Navy Mega use 955.5 cap every 46 seconds with the guns only. And then we use the MWD for 2 cycles, and that's 955.5 cap on the guns + 594 cap per cycles on the MWD. So that will be 955.5 + 1188 = 2143,5 cap used. But you can still use the RR one time to on the Navy Mega. And the RR use 189 cap per cycle. So you can then use it one time to within those 46 seconds. So 2143,5 + 189 = 2332,5. And that's lower cap usage on the Navy mega after all that than the Abaddon have after 43 seconds by ONLY shooting. So in short, lets see what the Navy Mega is better than the Abaddon at: 1. The Navy Mega have 7% more EHP on the Navy Mega than the Abaddon. 2. The Navy Mega have 11.5% more armor HP than the Abaddon have. 3. The Navy Mega is doing 13,45% more DPS with the guns only than the Abaddon at 4.5 km. 4. The Navy Mega with 5x Ogre II's are doing 66.8% more DPS with it's drones that have a duration of 4 secs than the Abaddon with 3x Ogre II's is doing. 5. The Navy Mega have 76-77% better tracking like i said earlier. 6. When both of the ships are using MWD, the Navy Mega is 115 m/s faster than the Abaddon. 7.The Navy Mega is more cap stable than the Abaddon. The Navy Mega after 46 second and after shoting all that time and using the MWD for 2 cycles and the RR for 1 cycle, the Navy Mega still after 46 seconds have lower cap usage than the Abaddon have used in cap after 43 secs. And IF the Abaddon have to use the MWD within those 43 seconds, then he will screw the cap stability against the Navy Mega even more. 8. The Navy Mega is the coolest looking BS in the game. 9. The Navy Mega is the best RR, DPS and EHP combined ship you can get. So when you look at all of this, you know why i choose the Navy Mega before any other BS'es, even when the Navy Mega cost as it does. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:32:00 - [1877] Originally by: Karentaki Originally by: Goumindong stuff more stuff You are right about plug and plate but it depends on the ship it it fitted on, FOR EXAMPLE the phoons plug and plate fit shown in this thread is great and has awsome coverage of ALL resists and very nice EHP. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:34:00 - [1878] Originally by: NightmareX blah blah blah faction fit + faction ship blah blah Why are you wasting your time?. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:35:00 - [1879] Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 22:34:52 Originally by: NightmareX Yet more worthless stats from a faction ship. Whatever. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:39:00 - [1880] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 22:42:14 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX blah blah blah faction fit + faction ship blah blah Why are you wasting your time?. I'm not wasting my time at all because your fun to make fun of when you can't do maths right. And when you think the Navy Mega is not worth the isk it cost. Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 22:34:52 Originally by: NightmareX Yet more worthless stats from a faction ship. Whatever. Nice, posting 2 replies just to say one thing is really for the cool. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:47:00 - [1881] Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 22:48:22 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX blah blah blah faction fit + faction ship blah blah Why are you wasting your time?. I'm not wasting my time at all because your fun to make fun of when you can't do maths right. And when you think the Navy Mega is not worth the isk it cost. 600 mil for: 1. The same DPS and weapons range as a normal mega (4.5KM). 2. ONLY 10k (7%) more EHP than the abaddon. 3. LOWER resists than the abaddon. 4. A MASSIVE bullseye painted on your ship, right underneath the sign syaing "hello im primary MELT ME PLEASE"... IT IS NOT WORTH IT. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:47:00 - [1882] Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX blah blah blah faction fit + faction ship blah blah Why are you wasting your time?. I'm not wasting my time at all because your fun to make fun of when you can't do maths right. And when you think the Navy Mega is not worth the isk it cost. 600 mil for: 1. The same DPS and weapons range as a normal mega (4.5KM). 2. ONLY 10k more EHP than the abaddon. 3. LOWER resists than the abaddon. 4. A MASSIVE bullseye painted on your ship, right underneath the sign syaing "hello im primary"... IT IS NOT WORTH IT. Not worth it for you, but for me and probably many others it is. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:52:00 - [1883] Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 22:53:52 Originally by: NightmareX Not worth it for you, but for me and probably many others it is. No its not worth it, and you are only saying its worth it because you have never flown it and never will. Its a stupid pointless and expensive fit and i suggest you read point 4 again. Now post a fit for a proper/regularly used standard mega or go away and stop making pointless fits. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 22:56:00 - [1884] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 22:57:33 Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 22:53:52 Originally by: NightmareX Not worth it for you, but for me and probably many others it is. No its not worth it, and you are only saying its worth it because you have never flown it and never will. Its a stupid pointless and expensive fit and i suggest you read point 4 again. Now post a fit for a proper/regularly used standard mega or go away and stop making pointless fits. LOL, i know it's worth it even if i haven't flown it before. Even after i lose it i will still say it's worth it by miles. Well, for a poor and lazy PVPer like you, that only have to press F1 if the weapons are grouped or F1-F8 if not and then only watch some fireworks. Maybe you should find ways to earn more isk heh?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 23:01:00 - [1885] Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 23:03:36 Originally by: NightmareX LOL, i know it's worth it even if i haven't flown it before. LOL typical NightmareX statment...no XP, no idea, no truth, no clue, no intention of actually flying it, ............................................................................ and no chance of anybody actually believing you that you will fly it. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 23:03:00 - [1886] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 23:06:48 Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX LOL, i know it's worth it even if i haven't flown it before. LOL typical NightmareX statment...no XP, no idea, no truth, no clue, no intention of flting it, ............................................................................ and no chance of anybody actually believing you that you will fly it. Do you even know WHY i did buy the Navy Mega to begin with?. No you don't. Use 15-20 mins to think about it and come back and tell me what you have found out. EDIT: Just to add. I was 2 seconds from buying a Machariel with a Core X-Type MWD before i buyed the Navy Mega. But i changed my mind totally right in time after i saw some facts. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 23:07:00 - [1887] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX LOL, i know it's worth it even if i haven't flown it before. LOL typical NightmareX statment...no XP, no idea, no truth, no clue, no intention of flting it, ............................................................................ and no chance of anybody actually believing you that you will fly it. Do you even know WHY i did buy the Navy Mega to begin with?. No you don't. Use 15-20 mins to think about it and come back and tell me what you have found out. So you could fit it with a pimped faction fit and after every mirror get moved in it to FD- so you can play YOUR easy mode, epeen posting in FD- local version of eve online.... Everybody knows that pal its hardly a secret and i do not need 15 seconds let alone 15mins to think about it.... Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 23:09:00 - [1888] Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX LOL, i know it's worth it even if i haven't flown it before. LOL typical NightmareX statment...no XP, no idea, no truth, no clue, no intention of flting it, ............................................................................ and no chance of anybody actually believing you that you will fly it. Do you even know WHY i did buy the Navy Mega to begin with?. No you don't. Use 15-20 mins to think about it and come back and tell me what you have found out. So you could fit it with a pimped faction fit and after every mirror get moved in it to FD- so you can play YOUR easy mode, epeen posting in FD- local version of eve online.... Everybody knows that pal its hardly a secret and i do not need 15 seconds let alone 15mins to think about it.... More whine to come with?. Seriously dude, if you have nothing more to add to this topic than crying, whining and trolling, then please leave this topic and never come back. At least add some nice stuffs like i did with the Navy Mega. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Childstar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.04.11 23:12:00 - [1889] Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 23:12:42 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Do you even know WHY i did buy the Navy Mega to begin with?. No you don't. Use 15-20 mins to think about it and come back and tell me what you have found out. So you could fit it with a pimped faction fit and after every mirror get moved in it to FD- so you can play YOUR easy mode, epeen posting in FD- local version of eve online.... Everybody knows that pal its hardly a secret and i do not need 15 seconds let alone 15mins to think about it.... At least add some nice stuffs like i did with the Navy Mega. You have added nothing to this thread but stupid fits on stupid ships and a whole lot of troll. Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.11 23:17:00 - [1890] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2009 23:19:36 Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 23:12:42 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Childstar Originally by: NightmareX Do you even know WHY i did buy the Navy Mega to begin with?. No you don't. Use 15-20 mins to think about it and come back and tell me what you have found out. So you could fit it with a pimped faction fit and after every mirror get moved in it to FD- so you can play YOUR easy mode, epeen posting in FD- local version of eve online.... Everybody knows that pal its hardly a secret and i do not need 15 seconds let alone 15mins to think about it.... At least add some nice stuffs like i did with the Navy Mega. You have added nothing to this thread but stupid fits on stupid ships and a whole lot of troll. Should i really reply to those cry replies?. No i shouldn't tbh. Ok dude, i'll let you have the last man to post in this topic. Because you last replies will be nothing more than whines, crying and trolling anyways. So only because i wont reply much to you from now on, it doesn't mean i have left the topic or are believing you in any ways. It only means i'm ignoring your utterly ******ed whine, cry and troll posts. So from now on, say whatever you like to say as long is nothing that have with this topic to do. Enjoy the spams from Childstar now. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise

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