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FOl2TY8 Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:40:00 - [61] Thank you CCP for weeding out the most annoying people on the planet from our beloved game. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:41:00 - [62] CCP was essentially supporting 2 completely different graphics engines. They told us way back when they released premium content with Trinity, that they were going to eventually drop support for the classic client. This has been coming for a loooooonnnnnggg time now. Think about it this way - would it be better business sense to drop the classic client, or the premium client? Maintaining two clients costs CCP twice as much money, so unless the classic client playerbase is generating more revenue than it costs to maintain, CCP is definitely going to drop the classic client.
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:47:00 - [63] There was a MONTH OF WARNING that SM1 was going to be discontinued. Learn to read. Kthxbai. ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong."
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:53:00 - [64] Thank you CCP for kicking out classic so you can redistribute those resources on making more epic mission arcs, skill plans, attribute revamps, wormholes and similar things in the future. Oh, did I mention the much faster/better graphics that came out today? Even lower gfx settings improved immensely. I guess we can look forward to expansions with even more yummie goodies in the future now that you got more resources to put to use for something else but.. just sitting there updating graphics for a second client. Ps. I just "lost" my laptop since EVE no longer supports it. I think that was a good tradeoff for all I gained on my stationary PCs tho. Much love, Misanth. -
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:55:00 - [65] I can run Apocrypha on my MacBook (GMA 950) well enough to swap skills and chat with corp. I can run two clients on my Windows Vista laptop with its crappy nVidia built-in graphics - I have to turn the detail all the way down (low shader, low texture) since it doesn't have enough VRAM for two clients. Will see how EVE runs on the iMac tonight - it used to run the classic client just fine.
Dan Braddik	Posted - 2009.03.11 02:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Skalet Originally by: Ripcan I really don't understand the responses in this thread. A lot of you seem to take personal offense that someone dares ask ccp to rerelease the classic client. Grow up. If you can run the premium client then good for you. This thread doesn't concern you. Go about your business and play the game. I also would apreciate cpp releasing a new classic client. I will probably be quitting because of how the new client runs on my machine. its quite easy really, after all, it takes less than 1000.00 to get a decent computer to play eve, and in all actuality, less than 600.00 so therefore, if you play eve, and pay the monthly fee, there is no reason except your sheer lazyness to get the cash for a decent system. If that is your reasoning then you should take a math class.
Caan Buhaao Gallente 72nd Squadron	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:11:00 - [67] Originally by: Inflnltyshock my least-capable laptop is capable of supporting photoshop and video editing yet it is not able to run a simple internet video game. this is a video game. im not going out and spending two cents on a means of recreation that i already spent enough on for subscription fees. regardless of that fact, there is a global recession going on that is on the verge of a global depression and you clowns think going out and spending cash on new recreational activities is a good plan. no. yet another **** poor decision by the geniuses that are cccp. This. Thread over. I'm yet another laptop player whose laptop won't run the new "classic null" eve client. So now while I'm doing work stuff on my desktop machine, no more background high sec mining, etc. I'm sure I'm not alone, and I'm sure a bunch of people are going to be canceling second accounts over it--how do the two "premium lite" clients do on one machine? I bet poorly. -- sig temporarily busted. kinda like the game.
Ensa Rai	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:18:00 - [68] Originally by: Caan Buhaao This. Thread over. I'm yet another laptop player whose laptop won't run the new "classic null" eve client. So now while I'm doing work stuff on my desktop machine, no more background high sec mining, etc. I'm sure I'm not alone, and I'm sure a bunch of people are going to be canceling second accounts over it--how do the two "premium lite" clients do on one machine? I bet poorly. Dual premium lite runs perfectly on my laptop that I knew it would and doesn't on my crappy Vaio. Thinkpad T61p, it's almost 2 years old and it owns your face.
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:20:00 - [69] Originally by: Caan Buhaao Originally by: Inflnltyshock my least-capable laptop is capable of supporting photoshop and video editing yet it is not able to run a simple internet video game. this is a video game. im not going out and spending two cents on a means of recreation that i already spent enough on for subscription fees. regardless of that fact, there is a global recession going on that is on the verge of a global depression and you clowns think going out and spending cash on new recreational activities is a good plan. no. yet another **** poor decision by the geniuses that are cccp. This. Thread over. I'm yet another laptop player whose laptop won't run the new "classic null" eve client. So now while I'm doing work stuff on my desktop machine, no more background high sec mining, etc. I'm sure I'm not alone, and I'm sure a bunch of people are going to be canceling second accounts over it--how do the two "premium lite" clients do on one machine? I bet poorly. Classic client uses software rendering, so it should actually be WORSE than the premium lite clients, which can take advantage of the graphics card to render the scene. Of course, this presumes that you have a semi-decent graphics card - IE not a low end card, and not on-board.
Lenhaj	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:21:00 - [70] Has anyone tried 3D Analyzer? It sits between the game and the directx driver and you call tell it send fake capabilities to the game and simply drop draw orders that the card won't understand. This usually results in visual artifacts of some kind, but it can make a game playable on otherwise unusable hardware. PS. It's been several years since the last time I needed to use it. (about the time pixel shader 2 first came out.) So I'm not sure how well the latest version works with modern games. Good luck. PPS. If you not on a laptop, quit whining and spend the $40 bucks already.
Lagerstars Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:22:00 - [71] I think its sad that people think that a suitable answer to someones problem is to just abuse them because they dont have the same problem yet on another thread will have the tables turn and then get all bitter back. Also ironic that despite knowing the above, they also seem to make the assumption that everyone has a spare ú500 or whatever currency you like to be able to pay for something new. As per most people with a problem with this new graphics engine, im currently playing on a laptop, im on secondment to China and have been happily playing the classic client until this latest patch. Now i probably could put together enough cash to buy something, however, buying something that when i go home i have to pay the lovely government duty on importing it back to the UK isnt really something i fancy doing. Not to mention the fact that it would need shipping back half way around the world too. I already know that my 2 accounts will no longer be getting renewed when they run out in the next week or so and will remain dead until im back in the UK and i can see if in 6 months time im even interested in re-activating. To all those that say it costs twice as much to run both client types, this is only partly true, i wonder what the cost of running the graphical design team is. PS. What has someone being lazy got to do with having enough cash to buy a new PC? -----------------------------------------
maranne marachian	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:27:00 - [72] Originally by: Caan Buhaao This. Thread over. I'm yet another laptop player whose laptop won't run the new "classic null" eve client. So now while I'm doing work stuff on my desktop machine, no more background high sec mining, etc. I'm sure I'm not alone, and I'm sure a bunch of people are going to be canceling second accounts over it--how do the two "premium lite" clients do on one machine? I bet poorly. It's over cause some idiot thinks that video and photo editing are as stressfull on a graphics card as calculating thousands/millions of triangles every second? What happend did he manage to kill the forum server?
Ensa Rai	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:29:00 - [73] Originally by: Lagerstars I think its sad that people think that a suitable answer to someones problem is to just abuse them because they dont have the same problem yet on another thread will have the tables turn and then get all bitter back. Also ironic that despite knowing the above, they also seem to make the assumption that everyone has a spare ú500 or whatever currency you like to be able to pay for something new. As per most people with a problem with this new graphics engine, im currently playing on a laptop, im on secondment to China and have been happily playing the classic client until this latest patch. Now i probably could put together enough cash to buy something, however, buying something that when i go home i have to pay the lovely government duty on importing it back to the UK isnt really something i fancy doing. Not to mention the fact that it would need shipping back half way around the world too. I already know that my 2 accounts will no longer be getting renewed when they run out in the next week or so and will remain dead until im back in the UK and i can see if in 6 months time im even interested in re-activating. To all those that say it costs twice as much to run both client types, this is only partly true, i wonder what the cost of running the graphical design team is. PS. What has someone being lazy got to do with having enough cash to buy a new PC? Holy crap CCP... HOW COULD YOU LEAVE OUT THE PEOPLE TRAVELLING TO CHINA THAT DON'T WANT TO PAY TO SHIP A NEW LAPTOP BACK TO THERE HOME COUNTRY WHILE THEY ARE IN CHINA FOR SEVERAL MONTHS?!?!?!? HOW WAS MY SITUATION NOT PLANNED FOR!!?!?!??!111GAAAGAAAAA Seriously dude, you are reaching if you expect CCP to accommodate everyone perfectly. I bet you get all huffy if you don't have your favorite pillow with you...
Ivan Kinsikor Amarr Void Engineers Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Angus MacAuley Originally by: Taius Pax Originally by: David Grogan its about time laptop designers made upgradeable graphics card slots so that people could upgrade their graphics within reason They do - most laptops with discrete graphics are modular. Actually, exactly the opposite is true. Graphic systems are not user-upgradable on nearly all laptops. humps his sager's user upgradeable graphics cards furiously ---------------------------------------- *****es don't know 'bout my nano'd Titan ----------------------------------------
Caan Buhaao Gallente 72nd Squadron	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:37:00 - [75] You can really tell who has mommy and daddy buy them things in this thread, can't you? -- sig temporarily busted. kinda like the game.
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:44:00 - [76] look guys, CCP doesn't have enough resources for 2 clients. They would have had to do new models and effects for T3 and WH space, and it would have pushed the expansion release date back. It sucks, but it was necessary. If they waited 6 more months, they'd have boxed players complaining an order of magnitude more than what we see here now.
James Malice Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:47:00 - [77] I vote: Don't bring back classic The time it takes to make two patches, one for classic and one for premium is better spent fixing bugs in premium. This newest expansion is proof of that. Now that all we have to deal with is premium, the following patches should be much better. :) Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:49:00 - [78] Originally by: Caan Buhaao You can really tell who has mommy and daddy buy them things in this thread, can't you? You can really tell who has entitlement issues in this thread can't you? Ultimately Eve is a game, a luxury item, one that costs a monthly subscription. If you're having trouble affording either an upgrade to your existing computer or a very basic one that can run Eve, you may want to look at your priorities again, as you probably have better things to spend your money on other than an internet spaceship game.
Derus Grobb Selectus Pravus Lupus	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:50:00 - [79] "Upgrade your computer" is perfectly reasonable. Eve still runs on all sorts of crap. You've got to draw the line somewhere, otherwise the premium end will suffer and with it the game as a whole. ---
Lagerstars Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:58:00 - [80] Edited by: Lagerstars on 11/03/2009 04:00:53 LOL yet more pathetic replies to my response. Unfortunately im unable to draw you a picture so i'll try keep the words i use to 1 syllabal if I can. The point being made was that not everyone can just go and buy something on the street. Just because your all tucked up at home with mummy and daddy without a care in the world, not everyone else is. My personal situation is that im now in China, others might be job loss because of the recession or whatever. Oh and anyone that says CCP doesnt have the resources to maintain 2 graphics models, try working out what the revenue generated from 100k+ subscribers is, as a rough approximation i'd say they have a lot more coming in than going out and somewhere amongst priorities there needs to be a balance between profit and consumer satisfaction. I think its poorly timed to raise the bar on minimum hardware spec given that people now have less money to spare than the last couple of decades. -----------------------------------------
James Malice Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:02:00 - [81] My vote stands. The time needed to maintain two clients is waisted. CCP gave you sufficient time and warning to save enough money to upgrade. you lacked the foresight, now you cant play the game. Your fault, your time lost, your problem. Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Berceuse	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:04:00 - [82] I don't want my money back. How much notice was given is irrelevent and silly arguement related to only this month. I certainly don't remember a notice on that in all the junk mail they send to email? Why would you have to dig for it in forums? News Flash! You don't buy a new laptop for a friggen game! Lets grow up kids! First they quite support anything older than XP (out went my old desktops) Now they quit handling half the laptops on the planet (and mine). Keep on narrowing that consumer requirements window there CPP...lol..especially in the middle of peoples pocket books getting squeezed..lol It is really comical. Look for a stock to plunge even further and more bankruptcies? Well that is why programmers are not business people. Besides all the "challenged" people replying here to defend it. Did they actually figure out how many people they would lose by making this stupid move? and yes. it's stupid. Next game up! Hmm..well WOW still works..
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:07:00 - [83] Originally by: Lagerstars Edited by: Lagerstars on 11/03/2009 04:00:53 LOL yet more pathetic replies to my response. The point being made was that not everyone can just go and buy something on the street. Just because your all tucked up at home with mummy and daddy without a care in the world, not everyone else is. My personal situation is that im now in China, others might be job loss because of the recession or whatever. And like I said, Eve is not, and should not be an "essential" item. If your financial situation prevents you from affording the means to play the game, you probably shouldn't. You're in China, I'm in Africa, I think I have you beat there Originally by: Lagerstars Oh and anyone that says CCP doesnt have the resources to maintain 2 graphics models, try working out what the revenue generated from 100k+ subscribers is, as a rough approximation i'd say they have a lot more coming in than going out and somewhere amongst priorities there needs to be a balance between profit and consumer satisfaction. I think its poorly timed to raise the bar on minimum hardware spec given that people now have less money to spare than the last couple of decades. you can't work out what their profit is without knowing how much is their overhead and other development costs, which you don't. CCP have decided that their resources will be better put towards a single client, something that ultimately only they are qualified to decide.
James Malice Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Berceuse I don't want my money back. How much notice was given is irrelevent and silly arguement related to only this month. I certainly don't remember a notice on that in all the junk mail they send to email? Why would you have to dig for it in forums? News Flash! You don't buy a new laptop for a friggen game! Lets grow up kids! First they quite support anything older than XP (out went my old desktops) Now they quit handling half the laptops on the planet (and mine). Keep on narrowing that consumer requirements window there CPP...lol..especially in the middle of peoples pocket books getting squeezed..lol It is really comical. Look for a stock to plunge even further and more bankruptcies? Well that is why programmers are not business people. Besides all the "challenged" people replying here to defend it. Did they actually figure out how many people they would lose by making this stupid move? and yes. it's stupid. Next game up! Hmm..well WOW still works.. if you paid attention to dev blogs, they stated over 3 months ago that they would be getting rid of classic, and layed down exactly what hardwear you would need to play the game. for $80 you can buy the hardwear needed to upgrade 90% of computers that arn't already compatable. so 3 months, that's less than $30 a month to upgrade. Again, you didn't take the time to know what was happening to the game, your fault, not ours. :) Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
Zyck Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:13:00 - [85] Hi, I'm a laptop user with a ****ty graphics card with only SM2 that can barely play most games and lags out in eve if I stare at a deathstar POS from all the modules and flashy lights. (seriously) Based on some time on the test server the new graphics work just as well if not slightly better than the old ones, and look prettier. Figured I'd share. -Zyck
Iamien Caldari Stargate SG-1 Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:17:00 - [86] If you think about it, only about 50-75 different people have posted all day complaining about it. Those who are having problem playing ARE going to complain. Those not having problems, like myself and the 24000 online now, are far less likely to be on the forums voicing their opinion. Seeing that eve online has 260,000 subscribers and only 100 different people have came to the forum to complain, what does that say to CCP?
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:17:00 - [87] Originally by: Berceuse I don't want my money back. How much notice was given is irrelevent and silly arguement related to only this month. I certainly don't remember a notice on that in all the junk mail they send to email? Why would you have to dig for it in forums? News Flash! You don't buy a new laptop for a friggen game! Lets grow up kids! First they quite support anything older than XP (out went my old desktops) Now they quit handling half the laptops on the planet (and mine). Keep on narrowing that consumer requirements window there CPP...lol..especially in the middle of peoples pocket books getting squeezed..lol It is really comical. Look for a stock to plunge even further and more bankruptcies? Well that is why programmers are not business people. Besides all the "challenged" people replying here to defend it. Did they actually figure out how many people they would lose by making this stupid move? and yes. it's stupid. Next game up! Hmm..well WOW still works.. Interestingly enough, WoW also dropped support for Windows 98 and older operating systems at just about the same time as EVE.
Berceuse	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:17:00 - [88] Originally by: James Malice Originally by: Berceuse I don't want my money back. How much notice was given is irrelevent and silly arguement related to only this month. I certainly don't remember a notice on that in all the junk mail they send to email? Why would you have to dig for it in forums? News Flash! You don't buy a new laptop for a friggen game! Lets grow up kids! First they quite support anything older than XP (out went my old desktops) Now they quit handling half the laptops on the planet (and mine). Keep on narrowing that consumer requirements window there CPP...lol..especially in the middle of peoples pocket books getting squeezed..lol It is really comical. Look for a stock to plunge even further and more bankruptcies? Well that is why programmers are not business people. Besides all the "challenged" people replying here to defend it. Did they actually figure out how many people they would lose by making this stupid move? and yes. it's stupid. Next game up! Hmm..well WOW still works.. if you paid attention to dev blogs, they stated over 3 months ago that they would be getting rid of classic, and layed down exactly what hardwear you would need to play the game. for $80 you can buy the hardwear needed to upgrade 90% of computers that arn't already compatable. so 3 months, that's less than $30 a month to upgrade. Again, you didn't take the time to know what was happening to the game, your fault, not ours. :) News Flash! Nobody friggen reads your dev blogs..get over it..lol It doesn't even matter if a friggen year notice was given..lol Find another useless arguement please! Another one here that flunked math,reading,comprehension and common sense. Laptop=no video card to upgrade= need new laptop. Sorry about those F's, but as you say..your fault not mine. 3 months to get $600 bucks (not including tax) for a new laptop to play A GAME. REALITY CHECK PLEASE!
Acerbomb	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:18:00 - [89] Well here s you solution. Buy a new house and deticate a room to noting but your server. Then, get 32 monitors, totaling 200' x 165'. It makes a kinda big rectangular shape. Next, you buy the server, drop 2 million on it and the a/c unit to cool it. Finally, you sit back and relax, and say, "oh my, cant complain now can i?" Thats my setup for ya. It can run 110 eve clients with ease at 79 fps. I can also run any voice servers along with it, and if i want, i can change a screen over to TV, and watch a great TV show while playing EVE.
Jonny Lumi Gallente Karjala Inc. The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.11 04:22:00 - [90] I don't really get where people get these $$ numbers for upgrading... Let's see, my other comp runs premium (lite) just good enough, i even keep it in medium settings. First found eBay prices with google for similar rig: ATI Radeon 9600SE : $9.99 AMD Athlon XP 2200+ : ú4.99 socket A motherboard: $36.69 Antec case/350w power: $24.99 etc. etc.... And don't even talk about laptops... Everyone should already know that "NOT upgradeable = NOT GAMING RIG".

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