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bbotn	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:23:00 - [331] Originally by: Zeko Rena Originally by: Boscombe Sadly, due to other half's recent loss of job and other (uninteresting) family stuff I am unable to spend a fortune on a gaming PC. I could, however, justify my regular late night hour and/or occasional weekend indulgence on Eve... gameplay more important than graphics every time. Hopefully I can claim back the almost 2(two) months I can't use. No more missioning/mining/selling BPC sets for me for this year. Farewell all those I've passed in the last 5 years, hopefully we'll meet in cyberspace again one day I love people who seem to presume they have to spend a fortune to get a pc capable of running EVE Lite, do you research... Well done, lite will NOT be supported shortly and some have less than about ú20 a month spare total. Enjoy your game as it's sadly not my game any more. You seem happy some are excluded, does that make you feel in some way superior? Hope you grow compassion one day.
Captain Plumbo Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:28:00 - [332] I sympatize with those who can't play EVE after the new expansion, but I fully support CCP in their decision of dropping the classic client. I expect that support for SM 2.0 will be removed later as well. There may be a (temporary) solution for some though; Originally by: Captain Plumbo If you have bad performace running EVE on SM 2.0 on you card you may get better performace forcing SM 1.4 or even 1.1. Check this thread for how to use EVE with 3D Analyze. You can even run EVE on cards that don't support SM 2.0 at all.
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:34:00 - [333] Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:35:23 Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:34:48 Originally by: bbotn Originally by: Zeko Rena Originally by: Boscombe Sadly, due to other half's recent loss of job and other (uninteresting) family stuff I am unable to spend a fortune on a gaming PC. I could, however, justify my regular late night hour and/or occasional weekend indulgence on Eve... gameplay more important than graphics every time. Hopefully I can claim back the almost 2(two) months I can't use. No more missioning/mining/selling BPC sets for me for this year. Farewell all those I've passed in the last 5 years, hopefully we'll meet in cyberspace again one day I love people who seem to presume they have to spend a fortune to get a pc capable of running EVE Lite, do you research... Well done, lite will NOT be supported shortly and some have less than about ú20 a month spare total. Enjoy your game as it's sadly not my game any more. You seem happy some are excluded, does that make you feel in some way superior? Hope you grow compassion one day. Dude if you cannot afford to spend 20 bucks to get your computer capable of running EVE then what the **** are you doing playing video games at all mate. Im not happy that some are excluded, althought with that said the people who seem to be unable to play are either excessive whiners, or people who think that they are special and that a client should be kept up and running for them because there too poor to spend 20 bucks on there computer like yourself. --------------------------
whiskey101 Gallente VITUPERATED HYSTERIA	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:40:00 - [334] HELL NO WE WONT GO! HELL NO WE WONT GO! BRING BACK CLASSIC! BRING BACK CLASSIC! HELL NO WE WONT GO! WE WANT CLASSIC
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:45:00 - [335] Originally by: Alexi Garyn You make some valid points about my intention with the laptop and i agree that in the long run it has its limits. And although it may slow down the development of future content a small amount, CCP has grown from 16 developers to more than a few hundred employees no? They are a business and they need to cater to the needs of their customers. This isn't a whine about some balance feature or nerfing something, people just want to be able to play the game they have been enjoying for quite some time. If you are right and the % of players using the classic client is a tiny percentage of the overall population then you are right they should probably kill it off and push on. But i suspect that isnt the case and there are ALOT of people who run Classic either out of economic or convenience reasons. It just seems a bad time to remove this "feature" during possibly one of the worst economic downturns in 70 years, limiting people's capabilities to upgrade to the needed equipment. It would be interesting to see some hard facts on the actual figures of who used classic vs premium before the patch. All i know is that many of the players i have run into while playing the game enjoyed Eve because it was A) a deep game with a great community and B)had low access requirements (aka they didnt have to buy the new Quad Core Hyperthreading blah blah blah) in order to actually play it. If this is going to be the new direction so be it, but alot of people at this very moment in time are going to feel the pinch Well that's the thing, Prem. Lite still doesn't require that much to play and even Premium graphics (despite their misleading name) don't require that much to play at all. I understand how people can be miffed about not being able to play anymore, but it's no different than being miffed that they can't play a new game which has higher game specifications. With your point to the economic situation, I agree on that one, it isn't the best time, but this isn't the sort of thing that would have been decided in the past few weeks, developers think long-term, so more than likely this was thought before-hand, when jobs were easier to get ahold of (here in the UK that is, so i'm speaking more for my end than yours might be) and such. Delaying it another year or two maybe, would have had the same results, people would still be arguing over it, the difference is the results of which would be even more ridiculous. For example, let's face it, within a month or two, the equipment you've just splashed out on on that nice new rig is already out of the date and the new game around the corner? you won't be able to run it on max settings at all. That's a more extreme situation, EVE is running dark-age requirements these days, and if it's getting to the degree it's holding progress back on a game, then that pretty much does need to be cut, some might disagree, others may agree, and in this case, it's the pathway CCP has chosen. Upgrading a PC with a newer graphics card (it doesn't have to be a top of the line one) really shouldn't be complaining at all. Although if it's a laptop that can't be upgraded or isn't specified for gaming, then you aren't really expected to be able to play it anyway. In that case, it's definitely more unfortunate. If you could run classic, but can't run Premium Lite, you really shouldn't be using that to even attempt to play games on it, sad, but that's the way it is. I'd like to see some statistics too, I used to use classic myself for the larger fleet flights, but turning everything down on premium lite gives me the exact same performance (even better most of the time). But it'd be good to look at, I agree.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:47:00 - [336] Originally by: whiskey101 HELL NO WE WONT GO! HELL NO WE WONT GO! BRING BACK CLASSIC! BRING BACK CLASSIC! HELL NO WE WONT GO! WE WANT CLASSIC Why the hell are you not banned yet?
Rhakmananoff	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:48:00 - [337] Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:31 Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:07 Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:35:23 Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:34:48 Dude if you cannot afford to spend 20 bucks to get your computer capable of running EVE then what the **** are you doing playing video games at all mate. Im not happy that some are excluded, althought with that said the people who seem to be unable to play are either excessive whiners, or people who think that they are special and that a client should be kept up and running for them because there too poor to spend 20 bucks on there computer like yourself. Every single one of you people ignores the people who have laptops.
Night Nerub Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:50:00 - [338] Edited by: Night Nerub on 12/03/2009 21:57:21 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Belmarduk UO died a horrible death - You want that to happen with Eve ??? Get a new PC if you have an ancient machine or STOP playing Eve.Period !! Last UO patch/publish was implemented march 11 2009. Pretty good trick for a dead game. Dead as in minor market share. Something like under 100k. Edit: link to show my proof. http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html notice it's somewhere in the 80k ish...
whiskey101 Gallente VITUPERATED HYSTERIA	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:52:00 - [339] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: whiskey101 HELL NO WE WONT GO! HELL NO WE WONT GO! BRING BACK CLASSIC! BRING BACK CLASSIC! HELL NO WE WONT GO! WE WANT CLASSIC Why the hell are you not banned yet? WHY?? wat have i done wrong? im just expressing how others feel and you, im about to get an upgrade to my PC momentarily.. and when i do, Im going to see how much better this is.. how long should i expect to wait for the next patch/upgrade/update/expansion..wat ever its called..?
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:57:00 - [340] Originally by: whiskey101 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: whiskey101 HELL NO WE WONT GO! HELL NO WE WONT GO! BRING BACK CLASSIC! BRING BACK CLASSIC! HELL NO WE WONT GO! WE WANT CLASSIC Why the hell are you not banned yet? WHY?? wat have i done wrong? im just expressing how others feel and you, im about to get an upgrade to my PC momentarily.. and when i do, Im going to see how much better this is.. how long should i expect to wait for the next patch/upgrade/update/expansion..wat ever its called..? Because you're spamming meaningless trash. Well, seeing as EVE has been out for a fair few years before needed a computer upgrade, consider yourself safe enough to get the cash for a new one.
Loyal Servant Caldari PURE Legion	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:28:00 - [341] FULL STOP It's not in the best interests of CCP or you if they keep old tech going. It's the same whiners like you that got the US gov't to change the DTV drop dead date to the middle of the fracking storm season. So, think about that... the same whiners that whined that they did not have the converter box will be the ones in June that whine that the gov't should give them a new house because they had no TV and a tornado went thru town and they could not get information - because 'they did not know' or whatever lame excuse they come up with.. which is why making people get off their asses to DO something is better than bending over backwards for them. READ: You need a new video card GET OVER IT.
Rilwar 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:33:00 - [342] Edited by: Rilwar on 12/03/2009 22:36:44 Originally by: Euriti I for one think that CCP should upgrade to a DX10 engine and scrap the premium lite client. It's using space on my harddisk for graphic files I don't use and I feel i could use the space better. Honestly, in this day and age some odd 4.5GB is really not-complainable. If you're using a drive with that low of capacity to where 4.5GB is alarming, well, I'd hate to see your load times. =x ---O-H--S-H-I-T---
Rilwar 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:36:00 - [343] Originally by: Rhakmananoff Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:31 Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:07 Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:35:23 Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:34:48 Dude if you cannot afford to spend 20 bucks to get your computer capable of running EVE then what the **** are you doing playing video games at all mate. Im not happy that some are excluded, althought with that said the people who seem to be unable to play are either excessive whiners, or people who think that they are special and that a client should be kept up and running for them because there too poor to spend 20 bucks on there computer like yourself. Every single one of you people ignores the people who have laptops. Obviously laptop users whos laptops aren't able to run the new client got boned the hardest, that isn't refutable. Conversely, of course laptop users are being ignored with every "upgrade your video card" comment - you have no option besides a new rig, hence no reason to address a solution to you, hence getting ignored. It might be harsh or callous, but it is reality. ---O-H--S-H-I-T---
Boscombe	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:57:00 - [344] Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:35:23 Dude if you cannot afford to spend 20 bucks to get your computer capable of running EVE then what the **** are you doing playing video games at all mate. Im not happy that some are excluded, althought with that said the people who seem to be unable to play are either excessive whiners, or people who think that they are special and that a client should be kept up and running for them because there too poor to spend 20 bucks on there computer like yourself. NOT happy, just smug then? My point was more about loving the gameplay in EVE rather than the graphics was what hooked me in, but that's just opinion and probably not relevant. I don't see any whining in your quoted post, but whatever makes you feel good dude Peace out, hope to be back one day as I love this game...
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:02:00 - [345] Originally by: Rhakmananoff Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:31 Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:07 Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:35:23 Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:34:48 Dude if you cannot afford to spend 20 bucks to get your computer capable of running EVE then what the **** are you doing playing video games at all mate. Im not happy that some are excluded, althought with that said the people who seem to be unable to play are either excessive whiners, or people who think that they are special and that a client should be kept up and running for them because there too poor to spend 20 bucks on there computer like yourself. Every single one of you people ignores the people who have laptops. Thats because if your gaming on a laptop your a moron and not worth even acknowleding --------------------------
Rilwar 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:05:00 - [346] Edited by: Rilwar on 12/03/2009 23:05:45 Originally by: Zeko Rena ~~Thats~~ That's because if your gaming on a laptop your a moron and not worth even ~~acknowleding~~ acknowledging Fixed your post for you. ---O-H--S-H-I-T---
Sir Ibex	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:07:00 - [347] Originally by: Zeko Rena Originally by: Rhakmananoff Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:31 Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:07 Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:35:23 Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:34:48 Dude if you cannot afford to spend 20 bucks to get your computer capable of running EVE then what the **** are you doing playing video games at all mate. Im not happy that some are excluded, althought with that said the people who seem to be unable to play are either excessive whiners, or people who think that they are special and that a client should be kept up and running for them because there too poor to spend 20 bucks on there computer like yourself. Every single one of you people ignores the people who have laptops. Thats because if your gaming on a laptop your a moron and not worth even acknowleding No the real moran here is you, because you judge people. What right do you have to tell people how they should or shouldn't play eve? It's really none of your business to tell people if they can play on the laptop or not. Signed and supported 100% Thumbs up.
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:08:00 - [348] Originally by: Rilwar Edited by: Rilwar on 12/03/2009 23:05:45 Originally by: Zeko Rena ~~Thats~~ That's because if your gaming on a laptop your a moron and not worth even ~~acknowleding~~ acknowledging Fixed your post for you. Thanks --------------------------
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:12:00 - [349] Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 23:15:19 Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 23:12:48 Originally by: Sir Ibex Originally by: Zeko Rena Originally by: Rhakmananoff Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:31 Edited by: Rhakmananoff on 12/03/2009 21:49:07 Originally by: Zeko Rena Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:35:23 Edited by: Zeko Rena on 12/03/2009 21:34:48 Dude if you cannot afford to spend 20 bucks to get your computer capable of running EVE then what the **** are you doing playing video games at all mate. Im not happy that some are excluded, althought with that said the people who seem to be unable to play are either excessive whiners, or people who think that they are special and that a client should be kept up and running for them because there too poor to spend 20 bucks on there computer like yourself. Every single one of you people ignores the people who have laptops. Thats because if your gaming on a laptop your a moron and not worth even acknowleding No the real moran here is you, because you judge people. What right do you have to tell people how they should or shouldn't play eve? It's really none of your business to tell people if they can play on the laptop or not. Signed and supported 100% Thumbs up. Hey they can play EVE on whatever they want i dont care but if there gonna cry like girls when there laptop cant run EVE anymore when thats not what most laptops are made for then they deserve to be ignored. EDIT: By the way what is a "Moran"? --------------------------
JimBob666 Minmatar Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:25:00 - [350] Welcome to the world of computing! If your going to play computer games you better expect to upgrade your machine once in a while! You dont expect every new game to be fully compatible with hardware several years old, so how can you expect EvE expansions to stay stuck in the past? It doesnt cost alot to upgrade your Graphics card to something that is supported by eve. Personally, I try and build a new machine every 3 years if I can offord it! ------------------------ I need a new sig :(
Fifenren	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:32:00 - [351] Edited by: Fifenren on 12/03/2009 23:37:02 Once again, i'll post this... Most of the people in here are crying because they have laptops with integrated Intel graphics (GMA) or VIA Integrated graphics. integrated Intel GPU's and VIA GPU's are not meant for gaming and the benchmarks show it, they are simply there to display an image on the screen, the average integrated intel and VIA GPU can't even get near the FPS to what an old dedicated gaming card can get. So if you bought a laptop or PC with an Intel or VIA chip it's your own fault, the computer/laptop in question was not built for gaming, a computer or laptop built for gaming in mind has a dedicated ATI or Nvidia GPU inside. Image showing Integrated vs Dedicated graphics. Basically, if you have a laptop or PC with integrated Intel GMA graphics or VIA Chrome graphics, you don't have a right to complain, they aren't gaming graphics chips and you are lucky they played the classic client at all, PC Gaming isn't going to wait for someone who didn't even buy a PC capable of gaming in the first place.
Emywn Vanya Caldari Redemption or Retribution The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:37:00 - [352] For people who have laptops: because you complain your being ignored. While you cant upgrade your graphics card, there can be software solutions for your problems, i assume most of the problems revolve around you not having the right pixel shader... use google, theres programs out there that will allow you to fake the shader... its going to look like crap but then again so did the classic client. And yes a moderate level of computing experience is needed. ... which if you have you probably would be smart enough to go get a new gaming rig... if you can afford beer/smokes you can afford a new rig ----------------------- The answer is 42
Discrodia Gallente Independent Miners Guild	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:40:00 - [353] Umm... Using the power of math (OMG! So hard!) at minimum wage in US (Somewhere around 6-7 dollars) if u work an 8 hour day @ a fast-food place you can get about 40-50 dollars a day. Multiply by 14, and you get $700. Gratz! If you have 8 hours a day not playing EVE, and are over 16 (In US again) if you work for 2 weeks you can get a good comp very soon! ______________________________________________ I may be a highsec carebear.... but feel free to ask for a T1 frigate duel any day.
Zeko Rena Caldari Tankt	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:55:00 - [354] Originally by: Discrodia Umm... Using the power of math (OMG! So hard!) at minimum wage in US (Somewhere around 6-7 dollars) if u work an 8 hour day @ a fast-food place you can get about 40-50 dollars a day. Multiply by 14, and you get $700. Gratz! If you have 8 hours a day not playing EVE, and are over 16 (In US again) if you work for 2 weeks you can get a good comp very soon! Well you would have to facture in expense's --------------------------
Rilwar 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:01:00 - [355] Edited by: Rilwar on 13/03/2009 00:05:12 Originally by: Discrodia Umm... Using the power of math (OMG! So hard!) at minimum wage in US (Somewhere around 6-7 dollars) if u work an 8 hour day @ a fast-food place you can get about 40-50 dollars a day. Multiply by 14, and you get $700. Gratz! If you have 8 hours a day not playing EVE, and are over 16 (In US again) if you work for 2 weeks you can get a good comp very soon! You forgot taxes. I lose over $500 a week to taxes, and that's after making close to a 2.5k a week When I made the money you're talking about, I made around $150-$230 a week take-home. ---O-H--S-H-I-T---
skuggan	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:11:00 - [356] I play EVE on my laptop, and the change from Classic to Premium lite actually increased my FPS, and overall gameplay seems alot more smooth, and definetly more eyecandy'ish \o/ Thanks for ditching that old client CCP! -- Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.
Rilwar 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:15:00 - [357] My alt's PC was affected in the same way. I'm going out on a limb and guessing that now that CCP isn't wasting time (Read: P!issing into the wind) by developing for 2 different games at the same time, they get to optimize the now one game for a much broader lineup of PC's. Note that broader encompasses modern graphics capable PC's only. Oh, I bought a new videocard for it just to say I had to upgrade like the whiners. \o/ ---O-H--S-H-I-T---
Captain Plumbo Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:27:00 - [358] Edited by: Captain Plumbo on 13/03/2009 00:34:52 Originally by: Rilwar ~~Thats~~ That's because if ~~your~~ you're gaming on a laptop ~~your~~ you're a moron and not even worth ~~even~~ ~~acknowleding~~ acknowledging. Dude, I totally fixed the post that you fixed
Aalana Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:39:00 - [359] I've seen a noticeable drop in performance when running x3 clients at a time. Tbh I don't give a s&*t what the ship models look like when I'm flying 3 accounts simultaneously in PVP. I just want to kill stuff with as minimal latency as possible. So yes, classic graphics client, I want it back.
Captain Plumbo Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.13 00:46:00 - [360] Originally by: Aalana ... when I'm flying 3 accounts simultaneously in PVP. Yes, this will create much sympathy to your situation

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