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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ms Delerium on 10/03/2009 23:11:49 when we subscribed Eve we werent told we would have to spend some hundreds updating our rigs just for playing the damn game.
at the same time I presume you CCP won't give back our isk - ehr I mean the dollarz
so we need a solution. Give us the possibility to get uberlow graphics so we can keep playing decently.
Notice that: "upgrade your computer" "my cousin got a 4 year-old computer that works fine" "get a job" "if you can spend 15/month you can afford 400 for a rig"
are not acceptable answers.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium Edited by: Ms Delerium on 10/03/2009 23:11:49
Notice that: "upgrade your computer" "my cousin got a 4 year-old computer that works fine" "get a job" "if you can spend 15/month you can afford 400 for a rig"
are not acceptable answers.
yes, yes they are.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:13:00 -
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Where do you live that it requires thousands? It cost me about $400 to go from classic to premium and that wasn't even the reason why I upgraded.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium Edited by: Ms Delerium on 10/03/2009 23:11:49 when we subscribed Eve we werent told we would have to spend some hundreds updating our rigs just for playing the damn game.
at the same time I presume you CCP won't give back our isk - ehr I mean the dollarz
so we need a solution. Give us the possibility to get uberlow graphics so we can keep playing decently.
Notice that: "upgrade your computer" "my cousin got a 4 year-old computer that works fine" "get a job" "if you can spend 15/month you can afford 400 for a rig"
are not acceptable answers.
you don't have to spend thousands updating your rig a ú35 graphic card will let you play eve fine if you can't afford it the prioritise and quit eve and do something you can afford instead. It's your problem not ccp's
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:16:00 -
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Or even better, cancel your eve account for two months, pay for graphics card with saved money, come back to a fully bug fixed eve.
Sounds like a win win situation to me. _
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FOl2TY8
The Athiest Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 10/03/2009 23:19:22 If you expect a game that has been out for 6 years now to cater to your crappy machine you have another thing coming. As games get upgraded so too must your machine.
BTW you can get a machine that will run Eve for $300 so quit complaining. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
David Grogan
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:19:00 -
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this doesnt help laptop users though
while my pc can run eve my laptop can no longer run it... a decent laptop with a good graphics card and plenty of ram for resource hungry vista will cost over Ç1000 SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:20:00 -
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Upgrade your computer with a cheap SM2 graphics card wont work for my laptop, which EVE says is no longer capable .. it just about did it before, but alas no more.
Just means that I cant play when staying in hotels etc, pity really
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Iamien
Caldari Stargate SG-1 Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Iamien on 10/03/2009 23:26:35 Edited by: Iamien on 10/03/2009 23:24:13 Some people are using rigs that are 7-8 years old their motherboards wont allow them to upgrade. Im not in this boat but i feel sorry for those that are.
I will restate what I said in a few other threads of this type.
In order for our games to evolve so does our hardware has to as well.
Read the EULA and/or TOS nowhere do they take responsibility for making sure your pc meets the changing system requirements. ANY pc gamer knows that as system requirement improve, they have to upgrade their computers. Its the equivalent of console gamers buying a new system every 3-4 years, in which the graphics stay the same for those 3-4 years until a new system is released.
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David Grogan
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:25:00 -
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its about time laptop designers made upgradeable graphics card slots so that people could upgrade their graphics within reason SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 10/03/2009 23:26:35 Edited by: Iamien on 10/03/2009 23:24:13 Some people are using rigs that are 7-8 years old their motherboards wont allow them to upgrade. Im not in this boat but i feel sorry for those that are.
I will restate what I said in a few other threads of this type.
In order for our games to evolve so does our hardware has to as well.
Read the EULA and/or TOS nowhere do they take responsibility for making sure your pc meets the changing system requirements. ANY pc gamer knows that as system requirement improve, they have to upgrade their computers. Its the equivalent of console gamers buying a new system every 3-4 years, in which the graphics stay the same for those 3-4 years until a new system is released.
There is always an option.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Rpeg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Ms Delerium Edited by: Ms Delerium on 10/03/2009 23:11:49
Notice that: "upgrade your computer" "my cousin got a 4 year-old computer that works fine" "get a job" "if you can spend 15/month you can afford 400 for a rig"
are not acceptable answers.
yes, yes they are.
Agreed. I couldn't play games with so much as even water effects for years. Wasn't until I finished school and got a job I could get a PC good for gaming.
Patience. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
TimGascoigne
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:41:00 -
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if you're using shader one thing then you have not upgraded your computer since 2002 and thus should be banned from the Internet. The 1st computer I ever purchased was in 2003 it cost me ú350 and could run eve today on the Lite version. Of course a year ago I upgraded and run the regular premium graphics
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: David Grogan its about time laptop designers made upgradeable graphics card slots so that people could upgrade their graphics within reason
They do - most laptops with discrete graphics are modular.
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Angus MacAuley
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Taius Pax
Originally by: David Grogan its about time laptop designers made upgradeable graphics card slots so that people could upgrade their graphics within reason
They do - most laptops with discrete graphics are modular.
Actually, exactly the opposite is true. Graphic systems are not user-upgradable on nearly all laptops.
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Angus MacAuley
Originally by: Taius Pax
Originally by: David Grogan its about time laptop designers made upgradeable graphics card slots so that people could upgrade their graphics within reason
They do - most laptops with discrete graphics are modular.
Actually, exactly the opposite is true. Graphic systems are not user-upgradable on nearly all laptops.
This.
My desktops run multiple clients fine, but my laptop has problems with >1 client. It had no problems with classic. Guide to forum posting |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/03/2009 00:02:00 to run the new client your WHOLE computer needs to cost a total of 50$.
UPGRADE.
by this I mean.
buy 1 GB of ram buy a 5 year old motherboard. get a P4 2.5 (the right models support sm2)
done.
RO spend 300$ and get a rig that plays everything at good settings at 40 fps.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: David Grogan its about time laptop designers made upgradeable graphics card slots so that people could upgrade their graphics within reason
it's called MXM, and a few laptops have this motherboards.
It the main reason I bought my HDX.
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isometricantaliac
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:02:00 -
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I think that CCP have taken a big gamble with the dropping of the Classic client & although it is always easy to say upgrade your old crap computer the fact remains that there are people that play EVE that don't have money to go throwing new cards in their computers, OR to buy a new system.
Where do the people that can no longer play that have a lot of game time left on their accounts stand because they can't even make sure they have skills training & surely they aren't going to be left with a "well thats just bad luck" as a reply from other players.
How many people are going to stop playing EVE because of this & will there be enough to cause CCP to maybe re-think the direction it has gone in with the client support? (I guess only time will tell for sure).
Look a lot of people that could easily run the premium graphics client were still using the classic version also as it gave them just a little bit more performance when taking part in fleet battles so it may also affect whether those people continue to take part in battles that are larger in size & that can't be a good thing for 0.0 warfare etc....
Me I can run the new client, but the new shiney graphics really don't make me want to play the game any more. It's the game it's self & the things players are able to do that keep me playing the game & I find it really sad that now a lot of really great people are not going to be able to continue playing EVE....
If you wander around in 0.0 or Lowsec with no idea you WILL end up dead! and whinging about it on the forums will get u nowhere! |
Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Angus MacAuley
Originally by: Taius Pax
Originally by: David Grogan its about time laptop designers made upgradeable graphics card slots so that people could upgrade their graphics within reason
They do - most laptops with discrete graphics are modular.
Actually, exactly the opposite is true. Graphic systems are not user-upgradable on nearly all laptops.
Note the bit I bolded... he said "discrete".
Ok, so most laptops in general come with crap-ass Intel graphics (although anything made in the last 2 years should have an X3100 graphics subsystem which IS capable of running premium lite quite well).
As for those Whining whinging losers who say they'd have to spend "over a thousand pounds/dollars/euros" (delete according to locale) - I say this; You can get a laptop that will easily run Eve for a lot less than you think. ===================================== It smells of spoon! ===================================== |
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Angus MacAuley
Originally by: Taius Pax
Originally by: David Grogan its about time laptop designers made upgradeable graphics card slots so that people could upgrade their graphics within reason
They do - most laptops with discrete graphics are modular.
Actually, exactly the opposite is true. Graphic systems are not user-upgradable on nearly all laptops.
Both what you and I said are true. Please read what I wrote again. I never said it was easy or the majority of laptops, only those that came with a discrete card in the first place.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/148909-6/upgrading_your_laptops_graphics_card.html
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:11:00 -
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Lets keep running an obsolete version of Eve just to cater to the extremely poor or cheap ppl......man poor/cheap ppl suck.
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ingenting
Cohors Alaria
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium stuff
I think you are delerious. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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Notnearly OnEnough
Minmatar JumpDrive Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:13:00 -
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Well, they dropped classic for one big reason, on their side. Do you have any idea how many server instructions they had to do in order to check each and every request to see which client you were running and decide which database item to send back? then they had 3 clients. classic, lite and rpemium so ask that question x3...
now they have the new version of premium and the server doesn't have to get involved any more, it just sends the database item to your PC and it's up to your computer/graphics/client to decide if it is shadermodel 2 or 3+
frees up a lot of busy time in the server which is worth far more than loosing the 3 to 5 % of the subscribers who were still using classic.. thats only like 7500 people ( or about $150,000/month VS making $4,500,000 worth of others very very happy) I think they made a good call.
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:15:00 -
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I upgraded my pc a little in preparation for the expansion,
went from 1 gig of cheap ddr 800 ram to using 2 gigs of low cas hyperx gaming memory which my old ram was 10 cas (ewww) this new stuff is 4 and it totally owns.
cost of upgrade 35 bucks, and no need to wait for any jumps, login/char screen all load almost instantly.
:)
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Kill Mail
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:20:00 -
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If you check on eBay, you can get a second hand premium lite capable system for extremely cheap!
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Elysarian on 11/03/2009 00:24:07
Originally by: Notnearly OnEnough Well, they dropped classic for one big reason, on their side. Do you have any idea how many server instructions they had to do in order to check each and every request to see which client you were running and decide which database item to send back? then they had 3 clients. classic, lite and rpemium so ask that question x3...
now they have the new version of premium and the server doesn't have to get involved any more, it just sends the database item to your PC and it's up to your computer/graphics/client to decide if it is shadermodel 2 or 3+
frees up a lot of busy time in the server which is worth far more than loosing the 3 to 5 % of the subscribers who were still using classic.. thats only like 7500 people ( or about $150,000/month VS making $4,500,000 worth of others very very happy) I think they made a good call.
Where the hell do you get the info in your first paragraph from? - Up your own arse?
All the server code does is send out information like: "render ship S in location X,Y,Z" - at no time does it need to know what client you are running, the client side code does all the rendering decision-making (why do you think the download is so big? - here's a clue: the models and textures are in the client already).
Part of the point in having a Client-Server architecture is so that much of the work can be done client side to reduce network traffic (as opposed to a "thin client" where everything apart from display is done on the server).
Simple reason for dropping classic is that CCP will no longer have to design two sets of models, meshes etc, they won't have to support and debug 4 seperate codebases (2 for Windows, one each for Mac and Linux being reduced to one Mac, one Windows) resulting in a massive reduction in man-hours required to produce new content and debug existing code.
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Inflnltyshock
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:23:00 -
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my least-capable laptop is capable of supporting photoshop and video editing yet it is not able to run a simple internet video game. this is a video game. im not going out and spending two cents on a means of recreation that i already spent enough on for subscription fees.
regardless of that fact, there is a global recession going on that is on the verge of a global depression and you clowns think going out and spending cash on new recreational activities is a good plan. no.
yet another **** poor decision by the geniuses that are cccp.
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Atomos Darksun
Damage Incorporated.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:29:00 -
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It's a game. If you can't play anymore, you can't play anymore. Simple. Get over it. They're not changing.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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toxicha
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:35:00 -
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I've installed the Premium Lite on my 6 month old Toshiba Laptop (onboard **** intel graphics), performance was initialy poor, but if you optimise the graphics settings to low and medium for shader and texture respectively you get back to classic performance with slightly improved graphics.
Looks ok to me.
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