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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:39:00 -
[181]
 Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 11/03/2009 12:32:57
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ther is realy no other option than getting a new and better comp/laptop.
gamers all around the world r demaning better and better graphix on the games they have/will get, so for a company to go the other way is just stupid.
Just a shame the larger portion of the gaming world are idiots, whom we can thank for the crappy games which make up at about 80% of the market.
It's not always shiny graphics and explosions.
If as much effort went into developing the playability, replay value, innovation and plot aspects of games, sure we'd have graphics not quite as good as todays world, but they'd be a helluva lot more fun.
yeah so great games should keep ****ty graphics just cause they can... ccp has the resources to upgrade our experience and have done so.. props to em!
makes my money feel much better spent, the game could just be Wowified and they keep throwing in a new carrot for us to chase ever 2 months.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:44:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Enkimdu
Maybe you fanboys should stop buying from Apple, since they obviously fail miserably.
…or maybe they should start buying from Apple, since all current Macs run the EVE client. 
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:45:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Enkimdu
Maybe you fanboys should stop buying from Apple, since they obviously fail miserably.
àor maybe they should start buying from Apple, since all current Macs run the EVE client.
sorry im not paying the apple tax :P
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cillisia
Caldari
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:47:00 -
[184]
well the premium lite version works on my late 2007 macbook (core2duo 2ghz, 2gb ram, GMA950 so I'm happy, get a better system imo
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Grez
Minmatar
Core Contingency
Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:52:00 -
[185]
Drop the Premium moniker. It's just a client now, with scalable options.
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Orosinii
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:04:00 -
[186]
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God where to start, first I am amazed at the number of people that play EVE on laptops. I mean I do about 4 times a year when on the road but not the majority of the time. Even then I had enough sense that when I got my laptop to buy one with a gaming capable graphics option. However I will say that laptops, even gaming capbale ones are a **** choice for gaming. This is not the fault of the game makers, this is the fault of some silly mentality that took a machine designed purely for business and portable connectivity and tried to make it like a home PC.
.... am so glad you decided to share your opinion with the community. For a lot of players laptops are the only option due to space, location, naggy wife  and the rather grown up aspect of not living at your parents house and being able to sit in your room 24/7. i fit into the naggy wife  category ... understandably she would rather I was in the same room as her when not at work, however understands that watching the crap that she calls TV is not quite my thing.
Happy to report that my archaic Compac HP6000 allows Premium Lite to run and stops crashing if both settings are set to low. In fact it currently performs much better on Premium Lite than it did on Classic.
Return to classic - no ta! If it doesny work on your machine ... as the ppl say upgrade the Graphics card if using a desktop :) (cheap as chips) or if on a laptop get a cheap one that supports shader 2 and sell the current one on ebay ... you'll find that it don't cost that much.
So far patch is good ....
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Marcus Grisbius
Gallente
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:10:00 -
[187]
Time to bust out the Commodore 64 to see if it'll still run Eve... wait you said this is 2009?... not 1989? Ok, I guess I'll upgrade to an x86 processor... dangit, that was 1999.
For accurate comparisons, Eve: Apocrypha is a new game. Other MMOs would release a new expansion pack that would require an upgraded graphics requirement to run. Most games also have a life cycle well under the nearly 6 years of Eve. You've been able to play the game for 6 years on your machine. Now they are increasing the level. The truth is if you are struggling to play Eve on your machine, you're not likely to be able to play ANY game made in the last 2 years on your machine. Technology has left your machine in the dust and you must adapt. If you recently bought a computer that was really cheap, rest assured that it's because it will be obsolete in the near future for many programs, but especially games.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:20:00 -
[188]
It's awesome that they develop new shiny graphics for high-end rig users but they just could have kept the old ones for low-ends????
Is it THAT hard to understand?
When I signed, wasnt told about this. Now my choices are:
- A) Spend $300 or more on a new rig (and you mustnt suppose we all CAN spend that amount)
- B) Limit myself to play station games (once Jita is fixed, dont want my ships and items to be lost). And skill trainings.
- C) Leave EVE. (but wait, crap!! I got a year subscription and 8 months left... am I getting back these 8-months money? obviously NOT)
Whatever choice, I lose some money. And Im not the only one as you see the forums is "spammed" with people getting same issues. And we are not in 1980s computers. My own one is from 2004.
I know it's not a gaming rig and I won't be able to play Crysis or whatever, but damnit the previous classic client looked fine and I got 50fps+ even in massive battles, WTF now they're done so I set everything to low, it looks way worse than old classic, and still got ridiculous fps rates??????
Fix it CCP. Add some options to remove more effects/textures/whatever. Is it SO difficult? IMHO the premium "lite" should be playable on every computer who could play classic. It's called logic.
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Blindscythe
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:25:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Ms Delerium
It's awesome that they develop new shiny graphics for high-end rig users but they just could have kept the old ones for low-ends????
Is it THAT hard to understand?
When I signed, wasnt told about this. Now my choices are:
- A) Spend $300 or more on a new rig (and you mustnt suppose we all CAN spend that amount)
- B) Limit myself to play station games (once Jita is fixed, dont want my ships and items to be lost). And skill trainings.
- C) Leave EVE. (but wait, crap!! I got a year subscription and 8 months left... am I getting back these 8-months money? obviously NOT)
Whatever choice, I lose some money. And Im not the only one as you see the forums is "spammed" with people getting same issues. And we are not in 1980s computers. My own one is from 2004.
I know it's not a gaming rig and I won't be able to play Crysis or whatever, but damnit the previous classic client looked fine and I got 50fps+ even in massive battles, WTF now they're done so I set everything to low, it looks way worse than old classic, and still got ridiculous fps rates??????
Fix it CCP. Add some options to remove more effects/textures/whatever. Is it SO difficult? IMHO the premium "lite" should be playable on every computer who could play classic. It's called logic.
CCP will have to expend resources keeping two clients up to date with each patch/update. That's pretty much a crazy use of time and money on a system that is both antiquated and less efficient than a client based on the gpu not the cpu. 95% of the users (which presumably is now 100%) will suffer from lack of resources that should be used elsewhere!
As for spamming the forums with problems etc. This is Apocrypha launch +1 day. And it's really not spammed at all. Most issues are resolved!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:31:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Ms Delerium
It's awesome that they develop new shiny graphics for high-end rig users but they just could have kept the old ones for low-ends????
And kept their art department running at half speed just to keep a few stragglers happy, rather than go to one production pipeline and move at full speed? Not a worth-while use of their resources. It's not particularly hard to understand.
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Is it SO difficult?
Depends how much work the shaders are doing. Are you willing to fly around in phongshaded grey blobs? If so, then maybe.
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IMHO the premium "lite" should be playable on every computer who could play classic. It's called logic.
How is that logical? It's called premium lite, not classic, so why would a classic-only-capable computer be able to run it?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:43:00 -
[191]
If you hate upgrading just buy a console, especially an older one like a NES, games are cheap there.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:58:00 -
[192]
for example, whats with new warping system???
it looks like always, but it takes a LOT of resources. Even some players with much better rigs than mine, got a huge drop of fps. WTF?
Many people says game is better optimized now. k I will trust you. But warp thingie is horrible optimized isnt it?
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Abon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:59:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Ms Delerium
It's awesome that they develop new shiny graphics for high-end rig users but they just could have kept the old ones for low-ends????
Is it THAT hard to understand?
When I signed, wasnt told about this. Now my choices are:
- A) Spend $300 or more on a new rig (and you mustnt suppose we all CAN spend that amount)
- B) Limit myself to play station games (once Jita is fixed, dont want my ships and items to be lost). And skill trainings.
- C) Leave EVE. (but wait, crap!! I got a year subscription and 8 months left... am I getting back these 8-months money? obviously NOT)
Whatever choice, I lose some money. And Im not the only one as you see the forums is "spammed" with people getting same issues. And we are not in 1980s computers. My own one is from 2004.
I know it's not a gaming rig and I won't be able to play Crysis or whatever, but damnit the previous classic client looked fine and I got 50fps+ even in massive battles, WTF now they're done so I set everything to low, it looks way worse than old classic, and still got ridiculous fps rates??????
Fix it CCP. Add some options to remove more effects/textures/whatever. Is it SO difficult? IMHO the premium "lite" should be playable on every computer who could play classic. It's called logic.
(optional) -D) Get some extra RAM (prizes are at an absolute low for "older" RAMs)
-E) Get a Shader 2.0 compatible GPU. (30 bucks?)
-F) Ask some of your pals to plug it in for you if you are not sure how to.
-G)Profit?
If you have a hobby (like Eve) and don`t invest something into it from time to time don`t expect to get much out of it. Simple as that, you always "loose" money. Same goes for Sports, Cars, Holidays, Girlfriends...you get the point.
CCP will certainly NOT hire 30+ coders to satisfy the few % of players who are still on outdated hardware.(YES it is outdated, everybody knows that current hardware developement is on a 6-12 months cycle and the crap gets old FAST.)
CCP is already very generous in offering clients for multiple platforms there is nothing to "fix" so suck it up, go work some extra hours and you have your problem solved in no time. Crying around on the forums will certainly NOT help you nor will it bring the classic client back. And to be honest compared to other games the required hardware upgrade is very, very small..
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Abon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.11 14:09:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Ms Delerium
for example, whats with new warping system???
it looks like always, but it takes a LOT of resources. Even some players with much better rigs than mine, got a huge drop of fps. WTF?
Many people says game is better optimized now. k I will trust you. But warp thingie is horrible optimized isnt it?
I am quite sure there are some FPS drops/issues with certain effects at the moment as everything is new and not fully optimized. Try it with the most actual drivers for your GPU, that often helps as a small workaround. I for my part have no FPS drops whatsoever so i guess it its mainly a driver/GPU issue. FPS drops are quite common in new games/expansions on certain hardware. Most of them get wiped out over time so one can only wait and hope in that case.
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Wotlankor
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.11 14:14:00 -
[195]
Well I sure would like the game to follow the general technological advancement and EvE has been lacking for some time.
To have a game run for so long without people have to update their gear is in the extreme already.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.11 14:14:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Ms Delerium
It's awesome that they develop new shiny graphics for high-end rig users but they just could have kept the old ones for low-ends????
Is it THAT hard to understand?
No, but it *IS* that expensive.
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When I signed, wasnt told about this. Now my choices are:
No but you said you have 8 months left from a year's subscription.
Where have you been for the last 4 months when there were dev blogs and forum posts aplenty about this?
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- A) Spend $300 or more on a new rig (and you mustnt suppose we all CAN spend that amount) Quote:
You COULD do that I guess.
Or you could spend $40 on eBay and get a compatable graphics card.
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Whatever choice, I lose some money. And Im not the only one as you see the forums is "spammed" with people getting same issues.
I don't see it being spammed - I just see people that either haven't read all the forum posts and dev blogs from the last few months or are intentionally trolling about $400 upgrades when they have been told *several times* that a $40 graphics card from eBay will suffice.
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And we are not in 1980s computers. My own one is from 2004.
Five years is a LONG time in computer technology.
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It's called logic.
Why don't you offer to sponsor the development then and pay the salaries of the additional developers that they need to retain to develop the different clients?
That seems logical to me, whereas CCP spending that money to prop up a minority of the player base doesn't.
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Captain Plumbo
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.11 14:30:00 -
[197]
Running EVE Lite on a computer with a ****ty graphics card might be possible with 3D Analyze.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1019362
Worth a try for those who can't afford to upgrade.
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Rynlam
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.11 14:31:00 -
[198]
BS, BS, and more BS.
Instead of whining, *****ing, and moaning about having to pay $400 for a whole new system, you people could get your brains out of your asses and look at NewEgg PCI video card prices. An FX5200 (if you're as poor as you claim to be, you have no business complaining about an FX5200 being "low performance") can be had for $30. And these are all PCI cards, so no *****ing about having to upgrade your motherboard to PCI-E.
FX5200 ~$30
HD2400 ~$35
6200 ~$45
8400 ~$50
Cut back on the Arby's greasemonsters you're wasting your money on for a month or so, and you'll save enough to buy one of those cards...
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:03:00 -
[199]
OMG this is just f***ing unbelievable!! Stop whining because of such a cr*p and get a computer FROM THIS CENTURY!!!
Eve isn't really a game what penetrates your graphic card a lot!
I'm happy the game evolved and isn't outdated concerning gfx like it was before the patch at last.
However your computer is!
It would be damn sad if eves capabilities would stuck in the year 2000 because of people like you unwilling to keep up with the technology for ages!
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Les Grossman
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:13:00 -
[200]
I wish ccp would make a new premium client for us who can't get under 100fps no matter what we do. :/
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AK Archangel
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:14:00 -
[201]
Edited by: AK Archangel on 11/03/2009 15:14:41
LOL supply of idiots who think "buying new card solve the problem!" is endless ... JUST imagine, SOME people DONT NEED this perverts graphics content , Personaly i need only overview and some squares marked as +,-,= NO MORE i need to have awessome adrenalin and fun from game... You luck out of imagination? well then you need some support like... top graphics card and content...
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:18:00 -
[202]
It's common to reduce the value of computer in bookkeeping to 0 within 3 years from the purchase date. 3 years.
The 300 eur new as-sucky-as-possible computer usually beats the crap out of 3 years old super gaming computer that used to cost 3000 eur back in time. That's how it goes, live with it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:19:00 -
[203]
Originally by: AK Archangel
Personaly i need only overview and some squares marked as +,-,= NO MORE i need to have awessome adrenalin and fun from game...
Good news for you then: the new client allows you to scale back the graphics far more than previously, and it only requires an low-to-mid-end GPU to run.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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JinGKoCast
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:20:00 -
[204]
MY computer.
Gigabyte . GA-8vm800pmd-775-rh - 3Ghz cpu.
memory . 1gb.
video . VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro ICP ( SVGA 64mb on board share with memory ).
HDD - C: drive 60gb , D: drive 80gb ( IDE's ).
Monitor : ViewSonic G90f+.
Sound : Realtek AC'97 Audio for VIA (R) Audio Controller.
101 KB , mouse.
I live in Perth , WESTERN AUSTRALIA.
Computer parts here cost so much SMEGING money. My computer need another AGP vidcard. are they still on sale HERE... SMEG NO!!!! not 1 computer shop sell them anymore. only SMEGING E-IDE vidcards now. that mean to buy a SMEGING motherboard with memory............ SO how SMEGED up I'M....
EVE-ONLINE has lost a player................. cos I do not have the SMEGING money to UPGRADE.
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AK Archangel
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:22:00 -
[205]
Edited by: AK Archangel on 11/03/2009 15:25:51
Originally by: Tippia
Good news for you then: the new client allows you to scale back the graphics far more than previously, and it only requires an low-to-mid-end GPU to run.
Unfortunatly not for laptop which have only GF4(its just for some alts ... but i like it)
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:40:00 -
[206]
Originally by: JinGKoCast
MY computer.
Gigabyte . GA-8vm800pmd-775-rh - 3Ghz cpu.
memory . 1gb.
video . VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro ICP ( SVGA 64mb on board share with memory ).
HDD - C: drive 60gb , D: drive 80gb ( IDE's ).
Monitor : ViewSonic G90f+.
Sound : Realtek AC'97 Audio for VIA (R) Audio Controller.
101 KB , mouse.
I live in Perth , WESTERN AUSTRALIA.
Computer parts here cost so much SMEGING money. My computer need another AGP vidcard. are they still on sale HERE... SMEG NO!!!! not 1 computer shop sell them anymore. only SMEGING E-IDE vidcards now. that mean to buy a SMEGING motherboard with memory............ SO how SMEGED up I'M....
EVE-ONLINE has lost a player................. cos I do not have the SMEGING money to UPGRADE.
They are all over the internet. Order one.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:49:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: El'Niaga
My card is better than yours.....much better.....
Graphics are just numbers that your computer visualize, and yes they do add to lag.
No, they don't[0].
Lag refers to the latency of the network connection (and associated infrastructure) between your PC and the data centre. This is sometimes expressed as round trip time or "ping"[1].
Now, your PC might struggle to render all the information that it is being asked too and this might manifest as a low frame rate, but your graphics card being ****e does not mean that your latency is increasing[2].
[0] How fast your CPU and/or GPU can do some sums has no relation whatsoever to the latency of your network connection.
[1] I have a degree in computer networks and have played games online since Quake - I know just a little bit about network latency.
[2] Just spend -L-20 on eBay and stop winging, seriously.
Good so you know that in Quake frame rate was directly tied your network performance. It would render a frame then send a packet render a frame then send a packet.
If you had crap video it would directly effect how responseive you were in game.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:51:00 -
[208]
Originally by: JinGKoCast
I live in Perth , WESTERN AUSTRALIA.
Good for you.
Do you have a postal service there...?
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Computer parts here cost so much SMEGING money. My computer need another AGP vidcard. are they still on sale HERE... SMEG NO!!!! not 1 computer shop sell them anymore. only SMEGING E-IDE vidcards now. that mean to buy a SMEGING motherboard with memory............ SO how SMEGED up I'M....
See above, then:
http://www.ebay.com
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Virum Acuedalla
Amarr
Darkstar Industrial
SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:53:00 -
[209]
Originally by: isometricantaliac
I think that CCP have taken a big gamble with the dropping of the Classic client & although it is always easy to say upgrade your old crap computer the fact remains that there are people that play EVE that don't have money to go throwing new cards in their computers, OR to buy a new system.
Where do the people that can no longer play that have a lot of game time left on their accounts stand because they can't even make sure they have skills training & surely they aren't going to be left with a "well thats just bad luck" as a reply from other players.
How many people are going to stop playing EVE because of this & will there be enough to cause CCP to maybe re-think the direction it has gone in with the client support? (I guess only time will tell for sure).
Some initially but I imagine CCP thought through that and figured those that quit because their computer is aweful will be replaced with new players buying the box version from store shelves.
Look a lot of people that could easily run the premium graphics client were still using the classic version also as it gave them just a little bit more performance when taking part in fleet battles so it may also affect whether those people continue to take part in battles that are larger in size & that can't be a good thing for 0.0 warfare etc....
Possibly, this is mostly conjecture though as we don't have a great deal of data or experience with the new client to reinforce this yet.
Me I can run the new client, but the new shiney graphics really don't make me want to play the game any more. It's the game it's self & the things players are able to do that keep me playing the game & I find it really sad that now a lot of really great people are not going to be able to continue playing EVE....
I agree that gameplay > graphics but CCP has to evolve the game's graphics in order to keep pace with newer games. While those that have played the game understand this, many newer players aren't going to look at dated graphics when trying to decide about playing the game and say to themselves, "sweet, the game looks like an Atari 2600 game but boy she sure plays well." You make some good points in your post but all in all the update has a lot to do with marketing and evolving the player experience. The fact that this game could be played on systems that are older than dirt was nice for those that had those systems. Unfortunately though times change and some folks don't like to be forced to change with them.
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Bumfish
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:58:00 -
[210]
i installed premium on my netbook and it runs, it runs like a dog but i can mine and change skills \o/
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